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[Shrublands]

Seems weird that a publication devoted to loving Bond films would call any of them 'irredeemably awful'.

007 Mag deeply disliked QoS too. Correctly calling it, "A muddled mess of a picture from beginning to end."

[Armand Fancypants]

Act 3 does seem to be one of the few things that devices critics on this film.

The comparisons so far appear to be ranging between STRAW DOGS and HOME ALONE. I guess we know what they mean, but odd that both have been mentioned more than once, although that might just be symptomatic of lazy reviewing.

Critics who know their stuff would reference Straw Dogs. Idiots would reference Home Alone.

I think I'll go out on a limb for Mendes and guess that he wants to draw from Sam Peckinpah rather than Chris Columbus.

[univex]

Seems weird that a publication devoted to loving Bond films would call any of them 'irredeemably awful'.

007 Mag deeply disliked QoS too.

Well, Rye does.

Act 3 does seem to be one of the few things that devices critics on this film.

The comparisons so far appear to be ranging between STRAW DOGS and HOME ALONE. I guess we know what they mean, but odd that both have been mentioned more than once, although that might just be symptomatic of lazy reviewing.

Critics who know their stuff would reference Straw Dogs. Idiots would reference Home Alone.

I think I'll go out on a limb for Mendes and guess that he wants to draw from Sam Peckinpah rather than Chris Columbus.

Although...only one of those has a blonde hero.

[Vauxhall]

Act 3 does seem to be one of the few things that devices critics on this film.

The comparisons so far appear to be ranging between STRAW DOGS and HOME ALONE. I guess we know what they mean, but odd that both have been mentioned more than once, although that might just be symptomatic of lazy reviewing.

Critics who know their stuff would reference Straw Dogs. Idiots would reference Home Alone.

I was trying to find an elegant way of saying exactly that earlier, but failed. I think I prefer your phrasing!

[Shrublands]

Yes, nicely put Armand Fancypants.

[QOS4EVER]

Act 3 does seem to be one of the few things that devices critics on this film.

The comparisons so far appear to be ranging between STRAW DOGS and HOME ALONE. I guess we know what they mean, but odd that both have been mentioned more than once, although that might just be symptomatic of lazy reviewing.

Critics who know their stuff would reference Straw Dogs. Idiots would reference Home Alone.

I was trying to find an elegant way of saying exactly that earlier, but failed. I think I prefer your phrasing!

I just got done watching strawdogs on ocassion of all these reviews pointing a similarity to the film
Lovely film though.

[univex]

Another coincidence/similarity?

[marktmurphy]

Seems weird that a publication devoted to loving Bond films would call any of them 'irredeemably awful'.

007 Mag deeply disliked QoS too. Correctly calling it, "A muddled mess of a picture from beginning to end."

Seems a bit silly. It's a poor Bond film, but it is a Bond film and not that bad a film. If you like Bond films, there's something in there to enjoy.

[Shrublands]

Seems weird that a publication devoted to loving Bond films would call any of them 'irredeemably awful'.

007 Mag deeply disliked QoS too. Correctly calling it, "A muddled mess of a picture from beginning to end."

Seems a bit silly. It's a poor Bond film, but it is a Bond film and not that bad a film. If you like Bond films, there's something in there to enjoy.

A few things, not much - Craig is great.

[MkB]

Well, there's a point that keeps intriguing me...

We're told that there are scenes with

Spoiler

M and Kincade setting up booby-traps in Skyfall, in prevision of Silva's attack.

Why on earth would the head of UK's bloody SIS try to

Spoiler

withold a siege against heavily armed people, with the sole help of an out-of-shape agent and an old grouse-hunter, instead of just calling for some scores of special forces to pop in and say hello? It would make sense only if they were taken by surprise, but preparing for a siege... I'm clueless!

[univex]

Well, she resorts to the only man that always delivers. She made a bad judgment call once, she won´t do it again, and so she surreders herself to Bond´s protection. My two cents of analysis anyway.

[Shrublands]

Well, she resorts to the only man that always delivers. She made a bad judgment call once, she won´t do it again, and so she surreders herself to Bond´s protection. My two cents of analysis anyway.

Yes, this is very important to the resolution to the relationship between Bond and M.

