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[Dell Deaton]

You're messing with my mind, Hildebrand.

Hey, what do I know....

I ask every Rolex-wearing customer*....

... Now back to the Planet Ocean and Daniel Craig--. ... a bit of homework for VM, if he's open to it....

... The easiest option is for us all to gather as many photos as we can of Daniel Craig wearing the Planet Ocean during filming, collate them all together, cross-reference them against one another....

Funny you should phrase it that way.

As you know, there's a very serious debate that's gone on among Speedmaster owners regarding the calibre of the first watch worn on the moon. Within the last year, a guy surfaces w/ a huge analysis of computer-enhanced images on which he made precise measurements to pick up the tiniest of details in search of "the definitive answer." If memory serves, it was a multi-year effort, and one that involved some degree of expense. His write-up was long, and at some points quite subject to the criticism that he was picking gnat poop out of pepper in some key judgment calls.

In other words, all this discussion can ultimately ever be is an enjoyable passtime among CBn friends. I, for one, am quite enjoying myself here w/ you all!
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*Once again, I've responded to VM's valuable input on the Rolex question outside of this Thread (here), to avoid hijacking this one (and causing folks' eyes to roll back in their heads w/ technical detail).

Edited by Dell Deaton, 11 May 2008 - 11:23 AM.

[Vodka Martino]

Funny you should phrase it that way.

As you know, there's a very serious debate that's gone on among Speedmaster owners regarding the calibre of the first watch worn on the moon. Within the last year, a guy surfaces w/ a huge analysis of computer-enhanced images on which he made precise measurements to pick up the tiniest of details in search of "the definitive answer."

Dell, that guy needs a girlfriend.

VM

[chuck3]

Gentlemen. This forum is getting pretty hilarious given the nature of the past few threads...it's extremely entertaining to read the interactive 'banter' between all of us. And it's quite refreshing to know that there are people out there (ahem, yourselves) who are just as fanatical about 007 and his watches as I am! My wife thinks I'm crazy spending my time googling "QOS spy-shots" and "Omega in Bond 22" to catch a glimpse of what James might be wearing on his wrist in his next outing. This however is neither here nor there, given we all have our hobbies.

Now, back to the topic at hand. After all we have read, researched and found, it is safe to assume that Bond will be wearing a Planet Ocean in QoS. As a resident expert (I'm flattered Hildebrand), I arrive at the following conclusion: Bond will be wearing BOTH the 42 and 45.5mm PO in QoS, depending on how Marc Forster shoots the various scenes. This idea is not foreign because we all know that during the Pierce Brosnan era, many different Omega's (quartz, automatic, 36.2mm, 41mm etc) were used throughout production to capture to 'essence' of the scene, and some, if not all, were made NOT to run, so that the time could be set quickly to parallel the time in the movie. We also know that double-sided tape has been used in various instances to hold the watch in place.

So that's my theory.

One question to HildebrandRarity, where do you find that "The black dial from the Floating Stage interview in Austria [personal* watch only?] goes to a blue face later in the movie in the Atacama desert?" Did I miss out on something? Every picture I've seen shows a PO. Knowing way too much about watches, and owning a PO, the double-sided anti-reflective coating applied to the crystal gives off a bluish hue in certain light. Is this what you are referring to? Or are you referring to the actual blue faced "James Bond watch, ref # 2220.80.00?

[HildebrandRarity]

One question to HildebrandRarity, where do you find that "The black dial from the Floating Stage interview in Austria [personal* watch only?] goes to a blue face later in the movie in the Atacama desert?" Did I miss out on something? Every picture I've seen shows a PO. Knowing way too much about watches, and owning a PO, the double-sided anti-reflective coating applied to the crystal gives off a bluish hue in certain light. Is this what you are referring to? Or are you referring to the actual blue faced "James Bond watch, ref # 2220.80.00?

Well, in the linked interview at the Floating Stage it looks like Daniel Craig (the actor) is wearing a black, black Seamaster.

In the pic shown of James Bond (the character) in the Atacama desert it looks like the watch is blue faced.

They look like two different coloured watches to me. Am I wrong?

[chuck3]

Well, due to the Planet Ocean's anti-reflective coating on the top layer of the crystal (it has on the underside as well), the face can appear blue in different lighting environments. In your pic, it is definetley a PO, not the blue faced seamaster. What makes this obvious to me is the bracelet, the thin bezel and face...basically the whole watch! I know because I am looking at mine right now. Very cool pic, though. It seems to have sparked some interesting conversations!

