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[The Shark]

My comment, pussfeller, was a response to the fans and people actually considering or even entertaining the idea that Bond is gay/bisexual or as another poster here submitted, "probably experimented in the past".

That doesn't mean he's gay/bisexual.

[Pussfeller]

Indeed, I read the "not my first time" line as referring not to a relationship, but to a lewd and aggressive imposition of the sort that Silva is now making. It seems to me that Bond is warning Silva that he won't gratify him with a response, because he's lived through this sort of situation before, possibly while at school. And being sexually exploited by someone of the same sex doesn't say anything about one's own sexual orientation.

[stamper]

Jeez, you guys really think Fleming had good taste in women and never touched a man? Just look at the way he held his cigarette. Or his wife.

[The Shark]

http://debrief.comma...y/page__st__210

[EyesOnly]

Of course Bond is not gay, but I can imagine many articles and bloggers eating that phrase up and making it into something huge.

[MattofSteel]

He's not straight, gay, or bisexual. He's fictional.

[The Shark]

Thanks, Sherlock.

[Vauxhall]

Tom Bradby ‏@tombradby
Just saw Skyfall. OMG; a plot that makes sense. It is really very good. We'll be discussing on The Agenda on Monday...
Mendes is a very clever guy. He does all kinds of interesting things with Bond that I didn't expect.
He also does all the usual stuff with a lot of flare. A really, really great script, too.

[trevanian]

Indeed, I read the "not my first time" line as referring not to a relationship, but to a lewd and aggressive imposition of the sort that Silva is now making. It seems to me that Bond is warning Silva that he won't gratify him with a response, because he's lived through this sort of situation before, possibly while at school. And being sexually exploited by someone of the same sex doesn't say anything about one's own sexual orientation.

I only post here once every 2 or 3 years, but gotta weigh in on this. The whole point of Bond is that he is Fleming's wish-fulfillment, so this is the guy who DIDN'T get buggered at school.

John Logan has moronically chosen to inflict Fleming's life on Bond,which is probably in keeping with the idiot writing he brought to his untampered-with original screenplays for STAR TREK NEMESIS and BATS.

Since I see very little (as in NOTHING) of Bond in the CR film, and only a few nice bits in QoS, this is just in keeping with them rewriting Bond as a whole separate character who has nothing to do with what was gone before, but putting it over on the public as returning to roots (roots he didn't even have -- seen very little indication of Bond suffering childhood traumas into adulthood, and this trashes the John Pearson version of Bond, which is probably the only legit one outside of Amis and Fleming himself.) The torture scene in CR runs counter to Fleming's Bond, who wouldn't be wasting breath on jokes. The notion he'd be retorting to put Silva off also is countered in COLONEL SUN, where Bond experiences and even voices revulsion over the notion of a homosexual encounter, without even internally implying that it was due to any past experience (just that he is resolutely hetero.)

And the Finney part certainly doesn't resemble Bond's aunt, but DOES resemble the DAD notion for a character to lure Connery back.

If it weren't for those good moments in QoS and Arnold's pre-Tosca music cue, there'd be nothing for me to like about the Craig era thus far, and I've gone from tepid anticipation to mortal dread on SF.

[IcedCamaro]

Still only 2 top critic reviews on RT, so I'm really waiting until more "major dudes", as someone else called them here, are factored into that RT percentage. It will also be interesting to see what the percentage for the top critics ONLY (sans the other critics) will amount to. Perhaps it will stay at 100%, I'm thiking so with the way critics are going OMFG for this film. It will be nice to also see the actual audience percentage and if it's above or below that of the critics. Critics have a way of viewing films that is not always consistent with general audiences.

As for the whole sexual thing, I really really prefer my Bond non gay and non bi. I don't have a problem with either in real life, it's just that Bond is supposed to epitomize the hetero alpha male in my opinion. I would assume that whatever's said by Bond was said merely as a taunt, a way of messing with the villain's head. I'd need to check out Bond's expression, the whole atmosphere and context to really understand what the whole point of that line is/was.

[S K Y F A L L]

I can't get enough of these great reviews,

[MkB]

He's not straight, gay, or bisexual. He's fictional.

[MattofSteel]

Thanks, Sherlock.

I'm just saying, what the hell. This discussion is no less ridiculous than when people wondered whether or not that Harry Potter wizard might be gay. He might be anything. He's not actually a thing.

[S K Y F A L L]

You know what, Bond should be gay for the puns. Bond to Silva; "I'm what you would call a 'power top'."

[EyesOnly]

Thanks, Sherlock.

I'm just saying, what the hell. This discussion is no less ridiculous than when people wondered whether or not that Harry Potter wizard might be gay. He might be anything. He's not actually a thing.

What about this is ridiculous though? I think it's a legit conversation. No one here says he's gay, but MAYBE that line can be misinterpreted.

[Single-O-Seven]

Thanks, Sherlock.

I'm just saying, what the hell. This discussion is no less ridiculous than when people wondered whether or not that Harry Potter wizard might be gay. He might be anything. He's not actually a thing.

Or a teletubby or Bert and Ernie....

But I guess it's fun to speculate so long as the debate doesn't get too ridiculous, as the above examples did.

