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[marktmurphy]

Is David Tennant filming a movie in Southern California or something? I have seen him twice in person, during the last month. First I saw him in one of the eating areas at Universal Studios. A week later, I saw him at an Italian restaurant at the Grove, a shopping center located next door to Farmer's Market in Los Angeles.

He's doing a pilot for a series called 'Rex is not your Lawyer'. He's Rex, natch.

[Peaceful]

'ere!

What do you make of this then?

http://www.tvrage.co...05/episode_list

[Tybre]

'ere!

What do you make of this then?

http://www.tvrage.co...05/episode_list

Now see, it makes much more sense to me to call that Crash of the Byzantium, as not so fantastic a title as that is, than to somehow include the Weeping Angels with River Song when the Byzantium goes down. Of course it's possible all of these titles between both lists are wrong.

[Peaceful]

Well they both say the 1st eps is THE ELVENTH HOUR which I think is fantastic, brilliant and appropriate.

Ya gotta love it

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[DamnCoffee]

Just seen some new footage from End Of Time. It was in the 'coming up' trailer on Children In Need.

It involved The Doctor standing infront of the TARDIS wearing a Sumbrero and a Lia. It was either in snow, or outside of a quarry. It Looks like The Doctor is enjoying his last days to the fullest. Expect more from me soon, 'cause an exclusive 2 scenes are coming up later on in the show.

[Tybre]

Just seen some new footage from End Of Time. It was in the 'coming up' trailer on Children In Need.

It involved The Doctor standing infront of the TARDIS wearing a Sumbrero and a Lia. It was either in snow, or outside of a quarry. It Looks like The Doctor is enjoying his last days to the fullest. Expect more from me soon, 'cause an exclusive 2 scenes are coming up later on in the show.

Yeah, I saw the photo this morning. Doctor in full-on summer vacation gear. Bit of an odd way to start the episode, especially after, y'know.

[DamnCoffee]

Hmm. Interesting.

Actually, I think we're seeing the first two scenes AFTER the opening titles. So I don't think this will be the start.

[DamnCoffee]

Here it is guys! An exclusive scene from The End Of Time!

[Sniperscope]

I thought WATERS OF MARS was a very good episode. If I was a kid I think I would have found it pretty scary stuff!
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DON'T READ THIS IF YOU'VE NOT SEEN WATERS OF MARS!! SPOILERS!!
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OK Gripes first - Adelaide I found to be quite insufferable; her indignation at the Doc's "little people" line is more than a little hypocritical considering the b**chfaced manner in which she treated her staff throughout the first half of the ep. - although of course the events she had witnessed could have changed her...
Adelaide's easy acceptance of everything the Doctor tells her about her death seems to gel not one whit with her tough, no compromising attitude. Having said that she is more than a little bipolar. One minute she's got a gun on the Doctor, the next she's handing him his space suit and saying bon voyage! huh? Security? Adelaide shooting herself is simply based on the Doctor telling her a bit of babble. Hardly logical, despite what had occurred on Mars and achieved without Adelaide getting actual empirical verification on anything (that we see at any rate). One minute she's defying the Doctor's prognosis on her fate with a steely determination to survive and the next she's trying to blow the base up at the point of victory and then finally topping herself!
"Bowie Base" - naff pop culture reference - it's 2050 something ffs!
Probably the only other thing I disliked was the Doctor's over theatrics when seeing the ood and hamming "Is this death?" like some kind of Lawrence Olivier parody. (In this scene the ood is virtually operating as The Watcher - compare the 4th Doctor's stoicism in the face of it.) The 10th Doctor's vainglorious personal obsession with himself is becoming so reflexive of fandom's obsession with David Tennant that I really wonder what RTD will leave us with... his "little people" line regardless of whether or not it was said in a moment of power bloodrush is one of the most repellant things I've ever heard the Doctor say and sums up the intermittent distaste I have had for the 10th Doctor over the last two years.

