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[casinoroyale11234]

From IMDb:
Hi guys.

I was able to get the chnace to see the film at the test screening at the So Ho hotel. It was a great expereince and I was able to watch the flick with a great mixed auidence, also the screening room was so lush! But all that aside let's talk about the actuall movie.
I haven't decided whether to make this a spoiler filled review or not, but if you want to avoid facts about the movie look away.

Okay:

Daniel is really on form. i mean Bond mucks about a lot. He gets in a load of trouble and laughs it off. This Bond is like nothing we're seen before. He's raw and bloody, but also charismatic in a real sadistic way. You empathise with Bond, and really root for him. unlike the other films where you know he'll win, this time you're pretty convinced hes going to *beep* up. This comes through at the end when Greene's hotel burns down. Bond is actually *beep* but still has to save the day.
The film opens with a great car chase, think Bourne but on a much grander scale, Dan bradley clearly has a budget to play with becasue from the word go who just rip roars into things. If people are worried where the film picks up, the first sht is Bond dragging a screaming White and throwing him into his boot.
We saw some visuals that we were told were incomplete as the main titles, with a generic CR piece of music playing over, which was a little bit of a mood killer. the song has still to be added and the titles to correspond with it.
But the interrogation scene is intence! M is trying to get answers, but White keeps taughting Bond abot Vesper. How she begged them not to kill Bond, he's lauhging in his face. This just makes Bond angry, even M sences it. And get this..she emptys out the room, to give Bond a minute 'alone' with White, as soon as the mi6 team leave the room Bond smacks him clean in the face, very very brutal! But onto the action: there is a clear shift here from CR, CR was big, loud and proud, here everything looks like it really *beep* hurt! The actual chase through the sewers and the chase on the street last about a minute either way and the roof top chase is hadly that great, but the art gallery fight is pretty awe-inspiring.
The film improves on Cr greatly as the pacing works well, Cr did drag, we were told after the cut we watched was about 2 hours and will likely be cut down further. The things that did not work, Gemma Arterton, she nearly ruins the movie. Terribly wooden and fake. You feel she's there for the sake of just having another girl. Unimpressed. Bond with his licence to kill...get this....dosen't kill Greene! The guy lives! There's a little set up for the next one there as well, where we kinda sorta meet the head of the organization. Felix is underused. He's in the first half and hour then dissappears, only to turn up a little at the end. Despite what you're heard there is not double the action. After the Siena chase we're greated by the boat chase. This is great as Slate is send on a call to kill Camille after Bond kills him and she's convinced he is Slate and despite the fact he saves her life on the boat she still trys to kill him! Very good. Then there's a little action in Austria, but it's more of a suspence scene which really furhters the plot and we get to see the real Greene. Then the plane fight, which is too amazing for words, you feel like your there, the camera moves around in clean 360 swifts and really carries the momentum along. Camille is a great character maybe the best Bond girl. Just becasue she is like Bond in every way, there is even a bit when Bond sees Camille plan the final death of Greene and sees what will happen to him if he lets his revenge eat him up like it has to her, and it sort of breaks his heart a little. But like CR, Bond lost at the end and he loses here. In conventional Bond land Camille would kill Greene and the picture would end with Bond and the girl. Here Greene kills Camille, leaving Bond to take on Greene...there's a final plot twist when Bond is about to kill him, only to leave him behind. It's an odd moment, Bond notices that if he kills Greene he'll be as bad as Camille and the last thing he wants is to be as desperate and on the edge as she was. It's sort of symbolic that he decides to let Greene die slowly and alone in the desert opposed to kill him, but Greene gets a little salvation at the end of the picture.....he gets saved!!!!But we don't see their faces, just them flying away in a copter, he'll be back, i'm sure of it. Felix gives all the details on Medrano, who untill the finale really works as the films main villain, despite what the press for the film suggests it's onlt at the end does Greene really come to the forefront. Mathis is in the film a lot more then in CR.
For thse who were wondering if the Quantum of Solace story is used, then rest assured. On a plane trip to Boliva where Mathis orders the famous Vesper martini, Bond gets angry only for Mathis to explain that Bond is upset as he is missing the Quantum of Solace from Vesper. Bond thinks it's all a bit of silliness only when Mathis dies does he notice that his ally was actually giving him a clue as to the organization, which is named QUANTUM. Bond is sort of impressed, but Camille is less then. When Mathis dies and Bond kills the guys who did it, he's actually *beep* pissed and very upset, he wants to look after Mathis as the pair had bonded by this point, but Camille just wants to go to the desert and tail Greene, telling Bond to 'leave the body', but Bond ain't having none of that *beep* This guy has feelings, MI^ are convinced that he's some cold hearted bastard who neds reigning in but the truth is that the whole 'Solace' angle comes in here, as Bond sort of rediscovers his humanity, and sees what it really means to be a spy and do the job. When he captures Vesper's boyfrind, the last scene of the movie is him resigning to M, and she telling him he'll never be the same after everything he's seen over the last few months. He dosen't seem to care as anything seems better then the life he has at the moment. It's sort of touching to see Bond walk away from the service at th end, the final shot if him walking away as the camera follows his cold blue eyes starring back at us, then cut to black. The credits had no music, and it fitted the sombre attitude of the film. This felt like it could be the last Bond ever, of course it won't and some how he'll end up back in mi6 but it was like.............remeber that feeling you got at the end of TDK, you were pumped but something isdoe of you was glad it ended the way it did, it felt complete and that a story had been told in full. Here I got the same feeling plus some, CR left you gagging for more. Here the CR Vesper story comes to an end, and you, like Bond himself, are glad you're got your answers and are happy to move on.
But Bond 23 is 100% happening, after the screening people were like: "Is that the last one?" It ain't, it's just the producers way of rounding off the Vesper story. Vesry good film, maybe not as good a 'Bond film' as CR, it has less of the tradtional gimmicks as the last movie did, there's no reference to 'shakern not stirred' not does Bond say 'that' line. But as a Bond it is by far superoir to CR, it works better if you view it outside the series as it is so different from anything the Bond team have done beofre. I loved The Dark Knight like it was one of my own, but this is by far better