I think it also has a lot to do with, if Bond and M do anything that involves a computer, Silva has got them, again. Once Bond has got her out of a massacre right at the heart of Whitehall, they have to get away fast. They can’t contact anyone or set in motion any normal SIS security.

Silva will not stop, so this is the way to end it.
They take a vintage car to a dilapidated old house in the middle of nowhere and force the issue. Killing Silva and his team on Bond’s terms.

[univex]

Well, she resorts to the only man that always delivers. She made a bad judgment call once, she won´t do it again, and so she surreders herself to Bond´s protection. My two cents of analysis anyway.

Yes, this is very important to the resolution to the relationship between Bond and M.

I think it also has a lot to do with, if Bond and M do anything that involves a computer, Silva has got them, again. Once Bond has got her out of a massacre right at the heart of Whitehall, they have to get away fast. They can’t contact anyone or set in motion any normal SIS security.

Silva will not stop, so this is the way to end it.
They take a vintage car to a dilapidated old house in the middle of nowhere and force the issue. Killing Silva and his team on Bond’s terms.

Yes, I loved the way you put that on the other thread. Made me want to re-watch strawdogs. The far-away-from-everything-electronic angle ("Back in time") is the perfect analysis. Again, very good Shrublands.

[Shrublands]

Well, she resorts to the only man that always delivers. She made a bad judgment call once, she won´t do it again, and so she surreders herself to Bond´s protection. My two cents of analysis anyway.

Yes, this is very important to the resolution to the relationship between Bond and M.

I think it also has a lot to do with, if Bond and M do anything that involves a computer, Silva has got them, again. Once Bond has got her out of a massacre right at the heart of Whitehall, they have to get away fast. They can’t contact anyone or set in motion any normal SIS security.

Silva will not stop, so this is the way to end it.
They take a vintage car to a dilapidated old house in the middle of nowhere and force the issue. Killing Silva and his team on Bond’s terms.

Yes, I loved the way you put that on the other thread. Made me want to re-watch strawdogs. The far-away-from-everything-electronic angle ("Back in time") is the perfect analysis. Again, very good Shrublands.

I can’t help but think that some of the reviewers were in such a rush to get their copy out, they didn’t stop to think about how rich and layered the themes and the story seems to be.

[TheManwiththeWaltherPPK]

Well, there's a point that keeps intriguing me...

We're told that there are scenes with

Spoiler

M and Kincade setting up booby-traps in Skyfall, in prevision of Silva's attack.

Why on earth would the head of UK's bloody SIS try to

Spoiler

withold a siege against heavily armed people, with the sole help of an out-of-shape agent and an old grouse-hunter, instead of just calling for some scores of special forces to pop in and say hello? It would make sense only if they were taken by surprise, but preparing for a siege... I'm clueless!

I think the answer lies in the "Back in Time" TV Spot.

Spoiler

I think it's because MI6's reliance on technology is playing right into Silva's hands. For instance, a couple of reviews mention Q's computer hacking backfiring spectacularly. I think Q attempts to hack into Silva's computers and all he does is give Silva's worms or viruses or whatever a backdoor into MI6's networks. Consequently, MI6 as an organization is completely compromised. Any MI6 attempts to organize a defence of M would be broadcast directly to the enemy. It also explains why Bond get rid of the company car because of its tracker. Obviously, the only reason why the tracker would be a detriment is if the wrong people have access to the MI6 software or hardware that picks up the tracking signal. Bond goes off with M on his own because it is unpredictable and it neutralizes Silva's technological advantages.

Edited by TheManwiththeWaltherPPK, 15 October 2012 - 11:25 PM.

[MkB]

Indeed, makes sense this way!

[Shrublands]

Well, there's a point that keeps intriguing me...

We're told that there are scenes with

Spoiler

M and Kincade setting up booby-traps in Skyfall, in prevision of Silva's attack.

Why on earth would the head of UK's bloody SIS try to

Spoiler

withold a siege against heavily armed people, with the sole help of an out-of-shape agent and an old grouse-hunter, instead of just calling for some scores of special forces to pop in and say hello? It would make sense only if they were taken by surprise, but preparing for a siege... I'm clueless!

