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[Mr. Blofeld]

Someone ought to put a tag on this thread, in case the info in this turns out to be legit come Oct. 31...

[Eddie Burns]

I guess I need to elaborate on what I meant by B23 turning out to be the Goldfinger of this generation.

I think its getting a little tedious with the whole resignation/reinstatement of 007. Also that's 4 Bond girls on the trot that die. Craig's Bond is going to be remembered as cursed and really depressive. TDK was expected to be dark, QoS is expected to be a Bond movie, though I do commend the creative for stretching the boundaries as to what makes a Bond movie (I think we're getting a little Le Carre influence, myself).

This is where B23 fits in. If I had the skills and was chosen to do a remake of a Goldfinger 2010, the movie that I've developed in my head would be remarkable. It would be a blend of the first 4 Connery movies and Craig movie(s) sprinkled with a bit of Dalton from TLD. I'd make the villain more interesting and flesh out the story a lot more. Increase the glam and glitz and try to make it original as possible (no Bourne).

I guess thats what I mean. Assuming the review is true, it really sets up B23 in this way. It gives the producer's a right to give us THE Bond adventure that could rival Goldfinger for impact style and precedence. I'm starting to think i'm more excited for B23 than I am QoS!

P.S. Isn't it great that the movies seem to be finishing off with cliff hangers, linking all of Craig's movies together. Wish they had done this with the others.

[Mister E]

I mean, just 'cause he says it to Mr. White at the end of QUANTUM doesn't mean he's going to go around saying it every time he introduces himself.

I know and that's what pissed me off in the later Bond films. Who says there last name first so many damn times ! The whole point of Connery uttering those words was to compliment Sylvia Trench's "Trench, Sylvia Trench".

[danslittlefinger]

I did hear that he resigns at the end of this film,, heard it from a person in the media biz plus a few other things.

A lot of this IMDB is a not what I did hear though.

Dont know what to make of it really.

Would feel like a right pillock posting what I heard if it turns out to be false.

Cant trust anyone at this stage.

Edited by danslittlefinger, 03 September 2008 - 03:06 AM.

[Invincible1958]

The original poster (yolt) now answered on the imdb. He said that the gun-barrel is there, and Craig is wearing a tuxedo in it.
But the design was still the old Brosnan-one as the new one wasn't finished at the time.

[oatesy]

YOLT is back again with further info:

The opera scene is fantastic coming to think of it now. The latter half of the film, does stand out more, but this is likely because all of this takes place early on in the film. Bond goes AWOL when in Haiti and Mi6 are desperate to pick him up as M thinks he's 'ferile' and will kill anyone to get revenge for Vesper instead of arresting them so they can find the head of Quantum. Beam is helping Greene and is a member of Quantum, All of Felix's scenes are with him really. Felix and Bond meet up at a bar when he tells Bond about Medrano and is involvement with Greene, and how he is being given a safe passage by the CIA to Austria after Camille made an attack on his life. Bond with Felix's info goes to Austria. Where he finds that White and Greene are in cohoots. It's fair to say the storyline is pretty seamless from here on. Bond knocks out a Quantum bodyguard at the front door and steals his ear piece and overhears the members talking Haines has built something White and Greene want to buy and over the ear-pieces they are trying to make the sale. Bond gives away his postion and a chase comes after. Bond ends up on the roof with one of White's bodyguards, Bond and him sramble for the gun and at the end Bond wins, the guy falls off....end. Bond blends in with the crowd, and the next scene is Bond going to mi6 HQ and asking permission to go after Greene.

The really cool Bondian moment is when Bond steals a rather baggy tux off a costume rail, only to find the Quantum guy with the ear piece he steals, and looks t his body and sees his tux will likely fit better. It does. Very funny and classically Bond.

[Conlazmoodalbrocra]

Like most people, I'm a bit unsure about whether all this is true or not, but i find it odd that YOLT suddenly comes back with:

The opera scene is fantastic coming to think of it now.

It seems to me as if he's making it up as he goes along, and he just had this idea. Call me a sceptic if you want!

