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[DamnCoffee]

That doesn't really fit with the earlier discussion here about how Bond and M have to go off the grid to hide from Silva. Also doesn't make much sense for both of them to feel they have to hide out for three months.

Quite. I think it would give a brilliant sense of isolation though. If Bond and M were pretty much stranded for a while. Then Silva eventually puts all the clues together and finds them. Would be a nice change. Maybe Tanner somehow contacts them and warns them that Silva is coming. Giving time for booby traps and such. OR, something else that I've been thinking...

Spoiler

We've seen in 'Bond on Set' that Silva appears in the day time, and the Lodge is attacked at Night fall. What if Silva, being the total nut that he is gives Bond a chance to give up M, and retreats. "Face me like a man, James. You have two hours to prepare yourself. Agent to agent. Face to face. MI6 to Mi6. Hurrrhhh...

Edited by DamnCoffee, 16 October 2012 - 12:13 AM.

[Shrublands]

That doesn't really fit with the earlier discussion here about how Bond and M have to go off the grid to hide from Silva. Also doesn't make much sense for both of them to feel they have to hide out for three months.

I don't think it's so much 'going off the grid' exactly, but getting away form technology that could be used as a weapon against them. Remember, Silva used computer hacking to blow up the MI6 building. They move to the bunker because their normal base is compromised, then they find that once Silva is captured, along with his laptop, he compromises there too. He gets into the heart of government and starts killing right in the middle of a select comity.

[JimmyBond]

Now, we know that "Skyfall" is referenced in Bond's psychological assessment and it's obviously the house too. However, we have no confirmed mentions of the word between those two points. What is people's current general consensus about how they keep that key word/title bubbling over for the bulk of the film? Do people believe it's possibly a name linked to M and Silva's past, as well as Bond's?

Maybe it's a past operation that involved Silva, and in some way it also involved the lodge. Just throwing out ideas here, I really have no idea how the lodge is linked with an operation.

Edited by JimmyBond, 16 October 2012 - 12:15 AM.

[MkB]

As a side note: boy! there is so much fun in discussing to death hypothesis before the film is out!

[TheManwiththeWaltherPPK]

Indeed, it is perfect thematic resolution of the question being asking earlier in the film about whether human intelligence and the cultivating of assets has any relevance anymore in a world where hackers can steal entire databases of government secrets from the comfort of home. If you unplug yourself, they can't get you anymore.

Yes!

And yet, Silva gets them. I wonder how he locates them BTW. Any clue?

I think this is where the old and new approaches best dovetail. By this stage in the story Bond trusts, likes and respects Q.
Q works with Bond to let’s Silva find just enough data to send him into a trap. Perhaps just the word 'Skyfall' would be enough.

Oh really? You think Bond wants Silva to find them in Skyfall? That would be a very bold move, especially while havng M there.

Bravo, Shrublands, that makes complete sense. They can't hide out forever and it's best that Silva and his men come to them on their terms. Also, by leaking their plan on purpose, there is a good chance that Silva will be overconfident and make careless mistakes. He will think everything is proceeding as planned and won't be as wary of Bond's traps.

[Vauxhall]

Maybe it's a past operation that involved Silva, and in some way it also involved Skyfall lodge. Just throwing out ideas here, I really have no idea how the lodge is linked with an operation.

Yes, I had a vague flawed theory about it being a codename that MI6 came to use for recruiting orphans to the service, based on the success of Bond, but the chronology is all wrong as presumably Silva is supposed to be slightly older than Bond and we know he was recruited around the time of the Hong Kong handover in 1997. It's also a tad similar to those other pesky JB movies...

[MkB]

Now, we know that "Skyfall" is referenced in Bond's psychological assessment and it's obviously the house too. However, we have no confirmed mentions of the word between those two points. What is people's current general consensus about how they keep that key word/title bubbling over for the bulk of the film? Do people believe it's possibly a name linked to M and Silva's past, as well as Bond's?

Maybe it's a past operation that involved Silva, and in some way it also involved the lodge. Just throwing out ideas here, I really have no idea how the lodge is linked with an operation.

I really can't figure how the two connect. I just hope it won't involve Bond's parents being spies themselves, it would not fit with the Bond mythology IMO. He's the orphan hero, freed (in a painful way) of any family ties, who made himself as he is. I don't want him inserted in a long line of spies.

[Vauxhall]

As a side note: boy! there is so much fun in discussing to death hypothesis before the film is out!

Absolutely! And we've still got the fun ahead over the next few weeks of post-match analysis of our own theories once we've been proved wrong by the film!

[MattofSteel]

I've had a theory since we found out about the Lodge, and if it turns out to be true, it would be the ultimate Fleming reference.

Essentially - in real life, Fleming's Jamaican home "GoldenEye" where he wrote the novels was named after a real-life military operation (ironically, something to do with Spain, I think?) and subsequently used as a film title.

I've long suspected Skyfall is the name of a mission/operation in the film, named by Bond, in reference to his home. Sort of an inverse of Fleming, but a clear reference to it. Allows Skyfall to carry a double meaning, since the term on its own lends itself so marvellously to an emergency or "end of the world" scenario in the intelligence community. It would be the ultimate name for a mission to do with MI6 being as compromised as it clearly is. In this case, we'd spend the entire film thinking it's just a cool operational codename - a la Thunderball, GoldenEye, Moonraker - and the reveal of it being named after the Lodge would come as something of a twist.

[Vauxhall]

I like the idea of a Goldeneye house reference and the idea of the house's name being revealed as a mini twist, but I was interested Judi Dench told American TV today that Skyfall is "just the name of a house", or something to that effect. Now, I believe that it's going to turn out to be more than that, but it would make sense for her to be happy 'revealing' that information as that's the only confirmed definition we actually have at this stage.