These points aside, I found the rest of the episode to be compelling viewing. It took the best tropes of the Troughton era and reworked them marvellously. We have the classic multinational base under siege where one by one they are picked off and we have an innocuous thing being presented as a deadly killer. DW has always been terrific at making the known unknown and in this instance water being the culprit is a great idea. I think around the interweb the Gadget robot has been receiving a bit of stick but I thought it was a good mood lifter for what was otherwise a pretty grim story and I was extremely impressed with the acting, sets and effects throughout. Sure, the story was more than a little similar to TIP/SATAN PIT but as that was one of the best episodes in the series so far then it can't harm to re-jigg it a bit. The real plus for this episode was the Doctor's moral dilemma. Although I have my doubts about him actually giving away so much to the doomed crew (it raises all sorts of questions regarding free-will versus "fitting" your behaviour to what you've been told) but it did draw into sharp focus what time travel is potentially all about. Did like those shots of the Doctor's skull-like face in the spacesuit when he's leaving the base - did anyone else think he looked liked Death itself?! Very clever.

End of Time preview didn't do much for me but I'm wondering if the Doctor's tampering with a "fixed" historical moment is going to throw the whole universe out of whack hence this is why The Master is alive again (oh no not more John Simms doing Jack Nicholson doing The Joker) and probably the Time Lords will be back too because of it. This starts to get me wondering about the 11th Doctor. I wonder if the Time Lords catch up with the Doctor and give him the War Games treatment - considering that the new TARDIS pictures look like the original I wonder if the 10th Doctor is de-regenerated - sort of rebooted back to the beginning by the Time Lords, but in a universe that has been altered by his choices in WOM...

Edited by Sniperscope, 21 November 2009 - 12:45 AM.

[Peaceful]

So he says that he got married to Queen Bess (Elizabeth I) indicating that she can no longer be know as "The Virgin Queen"

IS THAT IT ?!?!?! THAT'S WHY HE'S HER SWORN ENEMY ?!?!?!

"Ooops we for got about that, let's just chuck in a quick line about ... oh I don't know ... hmmmm ... Elizabeth the 1st ... Good ol' Lizzy ... Virgin Que... HAH! I'VE GOT IT !!!"

Lame and disappointed

But funny tee hee

lol

Pfod

[DamnCoffee]

LMAO! I just got that as well!

This is what I reckon happened, regarding the end of the 10th Doctors story arc..

Spoiler

The Doctor has messed with time, and one small event has changed more than what he thought. The darkness is coming again, the Master didn't die, the Timelords survived, and the Daleks are able to teturn (just for Series 5). Donna is going to remember who The Doctor is...

In the clip, the Ood said "He is returning. They are returning...", and I think he's refferring to the Doctor-Donna, as well as The Master. The Ood are bringing about their reunion to defeat The Master.

I have the feeling that the Time War will become undone, allowing the Time Lords to make another reappearance. Plus, I think people will start to remember 'The year that never was.", think about it, "On the final days of planet earth, everyone has bad dreams..."

[Sniperscope]

This is what I reckon happened...

Spoiler

The Doctor has messed with time, and one small event has changed more than what he thought. The darkness is coming again, the Master didn't die, the Timelords survived, and the Daleks are able to teturn (just for Series 5). Donna is going to remember who The Doctor is...

In the clip, the Ood said "He is returning. They are returning...", and I think he's refferring to the Doctor-Donna, as well as The Master. The Ood are bringing about their reunion to defeat The Master.

I have the feeling that the Time War will become undone, allowing the Time Lords to make another reappearance. Plus, I think people will start to remember 'The year that never was.", think about it, "On the final days of planet earth, everyone has bad dreams..."

Yep - pretty much what I was thinking too.

So he says that he got married to Queen Bess (Elizabeth I) indicating that she can no longer be know as "The Virgin Queen"

IS THAT IT ?!?!?! THAT'S WHY HE'S HER SWORN ENEMY ?!?!?!

"Ooops we for got about that, let's just chuck in a quick line about ... oh I don't know ... hmmmm ... Elizabeth the 1st ... Good ol' Lizzy ... Virgin Que... HAH! I'VE GOT IT !!!"

Lame and disappointed

But funny tee hee

lol

Pfod

Yeah - bit lame. Has anyone else noted how much DW has given itself over to magic, mysticism, dreams and visions rather than science etc. these days. Even Adelaide's relationship with the Doctor in WOM verged on the situation of a person consulting a clairvoyant since he had provided no actual evidence of what he was saying was not the demented rantings of a (admittedly sincere and heartfelt) looney! Not necessarily complaining about it but it's becoming quite obvious really.

Edited by Sniperscope, 21 November 2009 - 12:30 AM.

[DamnCoffee]

Which leaves the Doctor with a dilemma...

