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[The Ghost Who Walks]

I hope they hire somebody not named David Koepp to write it.

[Agent 76]

Yes, he says that all of the big three are onboard once again, so it seems like it has a positive chance of happening.

those being Ford, Lucas and Spielberg, right?

[bond 16.05.72]

Yes, he says that all of the big three are onboard once again, so it seems like it has a positive chance of happening.

those being Ford, Lucas and Spielberg, right?

I won't be contributing to the box office of this after that travesty of an abortion of a movie, I'd rather watch any of the SW prequels than go through that again.

I can't believe people would get excited at the prospect of another huge disappointment, what makes you think it we'll be any better, the other made shed loads so why even try, the word is Transformers 2 is worst than it's predecessor, they knew it would make money so why bother just deliver lots SFX for 150 mins.

[Loomis]

I won't be contributing to the box office of this after that travesty of an abortion of a movie, I'd rather watch any of the SW prequels than go through that again.

Same here. The only way I'll be interested is if Spielberg adopts a radically different style a la MUNICH.

I can't believe people would get excited at the prospect of another huge disappointment, what makes you think it we'll be any better

Quite. I don't see any evidence that Ford, LaBeouf, Lucas, Marshall, Spielberg and co. are aiming to atone for CRYSTAL SKULL. They probably think it was a stomping success and are gearing up for more of the same. It won't be the ROCKY BALBOA to the last one's ROCKY V.

[Safari Suit]

I've heard the second Transformers film has a scene where LaBeouf's mum eats a "special" brownie (you know, for kids!) and then acts kind of funny. How did they come up with such original material? I hope they don't have another scene where a robot pisses on a guy, because if they do my sides might literally split open, which will leave the theatre in a hell of a mess.

[JackWade]

I hope they hire somebody not named David Koepp to write it.

And somebody not named George Lucas as well.

[Agent 76]

I hope they hire somebody not named David Koepp to write it.

And somebody not named George Lucas as well.

altough it's inevitable that he'll be there. afterall he and Spielberg created the character.

[JackWade]

I've heard the second Transformers film has a scene where LaBeouf's mum eats a "special" brownie (you know, for kids!) and then acts kind of funny. How did they come up with such original material? I hope they don't have another scene where a robot pisses on a guy, because if they do my sides might literally split open, which will leave the theatre in a hell of a mess.

If you think those are bad...

Spoiler

Apparently there's an instance of Decepticon testicles.

[Harmsway]

The only way I'll be interested is if Spielberg adopts a radically different style a la MUNICH.

I'd be interested in that, too, but it's not gonna happen.

Quite. I don't see any evidence that Ford, LaBeouf, Lucas, Marshall, Spielberg and co. are aiming to atone for CRYSTAL SKULL. They probably think it was a stomping success and are gearing up for more of the same. It won't be the ROCKY BALBOA to the last one's ROCKY V.

Of course it won't. In all likelihood, it will be more of the family-friendly shtick. In fact, that's almost guaranteed. There's not going to be any extraordinary change of direction (though Spielberg has occasionally toyed with crazy ideas for his franchises in the past--his ideas for JURASSIC PARK IV were positively nuts--so it's not inconceivable that he wants to do something different here).

But even so, it's pretty easy to imagine a "more of the same" entry that's still quite a bit better than KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL. As an Indiana Jones fan, I'll take that.

[DamnCoffee]

Something what I didn't get in KOTSC...

Spalko, extends her hand to Indy, saying "I am Doctor Irina Spalko!"

Later on...

Indy: Drop Your Guns! Or Doctor Irina Spalko is DEAD!

*Cut to the Interrogation*

Indy: Who WAS that woman!!? Tall, Mid 30's, Carried a rapier. *Gets shown file* Yeah, that's her. Who is she?






Plus, how did Indy get off the train, if they were running out of platform?

Also, when Mutt mentions Marion, Indy replies with "I've known a lot of Marions, kid." I mean, If I was Indy, the first Marion that would come to my head, is the one that I was planning to marry.

