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#1291 sharpshooter

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 02:31 PM

You saw twenty seconds of a new DOCTOR who - historically - is not fully settled into his new body just yet.

Indeed. He did a very good job in the given time - being thrown straight into the deep end in a crucial moment. Regeneration is a traumatic experience, and it's possible he still has aspects of his previous personality and so on. The new persona will well and truly unfold and level out in Season 5.

I thought his opening dialogue was fine, but his first words don’t really mean much anyway. This is his life unfolding. At the moment he’s not thinking, these are my first words; they must be memorable for the viewing public. He's just curious and wants to know what the hell happened. The Doctor never knows what he’s going to get, so his reaction was a purely natural one. Smith had great energy, being excited and just doing whatever came to him. Loved it.

To tell you the truth, I wasn't entirely sold on or used to Tennant until half way through his first Season. But he really grew on me, and it got to the point where I couldn't imagine anyone else in the role. Given time, the same will be said for Smith I'm sure.

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 05:46 PM

I'm really not happy. Not happy at all. Doctor Who is officially dead to me. This past series was the final nail in the coffin for me, as I've come to find that ever since Tennant's second series, I've liked the show less and less until this two-parter came along and pissed all over what used to be one of, if not the best show on telly. It's the writing that's done it for me. I never had a problem with Tennant or any of the other actors in the show, but the writing has produced so many plot holes and embarrassingly poor explanations for key moments in time that just don't fit in with the pre-Eccleston era. I'm so upset that I have to walk away from a show I once loved. RIP Doctor Who, may those who ruined you pay for their crimes...


Isn't now the time to come back, then? Now Davies has left perhaps you'll like it more?


I think the damage is irreparable.

Interesting, as I think DOCTOR WHO is about to really hit its stride.

Steven Moffat is now the head writer/showrunner. He's the writer responsible for arguably the best episodes in the series thus far, and also the only one whose scripts Russell T. Davies said he wouldn't dare touch.

I also think Moffat's ideas of what WHO should be about are more in sync with my own than RTD's were. I summed up the RTD era to a friend the other day as the vision of the Doctor saying, "I'm so, so sorry." It was constantly tragic; the Doctor almost never solving the problem and saving the day on the show supposedly about him. I don't mind a little tragedy or the Doctor losing one on occasion, but a little goes a long way.

Moffat has said that Matt Smith's Doctor is going to be "professional" --which as I see it is his way of politely distancing himself from his predecessor's way of doing things. He also chose Matt Smith, an actor who shattered even his own ideas of what he had planned for the show. That sounds fantastic to me.

Moffat also writes great women characters. They tend to be smart and strong, which I like. Sally Sparrow from the episode "Blink" is exactly the type of companion I think the Doctor should have. (Rose and Martha annoyed the hell out of me. Donna was a surprise by how much I liked her.)

Methinks some of the greatest DOCTOR WHO ever aired lies ahead.

#1293 Zorin Industries

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 06:07 PM

Methinks some of the greatest DOCTOR WHO ever aired lies ahead.

That sort of tallies with what I have been told...

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 08:51 PM

First things first, TORCHWOOD!. No, it's not coming back (well, maybe, but we still haven't received official word). Apparently there's a musical in the works. Something which...Actually I have no idea how to respond to that news. The idea hasn't made any progress, according to that article, but it's still a bit...odd...

And that's all for now, unless we want old rumors meshed into a streamlined thingermajig.

It was constantly tragic; the Doctor almost never solving the problem and saving the day on the show supposedly about him. I don't mind a little tragedy or the Doctor losing one on occasion, but a little goes a long way.


Actually what's interesting is, Ten won most of the time. From Christmas Invasion to Journey's End, Ten saved the day 90% of the time, rather than his companion or a temporary, episode-only companion (like Dickens in the Unquiet Dead). Now, Nine on the other hand...

B) certainly had a tendency to go awry in the RTD era, but by the end Ten had almost always achieved victory.

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 09:00 PM

Okay, I am going to lay my cards on the table here.

I am one of those wild cats who genuinely believes that Claire Bloom's character THE WOMAN is indeed DONNA NOBLE. Why and how else would a part Timelord / part human character be able to communicate on Earth? And why pick WILF?

I would also add - and I will get shot from the turret on this one.... might DONNA actually be THE DOCTOR's Mother? Their relationship was nothing but platonic and DONNA has been one of the few assistants to actually teach the DOCTOR some life lessons (i.e. POMPEII). It would also underline why WILF keeps referencing having sons and why the DOCTOR keeps meeting him AND why DONNA's 'path' and choices (eg. TURN LEFT) were explored in great depth.