Should he risk it and carry on, and try to put everything right but not completely. Or should he sacrifice himself, Donna and The Timelords, to save the universe...

[Sniperscope]

Which leaves the Doctor with a dilemma...

Should he risk it and carry on, and try to put everything right but not completely. Or should he sacrifice himself, Donna and The Timelords, to save the universe...

I think you've answered that yourself Mharkin! Considering the hype around the regeneration I would imagine the latter!

[DamnCoffee]

Exactly. We'll know which one he'll pick in the end. But I really loved how the new series isn't making the Doctor out to be just a hero. I admire what Russell T Davies is doing with 10. He's more on an ant-hero than anything else.

[Sniperscope]

Exactly. We'll know which one he'll pick in the end. But I really loved how the new series isn't making the Doctor out to be just a hero. I admire what Russell T Davies is doing with 10. He's more on an ant-hero than anything else.

you're quite right - that's certainly the way the character is going - if that's entirely a good thing I'm not sure. Colin Baker's Doctor was a bit of an anti-hero too but there was a (misguided in my view) backlash against him (rather than his stories) which lead ultimately to the cancellation of the show! Certainly I could not stomach that "little people" line at all in WOM which is unprecedented in the show's history and his swagger in the above clip left me more than a little cold (no pun intended!). Of course in both instances I am supposed to feel this way and that's a tribute to RTD's writing and Tennant's acting. The locking of the TARDIS gag I think is a deliberate attempt to show us how childish and vain this Doctor has become and, (cue deep voice) as with all tragedies, it is his hubris that will destroy him! *dah dah duuuum!*

Edited by Sniperscope, 21 November 2009 - 12:42 AM.

[DamnCoffee]

I really enjoyed the TARDIS gag. It amused me that the Ood didn't say anything and just started coldly at him. It's a great way of showing how childish he's become though, I agree completely.

[DamnCoffee]

OH!

Doctor Who: The Complete Specials - Now Available to Pre-Order.

I have a feeling that the Four Knocks are..

Spoiler

Queen Bess' head knocking against the headboard while they were shagging.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Exactly. We'll know which one he'll pick in the end. But I really loved how the new series isn't making the Doctor out to be just a hero. I admire what Russell T Davies is doing with 10. He's more on an ant-hero than anything else.

Really? I felt he was more of a prick than anything else! Bring on Matt Smith, is what I say!

[Peaceful]

OH!

Doctor Who: The Complete Specials - Now Available to Pre-Order.

I have a feeling that the Four Knocks are..

Spoiler

Queen Bess' head knocking against the headboard while they were shagging.

THAT'S NAUGHTY !
but I like it

[Tybre]

Exactly. We'll know which one he'll pick in the end. But I really loved how the new series isn't making the Doctor out to be just a hero. I admire what Russell T Davies is doing with 10. He's more on an ant-hero than anything else.

Really? I felt he was more of a prick than anything else! Bring on Matt Smith, is what I say!

A prick? Not really, I don't think. I'd like to see you go through the same situation and still turn out mister hippity-hoppity...hold on, that's Peter Cottontail. Point is, the turn is only natural. And frankly I found it brilliant.

[Peaceful]

LMAO! I just got that as well!

This is what I reckon happened, regarding the end of the 10th Doctors story arc..

Spoiler

The Doctor has messed with time, and one small event has changed more than what he thought. The darkness is coming again, the Master didn't die, the Timelords survived, and the Daleks are able to teturn (just for Series 5). Donna is going to remember who The Doctor is...

In the clip, the Ood said "He is returning. They are returning...", and I think he's refferring to the Doctor-Donna, as well as The Master. The Ood are bringing about their reunion to defeat The Master.

I have the feeling that the Time War will become undone, allowing the Time Lords to make another reappearance. Plus, I think people will start to remember 'The year that never was.", think about it, "On the final days of planet earth, everyone has bad dreams..."

Yes I think so to.
Nuff said
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[Sniperscope]

Exactly. We'll know which one he'll pick in the end. But I really loved how the new series isn't making the Doctor out to be just a hero. I admire what Russell T Davies is doing with 10. He's more on an ant-hero than anything else.

Really? I felt he was more of a prick than anything else! Bring on Matt Smith, is what I say!