[Mister E]

Bull , lock this thread.

[dinovelvet]

Well, anything posted on the imdb must be taken with a grain of salt, BUT it is around the same time as the Casino Royale test screening from London two years ago.

[Mister E]

Well, anything posted on the imdb must be taken with a grain of salt, BUT it is around the same time as the Casino Royale test screening from London two years ago.

You can never really follow the same time table for a Bond film.

[Royal Dalton]

Sounds legit, and I hope it is.

[dinovelvet]

Well, anything posted on the imdb must be taken with a grain of salt, BUT it is around the same time as the Casino Royale test screening from London two years ago.

You can never really follow the same time table for a Bond film.

Well I remember TWINE had a similar London preview around late Aug/early Sep, I don't know about DAD, but Aint it cool ran a test screening review of CR in early Sep, and everything in that review turned out to be accurate. Obviously as it comes from the least reliable movie forum on the web its a bit suspicious, but I want to point out there's a possibility that this is legit.

[jaguar007]

I remember a bunch of people who "claimed" to see CR at a test screening but clearly did not. This does sound like alot of detail for someone to make up.

[Mister E]

This says Greene lives ? Crap.

This does sound like alot of detail for someone to make up.

It's not like people don't make up details.

[Tiin007]

I donno...I have a funny feeling that this is indeed legit. Which is why I'm slightly dissapointed to have read it-- WAY too many spoilers. Someone should put an extra warning in the title of this thread, as even many spoiler-friendly people may not want to read all this.

[casinoroyale11234]

FYI, Casino Royale was also screened in the So Ho hotel, and YOLT isn't known to post garbage but anything is possible to IMDb

[Mister E]

If Greene actually lives, that means this would have to continue into Bond 23 and didn't MGW said that Bond 23 would not tie into this story ?

[coco1997]

I have this tiny, tiny inkling that this could be legit. It just bothers me that these "insiders" are always so prone to making spelling and grammar errors.

[Harmsway]

Sounds like it could be legit. Of course everything from IMDB has to be taken lightly, but it wouldn't be the first time an advance review came out that was right-on.

As far as I'm concerned, it all sounds rather good. And a final scene where Bond really quits the service? That puts BOND 23 in a really interesting place. It's not the first time we've seen Bond try and do this, but it's really surprising as a finale.

[Mister E]

Sounds like it could be legit. Of course everything from IMDB has to be taken lightly, but it wouldn't be the first time an advance review came out that was right-on.

Those are usually the ones that aren't from forum posters that are legit.

