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[Safari Suit]

Naturally anything posted on an IMDB message board gives me doubts but IF the information is true it sounds like we've got a Marc Forster film which just happens to have James Bond as it's lead character.

I don't see that at all.

Nearly all of Forster's films have had it's lead characters being redeemed after some very tragic experiences. I'm not saying it's a bad thing though. If nothing else the results will make for an interesting film (which you always get with Forster) and in a franchise that at one point seemed saturated with so many GOLDFINGER wannabes that's a relief.

I think that's a fairly standard cinematic theme though, especially in the action genre.

Frankly, I am not a fan of Foster, as I feel "quirky" films like Stranger Than Fiction and Fiding Neverland occupy a far lower cinematic rung than even the most formulaic and lazy Bond picture, but I can see that he is talented and fully believe he will deliver a good movie.

[Germanlady]

I think, there is only one thing, we need to make sure. WAS THERE A SCREENING? Here one says yes, one no? There must be people out there, who know. And also there would be other reviews out by now, don´t you think?

[Col. Sun]

I think, there is only one thing, we need to make sure. WAS THERE A SCREENING? Here one says yes, one no? There must be people out there, who know. And also there would be other reviews out by now, don´t you think?

They would have done a small preview test screening by now. They are done using the directors and producers agreed cut, just a fraction of time ( a week or 2) before they lock down the final cut. The audience reaction and Q and A after the screening with a few select audience members helps the filmmakers make final decisions before locking the film.

The audience is normally asked to not blab about the film afterwards; but people talk -- so I think you're right, others may come forward to confirm the preview.

[baerrtt]

Naturally anything posted on an IMDB message board gives me doubts but IF the information is true it sounds like we've got a Marc Forster film which just happens to have James Bond as it's lead character.

I don't see that at all.

Nearly all of Forster's films have had it's lead characters being redeemed after some very tragic experiences. I'm not saying it's a bad thing though. If nothing else the results will make for an interesting film (which you always get with Forster) and in a franchise that at one point seemed saturated with so many GOLDFINGER wannabes that's a relief.

I think that's a fairly standard cinematic theme though, especially in the action genre.

Frankly, I am not a fan of Foster, as I feel "quirky" films like Stranger Than Fiction and Fiding Neverland occupy a far lower cinematic rung than even the most formulaic and lazy Bond picture, but I can see that he is talented and fully believe he will deliver a good movie.

Forster doesn't just make 'quirky' films (MONSTER'S BALL, THE KITE RUNNER). Tim Burton (a director I like) makes more self consciously quirkly films than Forster who at least doesn't let his love of onscreen weirdness overtake his themes.

For the action genre recently (TDK) you're right that the film's apparent theme isn't new. However look at what people have taken (positive and negatively) from Bond films over the years. Movies that eventually progressed to having clearly labelled good guys and bad guys not always to their benefit.

The Craig era is thematically telling us what Fleming (to an extent) told us back in the 50s. When shorn of any heroic context Bond's tactics are morally dubious and rather than a love interest Camille it seems is being used as an extreme reflection of Bond abandoning his humanity in order to kill and be satisfied by that compulsion.

As I said if nothing else if the poster is accurate we're getting a very interesting movie this year.

[Safari Suit]

Forster doesn't just make 'quirky' films (MONSTER'S BALL, THE KITE RUNNER).

He is indeed versatile, which is one of the reasons I concede he is talented, and could certainly have made an excellent Bond film. But his quirky films are the reason I will likely never call myself a fan. This is of course, all purely subjective (and more than a little self-important!).

[ImTheMoneypenny]

I'm on the fence about this review being real. Some sounds right other things, well I don't know, I've heard so many differing spoilers, I don't know what's what anymore. It makes me want to see the movie all the more so I can sort it all out.

That said, if the guy is correct, I don't like the ending the reviewer sets up for us, Bond resigning again? I'm hoping they actually have something else planned that they left off for the test crowd there. If they don't, and I see it does end that way, well then just have to see the next one!

[Mister E]

The Craig era is thematically telling us what Fleming (to an extent) told us back in the 50s. When shorn of any heroic context Bond's tactics are morally dubious and rather than a love interest Camille it seems is being used as an extreme reflection of Bond abandoning his humanity in order to kill and be satisfied by that compulsion.

I know I'll get crap for this but CR and now QOS (hopefully) seem deeper then anything Fleming ever wrote.

[Safari Suit]

Well Fleming was, after all, writing thrillers and not contributions to the Encyclopidie, but by the same token I don't think there's anything of great depth in CR either.

[DamnCoffee]

YOLT isn't known to post garbage.

Do you know him personally, because from what I see on IMDb he only has made one post.

