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[SecretAgentFan]

Probably because they... wanna be. And have to be. And are.

[DamnCoffee]

Nahh. I think Arnold really proved himself with Casino Royale, I loved all of his other Bond scores aswell... Including Die Another Day.

[Mister E]

Nahh. I think Arnold really proved himself with Casino Royale, I loved all of his other Bond scores aswell... Including Die Another Day.

CR's score was generic action film scores just like all his other scores. They are mostly noise then music. I hope he is dumped very soon.

[DamnCoffee]

It was nothing like generic action! I loved his work on the quite scenes, like Blunt Instrument and Licence: 2 Kills and CCTV. Created alot of suspense.

[Mister E]

It was nothing like generic action! I loved his work on the quite scenes, like Blunt Instrument and Licence: 2 Kills and CCTV. Created alot of suspense.

They were all okay but he was the weakest thing about CASINO ROYALE. The only good thing he has ever done is AFRICAN RUNDOWN. Also I hope he doesn't over use the Bond theme like he does or makes it ridiculously loud for no reason.

[DamnCoffee]

The one thing I loved about Arnolds Bond scores is the different variations of the Bond theme.

[YOLT]

QOS feels like it captures "Classic Bond" but not GOLDFINGER onward but more like the first two Bond films. I am sick and tired of trying to repeat the success of one film, QOS would hopefully mark the end of fomulaic Bonds, at least for a while.

The formula is part of its DNA. You can't remove that. Though I would say that CASINO ROYALE marked a shift away from all that surely?

I never said the fomula has been or should be removed. What brought the series down was not the formula but imitations of the same movie, or movies, over and over again.

A James Bond film is not a James Bond film without 4 things: 007, Gunbarell , titles and the pre-titles. "The line",Q and Moneypenny comes second to me but they are important and would like to see them in the future.

However one thing that I dont want to see, which is being present in all the şast six films, is the Bond Car. Connery has the Austiin, Moore his Lotus and Dalton again Austin. But Brosnan had 3 BMW s and an Austin and Craig 2. Thats too much for me. Bring the "The line",Q and Moneypenny but leave the car !

[DamnCoffee]

I like the Austin... very groovy baby!

I think you mean the Aston my friend.

[Mister E]

QOS feels like it captures "Classic Bond" but not GOLDFINGER onward but more like the first two Bond films. I am sick and tired of trying to repeat the success of one film, QOS would hopefully mark the end of fomulaic Bonds, at least for a while.

The formula is part of its DNA. You can't remove that. Though I would say that CASINO ROYALE marked a shift away from all that surely?

I never said the fomula has been or should be removed. What brought the series down was not the formula but imitations of the same movie, or movies, over and over again.

A James Bond film is not a James Bond film without 4 things: 007, Gunbarell , titles and the pre-titles. "The line",Q and Moneypenny comes second to me but they are important and would like to see them in the future.

However one thing that I dont want to see, which is being present in all the şast six films, is the Bond Car. Connery has the Austiin, Moore his Lotus and Dalton again Austin. But Brosnan had 3 BMW s and an Austin and Craig 2. Thats too much for me. Bring the "The line",Q and Moneypenny but leave the car !

What you listed is more along the lines of cosmetic and not really the formula. The formula is beautiful locales, fine women, fine living, exoctic villians, wildly implausiable schemes, and danger. All not very specific and gives you room to always do something fun.

[YOLT]

I like the Austin... very groovy baby!

I think you mean the Aston my friend.

Was it Aston ? It seems I really hasted it (Not the one in GF

QOS feels like it captures "Classic Bond" but not GOLDFINGER onward but more like the first two Bond films. I am sick and tired of trying to repeat the success of one film, QOS would hopefully mark the end of fomulaic Bonds, at least for a while.

The formula is part of its DNA. You can't remove that. Though I would say that CASINO ROYALE marked a shift away from all that surely?

I never said the fomula has been or should be removed. What brought the series down was not the formula but imitations of the same movie, or movies, over and over again.

A James Bond film is not a James Bond film without 4 things: 007, Gunbarell , titles and the pre-titles. "The line",Q and Moneypenny comes second to me but they are important and would like to see them in the future.

However one thing that I dont want to see, which is being present in all the şast six films, is the Bond Car. Connery has the Austiin, Moore his Lotus and Dalton again Austin. But Brosnan had 3 BMW s and an Austin and Craig 2. Thats too much for me. Bring the "The line",Q and Moneypenny but leave the car !

