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[Sriram619]

sorry for linking fake links on fake omegas but how many of you want the PO to be the new 007 watch ?

[chuck3]

sorry for linking fake links on fake omegas but how many of you want the PO to be the new 007 watch ?

I do! Because I own one (42mm on stainless strap).

[Dell Deaton]

sorry for linking fake links on fake omegas ...

Thanks for policing yourself on this. I hate having to act as ad hoc Moderator on this subject, but keeping our distance from such disreputable vendors not only keeps the integrity of what we're doing here high (and, unfortunately, unique, when compared to some less responsible Forums!), but also helps create a place where folks can come for advice and be assured they're less likely to be sent off in the wrong direction.

... how many of you want the PO to be the new 007 watch ?

Since my collection is so narrowly focused on James Bond wristwatches, my first answer to your question is to confess that I'll eventually end up w/ whatever the Quantum of Solace watch or watches turn out to be! For me, then, the better question would be, "which would be most likely to garner the most wrist time?" to which I'd answer (tho' not guarantee) "the 42mm Planet Ocean on the stainless steel bracelet."

Also think it would be cool to see something more "outside the box," like an orange bezel (which I advocated for Casino Royale). But there's little worry of that happening.

Edited by Dell Deaton, 18 March 2008 - 10:10 PM.

[HildebrandRarity]

Submariner v Seamaster:


http://www.rolexrefe...articles/2.html



I just finished reviewing GOLDFINGER and LIVE AND LET DIE dvds as these two clearly show the Submariner on Connery and Moore...and neither has the date magnifier "bubble" on the crystal.


QUESTION for the retailers and afficianados in this thread:


Is it possible to get the Submariner without the date magnifier on the crystal (i.e. get the Sea-Dweller crystal to replace the Submariner's)?

[Vodka Martino]

Not really, unless you find a watchmaker who'll do it for you. He or she can either get a sapphire crystal custom made to fit (since there's no way in heck that Rolex will supply them) or, if they really know their stuff*, they take the watch apart, heat up the inner side of the crystal with a battered Ronson (a plastic Bic lighter will do also) to weaken the adhesive used to affix the cyclops lens to the outside of the crystal, then with a steady hand and a really sharp chisel (yes, you read it right),they give the chisel a short, sharp tap with a mallet and that should be enough to shear the cyclops lens off the crystal...theoretically. I read a post by somebody who successfully did this with an Invicta Submariner.
Of course, there's a $6,000 difference (among other things) between a Rolex and an Invicta.
The simpler and slightly more expensive option would be to buy a SeaDweller instead, although that model is thicker than the Submariner. The cheaper option would be to get the non-date Submariner, which is a nice watch. Gives off a real Connery circa 1964 vibe, too.

Vodka Martino

*The kind of watch-maker who should do this would have to be like the Muhammad Ali/ Tiger Woods/ Dalai Lama/ Frank Sinatra of watchmakers. Not a job for the faint-hearted.

Edited by Vodka Martino, 19 March 2008 - 10:59 AM.

[Dell Deaton]

... I just finished reviewing GOLDFINGER and LIVE AND LET DIE dvds as these two clearly show the Seamaster on Connery and Moore...and neither has the date magnifier "bubble" on the crystal.... Is it possible to get the Submariner without the date magnifier on the crystal (i.e. get the Sea-Dweller crystal to replace the Submariner's)?

You're looking for a Rolex Submariner, reference 14060M, which looks something like the following image (and comes on a metal bracelet).



The present version of this has a bit more bling, in that the word "Rolex" repeats w/in the inner cirumference under the crystal, and it's now an "Officially Certified" chronometer, meaning more lines of text above the 6 o'clock position. The Connery and Moore Subs did not have white-gold surrounds on the markers, which may bother you w/ the new; they also had a lesser depth resistance, and plastic, domed, as opposed to the present sapphire, flat crystals. The early Connery examples don't have crown guards, and the bezel markings are different. That said, it's just too hard to avoid getting stuck w/ a fake to risk anything but buying new if you're not prepared to spend a lot of time studying up.

Personally, I'd never recommend changing out crystals and/or removing the date window.

PS: So far as I know, the Sea Dweller was never a James Bond watch. It's a completely different animal altogether.

