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#211 Captain Tightpants

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 03:21 AM

As promised, I'm going to go back in time and break down the lyrics of their predecessors ...

Firstly, let's go to Tina Turner's GoldenEye, penned by Bono and the edge. We'll just go with the main chors for the time being:

GoldenEye, I've found his weakness,
GoldenEye, I'll do what I please.
GoldenEye, no time for sweetness,
But a bitter kiss will bring him to his knees.


Alright, so it's pretty obvious that it's about Bond. I think these are really quite good lyrics, even though the mostly relate to a woman watcing Bond. But I also think that given GoldenEye's thematic undertones of whether the post-Cold War world still needs James Bond, it has a lot to do with the world watching Bond. It's how we've traditionally seen him, but up until GoldenEye, Europe was still divided by the Iron Curtain. The question is what happens next.

Exhibit B comes from Sheryl Crow's Tomorrow Never Dies:

Until that day, until the world falls away
Until you say there will be no more good-byes;
I see it in your eyes,
Tomorrow Never Dies.


The one giant leap from GoldenEye has now become a huge step backwards. The lyrics make no sense, and I suspect that they're born out of the need to rhyme 'dies' with something. In the context of the wider song, Crow is still singing about Bond, but once again it's his relationship with a woman.

The next entry comes from Garbage:

The World Is Not Enough,
But it's such a perfect place to start, my love;
And if we're strong enough,
Together we can take the world apart, my love.


And now is where we get the paradigm shift. It's still about Bond, and it's still about a relationship, but this time, it comes from Elektra King's point of view. In fact, the whole song is about Elektra. I actually quite like these, too; there's a lot about Elektra's ambitions within it. Sure, they're fairly simple rhymes again, but they do have a kind of sophistication about them.

Next up is Madge's entry into Bond Lore:

I think I'll find another way,
There's so much more to know.
I guess I'll Die Another Day;
It's not my time to go.


Oh, dear. I actually had to take these from a verse because the main chorus line consists of "I guess I'll Die Another Day (another day)" repeated several times. Anyway, like Crow's song, these lyrics make zero sense and have nothing to do with anything in the film other than the title. It's clearly something to do with not wanting to die because there's still too much left to do, but the lyrics are childish at best, made for MTV more than a Bond film.

And finally, we get onto Cornell's efforts:

Arm yourself because no-one else here will save you,
The odds will betray you, and I will replace you;
You can't deny the prize, it will never fulfil you,
It longs to kill you; are you willing to die?
The coldness burn through my veins,
You Know My Name
.

There's a lot going on here; moreso than any of its immediate predecessors. True, we're still singing about Bond, but it's breaking the mould somewhat. We're now talking about th kind of person Bond needs to be in order to be a Double-Oh and stay alive. The lines relate to (in order of appearance) the fact that Bond is alone, that he's unlikely to succeed, that there will always be another ready to take over, the idea that his mission will never quite be complete because there will be another evil to be chased down after this one is dead and buried, how far Bond is willing to go to succeed in his assignment, and the idea that he needs to abandon his emotions if he wants to stay alive. Much more layered and complex than anything that has gone before.

Now we get onto Another Way to Die. These are a rouch approximation of the lyrics, taken from Wade's translation:

I know the player with the slick trigger finger for Her Majesty
We establish that it's Bond. He's being likened to a pawn or a contestant in a game, which seems apt given what has gone before. "Slick trigger finger for Her Majesty" s another way of saying "hired gun".

Another one with the golden tone voice and then your fantasy
Alright, he's a smooth talker, and could probably sell sand to Saudi Arabia. He's easy to listen to and he's the kind of guy who lives in one's fantasies.

Another bill from a killer (inaudible) thriller to a tragedy
Again, he's a hired assassin, but that doesn't mean he's not human. The tragedy part is clearly relating to Vesper Lynd.