[SecretAgentFan]

I hope it´s fake. Have read too much of it...

[Invincible1958]

Now that he talked about the opera scene I don't think that it's fake.

Especially this scenes tells me, that he tells the truth:

"The really cool Bondian moment is when Bond steals a rather baggy tux off a costume rail, only to find the Quantum guy with the ear piece he steals, and looks t his body and sees his tux will likely fit better."

As you know I was an extra in austria. And a roommate in the hostel I stayed, was in that scene, where Bond steals the tuxedo. You can only know about that specific little scene when you were there OR when you actually saw the movie.
So I think, imdb-yolt saw the movie.

[SecretAgentFan]

Damn...

[Col. Sun]

Now that he talked about the opera scene I don't think that it's fake.

Especially this scenes tells me, that he tells the truth:

"The really cool Bondian moment is when Bond steals a rather baggy tux off a costume rail, only to find the Quantum guy with the ear piece he steals, and looks t his body and sees his tux will likely fit better."

As you know I was an extra in austria. And a roommate in the hostel I stayed, was in that scene, where Bond steals the tuxedo. You can only know about that specific little scene when you were there OR when you actually saw the movie.
So I think, imdb-yolt saw the movie.

YOLT saw the film. It's obvious from his posts.

And I do know they have had a London-based preview of the film, not quite locked but close to final cut with temp music, sound fx and VFX.

[bond 16.05.72]

I have to agree with Col. Sun on this, this is too detailed to be a hoax, this sounds like the film I wanted it to be, I was worrying they might not continue to step it up a gear after CR's superb reinvention but this for me more than confirms that Forster & co have done us proud.

I seriously can't wait, this is gonna be the business.

[Harmsway]

As you know I was an extra in austria. And a roommate in the hostel I stayed, was in that scene, where Bond steals the tuxedo. You can only know about that specific little scene when you were there OR when you actually saw the movie.
So I think, imdb-yolt saw the movie.

Huh. Well, it looks like he's telling the truth then.

QUANTUM OF SOLACE is going to be one hell of a film.

[Blonde Bond]

I wish I hadn't read anything this guy had to say. Now I'm spoiled beyond no return

(But if it somehow turns out to be fake, then I'm both HAPPY and SAD)

[baerrtt]

If anything I'm more excited about the film after being spoiled by this review, which judging from Invincible1958's response, appears to be true.

Even moreso than CR the formula is being abandoned for now. And IMHO that's a good thing.

[bond 16.05.72]

Regarding some peoples views on this lacking the famous lines. This to me is what defines the Moore & Brosnan era's.

Strip both of those Bonds of all the gadgets the famous lines and the things that people expect and what have you got. I feel these era's have more than strengthened
the idea that Bond needs these elements to be Bond.

I can't watch most of them without cringeing, the warm fuzzy glow they give some and at one time myself is completely abscent now. The Brosnan era never impressed so it couldn't get much worse for me.

CR & it seems QOS are presenting Bond as a human being with consequence not a cliche. Craig's era more than any other is trying to shore Bond of all the trappings and by this giving us a character which is more compelling and if he's not saying what is expected then so be it.

[Invincible1958]

I asked him one more thing about a scene I'm in on the imdb-board. If he answers that correctly, then there's no way that he's lying.

[oatesy]

Regarding some peoples views on this lacking the famous lines. This to me is what defines the Moore & Brosnan era's.

Strip both of those Bonds of all the gadgets the famous lines and the things that people expect and what have you got. I feel these era's have more than strengthened
the idea that Bond needs these elements to be Bond.

I can't watch most of them without cringeing, the warm fuzzy glow they give some and at one time myself is completely abscent now. The Brosnan era never impressed so it couldn't get much worse for me.

CR & it seems QOS are presenting Bond as a human being with consequence not a cliche. Craig's era more than any other is trying to shore Bond of all the trappings and by this giving us a character which is more compelling and if he's not saying what is expected then so be it.