Long shot granted... but one I felt at the time...

Be nice.

I think the damage is irreparable.

Thousands of crew members, BBC accountants, ratings compilers, merchandise designers, actors, writers, new audiences, old audiences, global audiences, musicians, location scouts, TV schedulers and creators of subsequent series such as MERLIN, THE DAY OF THE TRIFFIDS, BEING HUMAN and SHERLOCK HOLMES would say otherwise.

The irony is that you will no doubt watch every episode of Matt Smith's inaugural season as DOCTOR WHO and see for yourself just how and why he is being hailed as 'superb' and awe-inspiring.... to be honest, who wouldn't?!


The irony is that I won't. The irony is that I'll read a book or go and play football or something. Doctor Who is behind me.

P.S. I understand the contradictory nature of me saying that yet still visiting the Doctor Who thread, so don't bother pointing that out.

I'm really not happy. Not happy at all. Doctor Who is officially dead to me. This past series was the final nail in the coffin for me, as I've come to find that ever since Tennant's second series, I've liked the show less and less until this two-parter came along and pissed all over what used to be one of, if not the best show on telly. It's the writing that's done it for me. I never had a problem with Tennant or any of the other actors in the show, but the writing has produced so many plot holes and embarrassingly poor explanations for key moments in time that just don't fit in with the pre-Eccleston era. I'm so upset that I have to walk away from a show I once loved. RIP Doctor Who, may those who ruined you pay for their crimes...


Isn't now the time to come back, then? Now Davies has left perhaps you'll like it more?


I think the damage is irreparable.

Interesting, as I think DOCTOR WHO is about to really hit its stride.

Steven Moffat is now the head writer/showrunner. He's the writer responsible for arguably the best episodes in the series thus far, and also the only one whose scripts Russell T. Davies said he wouldn't dare touch.

I also think Moffat's ideas of what WHO should be about are more in sync with my own than RTD's were. I summed up the RTD era to a friend the other day as the vision of the Doctor saying, "I'm so, so sorry." It was constantly tragic; the Doctor almost never solving the problem and saving the day on the show supposedly about him. I don't mind a little tragedy or the Doctor losing one on occasion, but a little goes a long way.

Moffat has said that Matt Smith's Doctor is going to be "professional" --which as I see it is his way of politely distancing himself from his predecessor's way of doing things. He also chose Matt Smith, an actor who shattered even his own ideas of what he had planned for the show. That sounds fantastic to me.

Moffat also writes great women characters. They tend to be smart and strong, which I like. Sally Sparrow from the episode "Blink" is exactly the type of companion I think the Doctor should have. (Rose and Martha annoyed the hell out of me. Donna was a surprise by how much I liked her.)

Methinks some of the greatest DOCTOR WHO ever aired lies ahead.


I hear what you're saying, and I've no doubt that there'll be some good stuff to come, but once something goes so badly stale (for me that is - Doctor who is still popular), I leave it, even if I know in my heart of hearts it's going to get better.

One could argue that if there was a bad entry to a film series (Star Wars Attack of the Clones for example), then why would I not stop watching Star Wars, but my response would be that the good outweighs the bad. For me, (again, I appreciate I'm very much in a minority here) Doctor Who has been going downhill ever since Tennant's second season.

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 09:02 PM

So you won't watch the first episode of Season Five at all then...?

I admire your principles. Seriously.

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 09:35 PM

While I share your sentiments regarding post-Tennant's second season (bar a couple of brilliant episodes), I say give S5 a chance. At the very least give it two full episodes. I say two because generally the first post-regenerative episode isn't exactly a fair judge of the new Doctor.

But if you're that adamant, then don't watch it. There's always a wonderful back catalogue to enjoy if you're ever in the mood for some Who.

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 09:58 PM

Since I hadn't really gotten into the Tennant back-catalogue before this year's specials (small snippets of the Christmas specials not counting, I suppose), I decided to watch one of the ones I'd recorded as part of BBC America's pre-End of Time Who marathon, and since I'd been hearing so much about Dr. River Song for Series 5, I gave Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead a try.

Well... it was really something, and now I'm even more excited for Matt Smith's run. Opening the TARDIS doors with a snap of his fingers; picnics at Asgard; the Singing Towers of Derillium with a new suit and haircut; I can't wait! B)

#1299 Jackanaples

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 10:38 PM

Okay, Conz. We see things entirely differently when it comes to WHO. I thought the first season was pretty dire, the second season offering fewer cringe worthy moments, the third finally approaching epic feel I thought the series should have, etc.