I wouldn't entirely disagree with you there Mr Blofeld.
I've been saying for a while that Doctor 10's character is starting to leave a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. It's all opinions of course but he's been more than a bit arrogant and smarmy at the same time in the last two years. Some people like it, I find it a bit obnoxious.
The biggest problem I have is RTD making the Doctor so damned self-obsessed - it's really a sickening reflection of this ME, ME, ME world we live in. When Doctor 6 came along with pompous self-importance and a whining what-about-me persona he was roundly panned. Doctor 10 is becoming the same but with more of a nod to the trite teen angst of say Angel or (ugh!) Edward Cullen.

[Tybre]

Cullen? Really? That's taking things a bit too far, I'd say. Personally I still enjoy Doctor number 10 immensely, even if I do prefer other Doctors to him and I do think for most of series 3 and a bit in series 4 he was more of a caricature than a character. Still, Tennant's always good, even when the writing is at its worst. And there are delightful episodes sprinkled throughout even the low point of his tenure. I say bring on Thursday, then kindly skip square ahead to Christmas.

[Sniperscope]

Cullen? Really? That's taking things a bit too far, I'd say. Personally I still enjoy Doctor number 10 immensely, even if I do prefer other Doctors to him and I do think for most of series 3 and a bit in series 4 he was more of a caricature than a character. Still, Tennant's always good, even when the writing is at its worst. And there are delightful episodes sprinkled throughout even the low point of his tenure. I say bring on Thursday, then kindly skip square ahead to Christmas.

LOL - I probably am going a bit far but I think you know what i mean - it's that moping, woe is me kind of thing than fangirls seem to go gaga about that does zero for me.
But That's a true observation about caricature over character... very very true. Tennant is good I'll grant you, but I wish directors would reign in some of his excesses and tell him to stop enunciating "shhh" when he should being saying "s" - did you see the EOT excerpt? He was "shummoned" in the "shhnow" apparently! LOL that's what happens I suppose when a scot is being a mockney.

Edited by Sniperscope, 21 November 2009 - 02:13 AM.

[Tybre]

Meh, different tastes I s'pose. Personally I find the Sixth Doctor more insufferable than the Tenth. Much more so. The Tenth, for the most part, is...what's a good analogy I could use? Rock star? No, not really. Tenth is a bit...I mean yeah he's still a touch arrogant and "all about me" but it's usually done in a more playful sort of way, whereas Six usually comes across as just a bit of an . Oh and while we're on the subject of directors, I do hope Graeme Harper, Euros Lyn, and James Strong stay on after RTD & Co go. Three best directors of the new series, I think.

And now for something sort-of different,

Russell T. Davies has said in interviews that Steven Moffat will write all of Matt Smith lines as the Doctor in the closing minutes.

Perhaps baseless rumor. Perhaps old news. Perhaps irrelevant. But there it is.

[Sniperscope]

Meh, different tastes I s'pose. Personally I find the Sixth Doctor more insufferable than the Tenth. Much more so. The Tenth, for the most part, is...what's a good analogy I could use? Rock star? No, not really. Tenth is a bit...I mean yeah he's still a touch arrogant and "all about me" but it's usually done in a more playful sort of way, whereas Six usually comes across as just a bit of an . Oh and while we're on the subject of directors, I do hope Graeme Harper, Euros Lyn, and James Strong stay on after RTD & Co go. Three best directors of the new series, I think.

Quite true - I think Doctor 6 has come very much into his own in The Big Finish audios, but truthfully I have always had a bit of a soft spot for him - it was during his tenure that I became a fan in the truest (or should that be obsessive?) sense of the word even though he was not my "first" Doctor.
Interesting point about the directors. All of those you have listed have been excellent but I wonder if Moffat will try to make a break from them in order to achieve his own look and style for the show to make it more distinct from the RTD era.

Edited by Sniperscope, 21 November 2009 - 02:43 AM.

[DamnCoffee]

Nothing too special, just a quick video I threw together...

[Tybre]

More filming photos

http://www.doctorwho...-filming-091120
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alun_vega

Apparently they were doing more work back at Llandaff. Can't wait for the new season

[sharpshooter]

I admire what Russell T Davies is doing with 10. He's more on an ant-hero than anything else.

More of an anti-hero I'd say.

I felt he was more of a prick than anything else! Bring on Matt Smith, is what I say!

I hate this period of a series or film. The current actor is about to leave, and certain people feel the need to ditch them and slag them off. I'm looking forward to Smith as much as anyone, but come on, Tennant must be praised for his contribution. He was absolutely brilliant in Waters of Mars.