[Safari Suit]

I've heard the second Transformers film has a scene where LaBeouf's mum eats a "special" brownie (you know, for kids!) and then acts kind of funny. How did they come up with such original material? I hope they don't have another scene where a robot pisses on a guy, because if they do my sides might literally split open, which will leave the theatre in a hell of a mess.

If you think those are bad...

Spoiler

Apparently there's an instance of Decepticon testicles.

Bloody hell! And people found the nipples on the batsuit tasteless!

[Mike00spy]

Something what I didn't get in KOTSC...

Spalko, extends her hand to Indy, saying "I am Doctor Irina Spalko!"

Later on...

Indy: Drop Your Guns! Or Doctor Irina Spalko is DEAD!

*Cut to the Interrogation*

Indy: Who WAS that woman!!? Tall, Mid 30's, Carried a rapier. *Gets shown file* Yeah, that's her. Who is she?






Plus, how did Indy get off the train, if they were running out of platform?

Maybe he, you know, forgot??? He did go through a lot just then. :-)

Anyway, I love Indy IV and at the same time will concede that it is 4th in rank. Bring on Indy V for me.

Don't count on it being the same as Skull, however. Each Indy film is a reaction of the previous. Temple is darker than Raiders. The dark tone of Temple made them tone it down for Crusade. Skull's tone is a bit lighter than Crusade, due to 20 years of nostalgia. I would expect V to inch closer to LC/Raiders terriorty.

[The Dove]

Let me attempt to solve your questions Mharkin..

A. Indy asking for Irina's ID..

- Indy was only given her name during the scene in the warehouse..it is most likely he knows absolutely nothing about her background so thats why he demands to know more about her in the interrogation scene.


B. Regarding Indy getting off the train...

- A non-important factor.. most likely that Indy pulled the emergency stop cable and stopped the train either at the station or shortly after they left the platform..either way, Indy could still jump off with no problem.

C. Re. Indy not remembering Marion... It is possible that after a bitter break up with Marion Ravenwood and after 20 years have gone by, why would one assume that he would immediately connect Mutt with Marion Ravenwood?

[Mike00spy]

Let me attempt to solve your questions Mharkin..

A. Indy asking for Irina's ID..

- Indy was only given her name during the scene in the warehouse..it is most likely he knows absolutely nothing about her background so thats why he demands to know more about her in the interrogation scene.


B. Regarding Indy getting off the train...

- A non-important factor.. most likely that Indy pulled the emergency stop cable and stopped the train either at the station or shortly after they left the platform..either way, Indy could still jump off with no problem.

C. Re. Indy not remembering Marion... It is possible that after a bitter break up with Marion Ravenwood and after 20 years have gone by, why would one assume that he would immediately connect Mutt with Marion Ravenwood?

As for Marion, I always heard Mutt refer to her as "Mary" in the diner scene- perhaps it is just my ears...

[The Dove]

Hmm.. I think this is right.. he refers to her as "Mary Williams" at first...Marion's new name after marrying Colin Williams..

[DamnCoffee]

I'm sure he says Marion.

"Marion? Marion Williams, you remember her?"
"I knew a lot of Marions kid."

[JimmyBond]

No he definately calls her Mary. And Indy says "Kid I've known a lot of Marys."

Safe to bet that Indy didnt connect Mary with Marion.

[marktmurphy]

It's Mary, yes.

[jaguar007]

Also, when Mutt mentions Marion, Indy replies with "I've known a lot of Marions, kid." I mean, If I was Indy, the first Marion that would come to my head, is the one that I was planning to marry.

It is because Mutt refers to her as Mary Williams, not Marion. edit- A few people beat me to it. I forgot to refresh my screen before posting

As for another Indy movie, if they can do it well, I am all for it. There is no evidence that if they do another one it will be another KOTCS. That is like not seeing CR because DAD was so bad.