Well I'm gonna let it open (??)
A woman walking back (??)
A drop in the water
A look in the eye
I found it on the table
A man on your side

This is a little murkier, but I think it stll has meaning; it's not in there as filler or simply to rhyme. I think they're metaphors for finding something in a person that means you an trust them.

Of someone that you think that you can trust
You're just another way to die

This is what I was getting to in my last post: trust is the currency that Bond deals in. Each person that he begins to trust is potentially another way to get himself killed.

MMMMMmMMMMMMMmmMM
MmMMMMMMmmmmmmMm

This is filler, but it doesn't try to be clever about it.

Another tricky little gun giving solace to the one that will never see the sunshine
Bond is finding comfort in revenge: his gun will gve him solace. The second half relates to the idea that his hands are already stained with blood, so there's little reason to stay them now.

Another inch of your life sacrificed for your brotha in the nick of time
Sacrifice, pure and simple. Bond is giving up his soul so that someone else may benefit.

Another dirty money heaven-sent honey turning on a dime
'Dirty money' is likely relating to the poker winnings, or money used to buy another's loyalty. 'Heaven-sent honey' is Camille, or more likely Vesper as 'turning on a dime' is someone buying her loyalties.

Why didnt Chris Cornell return?!

First... welcome to CBn! And as for Chris Cornell... that's just not the way it works. The only artist that has ever returned has been Shirley Bassey (Goldfinger, Diamonds Are Forever & Moonraker) and those weren't back-to-back.

So he didnt return because they want to follow the stupid traddition of not having the same artist for more than one bond film? Sounds like a lame excuse to me

Have you heard anything from the Timbaland-produced Scream? It's crap.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 03:33 AM

As promised, I'm going to go back in time and break down the lyrics of their predecessors ...

Firstly, let's go to Tina Turner's GoldenEye, penned by Bono and the edge. We'll just go with the main chors for the time being:

GoldenEye, I've found his weakness,
GoldenEye, I'll do what I please.
GoldenEye, no time for sweetness,
But a bitter kiss will bring him to his knees.


Alright, so it's pretty obvious that it's about Bond. I think these are really quite good lyrics, even though the mostly relate to a woman watcing Bond. But I also think that given GoldenEye's thematic undertones of whether the post-Cold War world still needs James Bond, it has a lot to do with the world watching Bond. It's how we've traditionally seen him, but up until GoldenEye, Europe was still divided by the Iron Curtain. The question is what happens next.

Exhibit B comes from Sheryl Crow's Tomorrow Never Dies:

Until that day, until the world falls away
Until you say there will be no more good-byes;
I see it in your eyes,
Tomorrow Never Dies.


The one giant leap from GoldenEye has now become a huge step backwards. The lyrics make no sense, and I suspect that they're born out of the need to rhyme 'dies' with something. In the context of the wider song, Crow is still singing about Bond, but once again it's his relationship with a woman.

The next entry comes from Garbage:

The World Is Not Enough,
But it's such a perfect place to start, my love;
And if we're strong enough,
Together we can take the world apart, my love.


And now is where we get the paradigm shift. It's still about Bond, and it's still about a relationship, but this time, it comes from Elektra King's point of view. In fact, the whole song is about Elektra. I actually quite like these, too; there's a lot about Elektra's ambitions within it. Sure, they're fairly simple rhymes again, but they do have a kind of sophistication about them.

Next up is Madge's entry into Bond Lore:

I think I'll find another way,
There's so much more to know.
I guess I'll Die Another Day;
It's not my time to go.


Oh, dear. I actually had to take these from a verse because the main chorus line consists of "I guess I'll Die Another Day (another day)" repeated several times. Anyway, like Crow's song, these lyrics make zero sense and have nothing to do with anything in the film other than the title. It's clearly something to do with not wanting to die because there's still too much left to do, but the lyrics are childish at best, made for MTV more than a Bond film.

