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#331 Zorin Industries

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 10:01 AM

A black Doctor - Joseph - in the inaugural year of the world's first black President?

Total stunt - casting.

So, it'll definately happen, considering the credentials of the crew making the series in Cardiff and at the Beeb.

What "credentials" are you referring to here? Because that is a rather idiotic comment...

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 10:10 AM

A black Doctor - Joseph - in the inaugural year of the world's first black President?

Total stunt - casting.

So, it'll definately happen, considering the credentials of the crew making the series in Cardiff and at the Beeb.

What "credentials" are you referring to here? Because that is a rather idiotic comment...


Good old Zorin, never slow with the personal insult. Your superiority complex knows no end.

But to educate you into what I meant...

I was refering to issues like the "supposed" regeneneration of Tennant at the end of the second last episode of the last series, exploiting the title (and Tennant's leaving) by naming the Christmas episode "The Next Doctor" when the episode is extremely unlikely to have anything to do with who will be the next Doctor. Both of these - while brilliant marketing - would indicate the opportunism of the Cardiff team. And I would not put it past them - with these "credentials" to exploit the idea of a black Doctor FOR THE FIRST TIME. A coincidence, perhaps?

Ditto the "creative" minds at the BBC. But then, that's a train your riding yourself, isn't it, Mark? :(

#333 Zorin Industries

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 10:29 AM

A black Doctor - Joseph - in the inaugural year of the world's first black President?

Total stunt - casting.

So, it'll definately happen, considering the credentials of the crew making the series in Cardiff and at the Beeb.

What "credentials" are you referring to here? Because that is a rather idiotic comment...


Good old Zorin, never slow with the personal insult. Your superiority complex knows no end.

But to educate you into what I meant...

I was refering to issues like the "supposed" regeneneration of Tennant at the end of the second last episode of the last series, exploiting the title (and Tennant's leaving) by naming the Christmas episode "The Next Doctor" when the episode is extremely unlikely to have anything to do with who will be the next Doctor. Both of these - while brilliant marketing - would indicate the opportunism of the Cardiff team. And I would not put it past them - with these "credentials" to exploit the idea of a black Doctor FOR THE FIRST TIME. A coincidence, perhaps?

Ditto the "creative" minds at the BBC. But then, that's a train your riding yourself, isn't it, Mark? :(

There was no personal insult intended I'm afraid. I was just questioning your comments about BBC Wales and the DOCTOR WHO team who have done a sterling job in reviving the franchise (and not one I had any real interest in), reviving the media industry in Cardiff, reviving the agendas of BBC ONE's Saturday night schedule which needed saving from endless Ian Wright vehicles and have now inadvertently spawned ROBIN HOOD, MERLIN and new show SUPERPOWERS which will and have got kids watching TV telling good stories again. The machinations of the 2008 Christmas special was written last year and filmed in the first part of this year - long before David Tennent announced his departure. THE NEXT DOCTOR is a deliberate McGuffin. Of course it is there to stoke interest. This is a television show that needs viewers. It is also a show that needs and uses cliffhangers. Why wouldn't it? So a not-regeneration had the nation gripped for a week before the real plot was revealed. I think the very fact that that story tangent was kept a secret in this day and age to be a stunning piece of television production and packaging.

As for the last comment, can you explain that one off board? It would be much appreciated. I hope the request is not deemed as "riding a train" or having a "superiority complex'.

#334 David Schofield

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 10:41 AM

A black Doctor - Joseph - in the inaugural year of the world's first black President?

Total stunt - casting.

So, it'll definately happen, considering the credentials of the crew making the series in Cardiff and at the Beeb.

What "credentials" are you referring to here? Because that is a rather idiotic comment...


Good old Zorin, never slow with the personal insult. Your superiority complex knows no end.

But to educate you into what I meant...

I was refering to issues like the "supposed" regeneneration of Tennant at the end of the second last episode of the last series, exploiting the title (and Tennant's leaving) by naming the Christmas episode "The Next Doctor" when the episode is extremely unlikely to have anything to do with who will be the next Doctor. Both of these - while brilliant marketing - would indicate the opportunism of the Cardiff team. And I would not put it past them - with these "credentials" to exploit the idea of a black Doctor FOR THE FIRST TIME. A coincidence, perhaps?

