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[British Chap]

I think the Camille shown in the trailer proves the description wrong.

She doesn't come off as the obsessed, unredeamable, person that YOLT described.

In fact, she wants to SAVE Bond, not vice-versa.

"I wish I could help you, but your prison is in there (Bond's mind)"

The person YOLT described would not have said that because they have the same problem as Bond.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Captain u might be right.

But Honestly when i read that it made me think "what happens next"

I want to walk out of the theater thinkins "wow that's amazing and What is gonna happen in Bond 23"


the Quiting doesn't seem exactly like CR but maybe that is just me.

[Blonde Bond]

"I wish I could help you, but your prison is in there (Bond's mind)"

That was the only line I couldn't hear right, no matter how hard I tried. It was either her accent or my bad english.

I thought I heard freezing and breezing... and thought, that maybe she was saying something about Bond having a freeze image of Vesper in his mind. Thanks for decoding the line for me. I couldn't have done it by myself.

[sharpshooter]

the ending of Yolt's thing is the only thing that floored me I hope Quantum has as good of an ending similar to Casino Royale.

Really. I felt the whole Bond-resigning-because-he-sees-how-bad-it-can-be and the death of Camille prompting him to spare Greene's life were pretty much identical to Casino Royale and Vesper.

I don't think so.

As we know in CR, he sent his resignation to M via email to spend the rest of his life with Vesper. The resignation was by all means never official, it was pending, with Bond and M yet to discuss the details of that resignation.

I think it would be an excellent ending for QoS, with the narrative coming full circle. Bond outright resigns as he has had enough and he’s emotionally spent.

[Mr. Blofeld]

I think the Camille shown in the trailer proves the description wrong.

She doesn't come off as the obsessed, unredeamable, person that YOLT described.

In fact, she wants to SAVE Bond, not vice-versa.

"I wish I could help you, but your prison is in there (Bond's mind)"

The person YOLT described would not have said that because they have the same problem as Bond.

Actually, I think she wants to help him break free of his morals to get revenge; I got some damned creepy vibes from her in the trailer...

[CamExam]

So, this review is fake then? I dont feel like looking through 10 pages to find out

[Vauxhall]

So, this review is fake then? I dont feel like looking through 10 pages to find out

Some of it is true, but there are too many factual errors for it to be entirely correct.

[Shrublands]

So, this review is fake then? I dont feel like looking through 10 pages to find out

Some of it is true, but there are too many factual errors for it to be entirely correct.

Are we positive that there are factual errors?
I count two things that are very, very suspect.


1. Elvis killed in plain crash. (doesn’t seem to add up given some images we have of him with Greene, who is dressed in the same shirt as we know he wears in the climax)
2. Camille killed by Greene (But we have Bond and Camille looking post climax, bloody and dirty in the trailer)

But a lot of what makes them suspect is based on educated guess work and supposition.

And a lot of what YOLT said is supported by things that we have discovered to actually be the case after his review, ie that Bond and Camille go out into the desert then come back to the hotel before the climax then go back into the desert. (This seemed to be an odd chain of events when YOLT described them and I felt it damaged his credibility, however images in the trailer now support it.) Also that Camille is present when Mathis is killed.(I didn’t know this before hand, yet recently seen images suggest it’s true)

But if you know something that I don’t that discredits this review please tell me, I’ve been racking my brain looking for something that proves/disproves it and I just keep going round in circles.

[BoogieBond]

So, this review is fake then? I dont feel like looking through 10 pages to find out

Some of it is true, but there are too many factual errors for it to be entirely correct.

Are we positive that there are factual errors?
I count two things that are very, very suspect.


1. Elvis killed in plain crash. (doesn’t seem to add up given some images we have of him with Greene, who is dressed in the same shirt as we know he wears in the climax)
2. Camille killed by Greene (Bond and Camille looking post climax, bloody and dirty in the trailer)

But a lot of what makes them suspect is based on educated guess work and supposition.

But a lot of what YOLT said is supported by things that we have discovered to actually be the case after his review, ie that Bond and Camille go out into the desert then come back to the hotel before the climax then go back into the desert. That Camille is present when Mathis is killed.

But if you know something that I don’t that discredits this review please tell me, I’ve been racking my brain looking for something that proves/disproves it and I just keep going round in circles.

I agree with you Shrublands. I couldn't say hand on heart that I think the review was a fake/plant.
Other than the reviewer putting things in that were already known. There was also some really nice new stuff in there, that I hope will be in there. The 2 "Mistakes" of how characters die, are compared from flashes of the trailer and based on what characters were wearing. Also certain things that were not mentioned, like the fall into the art gallery and the freefall(which I guess may not be completed, or may be more minor than first thought)
I still think a fair amount of it is correct(Fields death seems on the money, although a lot was known already), or that this guy should be writing the script, cos there were some great ideas in there. Particularly the Bond resigning ending/Greene's fate and the save at the end/Camille eaten up by desire for revenge means bond finds some humanity back etc

Edited by BoogieBond, 12 September 2008 - 12:49 PM.

