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[JimmyBond]

Ok, I see what you're saying, but I still think the turn and fire motion in TSWLM is too slow, but the stance is much better.

[Mister E]

Ok, I see what you're saying, but I still think the turn and fire motion in TSWLM is too slow, but the stance is much better.

Maybe but then again the gunbarrels are far more about prestentation then realism.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Ok, I see what you're saying, but I still think the turn and fire motion in TSWLM is too slow, but the stance is much better.

Maybe but then again the gunbarrels are far more about prestentation then realism.

Hmmmm, maybe you could categorize them?

Most Elegant: Dalton
Best Stance: Lazenby
Most Realistic: Simmons, Connery
Fakest: Moore II, Brosnan
Quickest: Moore I, Craig

[JackWade]

The fact that people are dissecting the gunbarrel like this is a sad, sad example of the lowest low of fanboyism.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

How does Elvis Die?

Plane crash.

This guy's very creative and has a good handle of the spoilers out there but he hasn't seen the film. At least that's what I'm getting. I had thought that Elvis might might his end in that tumble down the stairs. Well I know now that's not the case but he doesn't die in a plane crash either. The truth is I don't know exactly how he dies but I know he's still around post eco-park fundraiser and aerial sequence. There is evidence out there to support what I'm saying but I don't want to make things easier for them the next time they try pulling a fast one. If you want to know what I'm referring to, PM me. If not keep a sharp eye out for everything in one of the more recent video blogs.

[jaguar007]

I hear for Craig's gunbarrel he doesn't even use a gun. He walks, tunrs and punches the guy with the gun

[Mister E]

Best Stance: Lazenby

Yes Laz had the best one. I want to see Craig do it.

[Shot Your Bolt]

The fact that people are dissecting the gunbarrel like this is a sad, sad example of the lowest low of fanboyism.

Actually, I've seen once. That had this HUGE 200+ reply thread about which Bond STRAIGHTEN HIS TIE THE BEST. The talked about how Moore did it like was a gag, but it was own thing, or how Bronsnan did it sarcastically, as if he was laughing at the "tradition".

I was dumbstruck.

[TaoMike]

I'm not quite sure what to think, frankly (an attitude I share with quite a few here, I'm sure). The details sound pretty convincing, and yet...

I'm a little suspicious because of what isn't mentioned. I have to wonder why there was absolutely no mention of what Greene's actual plot is. Granted, maybe it's a just a generic, throwaway "evil scheme" which is less important than the "emotional" stuff. But still, you'd think the reviewer would at least touch on what Greene is up to with Bolivia's water supply. (Apart from that mention of Greene and White wanting to purchase something from "Haines".) Hell, it's not like he's afraid of spoilers...

Edited by TaoMike, 04 September 2008 - 02:49 AM.

[00Twelve]

I also think they had the perfect opportunity to use Fleming's YOLT ending in modified form, and wish they'd taken it.

Nah, I'd have hated to see the revenge exacted on Tracy's behalf shoehorned into the Vesper storyline. That wasn't how Bond reacted to Vesper. Tracy had been Bond's second chance, the redemption that was going to succeed where his relationship with Vesper ultimately failed. This time the girl loved him 100% with no devious reservations, but was ripped from him anyway. I'd hate to see the YOLT novel's revenge angle used for anything but that. Either they'll retell the OHMSS story sometime down the line (long after Craig) and then do YOLT properly, or it's going to be left in the vault along with all the other lamentable missed opportunities.

Based on this review, its credibility notwithstanding, this film sounds like the type of Bond film that fans like myself have been ready for. I'm tired of camp, tired of shallow characterization, tired of all the things that plagued the Bond franchise for the past 3 decades. It really seems that the pairing of CR and QOS will be a phenomenal return to great form that sees the Bond films taking themselves as seriously as the books did.

Fingers crossed.

[JimmyBond]

The fact that people are dissecting the gunbarrel like this is a sad, sad example of the lowest low of fanboyism.

