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[marktmurphy]

It's certainly not inconceivable for a decent Indy entry to be made at this point. KINGDOM was clearly a casualty of an overlong gestation and a conflict of vision between Lucas and Spielberg, as well as a sloppy, rushed production with a sea of on-set rewrites.

If they approach INDY V with a bit more care, I imagine it could turn out just fine. It's just a matter of how much they really put into it, and whether Spielberg's truly on board for the love of it. The last thing we need is another autopilot installment.

As ever, I think you're right: derided though he is, Lucas was obviously fully behind Indy 4 and passionate about his ideas (and I still don't think the aliens idea was a bad one at all); and Harrison turned in his best performance in years if you ask me. Spielberg turned up, and obviously put a lot of hard work in as he was directing the thing (!), but his heart didn't seem 100% in it, judging by the finished product. So if he has decided to have another bash, perhaps Tintin has awoken the adventure side to him, or he wasn't entirely happy with KOTCS and wants to do Indy more justice... for Shia to be talking about it it does seem rather positive, and I for one know I'd watch it a couple of times at the cinema and buy the DVD. C'mon guys- do it.

Oh, video of Shia saying it here:
http://news.bbc.co.u...ent/8102103.stm

[DamnCoffee]

The story is up on digital spy.
http://www.digitalsp...ked-indy-5.html

[The Ghost Who Walks]

I suspect this won't happen. They'll talk about it for ages until Harrison is too old (he still isn't!), but I don't think it'll get off the ground. Look at the ridicilous amount of time it took for them to agree on a script for the last film, and what came out of it smells of compromise from first to last frame.

If Spielberg can somehow recall how it was like to make "fun" movies (not saying his heavier films are boring, mind) we're in for a treat, off course. However, Spielberg on auto-pilot results in uninspired films such as Hook, The Lost World and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, and I really don't need to watch another film like these three, especially not one with such a fantastic character as Indy Jones.

My biggest nigthmare would be to get another film like KOTCS, with dull action, an unengaging plot and a script which has roughly two memorable lines. I hope they listen to the (many?) fans who where displeased with the last outing instead of simply looking at the number of money Indy 4 made and say "Gee, they really liked this one! Let's do it again!".

I'll be first in line to see Indy 5 if it does happen, though. The best reason to make it is for me to "apologize" for what we got served last time.

Oh, and get Timothy Dalton onboard as the villain, to apologize for cutting his part out of "Tintin".

[DamnCoffee]

The Lost Word: Jurassic Park is an epic movie! I actually prefer it to the original.

[The Ghost Who Walks]

Sorry, I was completely bored when I watched (half of) it a few years ago. Loved it as a kid, though, because, duh, it has dinosaurs in it!

[DR76]

Yeah I know, Lucas has been pushing the alien angle for a long while now. I know you're no fan of it Harms, but I actually would have preferred The Saucer Men from Mars script end up being the fifth film than what we got. I enjoyed the campus chase in that script much more than I did in Crystal Skull.

So, if you liked CRYSTAL SKULLS, Spielberg should be credited. If you didn't like it, Lucas is to blame.


Of course there were aliens in the damn film! It's a send-up of 1950s B movies. What the hell did you expect? A 1930s style serial movie set in 1957? Geez!

[DamnCoffee]

I think now that Lucas has finally got his Alien Fetish out the way, they can concentrate on a better and more realistic film. (In Comparison)

I am hoping for a more TOD/TLC type of film for V, and NOT an expansion on the alien angle.

[DR76]

I think now that Lucas has finally got his Alien Fetish out the way, they can concentrate on a better and more realistic film. (In Comparison)

I am hoping for a more TOD/TLC type of film for V, and NOT an expansion on the alien angle.

Ah, still blaming Lucas and not Spielberg. And since when has an INDIANA JONES film ever been realistic? A Nazi regiment in 1936 Egypt? Are you kidding?

Edited by DR76, 16 June 2009 - 10:36 PM.

[DamnCoffee]

I think now that Lucas has finally got his Alien Fetish out the way, they can concentrate on a better and more realistic film. (In Comparison)

I am hoping for a more TOD/TLC type of film for V, and NOT an expansion on the alien angle.

Ah, still blaming Lucas and not Spielberg. And since when has an INDIANA JONES film ever been realistic? A Nazi regiment in 1936 Egypt? Are you kidding?

Like I said... "they can concentrate on a better and more realistic film. (In Comparison) "
As In, I want V to be more realistic in comparison to KOTCS.

[JimmyBond]

Yeah I know, Lucas has been pushing the alien angle for a long while now. I know you're no fan of it Harms, but I actually would have preferred The Saucer Men from Mars script end up being the fifth film than what we got. I enjoyed the campus chase in that script much more than I did in Crystal Skull.

So, if you liked CRYSTAL SKULLS, Spielberg should be credited. If you didn't like it, Lucas is to blame.

Point out where I said that. You can't because I never said anything of the sort. It helps to have a little bit of knowledge of the background going ons with this film. Ever since the 90's Lucas has been pushing for this alien angle into the the fourth film. Look it up, it's well documented.