I think the answer lies in the "Back in Time" TV Spot.

Spoiler

I think it's because MI6's reliance on technology is playing right into Silva's hands. For instance, a couple of reviews mention Q's computer hacking backfiring spectacularly. I think Q attempts to hack into Silva's computers and all he does is give Silva's worms or viruses or whatever a backdoor into MI6's networks. Consequently, MI6 as an organization is completely compromised. Any MI6 attempts to organize a defence of M would be broadcast directly to the enemy. It also explains why Bond get rid of the company car because of its tracker. Obviously, the only reason why the tracker would be a detriment is if the wrong people have access to the MI6 software or hardware that picks up the tracking signal. Bond goes off with M on his own because it is unpredictable and it neutralizes Silva's technological advantages.

Exactly.

[univex]

Well, she resorts to the only man that always delivers. She made a bad judgment call once, she won´t do it again, and so she surreders herself to Bond´s protection. My two cents of analysis anyway.

Yes, this is very important to the resolution to the relationship between Bond and M.

I think it also has a lot to do with, if Bond and M do anything that involves a computer, Silva has got them, again. Once Bond has got her out of a massacre right at the heart of Whitehall, they have to get away fast. They can’t contact anyone or set in motion any normal SIS security.

Silva will not stop, so this is the way to end it.
They take a vintage car to a dilapidated old house in the middle of nowhere and force the issue. Killing Silva and his team on Bond’s terms.

Yes, I loved the way you put that on the other thread. Made me want to re-watch strawdogs. The far-away-from-everything-electronic angle ("Back in time") is the perfect analysis. Again, very good Shrublands.

I can’t help but think that some of the reviewers were in such a rush to get their copy out, they didn’t stop to think about how rich and layered the themes and the story seems to be.

True. And I can´t believe they didn´t enjoy the imagery of

Spoiler

tea cups with scotish landscapes being shot to smithereens. Or that "probably the biggest explosion caught on film" moment. Or the Kincaide/Bond banter. Or the graves and the cold and empty context of Bond´s childhood.

It´s just so very well put together. I refuse to believe it doesn´t pay off in the end.

[TheManwiththeWaltherPPK]

Well, she resorts to the only man that always delivers. She made a bad judgment call once, she won´t do it again, and so she surreders herself to Bond´s protection. My two cents of analysis anyway.

Yes, this is very important to the resolution to the relationship between Bond and M.

I think it also has a lot to do with, if Bond and M do anything that involves a computer, Silva has got them, again. Once Bond has got her out of a massacre right at the heart of Whitehall, they have to get away fast. They can’t contact anyone or set in motion any normal SIS security.

Silva will not stop, so this is the way to end it.
They take a vintage car to a dilapidated old house in the middle of nowhere and force the issue. Killing Silva and his team on Bond’s terms.

Yes, I loved the way you put that on the other thread. Made me want to re-watch strawdogs. The far-away-from-everything-electronic angle ("Back in time") is the perfect analysis. Again, very good Shrublands.

I can’t help but think that some of the reviewers were in such a rush to get their copy out, they didn’t stop to think about how rich and layered the themes and the story seems to be.

True. And I can´t believe they didn´t enjoy the imagery of

Spoiler

tea cups with scotish landscapes being shot to smithereens. Or that "probably the biggest explosion caught on film" moment. Or the Kincaide/Bond banter. Or the graves and the cold and empty context of Bond´s childhood.

It´s just so very well put together. I refuse to believe it doesn´t pay off in the end.

Indeed, it is perfect thematic resolution of the question being asking earlier in the film about whether human intelligence and the cultivating of assets has any relevance anymore in a world where hackers can steal entire databases of government secrets from the comfort of home. If you unplug yourself, they can't get you anymore.

[univex]

Yes, that´s it in a nutshell. Thumbs up.

That "if you unplug yourself, they can´t get you anymore" took me back to 1999 again and I didn´t even need a blue pill (no, not that one, pervs, the one from the matrix).

[MkB]

Indeed, it is perfect thematic resolution of the question being asking earlier in the film about whether human intelligence and the cultivating of assets has any relevance anymore in a world where hackers can steal entire databases of government secrets from the comfort of home. If you unplug yourself, they can't get you anymore.

