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[Vodka Martino]

Pretty much everyone at the card table in "Casino Royale" was wearing an Omega. Le Chiffre was wearing a Longines Evidenza, but I guess it still falls under The Swatch group's umbrella.

VM

[chuck3]

Has anybody seen any recent spy shots with an up-close view of the watch?

[Dell Deaton]

Nice to see this Thread pop back up again; thanks, Chuck.

This past weekend, I ran a quick Poll of Omega collectors in another Forum and asked, based on spy photos seen to date, which version of the Planet Ocean they thought was appearing in Quantum of Solace.

• 36% thought it was the 42mm
• Half thought it was the 45.5mm
• The balance had no opinion

Of those voting for the 45.5mm, many admitted that they were influenced by what was known about the Casino Royale Planet Ocean. Additionally, a market segmentation argument could be made, such that by providing a full-sized Seamaster and a BIG SIZE Planet Ocean, Omega SA maximizes its sales potential across a wider range of audiences.

It's also hard to see, plot-wise, how the film could get away w/ having Daniel Craig wear two different sizes of the Planet Ocean, and bringing that point up in Quantum of Solace.

[chuck3]

Nice to see this Thread pop back up again; thanks, Chuck.

This past weekend, I ran a quick Poll of Omega collectors in another Forum and asked, based on spy photos seen to date, which version of the Planet Ocean they thought was appearing in Quantum of Solace.

• 36% thought it was the 42mm
• Half thought it was the 45.5mm
• The balance had no opinion

Of those voting for the 45.5mm, many admitted that they were influenced by what was known about the Casino Royale Planet Ocean. Additionally, a market segmentation argument could be made, such that by providing a full-sized Seamaster and a BIG SIZE Planet Ocean, Omega SA maximizes its sales potential across a wider range of audiences.

It's also hard to see, plot-wise, how the film could get away w/ having Daniel Craig wear two different sizes of the Planet Ocean, and bringing that point up in Quantum of Solace.

Which Omega forum are you referring to? I have the PO 42mm & would like to possibly join. thanks, chuck

[Dell Deaton]

... a quick Poll of Omega collectors in another Forum....

Which Omega forum are you referring to? I have the PO 42mm & would like to possibly join. thanks, chuck

Just sent you a PM.

[HildebrandRarity]

Hey, Dell, look at this:


http://www.msnbc.msn...465584#24465584


What is he wearing (see 2:20 to 2:23 when Daniel raises his arm) on the above interview with NBC's Today?

[chuck3]

Hey, Dell, look at this:


http://www.msnbc.msn...465584#24465584


What is he wearing (see 2:20 to 2:23 when Daniel raises his arm) on the above interview with NBC's Today?

It looks like a PO...but the indices seem to appear larger than a PO's, which makes it look like a black SMP

Hey, Dell, look at this:


http://www.msnbc.msn...465584#24465584


What is he wearing (see 2:20 to 2:23 when Daniel raises his arm) on the above interview with NBC's Today?

It looks like a PO...but the indices seem to appear larger than a PO's, which makes it look like a black SMP

Looking at it again, if you pause it at 2:21, its definetly a PO bracelet.

[HildebrandRarity]

It looks like a PO...but the indices seem to appear larger than a PO's, which makes it look like a black SMP

...

Looking at it again, if you pause it at 2:21, its definetly a PO bracelet.

Hey thanks, chuck3.

[Dell Deaton]

Bracelet and bezel proportions look like those of a Planet Ocean. But to what end do you ask? It doesn't necessarily suggest anything about the watch he'll wear as James Bond. (It wouldn't even have to be an Omega model, except that the He crown in evidence at 2:21 is proprietary to that watch maker.)

[Vodka Martino]

Looks definitely like a PO, possibly a 42mm, but, never having seen DC live in person, I have no idea how big his wrists are, so there's no real way to determine whether he's wearing the 42mm or the 45mm model. However, based on my looking at these watches every day for the last three years, it looks like a 42mm PO.
Of course, this could be the watch he wears when the whistle blows and he's not on set filming.
Time will tell.

Vodka Martino

[HildebrandRarity]

He's wearing a white french cuffed shirt under the sweater/cardigan/jumper/pullover/whatever and he's in a tux at the opera...so, unless he always wears a white french cuffed while not on set, i'd say he'll be wearing that watch in the movie...as opposed to his personal watch*.



*...if Omega are sponsoring the production/James Bond/Daniel Craig, would Daniel not be obliged to wear the watch all the time until the contract expires?

[Dell Deaton]

... i'd say he'll be wearing that watch in the movie...as opposed to his personal watch* ... if Omega are sponsoring the production/James Bond/Daniel Craig, would Daniel not be obliged to wear the watch all the time until the contract expires?