Ditto the "creative" minds at the BBC. But then, that's a train your riding yourself, isn't it, Mark? :(

There was no personal insult intended I'm afraid. I was just questioning your comments about BBC Wales and the DOCTOR WHO team who have done a sterling job in reviving the franchise (and not one I had any real interest in), reviving the media industry in Cardiff, reviving the agendas of BBC ONE's Saturday night schedule which needed saving from endless Ian Wright vehicles and have now inadvertently spawned ROBIN HOOD, MERLIN and new show SUPERPOWERS which will and have got kids watching TV telling good stories again. The machinations of the 2008 Christmas special was written last year and filmed in the first part of this year - long before David Tennent announced his departure. THE NEXT DOCTOR is a deliberate McGuffin. Of course it is there to stoke interest. This is a television show that needs viewers. It is also a show that needs and uses cliffhangers. Why wouldn't it? So a not-regeneration had the nation gripped for a week before the real plot was revealed. I think the very fact that that story tangent was kept a secret in this day and age to be a stunning piece of television production and packaging.

As for the last comment, can you explain that one off board? It would be much appreciated. I hope the request is not deemed as "riding a train" or having a "superiority complex'.


I find it interesting you back track on what might consititute a personal insult. You call someone comments "idiotic" and then state you were merely questioning my comments. Why not ask what I meant without the use of the word idiotic! BECAUSE I agree 100% with you remarks about what the Cardiff team have achieved with Who, and you will notice, I originally stated how brilliant marketing the two examples were I'd given!

I believe, however, casting a black Doctor now involves two much bandwagon jumping, and is not desperately creative. After Eccleston, sure. But, sadly, I wouldn't put it past the Cardiff boys. Nor the Beeb to sanction it.

But hey, you'd rather not find that out but would prefer to call my comments "idiotic".

And what's there to take off the board?

#335 dee-bee-five

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 11:56 AM

A black Doctor - Joseph - in the inaugural year of the world's first black President?

Total stunt - casting.

So, it'll definately happen, considering the credentials of the crew making the series in Cardiff and at the Beeb.

So bloody unimaginative.


Why do we resent success so in this country, I wonder...?

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 12:21 PM

This is a shame. I was hoping he would have a few more years left in the role.

I didn't know you were a WHO fan, PD!

Yeah, I seem to remember that Tennant was signed just before Eggelston started filming the new series.

Ya. Eccleston was only ever going to do one series. They needed a "well known enough" actor to get the series launched again. I get the feeling he's not that into having played the Doctor. One clue in being that he won't do any conventions (YET!). But he'll appear on the Sarah Silverman Program as Dr. Lazer Rage (LOL).

Most of the actors being mentioned in the press are recognisable faces/names and, according to RTD recently, they haven't even started casting yet.

I know they have started discussing casting. Maybe not auditioning but definitely looking for candidate ideas. I actually was thinking I would like to see an older Doctor again... like Alan Rickman! But, being in his 60s he's "just that bit too old now - the schedule would kill him!" So a young Doctor... Jim Sturgess I think would be great though he might be considered too young, still great. Toby Stephens maybe.

Anywho... I'm so excited for Steven Moffat and his new title of head writer. I really believe he will evolve the show fantastically.

#337 Zorin Industries

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 12:32 PM

A black Doctor - Joseph - in the inaugural year of the world's first black President?

Total stunt - casting.

So, it'll definately happen, considering the credentials of the crew making the series in Cardiff and at the Beeb.

What "credentials" are you referring to here? Because that is a rather idiotic comment...


Good old Zorin, never slow with the personal insult. Your superiority complex knows no end.

But to educate you into what I meant...

I was refering to issues like the "supposed" regeneneration of Tennant at the end of the second last episode of the last series, exploiting the title (and Tennant's leaving) by naming the Christmas episode "The Next Doctor" when the episode is extremely unlikely to have anything to do with who will be the next Doctor. Both of these - while brilliant marketing - would indicate the opportunism of the Cardiff team. And I would not put it past them - with these "credentials" to exploit the idea of a black Doctor FOR THE FIRST TIME. A coincidence, perhaps?