Yes!

And yet, Silva gets them. I wonder how he locates them BTW. Any clue?

[Armand Fancypants]

Another coincidence/similarity?

Ah, excellent, hadn't thought of that before!

Yes, strikes me as a very strong homage.

Wonder if the shootout itself will feature slow-mo interspersed with the regular speed stuff. That'd be the icing on the cake.

[Vauxhall]

Indeed, it is perfect thematic resolution of the question being asking earlier in the film about whether human intelligence and the cultivating of assets has any relevance anymore in a world where hackers can steal entire databases of government secrets from the comfort of home. If you unplug yourself, they can't get you anymore.

Yes!

And yet, Silva gets them. I wonder how he locates them BTW. Any clue?

I was suspicious of Mallory for a while, but I went off that theory when certain other bits of information about him appeared. It's clear that Bond definitely expects Silva will find them ("Some men are coming to kill us") but I'm not sure exactly how. Hopefully it won't be something as sloppy as Bond leaving a trace by using his Mastercard to buy a bottle of Heineken at the Heart of Scotland motorway services on the M8.

[The Shark]

And yet, Silva gets them. I wonder how he locates them BTW. Any clue?

Breadcrumbs.

[JimmyBond]

And yet, Silva gets them. I wonder how he locates them BTW. Any clue?

Breadcrumbs.

If only M could have waited till they got to the lodge to eat...

[DamnCoffee]

I wonder if M and Bond are at the Lodge for a good few months. There's been a lot of talk about fake snow being used in the climax. Any idea of what time the Lodge period is set around and for how long? Would be nice for some character development to have them stranded for a few months,

[JimmyBond]

That doesn't really fit with the earlier discussion here about how Bond and M have to go off the grid to hide from Silva. Also doesn't make much sense for both of them to feel they have to hide out for three months.

[Shrublands]

Indeed, it is perfect thematic resolution of the question being asking earlier in the film about whether human intelligence and the cultivating of assets has any relevance anymore in a world where hackers can steal entire databases of government secrets from the comfort of home. If you unplug yourself, they can't get you anymore.

Yes!

And yet, Silva gets them. I wonder how he locates them BTW. Any clue?

I think this is where the old and new approaches best dovetail. By this stage in the story Bond trusts, likes and respects Q.
Q works with Bond to let’s Silva find just enough data to send him into a trap. Perhaps just the word 'Skyfall' would be enough.

[MkB]

Indeed, it is perfect thematic resolution of the question being asking earlier in the film about whether human intelligence and the cultivating of assets has any relevance anymore in a world where hackers can steal entire databases of government secrets from the comfort of home. If you unplug yourself, they can't get you anymore.

Yes!

And yet, Silva gets them. I wonder how he locates them BTW. Any clue?

I think this is where the old and new approaches best dovetail. By this stage in the story Bond trusts, likes and respects Q.
Q works with Bond to let’s Silva find just enough data to send him into a trap. Perhaps just the word 'Skyfall' would be enough.

Oh really? You think Bond wants Silva to find them in Skyfall? That would be a very bold move, especially while havng M there.

[Vauxhall]

Indeed, it is perfect thematic resolution of the question being asking earlier in the film about whether human intelligence and the cultivating of assets has any relevance anymore in a world where hackers can steal entire databases of government secrets from the comfort of home. If you unplug yourself, they can't get you anymore.

Yes!

And yet, Silva gets them. I wonder how he locates them BTW. Any clue?

I think this is where the old and new approaches best dovetail. By this stage in the story Bond trusts, likes and respects Q.
Q works with Bond to let’s Silva find just enough data to send him into a trap. Perhaps just the word 'Skyfall' would be enough.

Yeah, you've probably got it there, I reckon. Bond luring Silva to him so he can fight the battle on his terms on the area of land that he knows better than anyone else (apart from maybe Kincade).

Now, we know that "Skyfall" is referenced in Bond's psychological assessment and it's obviously the house too. However, we have no confirmed mentions of the word between those two points. What is people's current general consensus about how they keep that key word/title bubbling over for the bulk of the film? Do people believe it's possibly a name linked to M and Silva's past, as well as Bond's?