Of course there were aliens in the damn film! It's a send-up of 1950s B movies. What the hell did you expect? A 1930s style serial movie set in 1957? Geez!

How you can read my post and assume I had any problem at all with the alien aspect is beyond me.

[Harmsway]

As ever, I think you're right: derided though he is, Lucas was obviously fully behind Indy 4 and passionate about his ideas (and I still don't think the aliens idea was a bad one at all); and Harrison turned in his best performance in years if you ask me. Spielberg turned up, and obviously put a lot of hard work in as he was directing the thing (!), but his heart didn't seem 100% in it, judging by the finished product. So if he has decided to have another bash, perhaps Tintin has awoken the adventure side to him, or he wasn't entirely happy with KOTCS and wants to do Indy more justice... for Shia to be talking about it it does seem rather positive, and I for one know I'd watch it a couple of times at the cinema and buy the DVD. C'mon guys- do it.

[Safari Suit]

Lucas Alien Fetish

The Lost Word: Jurassic Park is an epic movie!

I liked it much more than Crystal Skull. The scene with the trailer had more suspense than the whole of Indy's fourth outing.

[JimmyBond]

Compared to the first Jurassic Park, I thought Lost World was weak. However it's a much stronger film than Crystal Skull is.

[marktmurphy]

I haven't watched in years but I remember thinking SS was on total autopilot: how many shots of running water turning red as someone gets killed are there in that? It's a dull film, but there is at least a sense of suspense in some bits: the cracking windscreen bit is, er, cracking.
Perhaps it's better than Skull, I can't remember, but I think I've just got more love for Indy.

Shame dinosaurs are a little old hat: Indy vs. Dinos would be pretty in keeping, I'd say...

[The Dove]

OH MY GOODNESS!

I'm excited, too.
They NEED to make a fifth, to make up for the last one.

:tup:

Hey now!! I loved Kingdom of The Crystal Skull and will proudly defend it!! *ducks out of the thread before getting pelted with rocks and rubbish by all the haters!*

[DamnCoffee]

I rewatched it last night actually.
The conclusion I came up with: An OKAY action film, a terrible Indiana Jones film.

Dove, if you like KOTCS then good on you.

I don't hate it, it's a fun film, when I'm in the mood for it.
It's merely a popcorn movie in my eyes, whereas the first 3 are VERY special to me.

Though Saying that, Imo, KOTCS has the BEST opening 30mins of an Indiana Jones film. I'm quite a fan of the graveyard sequence, too.

[The Dove]

Fair enough Harkers...glad you finds some bits of SKULL enjoyable.. hmm..now that my Alien marathon is all finished, it might be time to revisit the Indiana Jones series..it's been a while!

[DamnCoffee]

Fair enough Harkers...glad you finds some bits of SKULL enjoyable.. hmm..now that my Alien marathon is all finished, it might be time to revisit the Indiana Jones series..it's been a while!

Speaking of Aliens, I really hope Karen Allen doesn't return in Indiana Jones 5. She was one of the main problems I had with the movie.

[Agent 76]

Fair enough Harkers...glad you finds some bits of SKULL enjoyable.. hmm..now that my Alien marathon is all finished, it might be time to revisit the Indiana Jones series..it's been a while!

Speaking of Aliens, I really hope Karen Allen doesn't return in Indiana Jones 5. She was one of the main problems I had with the movie.

Have to agree with you on this one. lol well the movie was all directed to that "family reunion" fest they ended up with. they really tried to have Mr Connery in it.

my biggest problem with it, was also that it feels that the all movie was entirely shot in a studio.

[DamnCoffee]

my biggest problem with it, was also that it feels that the all movie was entirely shot in a studio.

I can actually see what you mean. The only set that stands out for me is the finale set piece. The name escapes me, probably because I don't care.



Ok. I have a question which has been bothering me for ages...

During the Jungle Chase, Indy blows up the path-making machine with a rocket launcher. Which is fine. Then he takes off in a jeep, through the jungle.

Where did the road come from? He blew up the only thing that was creating a path...

[Harmsway]

well the movie was all directed to that "family reunion" fest they ended up with. they really tried to have Mr Connery in it.

Yeah, albeit in a small role. Connery's role would have been Broadbent's, essentially.

my biggest problem with it, was also that it feels that the all movie was entirely shot in a studio.

Yeah. And I suspect INDY V will, more or less, feel that way, too. Spielberg isn't a huge traveler these days.

[marktmurphy]

Though Saying that, Imo, KOTCS has the BEST opening 30mins of an Indiana Jones film. I'm quite a fan of the graveyard sequence, too.

I'll defend Skull quite a bit as I think it's a lot of fun, if a bit flawed. I too think the opening is the best bit as it's more imaginative, fun and exciting than anything else in the film. Not sure I'd say it was the best Indy opening, though (although it's obviously a strong one): I'd have to go with Temple on that one as it's all so alive: witty, glitzy and fast-moving- fantastic song and dance leading to tense confrontation leading to madcap bar fight leading to car chase leading to victorious plane escape leading to plane peril leading to amazing escape leading to snow sledging action leading to white water rafting... and then finally the plot. All of that, plus re-introducing Indy and his two leads for the film. That's how you direct a film: it's masterful.