[The Ghost Who Walks]

I hope they hire somebody not named David Koepp to write it.

And somebody not named George Lucas as well.

Being a huge admirer of the guy and apparently the sole fan of the Star Wars prequels on this board, I want Lucas to be part of the film in some way. What they need to do is to hire a really interesting writer hungry for making a great Indiana Jones movie. Maybe Spielberg can then find enough enthusiasm to actually shoot a decent action scene again. Edgar Wright, maybe?

I need to read the Frank Darabont script for Indy 4. It can't possibly have been less interesting than what they ended up using (even the reported scene of a monkey pooping on Indy would have been funnier than some of the Bugs Bunny/Jar Jar-ish that ended up in Crystal Skull).

[bondboy007]

I'm totally up for another Indy movie. It could work either as a prequel or sequel to KotCS. If it would be a prequel then that would be easy, leave out Mutt and Marion, if it is a sequel though then I'd like to see Mutt only talked about or in a small role at the beginning. Indy himself wanted Mutt to go back to school, I didn't think Shia did a bad job at all with the character, but the family tag along adventure worked in TLC, it was overdone in KotCS. Make it darker and the first way to do that is to have Indy more or less by himself or with one or two others, not 5 or 6.

I'm one of those 'weird people' who actually LOVE Temple of Doom. I'd even venture to say I like it just as much as Raiders. I like Crusade a lot too, and I feel that Indy V would be a smashing success if it is as good as Crusade. We need a more Indy-centric script, we need to make sure that the MacGuffin is something people can half way understand and we need to make sure that the script is more serious, actually has a plot that develops and is less campy overall.

The alien thing wasn't what ruined Skull, it was how the entire plot was handled and how the Skull's power was actually explained. It was a mess of a script. Having said that though, aliens didn't help the matter and I'm sure everyone would love to see Indy going after a well known artifact again....something like the Staff of Moses that was featured in the recent Indy video game.

[Loomis]

The only way I'll be interested is if Spielberg adopts a radically different style a la MUNICH.

I'd be interested in that, too, but it's not gonna happen.

Quite. I don't see any evidence that Ford, LaBeouf, Lucas, Marshall, Spielberg and co. are aiming to atone for CRYSTAL SKULL. They probably think it was a stomping success and are gearing up for more of the same. It won't be the ROCKY BALBOA to the last one's ROCKY V.

Of course it won't. In all likelihood, it will be more of the family-friendly shtick. In fact, that's almost guaranteed. There's not going to be any extraordinary change of direction

Well, in that case I find it extraordinary that Spielberg (an immense talent and no longer a young man) should wish to spend any more of the dwindling time left to him making cookie-cutter more-of-the-same Indy Jones flicks. He can't possibly need the money. And if he likes hanging out with Ford and Lucas so much he can damn well go on holiday with them (within the borders of the United States only, apparently).

Seriously. If he were going to do INDY 5 and really shake things up, adopting a radically different style and taking the character into startlingly new territory, then fine. I'd be more than up for that. But to make an INDY 5 that's basically just the same as CRYSTAL SKULL? What's in it for him? This is what I fail to understand. This is the man who gave us EMPIRE OF THE SUN, SCHINDLER'S LIST, AI: ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, MINORITY REPORT and MUNICH, so it's not as though he's a stranger to risk-taking and flexing his creative muscles. For many years I thought he'd do it with INDY 4, in fact - indeed, for a long time I assumed it was the only reason he was doing INDY 4 in the first place, but apparently not. It's a pity that so talented a filmmaker (arguably one of the all-time greats when he's on top form) apparently views the Indiana Jones franchise as somewhere where he can just tread water and indulge a bizarre comfort zone. Oh, well. I'm done with INDY 5 anyway. Y'all enjoy it.

[Harmsway]

Well, in that case I find it extraordinary that Spielberg (an immense talent and no longer a young man) should wish to spend any more of the dwindling time left to him making cookie-cutter more-of-the-same Indy Jones flicks.