And finally, we get onto Cornell's efforts:

Arm yourself because no-one else here will save you,
The odds will betray you, and I will replace you;
You can't deny the prize, it will never fulfil you,
It longs to kill you; are you willing to die?
The coldness burn through my veins,
You Know My Name
.

There's a lot going on here; moreso than any of its immediate predecessors. True, we're still singing about Bond, but it's breaking the mould somewhat. We're now talking about th kind of person Bond needs to be in order to be a Double-Oh and stay alive. The lines relate to (in order of appearance) the fact that Bond is alone, that he's unlikely to succeed, that there will always be another ready to take over, the idea that his mission will never quite be complete because there will be another evil to be chased down after this one is dead and buried, how far Bond is willing to go to succeed in his assignment, and the idea that he needs to abandon his emotions if he wants to stay alive. Much more layered and complex than anything that has gone before.

Now we get onto Another Way to Die. These are a rouch approximation of the lyrics, taken from Wade's translation:

I know the player with the slick trigger finger for Her Majesty
We establish that it's Bond. He's being likened to a pawn or a contestant in a game, which seems apt given what has gone before. "Slick trigger finger for Her Majesty" s another way of saying "hired gun".

Another one with the golden tone voice and then your fantasy
Alright, he's a smooth talker, and could probably sell sand to Saudi Arabia. He's easy to listen to and he's the kind of guy who lives in one's fantasies.

Another bill from a killer (inaudible) thriller to a tragedy
Again, he's a hired assassin, but that doesn't mean he's not human. The tragedy part is clearly relating to Vesper Lynd.

Well I'm gonna let it open (??)
A woman walking back (??)
A drop in the water
A look in the eye
I found it on the table
A man on your side

This is a little murkier, but I think it stll has meaning; it's not in there as filler or simply to rhyme. I think they're metaphors for finding something in a person that means you an trust them.

Of someone that you think that you can trust
You're just another way to die

This is what I was getting to in my last post: trust is the currency that Bond deals in. Each person that he begins to trust is potentially another way to get himself killed.

MMMMMmMMMMMMMmmMM
MmMMMMMMmmmmmmMm

This is filler, but it doesn't try to be clever about it.

Another tricky little gun giving solace to the one that will never see the sunshine
Bond is finding comfort in revenge: his gun will gve him solace. The second half relates to the idea that his hands are already stained with blood, so there's little reason to stay them now.

Another inch of your life sacrificed for your brotha in the nick of time
Sacrifice, pure and simple. Bond is giving up his soul so that someone else may benefit.

Another dirty money heaven-sent honey turning on a dime
'Dirty money' is likely relating to the poker winnings, or money used to buy another's loyalty. 'Heaven-sent honey' is Camille, or more likely Vesper as 'turning on a dime' is someone buying her loyalties.

Why didnt Chris Cornell return?!

First... welcome to CBn! And as for Chris Cornell... that's just not the way it works. The only artist that has ever returned has been Shirley Bassey (Goldfinger, Diamonds Are Forever & Moonraker) and those weren't back-to-back.

So he didnt return because they want to follow the stupid traddition of not having the same artist for more than one bond film? Sounds like a lame excuse to me

Have you heard anything from the Timbaland-produced Scream? It's crap.

No I havent

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 03:37 AM

I feel like the only person on earth who hasn't heard this :(

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 03:40 AM

Actually when I think about it, Alicia Keys really sounds off in the song.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 03:57 AM

Actually when I think about it, Alicia Keys really sounds off in the song.

You know what... I absolutely agree! I don't understand why Eon just didn't hire The White Stripes and let them make their own music. It already sounds very White Stripe-ish to me so what was wrong with letting Meg White do the female vocals? I actually have a problem with this more so now after hearing part of the song because yes, to me, Alicia Keys voice does not sound like it meshes well with Jack or with the music. The rest of it I'm actually liking and can't wait to hear the whole thing.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 04:08 AM

You do realise that because it was probaby recorded from a radio, this is hardly the final quality of the song?

