What "credentials" are you referring to here? Because that is a rather idiotic comment...A black Doctor - Joseph - in the inaugural year of the world's first black President?
Total stunt - casting.
So, it'll definately happen, considering the credentials of the crew making the series in Cardiff and at the Beeb.
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#331
Posted 01 December 2008 - 10:01 AM
#332
Posted 01 December 2008 - 10:10 AM
What "credentials" are you referring to here? Because that is a rather idiotic comment...A black Doctor - Joseph - in the inaugural year of the world's first black President?
Total stunt - casting.
So, it'll definately happen, considering the credentials of the crew making the series in Cardiff and at the Beeb.
Good old Zorin, never slow with the personal insult. Your superiority complex knows no end.
But to educate you into what I meant...
I was refering to issues like the "supposed" regeneneration of Tennant at the end of the second last episode of the last series, exploiting the title (and Tennant's leaving) by naming the Christmas episode "The Next Doctor" when the episode is extremely unlikely to have anything to do with who will be the next Doctor. Both of these - while brilliant marketing - would indicate the opportunism of the Cardiff team. And I would not put it past them - with these "credentials" to exploit the idea of a black Doctor FOR THE FIRST TIME. A coincidence, perhaps?
Ditto the "creative" minds at the BBC. But then, that's a train your riding yourself, isn't it, Mark?
#333
Posted 01 December 2008 - 10:29 AM
There was no personal insult intended I'm afraid. I was just questioning your comments about BBC Wales and the DOCTOR WHO team who have done a sterling job in reviving the franchise (and not one I had any real interest in), reviving the media industry in Cardiff, reviving the agendas of BBC ONE's Saturday night schedule which needed saving from endless Ian Wright vehicles and have now inadvertently spawned ROBIN HOOD, MERLIN and new show SUPERPOWERS which will and have got kids watching TV telling good stories again. The machinations of the 2008 Christmas special was written last year and filmed in the first part of this year - long before David Tennent announced his departure. THE NEXT DOCTOR is a deliberate McGuffin. Of course it is there to stoke interest. This is a television show that needs viewers. It is also a show that needs and uses cliffhangers. Why wouldn't it? So a not-regeneration had the nation gripped for a week before the real plot was revealed. I think the very fact that that story tangent was kept a secret in this day and age to be a stunning piece of television production and packaging.What "credentials" are you referring to here? Because that is a rather idiotic comment...A black Doctor - Joseph - in the inaugural year of the world's first black President?
Total stunt - casting.
So, it'll definately happen, considering the credentials of the crew making the series in Cardiff and at the Beeb.
Good old Zorin, never slow with the personal insult. Your superiority complex knows no end.
But to educate you into what I meant...
I was refering to issues like the "supposed" regeneneration of Tennant at the end of the second last episode of the last series, exploiting the title (and Tennant's leaving) by naming the Christmas episode "The Next Doctor" when the episode is extremely unlikely to have anything to do with who will be the next Doctor. Both of these - while brilliant marketing - would indicate the opportunism of the Cardiff team. And I would not put it past them - with these "credentials" to exploit the idea of a black Doctor FOR THE FIRST TIME. A coincidence, perhaps?
Ditto the "creative" minds at the BBC. But then, that's a train your riding yourself, isn't it, Mark?
As for the last comment, can you explain that one off board? It would be much appreciated. I hope the request is not deemed as "riding a train" or having a "superiority complex'.
#334
Posted 01 December 2008 - 10:41 AM
There was no personal insult intended I'm afraid. I was just questioning your comments about BBC Wales and the DOCTOR WHO team who have done a sterling job in reviving the franchise (and not one I had any real interest in), reviving the media industry in Cardiff, reviving the agendas of BBC ONE's Saturday night schedule which needed saving from endless Ian Wright vehicles and have now inadvertently spawned ROBIN HOOD, MERLIN and new show SUPERPOWERS which will and have got kids watching TV telling good stories again. The machinations of the 2008 Christmas special was written last year and filmed in the first part of this year - long before David Tennent announced his departure. THE NEXT DOCTOR is a deliberate McGuffin. Of course it is there to stoke interest. This is a television show that needs viewers. It is also a show that needs and uses cliffhangers. Why wouldn't it? So a not-regeneration had the nation gripped for a week before the real plot was revealed. I think the very fact that that story tangent was kept a secret in this day and age to be a stunning piece of television production and packaging.What "credentials" are you referring to here? Because that is a rather idiotic comment...A black Doctor - Joseph - in the inaugural year of the world's first black President?