Ditto the "creative" minds at the BBC. But then, that's a train your riding yourself, isn't it, Mark? :(

There was no personal insult intended I'm afraid. I was just questioning your comments about BBC Wales and the DOCTOR WHO team who have done a sterling job in reviving the franchise (and not one I had any real interest in), reviving the media industry in Cardiff, reviving the agendas of BBC ONE's Saturday night schedule which needed saving from endless Ian Wright vehicles and have now inadvertently spawned ROBIN HOOD, MERLIN and new show SUPERPOWERS which will and have got kids watching TV telling good stories again. The machinations of the 2008 Christmas special was written last year and filmed in the first part of this year - long before David Tennent announced his departure. THE NEXT DOCTOR is a deliberate McGuffin. Of course it is there to stoke interest. This is a television show that needs viewers. It is also a show that needs and uses cliffhangers. Why wouldn't it? So a not-regeneration had the nation gripped for a week before the real plot was revealed. I think the very fact that that story tangent was kept a secret in this day and age to be a stunning piece of television production and packaging.

As for the last comment, can you explain that one off board? It would be much appreciated. I hope the request is not deemed as "riding a train" or having a "superiority complex'.


I find it interesting you back track on what might consititute a personal insult. You call someone comments "idiotic" and then state you were merely questioning my comments. Why not ask what I meant without the use of the word idiotic! BECAUSE I agree 100% with you remarks about what the Cardiff team have achieved with Who, and you will notice, I originally stated how brilliant marketing the two examples were I'd given!

I believe, however, casting a black Doctor now involves two much bandwagon jumping, and is not desperately creative. After Eccleston, sure. But, sadly, I wouldn't put it past the Cardiff boys. Nor the Beeb to sanction it.


It's actually got nothing to do with the "Beeb" as you call them. It is a decision taken by Julie Gardner, Stephen Moffat and BBC Wales.

As for the "back tracking", I would remind you that it was your comments that cited the BBC team behind DOCTOR WHO as lacking "credentials" if they were to cast - heavens above - a black man in a show that is theirs to do with what they want. Your argument is limited if you slam BBC Cardiff in one statement then agree with me when I say why you are wrong.

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 12:48 PM

It's actually got nothing to do with the "Beeb" as you call them. It is a decision taken by Julie Gardner, Stephen Moffat and BBC Wales.

As for the "back tracking", I would remind you that it was your comments that cited the BBC team behind DOCTOR WHO as lacking "credentials" if they were to cast - heavens above - a black man in a show that is theirs to do with what they want. Your argument is limited if you slam BBC Cardiff in one statement then agree with me when I say why you are wrong.


Zorin, I never questioned the quality of the Cardiff teams "credentials" - rather the expedient opportunism evident at times in those "credentials".

I maintain, that casting a black lead now does not have the courage that it would have had three years ago.

I bow to your knowledge on the lack of influence by BBC London.

PS - why "heavens above"?

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 12:53 PM

Oh, calm down everyone.

#340 Zorin Industries

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 12:58 PM

It's actually got nothing to do with the "Beeb" as you call them. It is a decision taken by Julie Gardner, Stephen Moffat and BBC Wales.

As for the "back tracking", I would remind you that it was your comments that cited the BBC team behind DOCTOR WHO as lacking "credentials" if they were to cast - heavens above - a black man in a show that is theirs to do with what they want. Your argument is limited if you slam BBC Cardiff in one statement then agree with me when I say why you are wrong.


Zorin, I never questioned the quality of the Cardiff teams "credentials" - rather the expedient opportunism evident at times in those "credentials".

I maintain, that casting a black lead now does not have the courage that it would have had three years ago.

I bow to your knowledge on the lack of influence by BBC London.

PS - why "heavens above"?


I will retract the "heavens above". Apologies if it gave the wrong impression.

"Bow" to whatever you want. For the record, I am not adding my thoughts on CBN for anyone's "knowledge".

#341 Zorin Industries

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 01:47 PM

Total stunt - casting.

Total what tasting?

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 09:05 AM

Gotta be Nigel Havers. Definitely

Total stunt - casting.

Total what tasting?


Doesn't quite work, but nice try.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 09:20 AM

Gotta be Nigel Havers. Definitely


I think I'd prefer someone who wasn't quite so... arboreal...? :(

Besides, haven't they now effectively ruled out any actor over the age of 40 because of the physical demands of the role?

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 09:44 AM

It appears the four series of new Who are being made available on iTunes. One series a week, starting this week, is being released between now and Christmas.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 10:32 AM

Gotta be Nigel Havers. Definitely

Total stunt - casting.

Total what tasting?


Doesn't quite work, but nice try.

No. You're right. I was nothing but a cupid stunt. Now THAT works....!