The later films have seem to have established some "Golden Rules Which Cannot Be Broken", which seem to stem from some rose-tinted view the general public had of what happened in all the old Bond movies, but in reality happened much less frequently

1. Bond always has to introduce himself as "Bond, James Bond" at least once per film
2. Bond has to order a "Vodka Martini, shaken not stirred"
3. Bond has to have a brand new car full of gadgets
4. Bond has to have a watch with some new gadget on it
5. David Arnold has to blast out the James Bond theme as often as possible

Thank god they are getting rid of some of them. Casino Royale chopped 3 (sort of), 4, and 5 and it looks like QoS is also losing no. 1. I haven't heard of the DBS in QoS being laden with gadgets. Fingers crossed they keep that sequence bare of gadgets and focus on the raw car chase. Still got those damn martinis though. I'd prefer a switch to Bourbon, from the books, and perhaps even ordering scrambled eggs, bacon and hot buttered rye toast every time he's in a hotel

[Sir James Moloney]

He says QOS is quite unique and different from all the other films. In my view, CR was unique and different from all the others so I guess we´re having an era of unique Bond films all staring Craig and somewhat producing a connection between them. That´s really wonderfull, we will be able to watch two unique films in a row, 260 minutes of Bond as we want him to be. That´s almost like when I read all the Flemming novels in one week. All good news to my ears

I'd prefer a switch to Bourbon, from the books, and perhaps even ordering scrambled eggs, bacon and hot buttered rye toast every time he's in a hotel

Yeah, that would be really nice. The way Bond asked for the caviar and the mount gay with soda in CR was a bit of a prelude to that I believe, but nothing like Green figs and yogurt or scrambled egs, black coffee, ... an americano, someting with perrier, bourbon, ...etc...

Edited by Sir James Moloney, 03 September 2008 - 03:05 PM.

[DamnCoffee]

YOLT is back again with further info:

The opera scene is fantastic coming to think of it now. The latter half of the film, does stand out more, but this is likely because all of this takes place early on in the film. Bond goes AWOL when in Haiti and Mi6 are desperate to pick him up as M thinks he's 'ferile' and will kill anyone to get revenge for Vesper instead of arresting them so they can find the head of Quantum. Beam is helping Greene and is a member of Quantum, All of Felix's scenes are with him really. Felix and Bond meet up at a bar when he tells Bond about Medrano and is involvement with Greene, and how he is being given a safe passage by the CIA to Austria after Camille made an attack on his life. Bond with Felix's info goes to Austria. Where he finds that White and Greene are in cohoots. It's fair to say the storyline is pretty seamless from here on. Bond knocks out a Quantum bodyguard at the front door and steals his ear piece and overhears the members talking Haines has built something White and Greene want to buy and over the ear-pieces they are trying to make the sale. Bond gives away his postion and a chase comes after. Bond ends up on the roof with one of White's bodyguards, Bond and him sramble for the gun and at the end Bond wins, the guy falls off....end. Bond blends in with the crowd, and the next scene is Bond going to mi6 HQ and asking permission to go after Greene.

The really cool Bondian moment is when Bond steals a rather baggy tux off a costume rail, only to find the Quantum guy with the ear piece he steals, and looks t his body and sees his tux will likely fit better. It does. Very funny and classically Bond.

I like the sound of this scene, I hope it's legit. I have a great feeling that it is.


I've done some thinking today and the fact that Bond resigns at the end of the movie begs the question that if he isn't technically a Double 0 would Bond 23 include a gunbarrel.

[Zorin Industries]

YOLT is back again with further info:

The opera scene is fantastic coming to think of it now. The latter half of the film, does stand out more, but this is likely because all of this takes place early on in the film. Bond goes AWOL when in Haiti and Mi6 are desperate to pick him up as M thinks he's 'ferile' and will kill anyone to get revenge for Vesper instead of arresting them so they can find the head of Quantum. Beam is helping Greene and is a member of Quantum, All of Felix's scenes are with him really. Felix and Bond meet up at a bar when he tells Bond about Medrano and is involvement with Greene, and how he is being given a safe passage by the CIA to Austria after Camille made an attack on his life. Bond with Felix's info goes to Austria. Where he finds that White and Greene are in cohoots. It's fair to say the storyline is pretty seamless from here on. Bond knocks out a Quantum bodyguard at the front door and steals his ear piece and overhears the members talking Haines has built something White and Greene want to buy and over the ear-pieces they are trying to make the sale. Bond gives away his postion and a chase comes after. Bond ends up on the roof with one of White's bodyguards, Bond and him sramble for the gun and at the end Bond wins, the guy falls off....end. Bond blends in with the crowd, and the next scene is Bond going to mi6 HQ and asking permission to go after Greene.

The really cool Bondian moment is when Bond steals a rather baggy tux off a costume rail, only to find the Quantum guy with the ear piece he steals, and looks t his body and sees his tux will likely fit better. It does. Very funny and classically Bond.

I like the sound of this scene, I hope it's legit. I have a great feeling that it is.


I've done some thinking today and the fact that Bond resigns at the end of the movie begs the question that if he isn't technically a Double 0 would Bond 23 include a gunbarrel.

Enough already on the gunbarrel folks!

I think I'll wait to see the film in a month or so's time. I'm not one for reading 'reviews' on IMDB of films that are not even finished yet... which sort of queries any validity of this report.

What was the reviewer's context for seeing the film?

[DamnCoffee]

The fact that you said that the film isn't finished yet, isn't exactly true. I think Forster has completed editing, and the guy did say that the screening he saw was unfinished, which is why he saw a Brosnan gunbarrel and some unfinished titles.

[doubler83]

Why is everyone so interested in the damn gunbarrel?

[Zorin Industries]

Why is everyone so interested in the damn gunbarrel?

It is a complete mystery to me too. I know it's part of the iconography of the series, but it hasn't been unused once (it was REWORKED in CASINO ROYALE folks - in a way that wasn't going to pander to the fans).

I remember posting an early review of ROYALE on CBN and one of the first things many seemed to worry about was "what colour is the gunbarrel blood?"...

I personally hope the film is a little better than a 20 second motif used to introduce it.

[Mister E]

Why is everyone so interested in the damn gunbarrel?

It is a complete mystery to me too. I know it's part of the iconography of the series, but it hasn't been unused once (it was REWORKED in CASINO ROYALE folks - in a way that wasn't going to pander to the fans).

I remember posting an early review of ROYALE on CBN and one of the first things many seemed to worry about was "what colour is the gunbarrel blood?"...

I personally hope the film is a little better than a 20 second motif used to introduce it.

I agree really. People are even more hung up on the gunbarrel now and think that it only relates to Craig making his first 00 kill. The gunbarrel is cosmetic and that is that.

Edited by Mister E, 03 September 2008 - 04:41 PM.

[DamnCoffee]

Nahh I think that the Gunbarrel is a big thing for many fans because it has been completely redesigned and MK12 are redoing it, PLUS Craig hasn't done a gunbarrel walk yet. So it's pretty exciting.

[Mister E]

Nahh I think that the Gunbarrel is a big thing for many fans because it has been completely redesigned and MK12 are redoing it, PLUS Craig hasn't done a gunbarrel walk yet. So it's pretty exciting.

I care alot more about the title sequence and song.

[DamnCoffee]

Got this of IMBb...

Opera Music plays out throughout and they cut back now and then. It all adds to the suspence of the scene.

Sounds good.

Now that he talked about the opera scene I don't think that it's fake.

Especially this scenes tells me, that he tells the truth:

"The really cool Bondian moment is when Bond steals a rather baggy tux off a costume rail, only to find the Quantum guy with the ear piece he steals, and looks t his body and sees his tux will likely fit better."

As you know I was an extra in austria. And a roommate in the hostel I stayed, was in that scene, where Bond steals the tuxedo. You can only know about that specific little scene when you were there OR when you actually saw the movie.
So I think, imdb-yolt saw the movie.

