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[Bryce (003)]

imdb vs. reliability....

I'm not buying it.

Most of what was posted can be gleaned from our own spoiler section let alone what few interviews we've seen and the few that have been published thus far.

I've always wondered why most "scoops" of pre-screenings are posted about by people with limited typing and grammar skills. Same thing happened before CR.

If anyone beyond the Eon family has seen a rough cut at this time, I'd be very surprised and it certainly wouldn't be anyone with such lousy typing skills.

Stranger things have happened, but I doubt that's the case here.

"There's a useful four letter word..." and whoever posted this tripe on imdb is full of it.

[SecretAgentFan]

Too many spoilers, even for a spoiler thread.

I hope it is not real but it does feel accurate...

... although I can´t believe that Gemma is less than great.

[Col. Sun]

Too many spoilers, even for a spoiler thread.

I hope it is not real but it does feel accurate...

... although I can´t believe that Gemma is less than great.

I believe this review. They have previewed the film and they are based in Soho for post-production and would use a local hotel cinema for a selected preview.

Also, the descriptions of scenes are too specific and sure of themselves to be made up from inter-net info. He says the roof chase is quite short and this bodes with what I've heard. They have cut the action scenes tight. Mathis explaining Bond's need for his quantum of solace makes a lot of sense too and would fit with Mathis' character.

I also know as a fact that the final film plays a bit under 2 hours, I believe around the 108 - 110 mark, so the review is again right in saying the cut he saw, which would have been close to the final cut, was playing at around 2 hours but they still intended to tighten a few things up.

[Loomis]

As far as I'm concerned, it all sounds rather good.

Sounds like THE BOND SUPREMACY. I'm sorry, it's an old gag, I know, but.... it really does.

And I think it's legit.

[Captain Tightpants]

Major spoiler ... maybe.

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The review says it rounds off the Vesper storyline, right? But if it rounds it off, why does Bond capture Yusuf at the end of the film and take him in for interrogation?

[DamnCoffee]

This is really interesting, I have a feeling that this my be true. If it isn't I will be very dissapointed.

[Sir James Moloney]

This is really interesting, I have a feeling that this my be true. If it isn't I will be very dissapointed.

My feelings exactly. It does make sense doesn´t it? I mean, it just doesn´t seem fabricated by some delusional paranoid or something. I was actually a bit disapointed that he didn´t elaborate about the "Tosca business" or the "Bond asks Mathis for help" scenes. But hey, rather spoilerish isn´t it? These two months are going to be one big rollercoaster ride for us fans.

[DamnCoffee]

I agree.

Quite dissapointed that Bond doesn't introduce himself, I would have loved to see another take on 'The Line' with Craig.

[Sir James Moloney]

I agree.

Quite dissapointed that Bond doesn't introduce himself, I would have loved to see another take on 'The Line' with Craig.

I thought the same thing at first, but then I realised that would only enfatise the line in CR more, giving it more relevance. And I supose Craig will intruduce himself in another fashion, like Connery in FRWL for example, who knows?

[the villain's architect]

Mathis dies?
Camille dies?
Bond quits the service again
I won't like this movie very much, I'm afraid.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Do I belive the review is legit


Maybe.


How's that for a nonanswer.

Bond quiting the service at the end makes of an interesting end and a huge predicament for the writers and producers "how does bond become 007 again and why"

all of this sounds like it could be true and i'd be fine wtih it

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all except for Mathis being killed

however give me a little time and I could come up with a "review" that is different from YOLT but seems legit with just as many gramatical errors .



I want Quantum of solace to be amazing dark and gritty however as cool as the review sounds I have doubts i just don't see Wilson and Brocci wanting to put them selves in this awkward spot of why does bond come back?

but then if somebody told me the way the dark knight ended I wouldn't of believed them after viewing the film 3 times I still can't belive they ended the film that way.

[DamnCoffee]

however give me a little time and I could come up with a "review" that is different from YOLT but seems legit with just as many gramatical errors .

I want Quantum of solace to be amazing dark and gritty however as cool as the review sounds I have doubts i just don't see Wilson and Brocci wanting to put them selves in this awkward spot of why does bond come back?

I just put it down to the fact that the guy was so excited after seeing the movie, he was In a rush to get the first review.

Why would Bond come back? Maybe Bond finds out that MI6 have uncovered details on the organisation, and therfore wants to get revenge for Vesper, Camille and Mathis.


Oh and I LOVE the fact that this guy said it's better than The Dark Knight!

[Mr_Wint]

It all sounds a little bit melodramatic.

[Invincible1958]

It all sounds a little bit melodramatic.

And I love that!

... if it's true.