There are a lot of reasons you wouldn't want to go there w/ speculation.

First, if you look back at magazines between Casino Royale and when filming began on Quantum of Solace, you'll see actor Daniel Craig wearing a number of different Omega watch versions. In some cases, comparing the same wrist angle in photographs, it has looked to me like he's worn both the 42mm and 45.5mm watches under these circumstances. Perhaps to get a feel for each? Or maybe he just like to switch things around.

Second, unlike Pierce Brosnan, Daniel Craig is not an Omega Ambassador. The official Ambassador is "James Bond," which gives Omega SA certain rights to use Mr. Craig's likeness in that context. That said, Mr. Craig has also certainly made appearances on behalf of Omega, eg, to open their flagship boutique in Russia. Liken this to Bond girl Caterina Murino, who is similarly not "officially" an Omega Ambassador. But she supported the opening of their boutiques in Indonesia and also in Japan.

Finally, wristwatches can be a strange bird in movie productions. Often times, the movements are modified so that the watches no longer function. This is to maintain a certain time on the dial across a variety of takes, to help w/ continuity. (Clear examples of this are evidenced in Live and Let Die close-ups.) Property and Continuity personnel would in these instances want to retrieve the watch between scenes.

It's also a lot easier to change a watch than a shirt.

[chuck3]

There is of course no indication that what Daniel Craig wears during Television interviews is what he will be wearing in the movies. He could probably wear any wrist-watch he wants. That being said, after Casino Royale grossed the highest dollar amount of any film in the 007 franchise, he could most certainly afford to wear any watch he wanted (I'm jealous)! And I'm sure that with his strong connection with Omega, he probably owns the entire line of "Gent's" models at little to no cost to him personally.

To speculate further, in an almost metaphysical sense, was the interviewer speaking to Daniel Craig, James Bond or, James Bond acting like Daniel Craig? If the latter was the case, than the Omega would most definetly be donned.

Or, perhaps, he just likes the Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean! Can't blame him, I like my 42mm PO too! I guess Daniel and I have the same taste in watches!

[sidspappy]

Craig apparently loves his Omegas. In every public photo I've seen him in since his announcement as Bond, he's been wearing an Omega in one form or another.

Even if he's not an official ambassador, I'm certain he gets all the new models, gratis. The fact that he's one of the hottest popular actors in the world, and wears the pieces daily, Omega would be stupid not to give them away to him.

The practice of companies giving away high-ticket items to celebrities who could afford them like pulling lint-covered change from their pockets always sickened me, yet I know it is the realities of the business.

Product placement is all you have to know. And with DC, Omega's got it covered on both ends, with both the actor and the role.

[HildebrandRarity]

So what do our resident experts Dell, chuck3 and Vodka Martino think now?



The black dial from the Floating Stage interview in Austria [personal* watch only?] goes to a blue face later in the movie in the Atacama desert.

* May be, may be not. Remember, he goes to the opera in black tie...so I personally wouldn't go blue dial on black tux. This COULD mean that the 00 section have given James Bond access to two Omegas during the events of Quantum Of Solace.

[Dell Deaton]

So what do our resident experts Dell, chuck3 and Vodka Martino think now? ... The black dial from the Floating Stage interview in Austria [personal* watch only?] goes to a blue face later in the movie in the Atacama desert....

What does the interview have to do w/ this image? There has never been a question regarding production images in terms of Daniel Craig wearing the Omega Planet Ocean (at least not insofar as I'm concerned). But, again, a personal interview would neither confirm nor refute that fact, and I'd view it as nothing more than a point of interest at best in terms of authenticating anything.

So, yeah: "Planet Ocean" -- which, I'll say again, doesn't answer the question (as I blogged over a month ago).

What is of interest to me is the fact that we haven't seen anything but a Planet Ocean (or perhaps multiple models). Where is the black, black Seamaster that was so strongly rumored as the film when into production (and by some, suggesting that it would be the primary 007 wristwatch here)?

[HildebrandRarity]

So what do our resident experts Dell, chuck3 and Vodka Martino think now? ... The black dial from the Floating Stage interview in Austria [personal* watch only?] goes to a blue face later in the movie in the Atacama desert....

What does the interview have to do w/ this image? There has never been a question regarding production images in terms of Daniel Craig wearing the Omega Planet Ocean...

Where is the black, black Seamaster that was so strongly rumored as the film when into production (and by some, suggesting that it would be the primary 007 wristwatch here)?

Why wouldn't James Bond want to wear a black, black time piece with his tux to the Opera? We haven't seen any decent shots of Bond at the Floating Stage.