[Vauxhall]

Mmm, I always thought the shot of a bloodied Bond and Camille in the trailer was from after the plane crash into the desert rather than the actual finale of the movie.

I'd suggest therefore that Bond and Camille crash in the desert, then return to their hotel to regroup, before mounting some sort of attack on Greene's hotel in the desert as the conclusion.

There seems to be enough doubt about Camille's fate that it could happen as described by YOLT, I suppose... Still leaves Elvis' fate as potentially up in the air then.

[Shrublands]

Mmm, I always thought the shot of a bloodied Bond and Camille in the trailer was from after the plane crash into the desert rather than the actual finale of the movie.

During the plain sequence, the first trip into the desert, the night time conversation in the cave(revenge conversation), the return to the hotel and Bond’s discovery of Fields body, Bond and Camille are wearing the clothes from the party sequence.

However, for the bloodied and dirty conversation in the car/truck (Prison in Bond’s Head stuff) they are wearing different clothes suggesting that this is the aftermath of the climatic fight with Greene.

[Vauxhall]

Mmm, I always thought the shot of a bloodied Bond and Camille in the trailer was from after the plane crash into the desert rather than the actual finale of the movie.

During the plain sequence, the first trip into the desert, the night time conversation in the cave(revenge conversation), the return to the hotel and Bond’s discovery of Fields body, Bond and Camille are wearing the clothes from the party sequence.

However, for the bloodied and dirty conversation in the car/truck (Prison in Bond’s Head stuff) they are wearing different clothes suggesting that this is the aftermath of the climatic fight with Greene.

Ah, okay thanks, I see now. I was previously referring to the night time conversation.

[bond 16.05.72]

I always find trailers confusing, I'm always caught out by what I think goes somewhere goes else where in the film.

To be honest I admit to spoilers and will savour the TV spots, but getting into a deep discussion about where what scenes goes is just one step too far.

I know we are fans but some of us have probably learned more than we'd like, I willing to wait till the 30th or whenever it opens,(my bets Thurs 30th in UK)Lets just leave it till we see it or or some will have the film worked out before it released.

Although that is what some of you would probably like, that poor YOLT guy was unindated with questions, how does Camille die, how does Greene die, do you really want the film ruined before you see it.

For the record I still think he saw it, how many times have you seen something and been confused by what you saw and related wrong, I know I have.

[Shrublands]

...or that this guy should be writing the script, cos there were some great ideas in there. Particularly the Bond resigning ending/Greene's fate and the save at the end/Camille eaten up by desire for revenge etc

I also love the notion that Mathis tells Bond the Fleming QoS story, and orders a Vesper Martini.

This is both a lesson to Bond about relationships and trust but the name of the theory is also Mathis dropping a clue to the organization. This ties the Fleming story, the reason why this film is called it, Bond’s need for a QoS and the name of the organisation together very nicely.

If true it will be a highlight, if done well, if not true this YOLT should be writing film scripts (as you say) not messing about on the net.

[Vauxhall]

I agree. There are some fantastic ideas in YOLT's review, and I do hope it turns out to be true. With the exception of a couple of anomalies, it all rung true to me on first reading, given what I already know about the plot of QUANTUM OF SOLACE. Time shall tell, but I'm willing to place some faith in it for the moment.

[Shrublands]

I also love the notion that Mathis tells Bond the Fleming QoS story, and orders a Vesper Martini.

This is both a lesson to Bond about relationships and trust but the name of the theory is also Mathis dropping a clue to the organization. This ties the Fleming story, the reason why this film is called it, Bond’s need for a QoS and the name of the organisation together very nicely.

He also says that this happens on an aeroplane, so a glib remark from Bond (with his armour back on) about marrying an air hostess could be the prompt.

I would love it if it was.

[Quantumofsolace007]

I also love the notion that Mathis tells Bond the Fleming QoS story, and orders a Vesper Martini.

This is both a lesson to Bond about relationships and trust but the name of the theory is also Mathis dropping a clue to the organization. This ties the Fleming story, the reason why this film is called it, Bond’s need for a QoS and the name of the organisation together very nicely.

He also says that this happens on an aeroplane, so a glib remark from Bond (with his armour back on) about marrying an air hostess could be the prompt.

I would love it if it was.

I totally agree this would be a highlight.


the ending of Yolt's QOS is what makes me think "Ok well now what happens"

plus I feel Craig would pull of the airline hostess line amazingly well.

[Mr. Blofeld]

I also love the notion that Mathis tells Bond the Fleming QoS story, and orders a Vesper Martini.

This is both a lesson to Bond about relationships and trust but the name of the theory is also Mathis dropping a clue to the organization. This ties the Fleming story, the reason why this film is called it, Bond’s need for a QoS and the name of the organisation together very nicely.

He also says that this happens on an aeroplane, so a glib remark from Bond (with his armour back on) about marrying an air hostess could be the prompt.

I would love it if it was.

I totally agree this would be a highlight.


the ending of Yolt's QOS is what makes me think "Ok well now what happens"

plus I feel Craig would pull of the airline hostess line amazingly well.