Edited by Dell Deaton, 19 March 2008 - 02:45 PM.

[Chad Cooper]

sorry for linking fake links on fake omegas ...

Thanks for policing yourself on this. I hate having to act as ad hoc Moderator on this subject,

Sure !

[HildebrandRarity]

Not really...

The simpler and slightly more expensive option would be to buy a SeaDweller instead, although that model is thicker than the Submariner. The cheaper option would be to get the non-date Submariner, which is a nice watch.

Thank you Vodka... What, if I may ask, is the price point differential of the above two? Is the Sea-Dweller north of US$6,000?

You're looking for a Rolex Submariner, reference 14060M, which looks something like the following image (and comes on a metal bracelet).



The present version of this has a bit more bling, in that the word "Rolex" repeats w/in the inner cirumference under the crystal, and it's now an "Officially Certified" chronometer, meaning more lines of text above the 6 o'clock position. The Connery and Moore Subs did not have white-gold surrounds on the markers, which may bother you w/ the new; they also had a lesser depth resistance, and plastic, domed, as opposed to the present sapphire, flat crystals. The early Connery examples don't have crown guards, and the bezel markings are different. That said, it's just too hard to avoid getting stuck w/ a fake to risk anything but buying new if you're not prepared to spend a lot of time studying up.

Personally, I'd never recommend changing out crystals and/or removing the date window.

That's awsome...The Moore version, however, was heavily 'modified' by Syd Cain...so i'm not worried about that.

May I ask what the watch would retail for? Am I looking at US$5,500~ish?

Also, did Dalton's have the date magnifier?

Please and thank you.

[chris-o]

Since Brosnan worn the blue Omega Seamaster in Goldeneye I liked it. But in CR Daniel Craig wears also a Planet Ocean which looks great, but I hope that the special edition with the black dial for QOS is only a collectors edition.

[plankattack]

... I just finished reviewing GOLDFINGER and LIVE AND LET DIE dvds as these two clearly show the Seamaster on Connery and Moore...and neither has the date magnifier "bubble" on the crystal.... Is it possible to get the Submariner without the date magnifier on the crystal (i.e. get the Sea-Dweller crystal to replace the Submariner's)?

You're looking for a Rolex Submariner, reference 14060M, which looks something like the following image (and comes on a metal bracelet).



The present version of this has a bit more bling, in that the word "Rolex" repeats w/in the inner cirumference under the crystal, and it's now an "Officially Certified" chronometer, meaning more lines of text above the 6 o'clock position. The Connery and Moore Subs did not have white-gold surrounds on the markers, which may bother you w/ the new; they also had a lesser depth resistance, and plastic, domed, as opposed to the present sapphire, flat crystals. The early Connery examples don't have crown guards, and the bezel markings are different. That said, it's just too hard to avoid getting stuck w/ a fake to risk anything but buying new if you're not prepared to spend a lot of time studying up.

Personally, I'd never recommend changing out crystals and/or removing the date window.

PS: So far as I know, the Sea Dweller was never a James Bond watch. It's a completely different animal altogether.

Dell and others - great thread. Own a Submariner myself for a decade (dateless - I don't like the bubble myself) - does anyone have any suggestions for where to find a good selection of NATO straps? Found one website but it's colours where limited.

[D. Bond]

does anyone have any suggestions for where to find a good selection of NATO straps? Found one website but it's colours where limited.

Same Here I've Been Searching For NATO Straps for Awhile Now!!

[Sriram619]

the black PO on steel looks cool i wouldnt mind it being the new 007 watch but the seamaster is very flashy and the steel breaclet on the seamaster is the best. Honestly i cant see them bringing in the black version of the seamaster i think its just gonna be the PO and blue seamaster in the begening

[chuck3]

Try this site: http://www.westcoast...ccessories.html
Another good strap site is found at www.strappedfortime.com, however, I don't know if they carry NATO straps.

Since Brosnan worn the blue Omega Seamaster in Goldeneye I liked it. But in CR Daniel Craig wears also a Planet Ocean which looks great, but I hope that the special edition with the black dial for QOS is only a collectors edition.