[bond 16.05.72]

If it's true it's distancing itself even more from the previous films, anything that gets away from the chessey VTAK bollocks is fine by me.

Wish I hadn't read it but like Mharkin007 I can't resist, I always went looking for my christmas presents when I was a kid so I guess I've just not grown out of it. I'd seen all the spoilers for DK and if this is true then I guess there's not much to find out but I'm so pumped to see it realised on the screen.

The Camille's fate bit doesn't come as a surprise, I wasn't expecting it to end like SWLM, although Greeen's fate is indeed a surprise.

Reminds me of the end of Dirty Harry, we know he'll be back though!

[DamnCoffee]

I always went looking for my christmas presents

You too? Glad I'm not alone!

I found four Indiana Jones Novelisations underneath my Moms bed the other day, so I aint grown out of it either.

[Loomis]

The Camille's fate bit doesn't come as a surprise, I wasn't expecting it to end like SWLM, although Greeen's fate is indeed a surprise.

Well, I'm surprised that they'd end two films in a row with the main Bond girl dying and Bond either threatening to resign or actually doing it. And the latter move would, of course, bring Bond right back to where he was at the start of CASINO ROYALE, i.e. new to the British secret service.

And it would also mean that

Spoiler

all of the Craig era Bond girls to date had kicked the bucket.

Overkill, anyone?

This story certainly feels like the straight sequel to CR that we were promised, but then it also seems like CR - The Second Verse of the Same Song™, carrying strong, symmetrical echoes not only of CR but of the Dalton (LICENCE TO KILL) and Brosnan eras (Bond's endless feuding with M, Bond as a rogue agent).

I also think they had the perfect opportunity to use Fleming's YOLT ending in modified form, and wish they'd taken it.

[baerrtt]

Naturally anything posted on an IMDB message board gives me doubts but IF the information is true it sounds like we've got a Marc Forster film which just happens to have James Bond as it's lead character.

And imo that's a very good thing. If anything has stifled the creativity of Bond movies it's been the need to repeat the formula over and over again. What we've got here (and we didn't get in previous films) is Bond learning the full consequences of taking matters personally (unlike the pasted happy ending of LTK). The man Fleming wrote about in the books (once again if that review is accurate), his loneliness and struggle with responsibilities that most people in the real world wouldn't want to shoulder is present and correct hopefully.

Roll on October!

Edited by baerrtt, 02 September 2008 - 12:30 PM.

[Invincible1958]

... but IF the information is true it sounds like we've got a Marc Forster film which just happens to have James Bond as it's lead character.

Exactly what I thought. And I like the idea. I'm a big Forster-fan. And Forster wants this film to stand on its own feet.
With many Bond movies the general audience can't distiguish between them. But I think this movie will be so unique, that no one ever would confuse it with another Bond movie.

It's like the "Quantum of Solace"-Feeling. You only get that specific feeling when you watch this movie. That's what I'm hoping for.

[Loomis]

IF the information is true it sounds like we've got a Marc Forster film which just happens to have James Bond as it's lead character. ... What we've got here (and we didn't get in previous films) is Bond learning the full consequences of taking matters personally (unlike the pasted happy ending of LTK).

Agreed. It does sound appropriately gritty and Forsterish, while also, as Harmsway points out, setting the stage for BOND 23 in an interesting way.

I just wish, though, that its (alleged) plot elements didn't echo so many recent Bond outings and that it didn't carry so many reminders of THE BOURNE SUPREMACY.* (For instance, of all the cities in the world they could have picked for 007's confrontation with Vesper's ex-boyfriend, why did they have to go for

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Moscow

?)

*Not that I don't love THE BOURNE SUPREMACY. I think it's terrific.

[baerrtt]

The Camille's fate bit doesn't come as a surprise, I wasn't expecting it to end like SWLM, although Greeen's fate is indeed a surprise.

Well, I'm surprised that they'd end two films in a row with the main Bond girl dying and Bond either threatening to resign or actually doing it. And the latter move would, of course, bring Bond right back to where he was at the start of CASINO ROYALE, i.e. new to the British secret service.

And it would also mean that

Spoiler

all of the Craig era Bond girls to date had kicked the bucket.

Overkill, anyone?

This story certainly feels like the straight sequel to CR that we were promised, but then it also seems like CR - The Second Verse of the Same Song™, carrying strong, symmetrical echoes not only of CR but of the Dalton (LICENCE TO KILL) and Brosnan eras (Bond's endless feuding with M, Bond as a rogue agent).

I also think they had the perfect opportunity to use Fleming's YOLT ending in modified form, and wish they'd taken it.

