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[Simon Beavis]

If he does live, I wonder If he may get a Kronsteen kinda death, like From Russia With Love in Bond 23.

That would be a bit of a waste. Why have him survive QOS if his appearance in the next film involving Quantum would have him being punked out after only 2 to 3 minutes of screen time? If he survives QOS, then have him be involved in whatever Quantum is planning in the next film involving them, his second encounter with Bond most likely being his last. If he doesn't, then the "big fish" can take a more active role in things.

Kronsteen survived the novel, and probably would have encountered Bond in a later book if the early 1960s Cold War climate hadn't prompted Fleming to drop SMERSH as Bond's enemy.

[Mister E]

That would be a bit of a waste. Why have him survive QOS if his appearance in the next film involving Quantum would have him being punked out after only 2 to 3 minutes of screen time? If he survives QOS, then have him be involved in whatever Quantum is planning in the next film involving them, his second encounter with Bond most likely being his last. If he doesn't, then the "big fish" can take a more active role in things.

Greene could be in the background by Bond 23 but his aching for revenge would screw up Quantum's plans. We never had a Bond film were the villian wants revenge against Bond since they usually die in their first appearance so this would be a perfect time to do it.

Kronsteen survived the novel, and probably would have encountered Bond in a later book if the early 1960s Cold War climate hadn't prompted Fleming to drop SMERSH as Bond's enemy.

I don't think Fleming would have let SMERSH take another crack at Bond. The failure of there first attack was a great humiliation and risking a secound failure would be even worse.

Edited by Mister E, 09 September 2008 - 07:20 PM.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Well, the leaked trailer seems to confirm YOLT's claims; it's legit, then.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Well, the leaked trailer seems to confirm YOLT's claims; it's legit, then.

be careful tommorow many may say it'sd not lol


but if it is legit dancing on cloud nine

[Mr. Blofeld]

but if it is legit dancing on cloud nine

Be careful not to trip and fall headfirst into the gallery ceiling...

[Pierce - Daniel]

Fake

He says Elvis dies in a plane crash he's clearly in the finale. He also says that Bond and Greene fight in the desert with the axe but here it is clear that Greene has an axe on Bond in the building.

[Mister E]

Fake
He also says that Bond and Greene fight in the desert with the axe but here it is clear that Greene has an axe on Bond in the building.

Which is in the desert so that statement was valid.

Edited by Mister E, 10 September 2008 - 12:29 AM.

[Harmsway]

I don't understand your point here. The dog fight looks like it will take place in the finale.

No, it doesn't. 'Cause the outfit Bond wears in the finale is considerably different than the airplane attire. The airplane attire is the same formal wear from Greene's eco-event, and so their trek through the desert undoubtedly follows after they've taken their freefall from the airplane.

And it looks like the car scene, where Camille caresses Bond's face ("I wish I could set you free, but your prison's in there..."), takes place after the finale. I say this 'cause they're wearing the same outfits from the entry to Greene's eco-hotel, but now they're mighty dirty, and it sounds like some dialogue that might fit their good-bye. So it's my guess that she survives the film, since she sure doesn't die before Bond takes on Greene.

Yeah, I don't think things are adding up well for YOLT's review.

[Mister E]

No, it doesn't. 'Cause the outfit Bond wears in the finale is considerably different than the airplane attire. The airplane attire is the same formal wear from Greene's eco-event, and so their trek through the desert undoubtedly follows after they've taken their freefall from the airplane.

Ah yes ! You are right ! Apologies PD, you were right on that point.

[Cody]

I'm glad to hear that evidence is adding up to the review being fake. I couldn't resist reading and it gave me more information than I wanted, I've been trying to scrub the details from my brain since. Now I can hopefully go back to being mostly clueless and avoid any further spoilers.

[Mister E]

Harms made a good point about Camille not being killed. Bond looked pretty banged up and that couldn't have been before he took on Greene and it looks like he did leave him the dessert.

[sharpshooter]

Yeah, I don't think things are adding up well for YOLT's review.

Shame. I am always sceptical of these IMDb 'reviews'. I was somehow sold on this one, it seemed to be genuine. Well, this is to be expected I guess. On the light side, we still have an entire film of surprises waiting for us to discover on the big screen.

[Captain Tightpants]

I don't understand your point here. The dog fight looks like it will take place in the finale.

No, it doesn't. 'Cause the outfit Bond wears in the finale is considerably different than the airplane attire. The airplane attire is the same formal wear from Greene's eco-event, and so their trek through the desert undoubtedly follows after they've taken their freefall from the airplane.

And it looks like the car scene, where Camille caresses Bond's face ("I wish I could set you free, but your prison's in there..."), takes place after the finale. I say this 'cause they're wearing the same outfits from the entry to Greene's eco-hotel, but now they're mighty dirty, and it sounds like some dialogue that might fit their good-bye. So it's my guess that she survives the film, since she sure doesn't die before Bond takes on Greene.

Yeah, I don't think things are adding up well for YOLT's review.

Kind of like that other "review" that claimed Medrano died during te boat chase, even though he's one of the msot important characters, and without him, there would be no second or third acts.

[Harmsway]

Kind of like that other "review" that claimed Medrano died during te boat chase, even though he's one of the msot important characters, and without him, there would be no second or third acts.

Yeah.

In fact, looking at the trailer it seems Medrano is part of the finale as well. The footage with Greene and Medrano exchanging the money in the eco-hotel has Greene and Elvis in the same outfits they wear for the finale. It would appear that Bond and Camille crash the meeting, each pursuing their own goal.