#346 marktmurphy

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 11:08 AM

Patterson Joseph's name has been thrown in there since time began, I think. Mostly because he was a bit Doctor-ish in Neverwhere in the 90's. Very good he was too, but it seems a bit too obvious. He's even been in the new series of Dr Who already, which may well count in his favour. I could see him doing it, but I'd like to be a bit more surprised. I actually really wouldn't see his casting as anything in the way of a stunt because of his colour, it's simply because of his perfomance in Neverwhere being one of the most obviously Dr Whoey ones of recent years (apart from Tennant's Casanova of course! :( ).

I've always been a bit partial to the old Rhys Ifans rumour; don't actually hate the idea of Kris Marshall, which has also been doing the rounds. Tom Hardy, someone like that? Benedict Cumberbatch has been mentioned as well, and I could see that. David Morrisey will be rather good I fancy, almost a shame they've used him up.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 11:14 AM

It appears the four series of new Who are being made available on iTunes. One series a week, starting this week, is being released between now and Christmas.

Excellent, thanks for the tip.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 11:50 AM

Gotta be Nigel Havers. Definitely


I think I'd prefer someone who wasn't quite so... arboreal...? :(

Besides, haven't they now effectively ruled out any actor over the age of 40 because of the physical demands of the role?


I was only joking, although I actually think he would have been good however many years ago.

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Posted 06 December 2008 - 03:07 PM

Does anyone know of the Alternate Ending for Series 4?

I've just came across it online!


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Posted 06 December 2008 - 03:10 PM

That was fantastic, it really was. Thanks for sharing.

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Posted 20 December 2008 - 12:57 PM

Looks like we will get to see a series of flashbacks from all ten doctors in the chistmas special this year.



But Davies did reveal that all nine previous Doctors will appear in flashbacks in The Next Doctor.

He said: "I thought it would be nice for the fans to see all the old Doctors.

"It's also nice for kids to get their heads round the fact there have been lots of Doctors."



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Posted 20 December 2008 - 12:59 PM

This news is absolutely brilliant. Can't wait to see this, it will be a nice touch.

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 04:11 PM

BTW I'm also a member of the Doctor Who website/forum Outpost Gallifrey and the latest 'he's going to be the Next Doctor definitely' name that's been mentioned is Chiwetel Ejiofor.

Apparently on our 'Casting' threads some posters claim that they have sources (yes I know I've posted my skepticism on there :( ) that say that CE will be definitely announced after Christmas and claiming it's a done deal. Also it appears Ejiofor's Wiki page has been updated to include this 'information' (bearing in mind anyone can add inaccurate information to a wiki profile).

So folks if the Doctor is indeed going black is CE a better choice than Paterson Joseph?

Edited by baerrtt, 23 December 2008 - 04:12 PM.


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Posted 23 December 2008 - 05:14 PM

I'd like to see a new Dr. Who movie series at the theatre. I see the Dr. morphing yet again looking first like this player, but older than this picture:

http://images3.wikia...hoffman1991.jpg

And turning into:

http://us.macmillan....ltonTimothy.jpg

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 08:18 PM

So folks if the Doctor is indeed going black is CE a better choice than Paterson Joseph?

Yes.

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Posted 24 December 2008 - 07:27 PM

Gotta be Nigel Havers. Definitely


I think I'd prefer someone who wasn't quite so... arboreal...? :(

Besides, haven't they now effectively ruled out any actor over the age of 40 because of the physical demands of the role?




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Posted 25 December 2008 - 01:24 PM

I recieved the 'New Beginnings' boxset this morning, consisting of, 'The Keeper of Traken', 'Logopolis' and 'Castrovalva'. I'm currently watching it and it's very good so far. :(

Anyone looking forward to the christmas special tonight?

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Posted 25 December 2008 - 04:56 PM

I am !
And I'm not even living in the UK !

It's about 4 in the morning here (Oz), can't sleep, so in about 3 hours am gonna check good ol' wikipedia for spoilers. (and they better be there!)

Australia's not getting it till Jan 25, but hopefully will be on youtube

BBC has blocked outside countries veiwing clips and trailers from the offical site.

Rude much !

Peaceful out!

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Posted 25 December 2008 - 04:59 PM

Yeah, I read that somewhere about Oz getting it later. It will probably be available on a torrent tomorrow, not that I condone it. :(

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Posted 25 December 2008 - 07:07 PM

Pretty average episode tonight. Out of all the christmas specials, I still prefer 'The Christmas Invasion'.

Nice quote by the Doctor on his companions..."They break my heart!"

Oh, and the Doctor will return in 'The Planet of the Dead', I like the title... It's a nice homage to the old vintage episodes.