Really? I think it's a bit of fun to get into a discussion about trivial stuff such as this.

Of course this is coming from someone who participated in a 10 page discussion on who would win: Robocop or Terminator

[Jim]

How does Elvis Die?

Plane crash.

Nah.

Dies on the toilet.

[JimmyBond]

How does Elvis Die?

Plane crash.

Nah.

Dies on the toilet.

Maybe he's in the loo when the plane goes down?

[Harmsway]

It really seems that the pairing of CR and QOS will be a phenomenal return to great form that sees the Bond films taking themselves as seriously as the books did.

From the sounds of things, QUANTUM OF SOLACE might be taking itself more seriously than the books ever did.

Not that that's a bad thing, mind you.

[Blofeld's Cat]

How does Elvis Die?

Plane crash.

Nah.

Dies on the toilet.

Maybe he's in the loo when the plane goes down?

Nothing worse than a plane going down on you while you're in the loo.

[SecretAgentFan]

So, I´m trying to get used to have read a very thorough review that was not fake...

The many deaths in QOS clearly are a shock to me.

And I don´t know how I feel about the ending. I mean - why does he have to quit? Everybody knows that he will rejoin in Bond 23. It´s an un-twisty twist. Or is this supposed to end Craig´s tenure?

[Jim]

The fact that people are dissecting the gunbarrel like this is a sad, sad example of the lowest low of fanboyism.

A low, certainly, but the lowest low? Wait until they start discussing watches.

[SecretAgentFan]

In fact, would Craig take off his watch for a love scene? Brosnan didn´t. Did he want to time his stint with Elektra? Or wasn´t he able to undress fully beofre she attacked him with her sex drive? Did the Mi6 sponsor forbid every agent to take off corporate gifts? Or did Q install a little camera in it so he and M and Moneypenny could see their man in action?

[doubler83]

Re: Gunbarrel.

Bond should walk on, do a ballet jump through the air, give us a twist and then shoot from the hip. That'll put the butts in seats.

I don't know. All these deaths. Bond resigning. Watch Bond 23 open with Bond on a shrink's couch.

A shrink he'll end up screwing before the opening credits.

Edited by doubler83, 04 September 2008 - 08:07 AM.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

The fact that people are dissecting the gunbarrel like this is a sad, sad example of the lowest low of fanboyism.

What's worse? Them writing it, or you reading all of their contributions, getting offended and then trying to belittle people for it.

[SecretAgentFan]

I think, the belittle-part is the most fun part.

C´mon, relax.

Dissect the gunbarrel as much as you like. But to actually think that the gunbarrel-discussion really leads anywhere is like debating which of Connery´s hairpieces was the most spy-like.

Having said that, I like Brosnan´s gunbarrel. And the FRWL hairpiece.

[Zorin Industries]

QOS feels like it captures "Classic Bond" but not GOLDFINGER onward but more like the first two Bond films. I am sick and tired of trying to repeat the success of one film, QOS would hopefully mark the end of fomulaic Bonds, at least for a while.

The formula is part of its DNA. You can't remove that. Though I would say that CASINO ROYALE marked a shift away from all that surely?

[Mr Teddy Bear]

I think, the belittle-part is the most fun part.

C´mon, relax.

Dissect the gunbarrel as much as you like. But to actually think that the gunbarrel-discussion really leads anywhere is like debating which of Connery´s hairpieces was the most spy-like.

Having said that, I like Brosnan´s gunbarrel. And the FRWL hairpiece.

I'm plenty relaxed. Sure, discussing Con's hair piece isn't productive, but that's hardly the point of fan forums is it? Besides, having shots out others for the fun of it is hardly productive either.

[Zorin Industries]

The fact that people are dissecting the gunbarrel like this is a sad, sad example of the lowest low of fanboyism.

What's worse? Them writing it, or you reading all of their contributions, getting offended and then trying to belittle people for it.