[Dell Deaton]

So what do our resident experts Dell, chuck3 and Vodka Martino think now? ...

... Where is the black, black Seamaster that was so strongly rumored as the film when into production (and by some, suggesting that it would be the primary 007 wristwatch here)?

Why wouldn't James Bond want to wear a black, black time piece with his tux to the Opera? We haven't seen any decent shots of Bond at the Floating Stage.

Okay, I'll give-- Why wouldn't he?

[HildebrandRarity]

... Where is the black, black Seamaster that was so strongly rumored as the film when into production (and by some, suggesting that it would be the primary 007 wristwatch here)?

Why wouldn't James Bond want to wear a black, black time piece with his tux to the Opera? We haven't seen any decent shots of Bond at the Floating Stage.

Okay, I'll give-- Why wouldn't he?

Is that 1) A rhetorical question? 2) A legitimate question? 3) The question of someone who is annoyed at HildebrandRarity? OR 4) The question of a collector who is annoyed at Eon and Omega?

[Sriram619]

Whats the watch hes wearing in the interview on the today show ? is it a black PO on steel ? or a seamaster hard to tell what you guys think

[Dell Deaton]

... Where is the black, black Seamaster...?

Why wouldn't James Bond want to wear a black, black time piece with his tux...?

Okay, I'll give-- Why wouldn't he?

Is that 1) A rhetorical question? 2) A legitimate question? 3) The question of someone who is annoyed at HildebrandRarity? OR 4) The question of a collector who is annoyed at Eon and Omega?

Number 2: I don't understand what connection you are trying to draw between the TV interview and filming. The Seamaster angle makes it even less clear to me.

Whats the watch hes wearing in the interview on the today show ? is it a black PO on steel ? or a seamaster hard to tell what you guys think

There doesn't seem to be any question that it's a black Planet Ocean, stainless steel. The thing that's still in doubt (and I guess speaking only for myself, I mean in terms of the film overall) is the size. Maybe the dial configuration as well, although I don't recall anyone suggesting it might be a chronograph.

[HildebrandRarity]

... Where is the black, black Seamaster...?

Why wouldn't James Bond want to wear a black, black time piece with his tux...?

Okay, I'll give-- Why wouldn't he?

Is that 1) A rhetorical question? 2) A legitimate question? 3) The question of someone who is annoyed at HildebrandRarity? OR 4) The question of a collector who is annoyed at Eon and Omega?

Number 2: I don't understand what connection you are trying to draw between the TV interview and filming. The Seamaster angle makes it even less clear to me.

I'm suggesting MI6 will provide James Bond with two watches during the events of Quantum Of Solace. The blue dial (his prefered choice for 'field activity') and the black, black for his cover when he goes to the black tie event (The reception at the Opera at the Floating Stage in Bregenz) in his tux.

[Dell Deaton]

... Where is the black, black Seamaster...?

Why wouldn't James Bond want to wear a black, black time piece with his tux...?

Okay, I'll give-- Why wouldn't he?

Is that ... 2) A legitimate question...?

Number 2....

I'm suggesting MI6 will provide James Bond with two watches during the events of Quantum Of Solace. The blue dial (his prefered choice for 'field activity') and the black, black for his cover when he goes to the black tie event (The reception at the Opera at the Floating Stage in Bregenz) in his tux.

So that would make at least three wristwatches for Quantum of Solace (including the whatever-size Planet Ocean(s), which is all we ever see in the production stills).

Um, wow!

[Vodka Martino]

Whoa! Methinks this thread is getting out of hand. Based on the photo posted by Hildebrand, I still say he's wearing the 42mm Planet O. Again, I don't know how big DC's wrists are, so I can't be 100% positive, but that's what my gut tells me...although, the more I look at this photo, the bigger the watch becomes. Hell, it could be the 45mm model.
You're messing with my mind, Hildebrand.


Vodka Martino

[chuck3]

So what do our resident experts Dell, chuck3 and Vodka Martino think now?



The black dial from the Floating Stage interview in Austria [personal* watch only?] goes to a blue face later in the movie in the Atacama desert.

* May be, may be not. Remember, he goes to the opera in black tie...so I personally wouldn't go blue dial on black tux. This COULD mean that the 00 section have given James Bond access to two Omegas during the events of Quantum Of Solace.

What do I think now? By the looks of the picture, it appears that Bond is trying to do long division in his head. One can speculate this by the expression on his face...

[Dell Deaton]

Oops. Dad says we gotta get back to serious business here.