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 04:15 AM

You do realise that because it was probaby recorded from a radio, this is hardly the final quality of the song?

Yeah I guess so...

Edited by CamExam, 16 September 2008 - 04:16 AM.


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Posted 16 September 2008 - 04:18 AM

I feel like the only person on earth who hasn't heard this :(

You're not. Based on what I've heard, the audio quality is bad, so I'm waiting until a good quality version comes out. I don't want to get an unnecessary bad impression.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 04:28 AM

The lyrics as I hear them, could be off.

I know the player with the slick trigger finger for Her Majesty
Another one with the golden tone voice and then your fantasy
Another bill from a killer turned a thrill into a tragedy

A door left open
A woman walking by
A drop in the water
A look in the eye
A phone on the table
A man on your side
Someone that you think that you can trust is just
Another way to die

Another tricky little gun giving solace to the one that will never see the sunshine
Another inch of your life sacrificed for your brother in the nick of time
Another dirty money, heaven sent honey turning on a dime

Chorus


#220 Mr Teddy Bear

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 04:30 AM

I love the moody motives on piano and violins. Exactly what I expected. I have to agree with Athena though. I'm puzzled why they just didn't give The White Stripes the gig. Keys seems a bit out of place. I'm willing to give her another chance when we get the full version though.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 04:40 AM

To be honest the instramentals in the coke ad is better than the actual song

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 04:48 AM

I actually like it from the first time I heard it. The chorus was a little weak, but everything else was very well done.

But that's the problem, it doesn't give the song much room to grow on me since I already like it, unlike YKMN which started off as a 2 stars on my iPod and is now 5 stars. I'd say what little of AWTD I've heard I'd put as 3 stars bordering on 4.

Edit: "A phone on the table"... nod to Vesper?

Edited by Joey Bond, 16 September 2008 - 04:52 AM.


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Posted 16 September 2008 - 05:20 AM

Still as instantly winning as the unwiped genitalia of a month-dead leper.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 05:24 AM

hmm... I'm gonna have to hear a better version to really know. A can't believe that the good/final mix of it will have the voices sounding so tinny...

So far though, I don't see a lot of potential to work this into the score like YKMN did... but as I said... we'll have to see.

that said, I really love the first 13 seconds...

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 05:37 AM

I feel like the only person on earth who hasn't heard this :(

You're not. Based on what I've heard, the audio quality is bad, so I'm waiting until a good quality version comes out. I don't want to get an unnecessary bad impression.


Sorry, I´m late for the party. But let me get this straight:

Everybody considers the song has leaked but...

- in fact it is only a snippet of about one or two minutes
- it is badly recorded from the radio
- a spanish radio speaker is talking over it

However, everybody is sounding off on it as if they had heard the full song in its proper quality.

So, if there is a bad bootleg of the trailer, does this mean the whole film has been leaked, too?

This only means one thing: anticipation for the song is sky high.

EON and SONY will be delighted.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 06:29 AM

Still as instantly winning as the unwiped genitalia of a month-dead leper.


'I've heard it but you can't'?

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 07:06 AM

Alright. Have found it on the internet - totally easy, by the way.

Although it´s only a snippet, I couldn´t resist. Damn.

First impression: oh. Okay. Where´s the melody? Jack White´s voice is extremely high. Why not choose someone who sings in a deeper register, opposed to Keyes high voice? The horns after the first chorus seem a bit wobbly. But I like the piano.

After having listened to it again and again...

... it´s really growing on me. I notice the melody. The similar pitched voices are probably chosen to represent the splitting personality of one person who could go either way, good or bad. The rhythm is really interesting. Everything is a little off to throw one off. This is not a tune to comfort you but to set you on edge.

While YKMN represented Bond´s driving forward personality, no holds barred, AWTD shows Bond questioning everything, being driven in any direction, trying to gain the upper hand.

STILL, this is only a snippet with bad sound quality. So... no final judgement until I´ve heard the whole song. But my anticipation is even higher now.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 07:19 AM

I have not heard it yet as my internet speed is very slow at the moment and it would take forever.