I agree; not even Connery (who was the first Bond to put the moves on an air hostess!) could do it better.

[Quantumofsolace007]

so is the review true?

[DamnCoffee]

Well I'd like it to be true.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Well I'd like it to be true.

I think most of us either believe it to be true or hope it is true.

which i must point out if it is true it casts the bond 23 rumour and possible title in a whole new light


James bond will return in
007 in New York

stranger things have happened

Edited by Quantumofsolace007, 13 September 2008 - 08:50 PM.

[Conlazmoodalbrocra]

Well I'd like it to be true.

I think most of us either believe it to be true or hope it is true.

which i must point out if it is true it casts the bond 23 rumour and possible title in a whole new light


James bond will return in
007 in New York

stranger things have happened

Not me, I only like parts of it!

[Quantumofsolace007]

Well I'd like it to be true.

I think most of us either believe it to be true or hope it is true.

which i must point out if it is true it casts the bond 23 rumour and possible title in a whole new light


James bond will return in
007 in New York

stranger things have happened

Not me, I only like parts of it!

what parts if i may ask do u like? and what parts don't you like?

[Royal Dalton]

I'll give the review the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

I know there are some dubious things in it. But it's not outside the realms of possibility that Elvis could die in a plane crash escaping from the eco-hotel during the film's climax.

Similarly, just because Camille is seen alive in the jeep (presumably, post-fight) in the trailer, doesn't necessarily mean that she'll survive until the end. We've all seen enough films to know that the bad guy can pop up again for one last hurrah.

[Conlazmoodalbrocra]

Well I'd like it to be true.

I think most of us either believe it to be true or hope it is true.

which i must point out if it is true it casts the bond 23 rumour and possible title in a whole new light


James bond will return in
007 in New York

stranger things have happened

Not me, I only like parts of it!

what parts if i may ask do u like? and what parts don't you like?

Of course! Erm, well I don't want to go over everything, but I really like the way Mathis is killed and the descriptions YOLT gives us of some of the characters. It sounds as if there will be significant character exploration in Quantum Of Solace which I would be delighted to see. However, the thing I dislike most about this prospective movie is Camille dying and Greene surviving AND Bond's resignation - just can't see where this would lead really (for Bond 23) and it annoys me slightly that Bond resigns for the second consecutive film.

[Kristian]

However, the thing I dislike most about this prospective movie is Camille dying and Greene surviving AND Bond's resignation - just can't see where this would lead really (for Bond 23) and it annoys me slightly that Bond resigns for the second consecutive film.

I know what you mean. It's getting redundant and repetitive - this whole boo-hoo-I-want-to-save-my-soul-so-I'll-quit routine. Reminds me of a co-worker that resigned, then recanted, then resigned, then recanted, then resigned for real. By then, everyone was rolling their eyes and wish he would just go already. The producers better not overplay this resignation thing. It's getting old.

And I have a problem with them killing off every single Bond girl that encounters Daniel Craig. ARe they living up to Greene's comment about everything Bond touches withering and dying?

Either way - let Camille live.

Edited by Kristian, 14 September 2008 - 01:29 AM.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Well I'd like it to be true.

I think most of us either believe it to be true or hope it is true.

which i must point out if it is true it casts the bond 23 rumour and possible title in a whole new light


James bond will return in
007 in New York

stranger things have happened

Not me, I only like parts of it!

what parts if i may ask do u like? and what parts don't you like?

Of course! Erm, well I don't want to go over everything, but I really like the way Mathis is killed and the descriptions YOLT gives us of some of the characters. It sounds as if there will be significant character exploration in Quantum Of Solace which I would be delighted to see. However, the thing I dislike most about this prospective movie is Camille dying and Greene surviving AND Bond's resignation - just can't see where this would lead really (for Bond 23) and it annoys me slightly that Bond resigns for the second consecutive film.

well the resignation is different. and yes it puts bond in a tight spot for 23 but that is what the producers what i believe (if it's all true)


Like i said it makes for a different bond film and i like it for it.

[Vauxhall]

which i must point out if it is true it casts the bond 23 rumour and possible title in a whole new light

James bond will return in
007 in New York

stranger things have happened

Off topic - but, for the record, there is absolutely no rumour that BOND 23 will be called 007 IN NEW YORK. Simply that there could be filming in New York City.

[Quantumofsolace007]

which i must point out if it is true it casts the bond 23 rumour and possible title in a whole new light

James bond will return in
007 in New York

stranger things have happened

Off topic - but, for the record, there is absolutely no rumour that BOND 23 will be called 007 IN NEW YORK. Simply that there could be filming in New York City.

Sigh rain on my parade.

True there isn't a rumour but meh considering new york is the only rumoured location. I'm rumouring it as a title.


However if the 2010 date is legit next summer we will be waist deep in title plot cast and director rumours so 007 in new york is bound to come up.

[Burnsy]

My thoughts after reading this (whether its true or not), is that I really wish I hadn't! Lmao