So for starters, let's take a look at the images I posted from Casino Royale on my March 8, 2006, Blog. We know now for certain that that watch was a 45.5mm "BIG SIZE." Now, before getting into analysis, let me tell you that this watch on a strap appears smaller and rides better on a smaller wrist than it does on a bracelet. The rubber hits the case directly, and there's a stiffness to its bend around the wrist, whereas the bracelet can follow a tighter radius off the spring bars.

That said, who's got the graphics program available and fired up to do some overlays and make measurements?

[chuck3]

What do I think now? By the looks of the picture, it appears that Bond is trying to do long division in his head. One can speculate this by the expression on his face...

[HildebrandRarity]

You're messing with my mind, Hildebrand.

Hey, what do I know...I'm just a sucker who paid around five grand for a Rolex Submariner 14060M from an authorized dealer on April 3rd [just over a month ago] and the ing thing's losing time! I swear it's loosing a minute every 2 weeks and I just recalibrated it with a world clock on the internet to prove my reservations. So, i'm pissed and am glad i've got the papers, etc 'cause i'm going to be calling Rolex head office any week now!

My TAG-Heuer is ticking along just fine, though, inspite of not having had a service in almost 3 years!!!

[Dell Deaton]

Before going on, I want to let HildebrandRarety that I responded to your Rolex Sub concerns in another Thread where I felt it better fit.

Now back to the Planet Ocean and Daniel Craig--.

Further a bit of homework for VM, if he's open to it (and aren't you something like one day ahead of where I am in the United States? if it's Saturday night here, it must be something like lunch on Thursday where you are?).

The images approximately 26 minutes and 6 seconds into Casino Royale clearly show the underside of the strap on the Planet Ocean BIG SIZE that Daniel Craig is wearing while driving a car as James Bond. You can clearly count 4 open holes, and only 4, in the buckled watch, which appears to be fastened above this wrist bone. From this information you should be able to approximate his wrist size, as well as comparing that to what you'd see on both a 42 and a 45.5mm watch w/ bracelet configured to the same size.

What does this, then, suggest about wristwatch in the latest production images we're presently discussing?

[Vodka Martino]

You're messing with my mind, Hildebrand.

Hey, what do I know...I'm just a sucker who paid around five grand for a Rolex Submariner 14060M from an authorized dealer on April 3rd [just over a month ago] and the ing thing's losing time! I swear it's loosing a minute every 2 weeks and I just recalibrated it with a world clock on the internet to prove my reservations. So, i'm pissed and am glad i've got the papers, etc 'cause i'm going to be calling Rolex head office any week now!

My TAG-Heuer is ticking along just fine, though, inspite of not having had a service in almost 3 years!!!

I ask every Rolex-wearing customer who walks into my store;"Hey, how's your Rolex running?"
Half of them say it's the best watch they've ever had and the other half say it's never kept good time from day one. Hildebrand, get this watch of your over to Rolex and let them regulate it to its proper specs. They might argue that, being a 14060 model, it's not COSC rated and may therefore lose or gain more than a Chronometer rated model. Hang on. I just re-read your post. A minute every two weeks? That equates to approx, what, five or six seconds a day? I hate to say it HR, but that's within spec for a 14060. Still, Rolex should be willing to adjust it for you, even if they get the watch running fast rather than slow, because this would be preferable. Another option is to try placing the watch down in different positions every night to determine which position causes the least amount of fluctuation in time-keeping.
It's still a helluva watch, Hildebrand R.

Before going on, I want to let HildebrandRarety that I responded to your Rolex Sub concerns in another Thread where I felt it better fit.

Now back to the Planet Ocean and Daniel Craig--.

Further a bit of homework for VM, if he's open to it (and aren't you something like one day ahead of where I am in the United States? if it's Saturday night here, it must be something like lunch on Thursday where you are?).

The images approximately 26 minutes and 6 seconds into Casino Royale clearly show the underside of the strap on the Planet Ocean BIG SIZE that Daniel Craig is wearing while driving a car as James Bond. You can clearly count 4 open holes, and only 4, in the buckled watch, which appears to be fastened above this wrist bone. From this information you should be able to approximate his wrist size, as well as comparing that to what you'd see on both a 42 and a 45.5mm watch w/ bracelet configured to the same size.

What does this, then, suggest about wristwatch in the latest production images we're presently discussing?

Dell, I like you, but don't I have enough to do? Besides, if I did go to work tomorrow and start measuring the holes in the Planet Ocean rubber straps, then I'd be spending more time thinking about what watch DC will wear on "QoS" than is considered healthy.
The easiest option is for us all to gather as many photos as we can of Daniel Craig wearing the Planet Ocean during filming, collate them all together, cross-reference them against one another and then wait until November this year when the film hits the theatres.

Vodka M