Secret Agent Fan does have a point I'm afraid. He touches upon a growing paranoia about elements of James Bond films that really do not affect the quality of the finished product but some people can't see the wood for the trees.

Yes, there's no excuse for being rude. But there is also no excuse for not putting things in perspective. We are all fans of the series and books for different reasons. Though I'm not sure the chuffin gunbarrel logo is one of mine...

[baerrtt]

The fact that people are dissecting the gunbarrel like this is a sad, sad example of the lowest low of fanboyism.

What's worse? Them writing it, or you reading all of their contributions, getting offended and then trying to belittle people for it.

Secret Agent Fan does have a point I'm afraid. He touches upon a growing paranoia about elements of James Bond films that really do not affect the quality of the finished product but some people can't see the wood for the trees.

Yes, there's no excuse for being rude. But there is also no excuse for not putting things in perspective. We are all fans of the series and books for different reasons. Though I'm not sure the chuffin gunbarrel logo is one of mine...

When ppl are fans of things that have certain elements from day one it doesn't surprise me that people rate the quality of those 'elements' in accordance with the overall quality of the product, as nonsensical as it might be.

For example I've read Doctor Who fans who list their top problem with the new series as the TARDIS police box prop not being the right size (I wish I was joking about this) or why David Tennant's face isn't swirling in the vortex before the title comes up (the WHO equivalent of the gunbarrell).

If such.....dedication was unique to Bond fans I'd be rolling my eyes a lot more than I do yet it's touching to know that all fans are a bit mad .

[Mr Teddy Bear]

If such.....dedication was unique to Bond fans I'd be rolling my eyes a lot more than I do yet it's touching to know that all fans are a bit mad .

Precisely. I just don't think it's worth getting in a huff over. It's pretty much the internet message board culture. Plus, I'm quite fond of the gunbarrel and all its intricacies. Does that mean if not executed to my tastes it will sour the whole film for me? No. But I don't see any problem with discussing fanboyish topics on a fanboy forum.

Edited by Mr Teddy Bear, 04 September 2008 - 01:52 PM.

[Simon Beavis]

QOS feels like it captures "Classic Bond" but not GOLDFINGER onward but more like the first two Bond films. I am sick and tired of trying to repeat the success of one film, QOS would hopefully mark the end of fomulaic Bonds, at least for a while.

The formula is part of its DNA. You can't remove that. Though I would say that CASINO ROYALE marked a shift away from all that surely?

A formula can be tweaked, revised, upgraded, modernized for a while, but after a while, but eventually, all the variations will be used up, and you'll have to reinvent the wheel. (Set the rules -> bend the rules -> forget the rules.)

Take the band AC/DC for example. They came up a formula, and for the first 10 years of their existence, they were able to find ways to tweak and subvert it. Arubably, Back In Blackwas their Goldfinger. But after that...

[Mister E]

QOS feels like it captures "Classic Bond" but not GOLDFINGER onward but more like the first two Bond films. I am sick and tired of trying to repeat the success of one film, QOS would hopefully mark the end of fomulaic Bonds, at least for a while.

The formula is part of its DNA. You can't remove that. Though I would say that CASINO ROYALE marked a shift away from all that surely?

I never said the fomula has been or should be removed. What brought the series down was not the formula but imitations of the same movie, or movies, over and over again.

[DamnCoffee]

Quite interested by the guys comment, it doesn't feel like a Bond movie. I think when Arnold completes the score and edits it in to the final picture, it will feel more Bondain. I know it's not just the music that captures the feel of a Bond movie, but it greatly helps.

[Mister E]

Quite interested by the guys comment, it doesn't feel like a Bond movie. I think when Arnold completes the score and edits it in to the final picture, it will feel more Bondain. I know it's not just the music that captures the feel of a Bond movie, but it greatly helps.

Arnold's scores have always been "wannabe Bondian" to me.