[HildebrandRarity]

What colour is the Omega in the following interview?

http://www.msnbc.msn...465584#24465584

[Dell Deaton]

What colour is the Omega in the following interview?

http://www.msnbc.msn...465584#24465584

Black dial, black bezel, on stainless steel bracelet.

... we all know that during the Pierce Brosnan era, many different Omega's (quartz, automatic, 36.2mm, 41mm etc) were used throughout production to capture to 'essence' of the scene....

Huh--?

Just to be clear, Omega SA states the case specifications for its former 2531.80 and 2541.80 Seamaster models at 39.3mm, and its 2551.80 and 2561.80 Seamaster models at 34.8mm. Assuming that these are the model overlaps to which you refer in your Post above, Chuck, where did you get the idea that the 2551.80 and/or 2561.80 appeared in any James Bond film?

[Jim]

Just to be clear, Omega SA states the case specifications for its former 2531.80 and 2541.80 Seamaster models at 39.3mm, and its 2551.80 and 2561.80 Seamaster models at 34.8mm. Assuming that these are the model overlaps to which you refer in your Post above, Chuck, where did you get the idea that the 2551.80 and/or 2561.80 appeared in any James Bond film?

My brain hurts.

How many of these extremely strange watch threads do we actually need? I'm currently thinking "one".

[chuck3]

because they look alike, and I was going through the 2007 Omega catalog and using sizes for arguments sake. Sorry the reference numbers are off, but I think i got my point across nonetheless. They're have been different sizes used in the Brosnan movies depending on how the director wanted it to look, as you have stated in your website: "You may only see Bond wear one, but the special effects department needed five specially adapted watches to achieve the on-screen action." And Dell, never assume...

[HildebrandRarity]

My brain hurts.

How many of these extremely strange watch threads do we actually need? I'm currently thinking "one".

Poor little brain.

We definitely need "two".

One for Omega in Q0S and one for James Bond watches through-out its cinematic and literary history.

"Two" is company. "Three's a crowd" and 'One Is Never Enough'*.



*The title of my next poem, which is on the subject of Polygamy.

What colour is the Omega in the following interview?

http://www.msnbc.msn...465584#24465584

Black dial, black bezel, on stainless steel bracelet.

And what's the colour of the Omega in the pic I presented, the one with Bond in the Atacama desert?

[Dell Deaton]

So what do our resident experts Dell, ...

...

My brain hurts....

... And what's the colour of the Omega in the pic I presented, the one with Bond in the Atacama desert?

This one is also the black dial, black bezel Omega Planet Ocean. The blue you are seeing is a reflection of the anti-reflective coating (yes, I did just write that! ), which is blue on all Planet Ocean Models, regardless of dial or bezel.

... I think i got my point across nonetheless. They're have been different sizes used in the Brosnan movies depending on how the director wanted it to look, as you have stated in your website: "You may only see Bond wear one, but the special effects department needed five specially adapted watches to achieve the on-screen action." And Dell, never assume...

How do you get from that to your "we all know" statement about Pierce Brosnan wearing a 34.8mm (mid-sized) Omega Seamaster as James Bond?

As you'll see from a complete reading of my website which you quote, I cited my source and assumed nothing. You can look it up for yourself, on page 201 of The Essential Bond, which includes a photograph of an open case where all five "specially adapted watches" are clearly visible. No reference to a mid-sized there. I'm certainly not your source on any 34.8mm claim.

[HildebrandRarity]

So what do our resident experts Dell, ...

...

My brain hurts....

... And what's the colour of the Omega in the pic I presented, the one with Bond in the Atacama desert?

This one is also the black dial, black bezel Omega Planet Ocean. The blue you are seeing is a reflection of the anti-reflective coating (yes, I did just write that! ), which is blue on all Planet Ocean Models, regardless of dial or bezel.

Really? I could have given odds that the Omega up there has a blue, not black, dial. So you're 100 percent certain that blue colour is a result of the anti-reflective coating on the crystal? [I believe what you're saying eventhough it seems unbelievable..."looks can be deceiving", I suppose.]

[chuck3]

Dell, buddy, you're taking this way too seriously. It's a James Bond forum on the internet, not a courtroom-litigation. Sure we speculate, infer, and share comments, and we're bound to make some errors, but come on, it's nothing worth getting worked up over. I apologize if I offended you by forgetting to enter in my footnotes! We're all friends here let's keep this fun! If not for ourselves, at least for the sake of Queen and Country!

Edited by chuck3, 12 May 2008 - 06:50 PM.