Yes, I'll grant you that the Tennant's Doctor wins way more often than he loses. Maybe I'm misremembering things but it tended to feel more like he won through luck more often than by being vastly more intelligent and cunning than his adversaries.

A good example of what I mean is to be found in the recent THE WATERS OF MARS special. The Doctor knows a disaster is about to happen but says that this is "one of those moments in time that can't be changed" or somesuch, and so spends the majority of the episode saying that he really wishes he could help; but sorry thems the breaks.

Until he decides that you know what, who makes the rules anyway? and he can help. Even then it's a bit late, and when all's said and done the leader of the Mars project is so worried that her granddaughter won't grow up to the first human astronaut to develop and use FTL travel or what have you if her gran is still breathing... that she chastises the Doctor for acting like a god and commits suicide.

That to me is idiotic. Who's to say the granddaughter wouldn't grow up to achieve even greater things if her grandmother weren't there to encourage her on the journey? What's worse is that after this occurs the Doctor curses himself for meddling and wonders about his own morality, if he's getting too powerful, etc. instead of thinking that Lindsey Duncan's character was a sad case like any sensible person would.

To me, I think it's out of character for the Doctor to do this. He's by nature a rebel. Faced with a dilemma that some authority says can't be altered or gotten around, the Doctor is the one who uses logic and creativity and finds a solution where others find an insurmountable wall.

The Doctor is basically Sherlock Holmes and Richard Feynman combined. He's always the smartest man in the room, with a mind like a spiral staircase in twelve dimensions. If he isn't then the audience (and he) should be suitably impressed. He's faced down aliens who thought they were gods and defeated intergalactic warlords with nothing so much as a piece of fruit.

I also hated the two confrontations with the Master. While I like John Simm's performance immensely, again we see the Doctor offering this mass murderer and villain mercy or voicing a desire to help him and travel the galaxy together. Please! He's been an out and out bastard! Outwit and humiliate him horribly.

While I'm on it, I hope we've seen the end of the whole "Doctor as Messiah" thing.

By the way, does anyone know how many episodes Moffat is writing for season 5 or who the other writers are? Maybe the titles of the episodes?

Edited by Jackanaples, 05 January 2010 - 10:37 PM.


#1300 Mr. Blofeld

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 11:26 PM

The first episode of Series 5 is titled The Eleventh Hour, which is rather appropriate, methinks... B)

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 11:59 PM

But if you're that adamant, then don't watch it. There's always a wonderful back catalogue to enjoy if you're ever in the mood for some Who.


You're absolutely right. It's a show with a great history, and I can always go back and treat myself to some Pertwee or the Baker boys!

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 12:01 AM

The first episode of Series 5 is titled The Eleventh Hour, which is rather appropriate, methinks... B)


Yeah, this has been around for a while, now.

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 12:22 AM

The first episode of Series 5 is titled The Eleventh Hour, which is rather appropriate, methinks... B)


Did they finally announce it as official? Otherwise, that rumor is very old hat indeed.

And stuff:

DR WHO
Series V, 2 Episodes Current


That is straight from The Agency page for Gareth Roberts.

So Moffat is writing 6 episodes this season. Gareth Roberts is writing two. Richard Curtis is writing an episode. Mark Gatiss is very probably writing at least one episode, although I don't remember if I've read confirmation anywhere. So, that's, 10/13 episodes accounted for. I wonder who the other three for the regular season (assuming it's another 13 episode season) will be. There are of course the rumors of Philip Pullman (awesome as that would be, I don't see it happening) and the rumors of Simon Nye and David Renwick (not sure how much stock I'd place in either of those rumors). Personally I'm hoping Paul Cornell is back at some point. If not this season, then certainly next. Wouldn't mind James Moran coming back, either. Matt Jones I thought did stellar work as well, although his not having been back since S2 does make me a little bit hesitant to think he would be involved with S5 (though it would be great).

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 04:41 AM

Gareth Roberts wrote both "The Shakespeare Code" and "The Unicorn and the Wasp"; both episodes that I remember enjoying, so that's good news. Though I had problems with Richard Curtis' THE BOAT THAT ROCKED, on the whole I love his movies (and BLACKADDER is probably my all-time favorite sitcom), so again I like that he's writing for WHO. However, the rumor/announcement that the script Stephen Fry wrote a few seasons ago may finally get filmed as part of season 5 trumps all of that.

What I find really interesting is that the story in the link claims to quote some of Fry's dialogue for the episode... and it genuinely reads like it could have been written by him. Anyway, I hope it's true.

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 10:16 AM

What I find really interesting is that the story in the link claims to quote some of Fry's dialogue for the episode... and it genuinely reads like it could have been written by him. Anyway, I hope it's true.