[Shrublands]

Still only 2 top critic reviews on RT, so...

Well I can see 7 top critics there at a glance and they're all labeled as such. All very positive too.

[Armand Fancypants]

Straight as a die.

[Pussfeller]

I'm just saying, what the hell. This discussion is no less ridiculous than when people wondered whether or not that Harry Potter wizard might be gay.

There's only one way to avoid the absurdity of wondering what a fictional character is like, and that's to avoid fiction altogether. Fiction depends on the ability to treat a nonexistent thing as if it existed.

He's not actually a thing.

He's a fictional thing, and a fiction is no less real than the brains that create and entertain it. For a group of people to have a shared conception of something that doesn't exist, they have to agree about what that thing is like. Otherwise they share no conception at all. Arguments are inevitable and healthy. It can be interesting to probe our consensus about Bond, a neurological reality without which James Bond would not exist.

He might be anything.

Might he be? If I prefer to think of James Bond as a female Portuguese claims-adjuster, it will be difficult for me to engage with other Bond fans, or with Bond films and novels, all of which obey a different consensus. I might not be "wrong" in the strictest logical sense (because Bond might as well be a female Portuguese claims-adjuster), but for me to participate in this fictional world, I have to accept the consensus, at least broadly. If I reject it, then I become like those "Craignotbond" schismatics who prefer to believe in an abstract dark-haired Bond who doesn't appear in movies anymore. The minor uncertainties (like Bond's precise sexual orientation, shoe size, and preferred brand of toothpaste) create arguments because our broad consensus doesn't cover these points. Someday it might. Or it might not. But some sort of consensus will always exist, and that's what Bond will be. Not anything else.

[IcedCamaro]

Still only 2 top critic reviews on RT, so...

Well I can see 7 top critics there at a glance and they're all labeled as such. All very positive too.

Ok, this is really weird. I can only see 2 top critics, Variety and Hollywood Reporter but a friend of mine in Australia can see 5 Top Critics (mine, plus Empire, UK Guardian and Uk Times). Or better said, I am getting only 2 Top Critics labeled as such and she is only getting 5 with that label. You say you get 7 Top. Why would it do that? Obviously location plays a role, I just don't understand why.

[SkyfallCraig]

Still only 2 top critic reviews on RT, so...

Well I can see 7 top critics there at a glance and they're all labeled as such. All very positive too.

Ok, this is really weird. I can only see 2 top critics, Variety and Hollywood Reporter but a friend of mine in Australia can see 5 Top Critics (mine, plus Empire, UK Guardian and Uk Times). Or better said, I am getting only 2 Top Critics labeled as such and she is only getting 5 with that label. You say you get 7 Top. Why would it do that? Obviously location plays a role, I just don't understand why.

I see 2 top critics too

[Shrublands]

Dave Calhoun
Time Out
Top Critic

A Bond movie that boldly struts forward while looking back over its shoulder to the past.
Full Review | Comment | Original Score: 4/5
October 16, 2012


Kim Newman
Empire Magazine
Top Critic

Pretty much all you could want from a 21st Century Bond: cool but not camp, respectful of tradition but up to the moment, serious in its thrills and relatively complex in its characters but with the sense of fun that hasn't always been evident lately.
Full Review | Comment | Original Score: 4/5
October 16, 2012


Peter Debruge
Variety
Top Critic

Putting the "intelligence" in MI6, Skyfall reps a smart, savvy and incredibly satisfying addition to the 007 oeuvre.
Full Review | Comment
October 13, 2012


Todd McCarthy
Hollywood Reporter
Top Critic

Feels more seriously connected to real-world concerns than any previous entry, despite the usual outlandish action scenes, glittering settings and larger-than-life characters.
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Xan Brooks
Guardian [UK]
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Works terrifically well up to a point.
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October 13, 2012
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Robbie Collin
Daily Telegraph
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Skyfall shakes together familiar elements of the Ian Fleming canon - the cars, the guns, the exotic locales with the dames to match - into a blistering comic book escapade that the old Bond, and one suspects Fleming too, would find altogether alien.
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October 13, 2012
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Kate Muir
Times [UK]
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Skyfall is a resurrection, and will go down as one of 007's best.
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[x007AceOfSpades]

I don't know if it's the great reviews or what, but I've just found out that 'Skyfall' is being released a day early in IMAX for North American Venues.

[QOS4EVER]

I don't know if it's the great reviews or what, but I've just found out that 'Skyfall' is being released a day early in IMAX for North American Venues.

That was announced a while back!

[MattofSteel]

It is. I'm seeing a 12:07am screening on November 8th. So really, it will be a super late night screening on November 7th.

[JimmyBond]

I wish I could see a midnight showing on the 8th. But I work at 3 AM on Thursdays, and I wouldn't have enough time to get from the theater to work after the movie was over.

[Skull Kid]

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[quantumofsolace]

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[JCRendle]

http://www.eatsleepl...review-skyfall/

http://www.virginmed...fall-review.php

Another 5 star review and another 4/5 review. Fantastic!

[x007AceOfSpades]

97% on Rotton Tomatoes.

Personally, I hate RT, but thought I would share it with the rest of you guys.