What you listed is more along the lines of cosmetic and not really the formula. The formula is beautiful locales, fine women, fine living, exoctic villians, wildly implausiable schemes, and danger. All not very specific and gives you room to always do something fun.

Well you can have "your formula" in nearly every action-adventure film. So you call Never Say Never Again a proper James Bond film ? I dont think so

[SecretAgentFan]

It was nothing like generic action! I loved his work on the quite scenes, like Blunt Instrument and Licence: 2 Kills and CCTV. Created alot of suspense.

Same here. Arnold´s the right man for the job. Mister E is a bit prickly today.

[Mister E]

Well you can have "your formula" in nearly every action-adventure film.

That is what has made James Bond famous. The series did it first.

So you call Never Say Never Again a proper James Bond film ? I dont think so

Yes. Not a single force on earth will convince me DAD is and NSNA isn't.

Same here. Arnold´s the right man for the job. Mister E is a bit prickly today.

Always hated Arnold's work and always will.

[baerrtt]

I like the Austin... very groovy baby!

I think you mean the Aston my friend.

Was it Aston ? It seems I really hasted it (Not the one in GF

QOS feels like it captures "Classic Bond" but not GOLDFINGER onward but more like the first two Bond films. I am sick and tired of trying to repeat the success of one film, QOS would hopefully mark the end of fomulaic Bonds, at least for a while.

The formula is part of its DNA. You can't remove that. Though I would say that CASINO ROYALE marked a shift away from all that surely?

I never said the fomula has been or should be removed. What brought the series down was not the formula but imitations of the same movie, or movies, over and over again.

A James Bond film is not a James Bond film without 4 things: 007, Gunbarell , titles and the pre-titles. "The line",Q and Moneypenny comes second to me but they are important and would like to see them in the future.

However one thing that I dont want to see, which is being present in all the şast six films, is the Bond Car. Connery has the Austiin, Moore his Lotus and Dalton again Austin. But Brosnan had 3 BMW s and an Austin and Craig 2. Thats too much for me. Bring the "The line",Q and Moneypenny but leave the car !

What you listed is more along the lines of cosmetic and not really the formula. The formula is beautiful locales, fine women, fine living, exoctic villians, wildly implausiable schemes, and danger. All not very specific and gives you room to always do something fun.

Well you can have "your formula" in nearly every action-adventure film. So you call Never Say Never Again a proper James Bond film ? I dont think so

Beautiful locations, fine living and exotic villains don't appear in nearly every action-adventure movie. Q is in NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN and for some people that's a proper James Bond film. You should want more than variations of Bond flirting with Moneypenny, Bond bickering with Q and 'the line' cheesily and smugly said every time.

Yes it's entertainment and comfort entertainment at that but there came a point when those aspects of the formula dictated the tone of the subsequent films which meant that 'gritty' entries (pre CR) were thought as nothing of the sort by the general public because if you continually shoehorn that stuff into 'darker' films you get the Dalton films with their gloriously inconsistent tone.

I've always loved the fact that this franchise can have films as different (surface and plotwise) as MOONRAKER and LICENCE TO KILL yet closer inspection upon rewatching the films (until CR) leads me to believe that the production team(s) haven't been completely able to stick to the appropriate tone of the'serious' ones post FRWL.

I'm not saying they should be completely humourless (CR wasn't and QOS probably won't be) but the decision to close a supposed revenge story like LTK with Leiter acting like the happiest hospital patient, Bond forgiven by M and of course the winking fish JARS with the supposed attempt by the producers to make films people wouldn't dismiss.

EON are clearly sticking to their principles this time and for that alone good on them.

[DamnCoffee]

yolt has commented on the audience response...

People loved it. People were confused by the ending though. Bond does resign. But unlike the other films, the final shot is him walking away. It felt like this could be the last one, and it threw people off. Not like in ohmss, or ltk or even dad, this feels like Bond is really ready to leave and M understands. I don't have a clue hw Bond 23 will come out of this. But we were assurred Daniel will be back.
People loved it. What the producers do so damn well is that they balance everything well. FYEO and CR are examples of well balanced Bond films. They have hurmour nut the plot carries the movie and the characters are developed, compared to MR and OP which play too much on comedy or action. Here we get the drama out of Craig as well as Bond trying to get his revenge but noticing how it is tearing him from his duty, and how he has to face his deamons before they consume him like Camille. BUT...there is plenty of action to boot, and Craig won't be see as the Morrisory type Bond, as he truly kicks everyones , the fight scenes are great.