The difference for me is that it sounds like they're actually going to do it properly unlike LTK or the Brosnan era. The film was, from the get go, always intended as a direct sequel to CR so it's proper (thematically moreso) that it echoes that film strongly.

As for Camille possibly getting killed and Bond quitting the service (once again if the review is accurate and I have my stated doubts)it may, in a sense, reek of overkill but at the same time their respective fates are far more realistic (given her character's motivation and Bond's) than Bond getting amnesia and/or going missing. Why should you be dissapointed that they're not going to use the YOLT ending? Was there any actual proof/hint that they were going to use it? You just imagined/hoped they would.

[Loomis]

The difference for me is that it sounds like they're actually going to do it properly unlike LTK or the Brosnan era. The film was, from the get go, always intended as a direct sequel to CR so it's proper (thematically moreso) that it echoes that film strongly.

True.

As for Camille possibly getting killed and Bond quitting the service ... their respective fates are far more realistic (given her character's motivation and Bond's) than Bond getting amnesia and/or going missing.

Again, true.

Why should you be dissapointed that they're not going to use the YOLT ending?

Simply because I want to see as many unused Fleming elements as possible in the Eon series. If appropriate, of course, and not just chucked into the mix for fanboy trainspotting reasons. (For example, one draft of the CR script apparently had a character named Fidele Barbey, which would probably have been nothing more than a rather pointless in-joke.) However, I think the YOLT ending is terrific and would like it to be used one day.

Was there any actual proof/hint that they were going to use it?

Nope, don't think so, but then I've never said otherwise.

You just imagined/hoped they would.

Yep, but what's wrong with that?

[baerrtt]

The difference for me is that it sounds like they're actually going to do it properly unlike LTK or the Brosnan era. The film was, from the get go, always intended as a direct sequel to CR so it's proper (thematically moreso) that it echoes that film strongly.

True.

As for Camille possibly getting killed and Bond quitting the service ... their respective fates are far more realistic (given her character's motivation and Bond's) than Bond getting amnesia and/or going missing.

Again, true.

Why should you be dissapointed that they're not going to use the YOLT ending?

Simply because I want to see as many unused Fleming elements as possible in the Eon series. If appropriate, of course, and not just chucked into the mix for fanboy trainspotting reasons. However, I think the YOLT ending is terrific and would like it to be used one day.

Was there any actual proof/hint that they were going to use it?

Nope, don't think so, but then I've never said otherwise.

You just imagined/hoped they would.

Yep, but what's wrong with that?

Nothing's wrong with you hoping they would use that particualr plot element of YOLT. I just think that sometimes (from experience with this and other fandoms I'm part of) fans can get disappointed if the product isn't or doesn't match what they've had in their heads (look at the posts here and elsewhere imagining 'gritty' Fleming like plots for Lazenby and Dalton if both men had stayed longer in the role).

[Ace Roberts]

A couple of things caught my attention - 1) the reviewer was apparently not impressed with the foot chase section (sewers - rooftop) of the film. In fact, made the comment that it was over in a minute. After viewing the elaborate set-up with the cranes and seeing some of the footage in the webisodes - if it is a very short sequence then that is VERY disappointing. 2) The reviewer mentions the plane sequence as being one of their favorites - yet doesn't mention the (supposed) parachute exit - either he was avoiding additional spoilers or this doesn't unfold the way we think it does.

I am also surpirsed that addiional reviews haven't surfaced on sites that typically carry these things - like Aint-it-cool-news. I'm not saying this person is not legit - but it would help to know that "others" saw this as well and get second opinions.

[Safari Suit]

Naturally anything posted on an IMDB message board gives me doubts but IF the information is true it sounds like we've got a Marc Forster film which just happens to have James Bond as it's lead character.

I don't see that at all.

[Marketto007]

Mathis dies?
Camille dies?
Bond quits the service again
I won't like this movie very much, I'm afraid.

Me neighter. Bond doesn't say the line.

Well, I don't know if I want to believe in this "propably fake" review.

xxx

[YOLT]

Did he saw "James Bond will return" or not ?

[baerrtt]

Naturally anything posted on an IMDB message board gives me doubts but IF the information is true it sounds like we've got a Marc Forster film which just happens to have James Bond as it's lead character.

I don't see that at all.

Nearly all of Forster's films have had it's lead characters being redeemed after some very tragic experiences. I'm not saying it's a bad thing though. If nothing else the results will make for an interesting film (which you always get with Forster) and in a franchise that at one point seemed saturated with so many GOLDFINGER wannabes that's a relief.

[HildebrandRarity]

I feel sick. I should not have read the first post. There are spoilers and then there are spoilers. Greene killing Camille is something I wish I had not read. My bad.

[Marketto007]

Same here.

xxx