Total stunt - casting.
So, it'll definately happen, considering the credentials of the crew making the series in Cardiff and at the Beeb.
Good old Zorin, never slow with the personal insult. Your superiority complex knows no end.
But to educate you into what I meant...
I was refering to issues like the "supposed" regeneneration of Tennant at the end of the second last episode of the last series, exploiting the title (and Tennant's leaving) by naming the Christmas episode "The Next Doctor" when the episode is extremely unlikely to have anything to do with who will be the next Doctor. Both of these - while brilliant marketing - would indicate the opportunism of the Cardiff team. And I would not put it past them - with these "credentials" to exploit the idea of a black Doctor FOR THE FIRST TIME. A coincidence, perhaps?
Ditto the "creative" minds at the BBC. But then, that's a train your riding yourself, isn't it, Mark?
As for the last comment, can you explain that one off board? It would be much appreciated. I hope the request is not deemed as "riding a train" or having a "superiority complex'.
I find it interesting you back track on what might consititute a personal insult. You call someone comments "idiotic" and then state you were merely questioning my comments. Why not ask what I meant without the use of the word idiotic! BECAUSE I agree 100% with you remarks about what the Cardiff team have achieved with Who, and you will notice, I originally stated how brilliant marketing the two examples were I'd given!
I believe, however, casting a black Doctor now involves two much bandwagon jumping, and is not desperately creative. After Eccleston, sure. But, sadly, I wouldn't put it past the Cardiff boys. Nor the Beeb to sanction it.
But hey, you'd rather not find that out but would prefer to call my comments "idiotic".
And what's there to take off the board?
#335
Posted 01 December 2008 - 11:56 AM
A black Doctor - Joseph - in the inaugural year of the world's first black President?
Total stunt - casting.
So, it'll definately happen, considering the credentials of the crew making the series in Cardiff and at the Beeb.
So bloody unimaginative.
Why do we resent success so in this country, I wonder...?
#336
Posted 01 December 2008 - 12:21 PM
I didn't know you were a WHO fan, PD!This is a shame. I was hoping he would have a few more years left in the role.
Ya. Eccleston was only ever going to do one series. They needed a "well known enough" actor to get the series launched again. I get the feeling he's not that into having played the Doctor. One clue in being that he won't do any conventions (YET!). But he'll appear on the Sarah Silverman Program as Dr. Lazer Rage (LOL).Yeah, I seem to remember that Tennant was signed just before Eggelston started filming the new series.
I know they have started discussing casting. Maybe not auditioning but definitely looking for candidate ideas. I actually was thinking I would like to see an older Doctor again... like Alan Rickman! But, being in his 60s he's "just that bit too old now - the schedule would kill him!" So a young Doctor... Jim Sturgess I think would be great though he might be considered too young, still great. Toby Stephens maybe.Most of the actors being mentioned in the press are recognisable faces/names and, according to RTD recently, they haven't even started casting yet.
Anywho... I'm so excited for Steven Moffat and his new title of head writer. I really believe he will evolve the show fantastically.
#337
Posted 01 December 2008 - 12:32 PM
There was no personal insult intended I'm afraid. I was just questioning your comments about BBC Wales and the DOCTOR WHO team who have done a sterling job in reviving the franchise (and not one I had any real interest in), reviving the media industry in Cardiff, reviving the agendas of BBC ONE's Saturday night schedule which needed saving from endless Ian Wright vehicles and have now inadvertently spawned ROBIN HOOD, MERLIN and new show SUPERPOWERS which will and have got kids watching TV telling good stories again. The machinations of the 2008 Christmas special was written last year and filmed in the first part of this year - long before David Tennent announced his departure. THE NEXT DOCTOR is a deliberate McGuffin. Of course it is there to stoke interest. This is a television show that needs viewers. It is also a show that needs and uses cliffhangers. Why wouldn't it? So a not-regeneration had the nation gripped for a week before the real plot was revealed. I think the very fact that that story tangent was kept a secret in this day and age to be a stunning piece of television production and packaging.What "credentials" are you referring to here? Because that is a rather idiotic comment...A black Doctor - Joseph - in the inaugural year of the world's first black President?