[chuck3]

So what do our resident experts Dell, ...

...

My brain hurts....

... And what's the colour of the Omega in the pic I presented, the one with Bond in the Atacama desert?

This one is also the black dial, black bezel Omega Planet Ocean. The blue you are seeing is a reflection of the anti-reflective coating (yes, I did just write that! ), which is blue on all Planet Ocean Models, regardless of dial or bezel.

Really? I could have given odds that the Omega up there has a blue, not black, dial. So you're 100 percent certain that blue colour is a result of the anti-reflective coating on the crystal? [I believe what you're saying eventhough it seems unbelievable..."looks can be deceiving", I suppose.]

I totally agree with Dell on this. He is 100% correct. The same thing happens with my PO. -chuck3

[Dell Deaton]

So what do our resident experts Dell, ...

My brain hurts....

... And what's the colour of the Omega in the pic...?

This one is also the black dial, black bezel Omega Planet Ocean. The blue you are seeing is a reflection of the anti-reflective coating (yes, I did just write that! ), which is blue on all Planet Ocean Models, regardless of dial or bezel.

Really? I could have given odds that the Omega up there has a blue, not black, dial. So you're 100 percent certain that blue colour is a result of the anti-reflective coating on the crystal? [I believe what you're saying eventhough it seems unbelievable..."looks can be deceiving", I suppose.]

By all means ask, my friend; I never thought for a minute you were questioning me personally on this. And I'm the first to be critical of folks who make claims based on second-hand information or w/out really being able to stand up w/ their own, independent research. Here's the basis for my opinion here.

• The dial proportions suggest Planet Ocean to me.
• The bezel on the watch in the image you posted is split: Silver inner ring, dark-colored outer ring. The dark-ringed Seamaster models are more solid, outer edge to crystal (including what we've seen of the new "James Bond Collector's Piece").
• So far as I'm aware, Omega SA has not produced nor announced release of a blue dial and/or blue bezel Planet Ocean (you can review current Planet Ocean models under the "Seamaster" line on their corporate website).

In what I'm seeing on my computer monitor, it not only looks like there's a blue reflection off the crystal, but also off certain links in the bracelet. Outdoor shot, beautiful bright blue sky, and not exactly a close-up here: That's why I'm coming down on my call as I have.

Again-- this seems really important to you. What do you have in mind?

[sidspappy]

I could read threads like this all day. It definitely speaks to the Bond fanatic and watch enthusiast in me equally.

And for everyone who looks upon these threads with stunned incredulity, remember, the term "fan" is derived from "fanatic."

Keep up the entertaining threads, guys! We need more Bond watch threads, not less!

Edited by sidspappy, 12 May 2008 - 07:34 PM.

[chuck3]

So what do our resident experts Dell, ...

My brain hurts....

... And what's the colour of the Omega in the pic...?

This one is also the black dial, black bezel Omega Planet Ocean. The blue you are seeing is a reflection of the anti-reflective coating (yes, I did just write that! ), which is blue on all Planet Ocean Models, regardless of dial or bezel.

Really? I could have given odds that the Omega up there has a blue, not black, dial. So you're 100 percent certain that blue colour is a result of the anti-reflective coating on the crystal? [I believe what you're saying eventhough it seems unbelievable..."looks can be deceiving", I suppose.]

By all means ask, my friend; I never thought for a minute you were questioning me personally on this. And I'm the first to be critical of folks who make claims based on second-hand information or w/out really being able to stand up w/ their own, independent research. Here's the basis for my opinion here.

• The dial proportions suggest Planet Ocean to me.
• The bezel on the watch in the image you posted is split: Silver inner ring, dark-colored outer ring. The dark-ringed Seamaster models are more solid, outer edge to crystal (including what we've seen of the new "James Bond Collector's Piece").
• So far as I'm aware, Omega SA has not produced nor announced release of a blue dial and/or blue bezel Planet Ocean (you can review current Planet Ocean models under the "Seamaster" line on their corporate website).

In what I'm seeing on my computer monitor, it not only looks like there's a blue reflection off the crystal, but also off certain links in the bracelet. Outdoor shot, beautiful bright blue sky, and not exactly a close-up here: That's why I'm coming down on my call as I have.

Again-- this seems really important to you. What do you have in mind?

You're obviously referring to me when you say: "And I'm the first to be critical of folks who make claims based on second-hand information or w/out really being able to stand up w/ their own, independent research." Sweet Comeback! But I'd rather nail my wife while wearing my Planet Ocean than spend that time researching the damn thing! HA! Put that in your blog and smoke it!