Well, me too, honestly.

But it may be the case that his INDY V idea really is a shake-up for the franchise. After all, we know nothing about it. Spielberg has remarked that he feels very "been there, done that" with these flicks, and after a fairly safe film like KINGDOM, he may really feel like he wants to do something different.

Or, more likely, he may want to return to the more "traditional" Indy flick in a way he didn't get to do with KINGDOM. KINGDOM was never really his vision--it was Lucas' approach--and he was battling with Lucas the whole time to make it more in the vein of the traditional set. Given that he seems to be the driving force behind this idea (or at least, Shia indicates that it's Spielberg's idea and not Lucas'), then we can speculate that's where he wants to push things.

[Harmsway]

In a bit of non-news, producer Frank Marshall dropped this note on Twitter:

"The story for Indy5 is progressing. It is still in the research phase."

[Agent 76]

In a bit of non-news, producer Frank Marshall dropped this note on Twitter:

"The story for Indy5 is progressing. It is still in the research phase."

they're searching for the MacGuffin, probably.

[JimmyBond]

In a bit of non-news, producer Frank Marshall dropped this note on Twitter:

"The story for Indy5 is progressing. It is still in the research phase."

they're searching for the MacGuffin, probably.

I hope they find it before Indy does.

[Harmsway]

Well, I imagine Spielberg had one in mind. They just have to explore research it to explore its potential.

[Agent 76]

Well, I imagine Spielberg had one in mind. They just have to explore research it to explore its potential.

I hope Spielberg has a good idea.

[bondboy007]

Well, in that case I find it extraordinary that Spielberg (an immense talent and no longer a young man) should wish to spend any more of the dwindling time left to him making cookie-cutter more-of-the-same Indy Jones flicks.

Well, me too, honestly.

But it may be the case that his INDY V idea really is a shake-up for the franchise. After all, we know nothing about it. Spielberg has remarked that he feels very "been there, done that" with these flicks, and after a fairly safe film like KINGDOM, he may really feel like he wants to do something different.

Or, more likely, he may want to return to the more "traditional" Indy flick in a way he didn't get to do with KINGDOM. KINGDOM was never really his vision--it was Lucas' approach--and he was battling with Lucas the whole time to make it more in the vein of the traditional set. Given that he seems to be the driving force behind this idea (or at least, Shia indicates that it's Spielberg's idea and not Lucas'), then we can speculate that's where he wants to push things.

I'm hoping for the 'traditional' approach. Spielberg was the driving force behind trying to make this film as much like the original trilogy as possible, the newer CGI elements were George's ideas. I would love for Spielberg to come back and make Indy V as long as it is on his terms. If he is coming back simply to channel some of his ideas and most of Lucas's ideas into a movie then I don't want to see it because we'll get a movie like KotCS that is caught in limbo because no one is in agreement about what the film should exactly be like. It had no definitive style and I don't want to see that again, make it traditional, make it darker and make like it like the first 3.

[Harmsway]

the newer CGI elements were George's ideas.

You'd think that, but you'd be entirely wrong.

Interviews with the effects guys on KINGDOM reveal that Spielberg, though he originally wanted to do the film as "old school" as possible, began pushing for more and more CGI on the film because of frustrations he had with the limitations and difficulties imposed on him by regular effects. Unlike the original Indy flicks, KINGDOM was largely a result of improvisation (it was by no means the meticulously planned affairs that RAIDERS, TEMPLE, and CRUSADE were), and so a lot of the demands for effects came up during shooting. KINGDOM was a very, very messy production. To borrow the words of Dr. Jones, they were making it up as they went along.

To be honest, I am really curious as to how satisfied Spielberg truly is with KINGDOM. He seems rather ambivalent towards it on the DVD features (in fact, he blatantly mocks at least one of the story ideas at one point), and the rushed and messy production can't have made him overjoyed. It's quite possible that he very well knows he could give Indy a better send-off.