[Simon Beavis]

I don't know. All these deaths. Bond resigning. Watch Bond 23 open with Bond on a shrink's couch.

A shrink he'll end up screwing before the opening credits.

He had a shrink in Goldeneye. They had that nice little joyride in Monte Carlo.

Seriously, I doubt they'll go that far. I would guess that in Bond 23, Bond would be in New York, learning to have a little fun again, perhaps working in private security (the money in that field is REALLY sweet, and people with his training do well there). Bond would be approached by Leiter or a mutual acquaintance of James and Felix (depending on Jeffrey Wright's availability), eventually ends doing battle with a Jack Spang type, making his peace with MI6 along the way, and rejoining MI6 by the time the movie is over. Then in Bond 24, Bond and Greene have their long-awaited rematch (but only if Craig and Almaric are both back for such a situation).

[Harmsway]

I don't know. All these deaths. Bond resigning. Watch Bond 23 open with Bond on a shrink's couch.

Well, he was seeing Sir James Moloney in Fleming's YOLT. Wouldn't be that crazy.

[Conlazmoodalbrocra]

I don't know. All these deaths. Bond resigning. Watch Bond 23 open with Bond on a shrink's couch.

A shrink he'll end up screwing before the opening credits.

He had a shrink in Goldeneye. They had that nice little joyride in Monte Carlo.

Seriously, I doubt they'll go that far. I would guess that in Bond 23, Bond would be in New York, learning to have a little fun again, perhaps working in private security (the money in that field is REALLY sweet, and people with his training do well there). Bond would be approached by Leiter or a mutual acquaintance of James and Felix (depending on Jeffrey Wright's availability), eventually ends doing battle with a Jack Spang type, making his peace with MI6 along the way, and rejoining MI6 by the time the movie is over. Then in Bond 24, Bond and Greene have their long-awaited rematch (but only if Craig and Almaric are both back for such a situation).

You know that's not half bad! I'm gonna have to think up a name for that How about Risico? lol! But seriously, IF yolt's post turns out to be legit, this type of situation would be great for Bond 23. In a way I hope Quantum Of Solace doesn't turn out completely the way yolt has described, but there are definitely parts of it I hope are true.

[Quantumofsolace007]

If bond does quit the service it raises a lot of questions for Bond 23 which in my opnion is good


I'm on the fence but leaning toward yes this is true.

though if it's not true so long as Quantum of Solace is amazing i'm happy:)

if YOLT is telling the truth than QOS will be amazing

[Mister E]

I don't know. All these deaths. Bond resigning. Watch Bond 23 open with Bond on a shrink's couch.

A shrink he'll end up screwing before the opening credits.

He had a shrink in Goldeneye. They had that nice little joyride in Monte Carlo.

Seriously, I doubt they'll go that far. I would guess that in Bond 23, Bond would be in New York, learning to have a little fun again, perhaps working in private security (the money in that field is REALLY sweet, and people with his training do well there). Bond would be approached by Leiter or a mutual acquaintance of James and Felix (depending on Jeffrey Wright's availability), eventually ends doing battle with a Jack Spang type, making his peace with MI6 along the way, and rejoining MI6 by the time the movie is over. Then in Bond 24, Bond and Greene have their long-awaited rematch (but only if Craig and Almaric are both back for such a situation).

I really don't want a re-match with Greene but I love your idea with Bond going private and working in New York ! Or working for Pinkertons. That would make a great excuse for Bond re-join MI6.

Edited by Mister E, 04 September 2008 - 08:32 PM.

[Marketto007]

So, we all here believe in this guy?

xxx

[Mister E]

So, we all here believe in this guy?

xxx

I do so that means everyone does.

[JackWade]

The fact that people are dissecting the gunbarrel like this is a sad, sad example of the lowest low of fanboyism.

What's worse? Them writing it, or you reading all of their contributions, getting offended and then trying to belittle people for it.

I'm not trying to belittle anyone. I'm just stating a fact. Chatting over the angle of Bond's right in the gunbarrel is the pinnacle of fanboy radicalism.