I actually like the sound of this scene. It sound's like it could be quite light hearted, which is really good considering the overall dark tone of the movie. I am gonna get blasted for saying this but this scene really should be a accompanied by a really playful Bond theme, like when Lupe helps Bond escape in Licence to Kill.

When Bond rises out of the water hanging onto the boat, the Bond theme playing over the piece is just utter magic.

[DamnCoffee]

Oh more stuff from yolt.

How was the opening sequence? How is the car chase in the beginning? Perhaps the best car chase in a bond film? Is the car loaded with gadgets?

The car chase is incredilbe, the film is already being compared to Bourne alot, but this is the most Bourle-like scene. Imagine a more fuelled more argressive, more lavish Bourne car chase and that's what you get. Amazing. aside this there are few other Bourne references. The action is far more raw and argressive compared to the more martial arts in Bourne, here Bond actually *beep* up alot. And alot of the fights he nearly comes close to lossing especailly against Mitchell, it's onlt when Bond shoots him does he finnally get the upper hand, otherwise Mitchell is a far better fighter on the whole.

How is the villain compared to the others in the bond franchise?

Medrano is the big baddie. The one Camille wants revenge from, it's only until Bond finds that White is dealing with Greene, (the next link in the pipeline), that he goes after him. Greene and Medrano are pulling together a deal. But for Bond, greene is the villain, and Camille, Medrano is the villain. Elvis is just Greene's lackey. They are related and the 2 have alot of face touching and hugs. a little like Dario and Sanchez, only this time it's kind of perverted and creepy.

How much screentime does Felix Leiter have? 5 mins? 10 mins?

Felix is in the opening of the film. Then disappears until the end.

How is the music score?

We were told the music is not complete, you couldn't really notice either way. I'm not that great at really hearing the music in films. I know that's quite a bad thing to say especailly when watching a Bond movie.

How would you rank this film to all of the others?

Well it's better then CR. Though it isn't classically Bond. Not to say it lacks anything. It feels like a Marc Forster movie. One thing is for sure people will be impressed by Craig all over again. He is truly stunning. Way way way better then anything he's ever done before.

[baerrtt]

Oh more stuff from yolt.

How was the opening sequence? How is the car chase in the beginning? Perhaps the best car chase in a bond film? Is the car loaded with gadgets?

The car chase is incredilbe, the film is already being compared to Bourne alot, but this is the most Bourle-like scene. Imagine a more fuelled more argressive, more lavish Bourne car chase and that's what you get. Amazing. aside this there are few other Bourne references. The action is far more raw and argressive compared to the more martial arts in Bourne, here Bond actually *beep* up alot. And alot of the fights he nearly comes close to lossing especailly against Mitchell, it's onlt when Bond shoots him does he finnally get the upper hand, otherwise Mitchell is a far better fighter on the whole.

How is the villain compared to the others in the bond franchise?

Medrano is the big baddie. The one Camille wants revenge from, it's only until Bond finds that White is dealing with Greene, (the next link in the pipeline), that he goes after him. Greene and Medrano are pulling together a deal. But for Bond, greene is the villain, and Camille, Medrano is the villain. Elvis is just Greene's lackey. They are related and the 2 have alot of face touching and hugs. a little like Dario and Sanchez, only this time it's kind of perverted and creepy.

How much screentime does Felix Leiter have? 5 mins? 10 mins?

Felix is in the opening of the film. Then disappears until the end.

How is the music score?

We were told the music is not complete, you couldn't really notice either way. I'm not that great at really hearing the music in films. I know that's quite a bad thing to say especailly when watching a Bond movie.

How would you rank this film to all of the others?

Well it's better then CR. Though it isn't classically Bond. Not to say it lacks anything. It feels like a Marc Forster movie. One thing is for sure people will be impressed by Craig all over again. He is truly stunning. Way way way better then anything he's ever done before.

Well for one thing the fight scene with Mitchell should hush up those who think that Craig's Bond was too 'superhuman' in CR.

Good to hear that Bond is put through his paces by a better fighter (faithful to Fleming) rather than the supervillain henchmen they were having him face once upon a time (Oddjob, Jaws, Stamper etc).