Good thing too, I think. :(

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 07:23 AM

I really, really like it!

Better than I was expecting after reading all the negative comments here and on MI6.co.uk.

I think it might not make a great 'pop' song, but it will make a fantastic track for the main titles. The Lyrics actually do make some sense - "and someone you think you can trust is just another way to die" is my particular favourite.

Agree that hearing it on a Coke ad then via a Spanish language radio station is a poor way to release a bond theme though. Now it's slowly dripping out they might as well bring forward the release and at least give other radio stations the go ahead to play it.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 07:43 AM

this sample is pure ownage !! love it. the threatrical version will be better. can't wait.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 08:22 AM

This sample is the best Bond song ever since YOLT ! Can't wait for the full on version too !

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 08:34 AM

"A phone on the table"... nod to Vesper?

Excellent point! I was trying to figure out that line, and that idea didn't even come to me. I like it very much.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 08:43 AM

Something I like to add for the naysayers... this clip is obviously an very low level mp3 recording boosted to wav from the sound of it, add extreme radio compression (feel that bass hz going humpf humpf ? it's the radio compressor), and it ruins what seems to be an excellent song. Wait until you hear the unalterated, full on CD and you will hear the difference.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 09:11 AM

I have not heard it yet as my internet speed is very slow at the moment and it would take forever.

Good thing too, I think. :(


Yes, that clip is bizarrely large in size.

I can't wait to hear a less compressed (and longer!) version.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 09:18 AM

Something I like to add for the naysayers... this clip is obviously an very low level mp3 recording boosted to wav from the sound of it, add extreme radio compression (feel that bass hz going humpf humpf ? it's the radio compressor), and it ruins what seems to be an excellent song. Wait until you hear the unalterated, full on CD and you will hear the difference.

I fear that some people have already made up their minds. The pro-Winehouse movement is still strong, if somewhat subdued, and they'll already be using thisas ammunition for their cause ... which is basically just going to invovle making a hell of a lot of noise on the forums, because there's no ay Winehouse will be involved in Quantum of Solace, and I do hope she releases her proposed ttle song out of spite because it means she wll never do a Bond theme and the series will have avoided a near-fatal error.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 09:42 AM

which is basically just going to invovle making a hell of a lot of noise

A bit like Jack White and Alicia Keys, then.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 09:54 AM

Well finally we have a Bond song worse than Madonna´s DAD.It didn´t take long....this song is so bad it belongs in an Austin Powers movie....Well why is the song bad simple.....No Dynamics....No Melody....no Counter Melody....Bad drum Loops and it sounds like a White Stripes track not a James Bond song.

James Bond has a sound called the James Bond Sound which Barry had in Spades.I´m worried about the score for this movie because that track will not be incorporated into the score and I feel the movie will suffer greatly from that as it might just come across as another Axtion movie and not a Bond movie

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 09:56 AM

Well, I rather like it. Not crazy about it, but I'm under the impression that it could work very well in context.

Anybody else thinks the drums / bass line is reminiscent of the "Come With Me" version from Godzilla, by Jimmy Page and P. Diddy?

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 09:58 AM

Something I like to add for the naysayers... this clip is obviously an very low level mp3 recording boosted to wav from the sound of it, add extreme radio compression (feel that bass hz going humpf humpf ? it's the radio compressor), and it ruins what seems to be an excellent song. Wait until you hear the unalterated, full on CD and you will hear the difference.




No you are wrong...This is a WAV. File and was never an mp3 file.I have the softwre to check these things.It was recorded of the internet as a WAV File by an audio program with recording capabilities such as Creative media players.
You won´t hear any difference in the instrumentation of the song.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 10:00 AM

You mean "Kashmir" ? I don't think so, but it's true this song is a bit "rapped", with a result similar to Puff Daddy rapping on Led Zeppelin's Kashmir.