Total stunt - casting.
So, it'll definately happen, considering the credentials of the crew making the series in Cardiff and at the Beeb.
Good old Zorin, never slow with the personal insult. Your superiority complex knows no end.
But to educate you into what I meant...
I was refering to issues like the "supposed" regeneneration of Tennant at the end of the second last episode of the last series, exploiting the title (and Tennant's leaving) by naming the Christmas episode "The Next Doctor" when the episode is extremely unlikely to have anything to do with who will be the next Doctor. Both of these - while brilliant marketing - would indicate the opportunism of the Cardiff team. And I would not put it past them - with these "credentials" to exploit the idea of a black Doctor FOR THE FIRST TIME. A coincidence, perhaps?
Ditto the "creative" minds at the BBC. But then, that's a train your riding yourself, isn't it, Mark?
As for the last comment, can you explain that one off board? It would be much appreciated. I hope the request is not deemed as "riding a train" or having a "superiority complex'.
I find it interesting you back track on what might consititute a personal insult. You call someone comments "idiotic" and then state you were merely questioning my comments. Why not ask what I meant without the use of the word idiotic! BECAUSE I agree 100% with you remarks about what the Cardiff team have achieved with Who, and you will notice, I originally stated how brilliant marketing the two examples were I'd given!
I believe, however, casting a black Doctor now involves two much bandwagon jumping, and is not desperately creative. After Eccleston, sure. But, sadly, I wouldn't put it past the Cardiff boys. Nor the Beeb to sanction it.
It's actually got nothing to do with the "Beeb" as you call them. It is a decision taken by Julie Gardner, Stephen Moffat and BBC Wales.
As for the "back tracking", I would remind you that it was your comments that cited the BBC team behind DOCTOR WHO as lacking "credentials" if they were to cast - heavens above - a black man in a show that is theirs to do with what they want. Your argument is limited if you slam BBC Cardiff in one statement then agree with me when I say why you are wrong.
#338
Posted 01 December 2008 - 12:48 PM
It's actually got nothing to do with the "Beeb" as you call them. It is a decision taken by Julie Gardner, Stephen Moffat and BBC Wales.
As for the "back tracking", I would remind you that it was your comments that cited the BBC team behind DOCTOR WHO as lacking "credentials" if they were to cast - heavens above - a black man in a show that is theirs to do with what they want. Your argument is limited if you slam BBC Cardiff in one statement then agree with me when I say why you are wrong.
Zorin, I never questioned the quality of the Cardiff teams "credentials" - rather the expedient opportunism evident at times in those "credentials".
I maintain, that casting a black lead now does not have the courage that it would have had three years ago.
I bow to your knowledge on the lack of influence by BBC London.
PS - why "heavens above"?
#339
Posted 01 December 2008 - 12:53 PM
#340
Posted 01 December 2008 - 12:58 PM
It's actually got nothing to do with the "Beeb" as you call them. It is a decision taken by Julie Gardner, Stephen Moffat and BBC Wales.
As for the "back tracking", I would remind you that it was your comments that cited the BBC team behind DOCTOR WHO as lacking "credentials" if they were to cast - heavens above - a black man in a show that is theirs to do with what they want. Your argument is limited if you slam BBC Cardiff in one statement then agree with me when I say why you are wrong.
Zorin, I never questioned the quality of the Cardiff teams "credentials" - rather the expedient opportunism evident at times in those "credentials".
I maintain, that casting a black lead now does not have the courage that it would have had three years ago.
I bow to your knowledge on the lack of influence by BBC London.
PS - why "heavens above"?
I will retract the "heavens above". Apologies if it gave the wrong impression.
"Bow" to whatever you want. For the record, I am not adding my thoughts on CBN for anyone's "knowledge".