I concur

[Dell Deaton]

Given that this Thread is titled "Omega in QoS," and that it runs in the "Quantum of Solace (2008)" Forum, I'm wondering if we're not getting a bit too far afield w/ a lot of this (very interesting and helpful) discussion. Furthermore, after this film has come and gone, and we're on to other things, all of this will be buried and lost to future interests.

In order to help organize my own responses as much as anything else, I've responded to the last few questions directed to me above in the "Buy, Swap, Sell & Auction (Collecting)" Forum, under the "Watches, James Bond Watches" Thread there. This includes important links to information on current Rolex pricing, my NATO strap source, and details on the Dalton-Bond Rolex from Licence to Kill.

Please accept my apology for the role I've played in not keeping this Thread neater.

And I promise to be diligent in my replies to this and the Collecting Forum Threads. Looking forward to seeing you all there as well!

[Vodka Martino]

Thank you Vodka... What, if I may ask, is the price point differential of the above two? Is the Sea-Dweller north of US$6,000?

I'm not up on US prices, but down under in Australia where I live, the Submariner date model (16610) retails for $7,400AUD. The SeaDweller is around 3 to 4 hundred dollars more, I think. However, since I couldn't/wouldn't/shouldn't spend more than five grand on a watch, I don't tend to keep up with brand-new Rolex prices. When the day comes that I get myself a Sub, I'll be going second-hand.

Vodka Martino

[Chad Cooper]

Got a Tudor myself and I can't find a real difference between it and a Rolex except the price of course..
http://www.tudorwatch.com/

Everyone is aware about its history I suppose ?

[Dell Deaton]

Got a Tudor myself.... Everyone is aware about its history I suppose ?

See "Collecting" Forum Thread for my reply.

[HildebrandRarity]

QUOTE(Dell Deaton @ 19 March 2008 - 22:24)
QUOTE(HildebrandRarity @ 19 March 2008 - 10:14)
QUOTE(Dell Deaton @ 19 March 2008 - 12:43)

You're looking for a Rolex Submariner, reference 14060M.... Personally, I'd never recommend changing out crystals and/or removing the date window.

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That's awsome...The Moore version, however, was heavily 'modified' by Syd Cain...so i'm not worried about that....

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Not sure what point you're trying to make here. Could you help me out? (I suspect this could head to a much larger discussion.)

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Syd Cain, the art director (i.e. the (approximate) equivalent of Ken Adam) on Live And Let Die, had about four watches from Rolex modified. One modification was the hour markers turning from silver/white (I believe) to red when the bezel was rotated clockwise about 5 minutes - in order to 'magnitize' the watch on film...the other was to have the the edges of the bezel sharpened and motorized for fast rotation - in order to create the 'buzz saw' effect on screen.

[Dell Deaton]

... Honestly i cant see them bringing in the black version of the seamaster i think its just gonna be the PO and blue seamaster in the begening

Does anyone remember some of the Internet chatter before Casino Royale was released, where it was "predicted" that James Bond would start out wearing a Planet Ocean, then be given a blue on blue Seamaster w/ his Double-0 rank? I laughed out loud at the hubris (as if MI6 would actually use a wristwatch to convey status! Even as a fan of the study, I think that's crossing a line of serious fantasy, altho maybe agents are given gold watches upon retirment ).

Since then, I've actually seen at least one coffee table book that's recorded this intention as fact. Guess the author didn't take the time to actually watch Casino Royale and note that the PO survived well into Bond's first 007 efforts.

But who knows? Maybe in Quantum of Solace, James Bond becomes a watch collector and three or more watches would make sense. Or, as in On Her Majesty's Secret Service (novel and movie), he takes on some sort of cover, and that requires multiple pieces. Or, like in Tomorrow Never Dies, he is offered a selection: If he actually tries on a few before deciding, that would make them all, technically, "James Bond" watches (if not his "choice").

[HildebrandRarity]

PS: So far as I know, the Sea Dweller was never a James Bond watch. It's a completely different animal altogether.

Yes, of course. Being more expensive AND not being a 'James Bond watch' would definitely want one to shy away from purchasing the Sea-Dweller...unless you were a deep sea diver AND had money to burn. At the time of my posting, I was not aware you could get the non-date magnifier version of the Submariner...until your post.