Yeah. And I suspect INDY V will, more or less, feel that way, too. Spielberg isn't a huge traveler these days.

If they tried another one without leaving the US I think it'd be a tragedy. Indy really needs to be physically standing somewhere exotic: that's the point of him. He did at least get out and about to do Munich (although it's not exactly uncomfortable to shoot in Europe, admittedly! ) so hopefully he could push himself a bit.

[Agent 76]

Though Saying that, Imo, KOTCS has the BEST opening 30mins of an Indiana Jones film. I'm quite a fan of the graveyard sequence, too.

I'll defend Skull quite a bit as I think it's a lot of fun, if a bit flawed. I too think the opening is the best bit as it's more imaginative, fun and exciting than anything else in the film. Not sure I'd say it was the best Indy opening, though (although it's obviously a strong one): I'd have to go with Temple on that one as it's all so alive: witty, glitzy and fast-moving- fantastic song and dance leading to tense confrontation leading to madcap bar fight leading to car chase leading to victorious plane escape leading to plane peril leading to amazing escape leading to snow sledging action leading to white water rafting... and then finally the plot. All of that, plus re-introducing Indy and his two leads for the film. That's how you direct a film: it's masterful.

Yeah. And I suspect INDY V will, more or less, feel that way, too. Spielberg isn't a huge traveler these days.

If they tried another one without leaving the US I think it'd be a tragedy. Indy really needs to be physically standing somewhere exotic: that's the point of him. He did at least get out and about to do Munich (although it's not exactly uncomfortable to shoot in Europe, admittedly! ) so hopefully he could push himself a bit.

the travelogue feel of the original trilogy is one of the best things about it.

[Harmsway]

I'd have to go with Temple on that one as it's all so alive: witty, glitzy and fast-moving- fantastic song and dance leading to tense confrontation leading to madcap bar fight leading to car chase leading to victorious plane escape leading to plane peril leading to amazing escape leading to snow sledging action leading to white water rafting... and then finally the plot. All of that, plus re-introducing Indy and his two leads for the film. That's how you direct a film: it's masterful.

The opening of TEMPLE OF DOOM is certainly marvelous, particularly since it's so different from anything in RAIDERS while still feeling entirely true to the character they presented us in the first flick.

The opening I'm least keen on, actually, is LAST CRUSADE. Not only am I a little less than thrilled with the whole "origin of Indy" bits they threw in there, but it doesn't strike me as all that exciting. The finale on the boat is particularly poor (especially since the set is less than convincing).

Indy really needs to be physically standing somewhere exotic: that's the point of him.

I agree. I'm just not sure how much Spielberg will really be open to far-flung travel.

However, it's also entirely possible that Spielberg isn't planning to direct INDY V, and will simply act as producer (he's suggested that he might do that in the past, and his comments on the KINGDOM DVD had me thinking that Spielberg would be willing to hand over the reigns to somebody else). Maybe a younger director would be all for that kind of extravagant travel.

[marktmurphy]

The hat is officially out of the bag. On Monday Shia Labeouf let slip that a follow up to Indiana Jones And The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was on the cards and now Frank Marshall has pretty much confirmed it, suggesting that Indy V could be approaching the pencil-chewing script development stage.

Although he didn't specify timelines, Marshall told Empire that ideas would be worked on with a view to green-lighting production sooner rather than later. "It's really about the script," says the veteran Indy producer. "Once we see that, we'll see. We're not going to wait another 20 years. We'd all love to make another one. I'm anxious to hear the idea!"

Empire: Indiana Jones 5 is a go!

[DamnCoffee]

Brilliant!

Oh my god, I'm actually ecstatic.

[The Ghost Who Walks]

Reading the above "announcement", the cynic in me said "Hm, could be cool". My inner-kid, on the other hand, immediately shouted "YESSSS!!!!!!!".

I can't fool myself, I'm still extremely excited to get another Indy adventure. I really hope it happens, and that it will be a vast improvement over the fourth film. Maybe I should give Crystal Skull a third chance too, thinking of it.

[Jackanaples]

I'm increasingly of the belief that adventure needs a new name.

[Harmsway]

The hat is officially out of the bag. On Monday Shia Labeouf let slip that a follow up to Indiana Jones And The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was on the cards and now Frank Marshall has pretty much confirmed it, suggesting that Indy V could be approaching the pencil-chewing script development stage.

Although he didn't specify timelines, Marshall told Empire that ideas would be worked on with a view to green-lighting production sooner rather than later. "It's really about the script," says the veteran Indy producer. "Once we see that, we'll see. We're not going to wait another 20 years. We'd all love to make another one. I'm anxious to hear the idea!"

Empire: Indiana Jones 5 is a go!

Doesn't sound all that definite, but I'm glad there's progress. I want to see INDY V.

[marktmurphy]

Yes, he says that all of the big three are onboard once again, so it seems like it has a positive chance of happening.