I'm not trying to offend anyone (and I'm certainly not going to say that I'm not a Bond fanboy). I'm just calling it as it is.

[Mister E]

I'm not trying to belittle anyone. I'm just stating a fact. Chatting over the angle of Bond's right in the gunbarrel is the pinnacle of fanboy radicalism.

If your talking about when I compared Moore's gunbarrels, that dosen't take much thought. You can see he moved his arm in the first two he did and didn't look good.

[Invincible1958]

I would guess that in Bond 23, Bond would be in New York, learning to have a little fun again, perhaps working in private security (the money in that field is REALLY sweet, and people with his training do well there).

I really don't want a re-match with Greene but I love your idea with Bond going private and working in New York !

James Bond likes New York ("007 in New York")
Ian Fleming didn't like New York ("Thrilling Cities")

But I doubt that Bond would go to New York if he leaves the Secret Service.
He would travel through Europe like he does in Sebastian Faulks "Devil May Care", and probably stay in Rome or so.

On the other hand: I don't think that we will ever see Bond in his private life on the big screen. So it will be something like this:

QUANTUM blackmails the MI6 and urges them to send James Bond. A little bit like in FRWL, when SPECTRE uses Tanya to get Bond. And so 'M' has to get him back. But we won't see Bond until he's about to be back on board.

[Conlazmoodalbrocra]

I would guess that in Bond 23, Bond would be in New York, learning to have a little fun again, perhaps working in private security (the money in that field is REALLY sweet, and people with his training do well there).

I really don't want a re-match with Greene but I love your idea with Bond going private and working in New York !

James Bond likes New York ("007 in New York")
Ian Fleming didn't like New York ("Thrilling Cities")

But I doubt that Bond would go to New York if he leaves the Secret Service.
He would travel through Europe like he does in Sebastian Faulks "Devil May Care", and probably stay in Rome or so.

On the other hand: I don't think that we will ever see Bond in his private life on the big screen. So it will be something like this:

QUANTUM blackmails the MI6 and urges them to send James Bond. A little bit like in FRWL, when SPECTRE uses Tanya to get Bond. And so 'M' has to get him back. But we won't see Bond until he's about to be back on board.

Perhaps...

[Mister E]

But I doubt that Bond would go to New York if he leaves the Secret Service.
He would travel through Europe like he does in Sebastian Faulks "Devil May Care", and probably stay in Rome or so.

Well I never liked Devil May Care, it was half assed. I can see Bond in New York, the town has his name all over it, Fleming loved to use it as a location, and it would be perfect to set up some private investigation business.

On the other hand: I don't think that we will ever see Bond in his private life on the big screen. So it will be something like this:

That idea wasn't about his private life, it was about what would he do if he was to leave the service.

QUANTUM blackmails the MI6 and urges them to send James Bond. A little bit like in FRWL, when SPECTRE uses Tanya to get Bond. And so 'M' has to get him back. But we won't see Bond until he's about to be back on board.

Quantum wants Bond back in the service ? That sounds pretty weak and forced. What would be a more sensible idea is if Bond stumbled upon a Quantum project by accident.

[YOLT]

Is it real that in Bond 23 007 goes to Switzerland near his aunt. And QUANTUM strikes back. And we see a magnificent ski-chase ?

[Mr. Osato]

...after CR would the producers really offer another "downbeat" ending? As well as two deceased girls? ...it's all a bit depressing (& somewhat repetitive of CR).

[Invincible1958]

Quantum wants Bond back in the service ? That sounds pretty weak and forced. What would be a more sensible idea is if Bond stumbled upon a Quantum project by accident.

Okay. You got me. That was a bad idea.

...after CR would the producers really offer another "downbeat" ending? As well as two deceased girls? ...it's all a bit depressing (& somewhat repetitive of CR).

I don't find it depressing at all.
In every Marc Forster film there is HOPE at the end. And that's not depressing at all. It's never "Everything is fine now", but "Everything can be fine in the future". And that kind of feeling is not depressing for me.

Edited by Invincible1958, 04 September 2008 - 09:38 PM.

[JimmyBond]

Is it real that in Bond 23 007 goes to Switzerland near his aunt. And QUANTUM strikes back. And we see a magnificent ski-chase ?

.......

Yes. Yes it is.