Thanks for all the outstanding info, good Sir Dell!

[Sriram619]

When are we suppose to get confrimation on what products are going to be in QOS especially omega

[Dekard77]

Thanks for the updates guys it's nice to know we have some idea of what watch 00 will be wearing. The Planet Ocean (rubber strap) was a neat watch for James Bond, rather than the very familiar steel bracelet.
I was very confused during CR promotions as it showed 00 wearing few different watches and the publicity actually had a him wearing QOS mentioned watch(Premiere Magazine). Also when I tried to buy it in Singapore a great place to buy watches I found out that they didn't have the PO (rubber) instead a very tacky CR engraved which had awful sweep hand or Orange Bezel. So ended up not buying.
But most importantly I am getting a bit tired of the 00 Product Placements and Omegas are far too common these days. Thinking of buying U-boat instead or even a Rolex.

[Mr.B]

I love Omega. So much more stlish and more realistic for a 00 than a Rolex.

[Dell Deaton]

When are we suppose to get confrimation on what products are going to be in QOS especially omega

As I alluded to in my Post on Page 5 of this Thread, BaselWorld: The Watch and Jewellery Show will likely produce some spy photos, if not formal confirmation of one or more of the James Bond wristwatches for Quantum of Solace. That trade fair opens on April 3, and runs through the 10th.

That said, trade shows can be a tricky deal. Signage can get switches, if not created in Photo Shop, and word-of-mouth is never as accountable as publication. I watched things very closely in the lead-up to Casino Royale, and I seem to recall that it wasn't until May that Omega SA formally announced the blue, blue Seamaster (basically an update of the Pierce Brosnan model), and still was not confirming a Planet Ocean of any kind at that point.

Thanks for the updates guys it's nice to know we have some idea of what watch 00 will be wearing ... most importantly I am getting a bit tired of the 00 Product Placements and Omegas are far too common these days. Thinking of buying U-boat instead or even a Rolex.

Then you'd probably be more interested in the Thread we've got going in the CBn "Buy, Swap, Sell & Auction (Collecting)" Forum titled, "Watches, James Bond Watches."

See ya over there!

[Sriram619]

From the new pics in Chile you can kind of tell he is wearing a planet ocean on steel hopefully omega announces soon what watches will be in the movie

[Dell Deaton]

From the new pics in Chile you can kind of tell he is wearing a planet ocean on steel....

Further to your observation, you might find an entry of interest that I made just this week on my blog titled, "So what if it is a Planet Ocean?" At least four variations immediately come into play ~ before you get into chronographs.

Meantime, welcome to CBn and some of the best James Bond watch threads on the Internet!

:tup:

[chuck3]

by the looks of the bracelet, it appears to be a PO
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[Dell Deaton]

by the looks of the bracelet, it appears to be a PO....

Agreed. There are several others in this batch as well, some giving even stronger indication that we're talking Omega Planet Ocean here.

As I said on my blog, however, "Planet Ocean" can mean a lot of things!

Nice to see this Thread bumped back up again.

[chuck3]

by the looks of the bracelet, it appears to be a PO....

Agreed. There are several others in this batch as well, some giving even stronger indication that we're talking Omega Planet Ocean here.

As I said on my blog, however, "Planet Ocean" can mean a lot of things!

Nice to see this Thread bumped back up again.

Just out of curiosity, do all characters in Bond films wear Omega's? We know that In CR the Dealer at Casino Royale Sports The Red Speedmaster...any other 'subtle' Omega references (other than Bond's, obviously). How about during the Brosnan era?

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[sidspappy]

by the looks of the bracelet, it appears to be a PO....

Agreed. There are several others in this batch as well, some giving even stronger indication that we're talking Omega Planet Ocean here.

As I said on my blog, however, "Planet Ocean" can mean a lot of things!

Nice to see this Thread bumped back up again.

Just out of curiosity, do all characters in Bond films wear Omega's? We know that In CR the Dealer at Casino Royale Sports The Red Speedmaster...any other 'subtle' Omega references (other than Bond's, obviously). How about during the Brosnan era?

Off the top of my head, the only ones I can remember is the Omega stopwatch in DAD, and 006's companion Seamaster in GE.