#341
Posted 01 December 2008 - 01:47 PM
Total what tasting?Total stunt - casting.
#342
Posted 03 December 2008 - 09:05 AM
Total what tasting?Total stunt - casting.
Doesn't quite work, but nice try.
#343
Posted 03 December 2008 - 09:20 AM
Gotta be Nigel Havers. Definitely
I think I'd prefer someone who wasn't quite so... arboreal...?
Besides, haven't they now effectively ruled out any actor over the age of 40 because of the physical demands of the role?
#344
Posted 03 December 2008 - 09:44 AM
#345
Posted 03 December 2008 - 10:32 AM
No. You're right. I was nothing but a cupid stunt. Now THAT works....!Gotta be Nigel Havers. Definitely
Total what tasting?Total stunt - casting.
Doesn't quite work, but nice try.
#346
Posted 03 December 2008 - 11:08 AM
I've always been a bit partial to the old Rhys Ifans rumour; don't actually hate the idea of Kris Marshall, which has also been doing the rounds. Tom Hardy, someone like that? Benedict Cumberbatch has been mentioned as well, and I could see that. David Morrisey will be rather good I fancy, almost a shame they've used him up.
#347
Posted 03 December 2008 - 11:14 AM
Excellent, thanks for the tip.It appears the four series of new Who are being made available on iTunes. One series a week, starting this week, is being released between now and Christmas.
#348
Posted 03 December 2008 - 11:50 AM
Gotta be Nigel Havers. Definitely
I think I'd prefer someone who wasn't quite so... arboreal...?
Besides, haven't they now effectively ruled out any actor over the age of 40 because of the physical demands of the role?
I was only joking, although I actually think he would have been good however many years ago.
#349
Posted 06 December 2008 - 03:07 PM
I've just came across it online!
#350
Posted 06 December 2008 - 03:10 PM
#351
Posted 20 December 2008 - 12:57 PM
But Davies did reveal that all nine previous Doctors will appear in flashbacks in The Next Doctor.
He said: "I thought it would be nice for the fans to see all the old Doctors.
"It's also nice for kids to get their heads round the fact there have been lots of Doctors."
#352
Posted 20 December 2008 - 12:59 PM
#353
Posted 23 December 2008 - 04:11 PM
Apparently on our 'Casting' threads some posters claim that they have sources (yes I know I've posted my skepticism on there ) that say that CE will be definitely announced after Christmas and claiming it's a done deal. Also it appears Ejiofor's Wiki page has been updated to include this 'information' (bearing in mind anyone can add inaccurate information to a wiki profile).
So folks if the Doctor is indeed going black is CE a better choice than Paterson Joseph?
Edited by baerrtt, 23 December 2008 - 04:12 PM.
#354
Posted 23 December 2008 - 05:14 PM
http://images3.wikia...hoffman1991.jpg
And turning into:
http://us.macmillan....ltonTimothy.jpg
#355
Posted 23 December 2008 - 08:18 PM
Yes.So folks if the Doctor is indeed going black is CE a better choice than Paterson Joseph?
#356
Posted 24 December 2008 - 07:27 PM
Gotta be Nigel Havers. Definitely
I think I'd prefer someone who wasn't quite so... arboreal...?
Besides, haven't they now effectively ruled out any actor over the age of 40 because of the physical demands of the role?
#357
Posted 25 December 2008 - 01:24 PM
Anyone looking forward to the christmas special tonight?
#358
Posted 25 December 2008 - 04:56 PM
And I'm not even living in the UK !
It's about 4 in the morning here (Oz), can't sleep, so in about 3 hours am gonna check good ol' wikipedia for spoilers. (and they better be there!)
Australia's not getting it till Jan 25, but hopefully will be on youtube
BBC has blocked outside countries veiwing clips and trailers from the offical site.
Rude much !
Peaceful out!
#359
Posted 25 December 2008 - 04:59 PM
#360
Posted 25 December 2008 - 07:07 PM
Nice quote by the Doctor on his companions..."They break my heart!"
Oh, and the Doctor will return in 'The Planet of the Dead', I like the title... It's a nice homage to the old vintage episodes.