[chuck3]

I could read threads like this all day. It definitely speaks to the Bond fanatic and watch enthusiast in me equally.

And for everyone who looks upon these threads with stunned incredulity, remember, the term "fan" is derived from "fanatic."

Keep up the entertaining threads, guys! We need more Bond watch threads, not less!

I haven't had this much fun in a pissing contest since college!!!

[Dell Deaton]

So what do our resident experts Dell, ...

My brain hurts....

... And what's the colour of the Omega in the pic...?

This one is also the black dial, black bezel Omega Planet Ocean....

Really? I could have given odds....

... I'm the first to be critical of folks who make claims based on second-hand information or w/out really being able to stand up w/ their own, independent research....

You're obviously referring to me when you say: "And I'm the first to be critical of folks who make claims based on second-hand information or w/out really being able to stand up w/ their own, independent research." Sweet Comeback! But I'd rather nail my wife while wearing my Planet Ocean than spend that time researching the damn thing! HA! Put that in your blog and smoke it!

Not at all.

What I actually had in mind at that point was the almost overwhelming amount of cut-and-paste information on the Internet claiming some definitive knowledge for the early Connery Rolex Submariner model(s). That, juxtaposed w/ a great interview I just concluded w/ someone in the United Kingdom which actually is first-hand sourcing on a key James Bond watch.

Thus, my comment was exactly as it read: Praise to H.B. for keeping the bar in CBn discussions.

[HildebrandRarity]

Again-- this seems really important to you. What do you have in mind?

Not much. Possibly researching my next purchase in case my Rolex Submariner 14060M continues to lose time (after I send it in for re-regulation in the next few weeks) and I have to (sadly) get rid of it for lack of 'reasonable' 'precision'. It's now 29 seconds behind after just 3 days and 4 hours in relation to the World Clock!



Other than that, just curiosity.

[Dell Deaton]

Again-- this seems really important to you. What do you have in mind?

Not much. Possibly researching my next purchase in case my Rolex Submariner 14060M continues to lose time (after I send it in for re-regulation in the next few weeks) and I have to (sadly) get rid of it....

In my opinion, you're comparing apples to oranges.

If Rolex re-regulates your COSC Sub, I think you'll be all set w/ that.

Otherwise, PM me.

[HildebrandRarity]

Will do.

[I wonder how many more pages we'll get in this thread before Jim makes another appearence. Daddy Bond seems to have gotten yet another watch thread up and re-running again. ]

[chuck3]

This has gone way too far. Enough ball-breaking. Let's get back to why we all came here in the first place; for the love of watches and 007 movies. I think we can all agree that HR's picture of Bond in the desert, the earlier pics from the set in Chile, and Sir James' pics that started this thread to begin with, solidify that the PO is the watch for QoS. As Dell pointed out there are many different variations of the PO, without even considering the chronograph version. From the photos we've seen on this forum, it is almost certainly the black/black PO on steel bracelet. We can therefore rule out an orange bezel PO. Until we see the watch up-close, the question that remains is whether or not the "12, 9 & 6" are orange, and of course, the size.

My apologies for lowering the bar in these discussions.

And a question for HR, which thread are you referring to when you say "Daddy Bond seems to have gotten yet another watch thread up and re-running again?"

[HildebrandRarity]

And a question for HR, which thread are you referring to when you say "Daddy Bond seems to have gotten yet another watch thread up and re-running again?"

This one:

http://debrief.comma...showtopic=45365

[chuck3]

Any New News Out there?

[chuck3]

FYI...the black/black SMP is finally on the Omega Website...

[Vodka Martino]

I got 4 of the limited edition Black Bond Seamasters in my store last week. Very, very glossy dial. I'll take some pics via stealth methods and report back to you all sometime in the next week.
Over and out.

Vodka Martino

[chuck3]

I got 4 of the limited edition Black Bond Seamasters in my store last week. Very, very glossy dial. I'll take some pics via stealth methods and report back to you all sometime in the next week.
Over and out.

Vodka Martino

Any news as to whether it will be available without the 007 logo on the second hand? Also, does it have the wave pattern on the dial? On the Omega website it appears not to have it.

[Sriram619]

Looks like the PO will be in the bulk of the film even in the new quad poster hes sporting a PO and in reg life he always wheres the PO crazy huh ?

[Dell Deaton]

Looks like the PO will be in the bulk of the film even in the new quad poster hes sporting a PO and in reg life he always wheres the PO crazy huh ?

Yup--.