Not sure I quite know how to break this to you... that's a joke story.

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 12:18 PM

I could have sworn I'd posted these, but obviously not -

The Master's Facebook Page

The Doctor's Facebook Page

#1307 DamnCoffee

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 12:26 PM

LMFAO!

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 01:04 PM

They are brilliant, aren't they? B)

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 01:09 PM

They are! I'd love to see more. xD


Wilfred Mott So I may of accidently shut myself in a box. This isn't a problem is it?
7 Hours Ago Comment Like See Wall-to-Wall

The Master likes this.

The Doctor ...
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LMFAO!

#1310 sharpshooter

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 01:22 PM

Hilarious stuff. "Whoops! Crashing! brb" B)

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 01:35 PM

LMFAO

The Master can see his own skull wtf?

The Doctor please let me help, you're burning up you're own life force!

The Master ...whatevs. ooooh my hands are like a jetpack!

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 02:00 PM

So Moffat is writing 6 episodes this season. Gareth Roberts is writing two. Richard Curtis is writing an episode. Mark Gatiss is very probably writing at least one episode, although I don't remember if I've read confirmation anywhere. So, that's, 10/13 episodes accounted for. I wonder who the other three for the regular season (assuming it's another 13 episode season) will be. There are of course the rumors of Philip Pullman (awesome as that would be, I don't see it happening) and the rumors of Simon Nye and David Renwick (not sure how much stock I'd place in either of those rumors). Personally I'm hoping Paul Cornell is back at some point. If not this season, then certainly next. Wouldn't mind James Moran coming back, either. Matt Jones I thought did stellar work as well, although his not having been back since S2 does make me a little bit hesitant to think he would be involved with S5 (though it would be great).

Toby Whithouse has written the 'Vampires in Venice' episode.

Amanda Coe, Jack Thorne and Neil Gaiman have all had scripts commissioned for the new series, but not all of them are going to go into production this time around.

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 05:48 PM

I don't think the Gaiman script has been confirmed yet. I believe he'll write an episode for the series --but he's usually so busy that he needs a lot of lead time, so I was thinking his episode would be for Season 6. I'll be delighted when it appears though.

Fry is also busy, but he definitely was commissioned already for one a few years ago. Figured it might be done and waiting in the wings.

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 07:39 PM

Who's this down here, then?

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 08:06 PM

Who's this down here, then?

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GERONIMO!!! B)

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 08:26 PM

So Moffat is writing 6 episodes this season. Gareth Roberts is writing two. Richard Curtis is writing an episode. Mark Gatiss is very probably writing at least one episode, although I don't remember if I've read confirmation anywhere. So, that's, 10/13 episodes accounted for. I wonder who the other three for the regular season (assuming it's another 13 episode season) will be. There are of course the rumors of Philip Pullman (awesome as that would be, I don't see it happening) and the rumors of Simon Nye and David Renwick (not sure how much stock I'd place in either of those rumors). Personally I'm hoping Paul Cornell is back at some point. If not this season, then certainly next. Wouldn't mind James Moran coming back, either. Matt Jones I thought did stellar work as well, although his not having been back since S2 does make me a little bit hesitant to think he would be involved with S5 (though it would be great).

Toby Whithouse has written the 'Vampires in Venice' episode.

Amanda Coe, Jack Thorne and Neil Gaiman have all had scripts commissioned for the new series, but not all of them are going to go into production this time around.


As I understand it Gaiman completely denied the Doctor Who rumors. No idea who the others are, although Whithouse is sounding familiar.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAnyway, filming shiz:

Pictures, lots and lots of pictures of today's filming. And this gives you a better look at Smith. Looks like he's got alternating red/blue undershirts and bowties.

And a video:


Looks like it might be the Van Gogh episode. Might be. See here and here.

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 08:29 PM

Gaiman has sort of half-said that an announcement is coming soon..

Ooh look; here's Doctor Who:

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 08:36 PM

Can't resist posting this. Blah, it won't let me, so here

Oh, and here's the cover of the latest issue of DWM:
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Posted 06 January 2010 - 08:55 PM

Oh I'm sure Gaiman is going to write an episode. I just kind of figured it would appear next year rather than this year. I'll be very happy if it appears this year though.

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 09:01 PM

I have mixed feelings about a Gaiman episode. His works are great...but his works are also incredibly WTF. I could see it being a fantastic episode, maybe even one of my favorites, or I could it see it being so massively ZOMGWTFAUXBBQSAUCE I abhor it. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see, assuming it happens. After all, even if he is writing an episode, there is no guarantee it will be made.