[Harmsway]

If Greene actually lives, that means this would have to continue into Bond 23 and didn't MGW said that Bond 23 would not tie into this story ?

Actually I don't believe he said anything of the sort. In fact, all comments indicated otherwise - that QUANTUM OF SOLACE would be a relatively complete film, but Bond would still have to reckon with the organization in later films.

Sounds like it could be legit. Of course everything from IMDB has to be taken lightly, but it wouldn't be the first time an advance review came out that was right-on.

Those are usually the ones that aren't from forum posters that are legit.

The ones that aren't posted on forums have a better percentage rate for accuracy, but there have been plenty of legitimate advance screening reviews posted on IMDB. So while I'm not putting much stock in this review, I'm not going to rule it out, either.

[Mister E]

but Bond would still have to reckon with the organization in later films.

But not nessecarily in Bond 23. I am afraid of this Bond quitting the service at the end thing if it's true. They are going to have to make his return EXTREMELY interesting and that is going to be very hard to pull off.

Edited by Mister E, 02 September 2008 - 02:43 AM.

[JimmyBond]

I skimmed it a bit in the middle because unlike CR, I don't really want to be to spoiled for this movie. What I read makes me excited though, especially saying the action is more brutal and real.

[Mister E]

If this leaving the service business is true then I hope they make it last until Bond 24.

[The Dove]

Woah!! Very intriguing!! Ok, I should be cautious and take this with a grain of salt, but like others here have posted, I'm inclined to believe there may be a shread of truth to this guy's posting.. It sounds ing awesome, if it is indeed the actuall plotline!!
Hmm no music at the end credits? Puzzling, but maybe David Arnold's score has yet to be added to the film. The reviewer does say that the final title sequence and soundtrack were not in the film, as is the case with most films when they are screened for the first time.

[coco1997]

I wonder if he was able to see the new gunbarrel sequence?

[Captain Tightpants]

So if it's something negative about the film, it's obviously fake because it's from the IMdB ... but if it's something positive, then it has to be true?

Am I the only one who finds that weird?

[JimmyBond]

So if it's something negative about the film, it's obviously fake because it's from the IMdB ... but if it's something positive, then it has to be true?

Am I the only one who finds that weird?

People want to believe the movie they've been anticipating for the past two years isnt a turkey. It's understandable.

But yeah, weird.

[Harmsway]

So if it's something negative about the film, it's obviously fake because it's from the IMdB ... but if it's something positive, then it has to be true?

Nobody, from what I can see, said it was true.

[kneelbeforezod]

"there is even a bit when Bond sees Camille plan the final death of Greene and sees what will happen to him if he lets his revenge eat him up like it has to her, and it sort of breaks his heart a little"

Has this aspect of the film (Bond sees Camille get consumed by revenge, and learns from it) been brought up before? Its the first I've heard of it, but it sounds very believable. It also sounds too good for that rather inarticulate imdb poster to have made up...

[coco1997]

All that stuff with Camille and her revenge reminds me a lot of "FYEO."

[Mister E]

All that stuff with Camille and her revenge reminds me a lot of "FYEO."

Yeah but it sounds a hell of alot better. Though I doubt the reviewer, I like alot these ideas.

[Harmsway]

Has this aspect of the film (Bond sees Camille get consumed by revenge, and learns from it) been brought up before?

Yeah, it has.

[uncanny]

Even though the source may not be reliable, I'm a bit surprised with the decision to kill off both Bond Girls in both "Casino Royale" and "Quantum of Solace."

[Mr. Osato]

The film has not been test screened.

..And for someone who had a chance to "view" the film -- this is certainly a most disjointed and scattered review.

The spoilers are a bit too outrageous to take too seriously. Look for some legit spoiler reviews closer to the films opening date.

[Germanlady]

But Bond 23 is 100% happening, after the screening people were like: "Is that the last one?" It ain't, it's just the producers way of rounding off the Vesper story. Vesry good film, maybe not as good a 'Bond film' as CR, it has less of the tradtional gimmicks as the last movie did, there's no reference to 'shakern not stirred' not does Bond say 'that' line. But as a Bond it is by far superoir to CR, it works better if you view it outside the series as it is so different from anything the Bond team have done beofre. I loved The Dark Knight like it was one of my own, but this is by far better

He doesn´t seem to be able to decide - whether its a good "Bond" film or not.