[Eddie Burns]

Well folks, assuming this review is real, we have really shifted away from the Connery-Brosnan era of Bond movies, and Craig's starting a whole new cycle. No cheese, no jokes, and with a message. Bond wants to be taken seriously!

Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, we'll just have to wait and see the movie. But its bordering on depressing (Solange, Vesper, Fields, Camille all die). I think after TDK, people would expect a cheerful movie to round up the year.

CR kept the heavy stuff beneath the surface and succeeded in doing so. I think Forster's going to ram it down our throats unfortunately. But the ending does set up Bond 23 in a VERY good way! B23 could be the Goldfinger of this century because fans will be thirsting for the REAL Bond to come back and it could be 23 that does it.

Quite risky for a thanksgiving weekend...so the movie better deliver otherwise...

And the Bond Supremacy thing sounds a little too close to home. Unless this is done better.

Assuming the review is true, of course

[Harmsway]

Well, I'm surprised that they'd end two films in a row with the main Bond girl dying and Bond either threatening to resign or actually doing it. And the latter move would, of course, bring Bond right back to where he was at the start of CASINO ROYALE, i.e. new to the British secret service.

Indeed. It does have some strong echoes to CASINO ROYALE (although I imagine that, if this review is true, Camille's death would come off quite differently than Vesper's given their very different relationships to 007).

This story certainly feels like the straight sequel to CR that we were promised, but then it also seems like CR - The Second Verse of the Same Song™, carrying strong, symmetrical echoes not only of CR but of the Dalton (LICENCE TO KILL) and Brosnan eras (Bond's endless feuding with M, Bond as a rogue agent).

I'm not sure I agree that it does sound like CR II. What we have here sounds like a much darker spy film than anything in the Dalton, Brosnan eras, with a more defined and distinctive character arc for 007 than any previous Bond story - Fleming or otherwise - has contained. There are certainly elements that seem like retreads (Bond's feuding with M is a big culprit here), but the overall shape of the piece strikes me as pretty interesting.

I just wish, though, that its (alleged) plot elements didn't echo so many recent Bond outings and that it didn't carry so many reminders of THE BOURNE SUPREMACY.* (For instance, of all the cities in the world they could have picked for 007's confrontation with Vesper's ex-boyfriend, why did they have to go for Moscow?)

Well, perhaps 'cause Moscow's the epitome of the Cold War. It really is the perfect setting for stuff like this. Now, it does, unfortunately, smack of a bit of BOURNE SUPREMACY just because that's in recent memory (though I'm more inclined to think of the spy flicks pre-dating SUPREMACY), but on the whole, I think QUANTUM will feel pretty Bondian in its own right.

[DamnCoffee]

I'm gonna assume this is true:

I really love the idea of M sensing Bonds anger. The interrigation scene sounds very intense. Cant wait to see Bond greet White with a massive smack in the face. HELL YEAH!

[Mister E]

I'm gonna assume this is true:

I really love the idea of M sensing Bonds anger. The interrigation scene sounds very intense. Cant wait to see Bond greet White with a massive smack in the face. HELL YEAH!

That maybe evidence this is true. I recall a picture were Bond was sitting very closely to White and I don't think M would have actually allowed that while she was in the room.

[Loomis]

What we have here sounds like a much darker spy film than anything in the Dalton, Brosnan eras, with a more defined and distinctive character arc for 007 than any previous Bond story - Fleming or otherwise - has contained. There are certainly elements that seem like retreads (Bond's feuding with M is a big culprit here), but the overall shape of the piece strikes me as pretty interesting.

Well, I meant that certain plot elements (death of Bond girl, etc.) mirror CR. QoS does, however, seem a much darker piece of work. So while the story looks rather similar, the tone appears pretty different.

I think QUANTUM will feel pretty Bondian in its own right.

Agreed.

[DamnCoffee]

Do you think that default music would be used? Or Arnolds finished soundtrack?

[Melancholy Productions]

Wasn't it blabbed early on during shooting in an article somewhere that Greene

Spoiler

dies by his own axe?

Or was this never really confirmed?

[Harmsway]

Wasn't it blabbed early on during shooting in an article somewhere that Greene

Spoiler

dies by his own axe?

Or was this never really confirmed?

Well, the article stated Greene got wounded by an axe. Never elaborated beyond that.

[Matt_13]

Very interesting, sounds good if it turns out to be true. Looking forward to the interrogation scene and the boat chase.

[baerrtt]

Well folks, assuming this review is real, we have really shifted away from the Connery-Brosnan era of Bond movies, and Craig's starting a whole new cycle. No cheese, no jokes, and with a message. Bond wants to be taken seriously!

Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, we'll just have to wait and see the movie. But its bordering on depressing (Solange, Vesper, Fields, Camille all die). I think after TDK, people would expect a cheerful movie to round up the year.

CR kept the heavy stuff beneath the surface and succeeded in doing so. I think Forster's going to ram it down our throats unfortunately. But the ending does set up Bond 23 in a VERY good way! B23 could be the Goldfinger of this century because fans will be thirsting for the REAL Bond to come back and it could be 23 that does it.

Quite risky for a thanksgiving weekend...so the movie better deliver otherwise...

And the Bond Supremacy thing sounds a little too close to home. Unless this is done better.

Assuming the review is true, of course

TDK as it stands is the most successful film of the year. That tells me that audiences don't care if their blockbusters are 'depressing'. I'm sorry but the 'real' Bond came back in CR not in four previous films that tried living up to audiences (and evidently some fans) limited expectation of a Bond film. Audience reaction to CR (not a minority of fans) proved that Bond doesn't have to rely on OTT borderline campfests to be successful.

After nearly three decades (despite attempts) of the same film dressed up differently thank goodness EON today aren't shying away from pushing the boundaries they never crossed even with Dalton.

[Mister E]

I'm sorry but the 'real' Bond came back in CR not in four previous films that tried living up to audiences (and evidently some fans) limited expectation of a Bond film.

[DR76]

So, is this turning out to be a trilogy? Hmmmmm . . . interesting.

[Mister E]

So, is this turning out to be a trilogy? Hmmmmm . . . interesting.

This may not end in Bond 23 if this review is true. I think Quantum might stick with the series for a little while. Hopefully, it won't end up like SPECTRE and Blofeld and just be some invicible enemy that pops with stupid, cartoon schemes.

[JimmyBond]

Hopefully, it won't end up like SPECTRE and Blofeld and just be some invicible enemy that pops with stupid, cartoon schemes.

Who could forget the classic sequence of Blofeld painting a tunnel onto a mountain side and then Bond driving right through it with his Aston Martin.


Sorry, couldnt resist

[DamnCoffee]

Strange that the poster hasn't said anything about Greene taking over the nations water supply.

[baerrtt]

Hopefully, it won't end up like SPECTRE and Blofeld and just be some invicible enemy that pops with stupid, cartoon schemes.

Who could forget the classic sequence of Blofeld painting a tunnel onto a mountain side and then Bond driving right through it with his Aston Martin.


Sorry, couldnt resist

What you've written sounds more plausible than Bond being disguised as a Japanese fisherman. Oh how I love to hate YOLT .

[Marketto007]

Good point Harkers.

xxx

[Mister E]

Hopefully, it won't end up like SPECTRE and Blofeld and just be some invicible enemy that pops with stupid, cartoon schemes.

Who could forget the classic sequence of Blofeld painting a tunnel onto a mountain side and then Bond driving right through it with his Aston Martin.


Sorry, couldnt resist

What you've written sounds more plausible than Bond being disguised as a Japanese fisherman. Oh how I love to hate YOLT .

Even worse was when Blofeld was huntin' for a wabbit.

[baerrtt]

Hopefully, it won't end up like SPECTRE and Blofeld and just be some invicible enemy that pops with stupid, cartoon schemes.

Who could forget the classic sequence of Blofeld painting a tunnel onto a mountain side and then Bond driving right through it with his Aston Martin.


Sorry, couldnt resist

What you've written sounds more plausible than Bond being disguised as a Japanese fisherman. Oh how I love to hate YOLT .

Even worse was when Blofeld was huntin' for a wabbit.

Yeah that too!!

[DamnCoffee]

Good point Harkers.

xxx

Thank you. It's true though.

Along with saying nothing about Greene taking over the nations water supply, neither does he mention which people in the British Government are being blackmailed aswell as mentioning anything about the Foreign Secretary.

[Simon Beavis]

So, is this turning out to be a trilogy? Hmmmmm . . . interesting.

This may not end in Bond 23 if this review is true. I think Quantum might stick with the series for a little while. Hopefully, it won't end up like SPECTRE and Blofeld and just be some invicible enemy that pops with stupid, cartoon schemes.

I thought since Craig is (supposedly) open to staying on after Bond 23, that Quantum gets a one-film hiatus, and returns in Bond 24. Thought somewhere Michael Wilson said Bond 23 would be a stand-alone film.

Quantum seems more like a co-op than a SPECTRE-type organization. I think they might be going with what Fleming originally intended with SMERSH. Originally, they were supposed to be Bond's primary enemy, with Bond's nemesis probably being either G or Colonel Nitkin, but then Fleming (like EON) felt that portraying the Soviets as villains during the height of the Cold War was a bad idea, so G and SMERSH were replaced with Blofeld and SPECTRE, respectively.