[DamnCoffee]

"And it looks like the car scene, where Camille caresses Bond's face ("I wish I could set you free, but your prison's in there..."), takes place after the finale"

Hmmmm, I thought that scene was just before we saw the picture of Bond getting out of the car with the bloody shirt, we see him wearing it in the trailer during his discussion with Camille on revenge, ("Tell me when you do, I want to know how it feels")

[SecretAgentFan]

Could the first scene in the trailer be the last scene of the movie? Camille leaving Bond in the desert? Forster talked about the desert as a metaphor for Bond´s stony heart, his refusal to open up for any feeling after Vesper. According to EMPIRE the last scene was to take place in the snow and Forster changed it to the desert, right?

[Mr. Blofeld]

Nooo, the last scene is in Moscow...

[SecretAgentFan]

You know that for sure?

[ImTheMoneypenny]

I'm glad to hear that evidence is adding up to the review being fake. I couldn't resist reading and it gave me more information than I wanted, I've been trying to scrub the details from my brain since. Now I can hopefully go back to being mostly clueless and avoid any further spoilers.

I'm been trying to do the same. It's sort of like trying to unring a bell. After reading the 'review' I've had spoilers remorse. So I've been really hoping it's fake.

Still the trailer has left my head spinning so much I might have spun the 'review' right out of it.

[Conlazmoodalbrocra]

I think I've swallowed up too many legit spoilers for YOLT's review to make any impact anyway. I wish I'd stayed spoiler free Will do for Bond 23!

[Quantumofsolace007]

I still say I like the ending YOLT has.


though i'm telling you we all know bond goes to moscow to speak with Yusef (After all "this man and i have unfinished business")

we saw it now in the trailer M and bond talking in the snow i know that this is the last bit of dialogue.

as to what is said? who knows.


I will say this if Bond Quits at the end of QOS it will be bold and exciting. and i have a funny feeling will get a fleming titled bond for 23. my gut says Property of a Lady.

[SecretAgentFan]

Excuse me for being so dumb but...

... why do you know that Bond going to Moscow and the Bond/M conversation in the snow is the last scene?

[DamnCoffee]

I really do think YOLT's review is Legit. It just seems right for some reason. He says Bond and Camille go BACK to the hotel after been in the desert. Didn't he also say Bond shoots through the skylight at Medrano's HQ?

[Harmsway]

Didn't he also say Bond shoots through the skylight at Medrano's HQ?

But Bond is shooting through the skylight of the ecohotel, which is Greene's place.

It's pretty clear in the trailer that Bond and Camille assault the ecohotel to get both Medrano and Greene while they're making the deal (hence the fact that Greene's wearing the same attire that he does in the final battle with the axe). It all goes down there. And it's seemingly *after* that all when Bond and Camille are in the car talking 'cause they're all messed up (presumably after they've dropped Greene off in the middle of the desert, as visible in the opening shots of the trailer).

And with the huge gaff about Elvis' death and some other questionable story point, I think the review is starting to show some holes. Either YOLT was confused, or he really concocted this story from the news that was available. I'm still torn because if these other things didn't get in the way, I'd be inclined to believe it was legit.

[JimmyBond]

I'm hoping it's false, cause I really want Camille to survive the movie.

Unless of course her death is the final catalyst that shows Bond the path of revenge is one that will ultimately lead to his own death.

[Vauxhall]

I've only just read this review (if it is legit of course) and it all adds up to me. Quite a few shocks though, particularly the fates of Camille and Greene, but it's refreshing to see the formula shaken up. If there is as much emphasis placed on character as this report would suggest, then I am very excited indeed.

[Harmsway]

I've only just read this review (if it is legit of course) and it all adds up to me. Quite a few shocks though, particularly the fates of Camille and Greene, but it's refreshing to see the formula shaken up. If there is as much emphasis placed on character as this report would suggest, then I am very excited indeed.

Read my posts above. There's reason to question the review's legitimacy, 'cause it makes some pretty substantial gaffs (Elvis can't die in a plane crash, for instance, and the chronology he gives the finale is clearly off - looking at the trailer Camille can't die before the Bond/Greene battle).

[Vauxhall]

I've only just read this review (if it is legit of course) and it all adds up to me. Quite a few shocks though, particularly the fates of Camille and Greene, but it's refreshing to see the formula shaken up. If there is as much emphasis placed on character as this report would suggest, then I am very excited indeed.

Read my posts above. There's reason to question the review's legitimacy, 'cause it makes some pretty substantial gaffs (Elvis can't die in a plane crash, for instance, and the chronology he gives the finale is clearly off - looking at the trailer Camille can't die before the Bond/Greene battle).

Ah, thanks for that Harms. I'm out of the loop, had only read the original post and hadn't seen the pieces of "information" about Elvis' alleged death and so on. Cheers again.

[Quantumofsolace007]

but i still say the ending coukld be legit i hope.


oh well if YOLT is false the trailer shows what i liked about his "review"

Character devlopment AND great action.


the ending of Yolt's thing is the only thing that floored me I hope Quantum has as good of an ending similar to Casino Royale.

[Captain Tightpants]

the ending of Yolt's thing is the only thing that floored me I hope Quantum has as good of an ending similar to Casino Royale.

Really. I felt the whole Bond-resigning-because-he-sees-how-bad-it-can-be and the death of Camille prompting him to spare Greene's life were pretty much identical to Casino Royale and Vesper.