Another suggestion I'd chuck about is that M was a friend of the Bond family before James was born (hmm, not sure I'd approve of this development), and she chose Skyfall many years later as a random codeword for the Hong Kong operation which eventually caused all the problems with Silva. It would be a pretty clunky coincidence, and I can immediately think of at least three problems with it, but perhaps someone else can take the idea on to something more credible.

Oh, and naturally the bulldog would be a Bond family heirloom she once received.

[MattofSteel]

I don't buy the idea of M having any personal connection whatsoever to Bond's past. Somebody in the reviews we've seen so far would have declared that a rather forced contrivance, and probably highlighted it for the mildly revisionist negative it would be.

[Vauxhall]

I don't buy the idea of M having any personal connection whatsoever to Bond's past. Somebody in the reviews we've seen so far would have declared that a rather forced contrivance, and probably highlighted it for the mildly revisionist negative it would be.

I'm glad you said that. That exact problem was featuring fairly high on my hit list of potential negative points.

I mean, I guess there might really only be one meaning for Skyfall and it's the house. I'm still wavering. 10 days until I stop wavering.

[univex]

Why would Skyfall have any other meaning besides being the name of Bond´s manor? If I was conducting a psychological evaluation (and I have, hundreds, particularly to officers of the armed forces with ptsd) on someone I happen to have a good deal of intel on, I would definitely try to delve into his childhood. It could very well have no connection whatsoever to the final 3rd act of the film. Maybe Bond conjurs the showdown at Skyfall because it was a lingering and vague memorie that grew stronger due to the projective nature of the psychologist´s word association.

[Armand Fancypants]

Perhaps the fact that the parents plummeted to their deaths (no?) in a climbing accident and the connotations of connecting that to the name of his childhood home is what affects him so deeply.

Just spitballing nonsense, here.

[Royal Dalton]

Yeah, good thinking, Univex.

I'm sure it is just the house. The "done" line in the trailer is probably the answer to a totally different question.

[Vauxhall]

Perhaps the fact that the parents plummeted to their deaths (no?) in a climbing accident and the connotations of connecting that to the name of his childhood home is what affects him so deeply.

Certainly could be, particularly with the additional link of Bond himself recently having fallen from a great height and suffered significant trauma.

[univex]

Yeah, good thinking, Univex.

I'm sure it is just the house. The "done" line in the trailer is probably the answer to a totally different question.

Or a "touch my childhood memories again and I´ll leap across the table and wack your balls with a rope while you sit on that very same chair with that very same ugly goatee" kind of answer

[TheManwiththeWaltherPPK]

Yeah, good thinking, Univex.

I'm sure it is just the house. The "done" line in the trailer is probably the answer to a totally different question.

Or a "touch my childhood memories again and I´ll leap across the table and wack your balls with a rope while you sit on that very same chair with that very same ugly goatee" kind of answer

There are tricky like that in terms of editing trailers. It could also just be part of the actual line. ie. "Skyfall?" "Skyfall?" "This conversation is done!"

[SolidWaffle]

As a title, I compare Skyfall to Thunderball. What does Thunderball mean? It's the name of the operation, and it's that note that Tom Jones passed out on.

In Skyfall, it could very well just be the lodge, which will obviously be more than a lodge in the story. And it sounds cool.

[Luigi Ferrari]

http://www.sfx.co.uk...skyfall-review/

[Vauxhall]

http://www.sfx.co.uk...skyfall-review/

Thanks for posting that Luigi. The reviewer Nick Setchfield was perhaps the most outspoken on Twitter about the gunbarrel positioning after watching the press screening, so it's good to see that he still ends up with a very positive review, despite that. The man obviously knows his Bond films.

[Vauxhall]

Further discussion in this thread if you're interested.

Great to see The Admiral's review on the CBn main page: http://commanderbond...-his-roots.html

[JimmyBond]

here is a CLIP that features 007 chasing silva

www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=26396

First off, this is the review thread. Please post clips in the Footage thread. Second off, that clip has already been posted in the footage thread, and I'm pretty sure you know that.

[thecasinoroyale]

Great to see the CBn review!


Good god I cam getting VERY impatient now for 'Skyfall', and these reviews aren't helping!!

[S K Y F A L L]

I just read the review and was wondering; I suppose this may mean there will not be as many 'nods & winks' as in DAD?

There are nods and winks to the series past, but done in a much subtler way than that of Die Another Day, where they were shot at you, unmercifully, one after the other.

[Invincible1958]

4/5 + 3/5 + 3/5 = 3.75/5

But rottentomatoes counts this as a negativ review, the first one for "Skyfall":

http://www.littlewhi...s/skyfall-22187

[Vauxhall]

4/5 + 3/5 + 3/5 = 3.75/5

But rottentomatoes counts this as a negativ review, the first one for "Skyfall":

http://www.littlewhi...s/skyfall-22187

Ah, a reviewer trying to stand out from the crowd. You also make a good point about Rotten Tomatoes' flawed maths. Grr, never mind.

Another buzz on the bulldog klaxon though: "the odd retro bulldog flourish".

[JCRendle]

I don't think it's about the scores, I think it's more the tone of the content that they say positive/negative etc.

[JCRendle]

dull locations

wow?! Really? From what I've seen the locations are beautiful, exotic and exciting.

Skyfall – and if the title itself grates, it
makes no sense whatsoever within the
context of the film

Didn't he even pay attention? It's

Spoiler

Bond's childhood home

[Vauxhall]

It's obviously going to sound a bit like I'm being churlish simply because it's a negative review, but I'm not convinced this reviewer has seen the movie. There is nothing there that hasn't been mentioned in any previous reviews.