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#91 chuck3

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Posted 09 March 2008 - 06:54 AM

Wow! Busy Saturday for the "Omega in QoS" Thread, eh? Sorry to be so late for the party; today was "Webelos Day" at the University of Michigan, so I was out quite a bit with Number One Son on Cub Scout stuff.

A lot of great stuff has already been written here, so I'll try to limit my contribution here to what I feel will add value w/out gratuitous repetition. If I miss anything or someone perceives themselves left out, that's not my intent. Let me know and I'll try to correct it.

Post #78 by chuck3, re Daily setting your Planet Ocean and "break-in" periods

As VM points out, there is a debate about this, and even moreso w/ respect to watches w/ the co-axial movements. He's also spelled out the (minimal) stress you are imparting to your wristwatch by daily setting it.

That said, I've never been one to be dismissive of an owner's desire for his/her mechanical watch to be as precisely accurate as possible. Just because I may not want a quartz movement or a piece that automatically sets itself per some signal from an atomic clock doesn't mean I don't want something that performs top of class! But when you point out, Chuck, that your watch "gains about 2-4 seconds a day," you are getting at the very nature of a mechanical movement. They don't vary consistently; their rate of gain/loss varies day by day, and more frequently (if you choose to track it that closely), and depends on a number of factors. Temperature and case orientation are most commonly discussed. For example, your watch will keep different time if you sleep wearing it, as opposed to not. It will vary based on its orientation on your nightstand as you sleep if you do so without wearing it.

Here's the Chronometer Certificate for my Omega Seamaster reference 2907.50.91 Planet Ocean Big Size, which has the same escapement as your watch.

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Click on this LINK if you'd like to see an enlargement wherein you can read the results. COSC certification simply means that the mechanism, when tested (before being inserted into the case) held to an average daily variation in rate of between -4 and +6 seconds per day, across 5 positions and 3 temperatures. Beyond this, I've noticed that my Seamaster reference 2531.80 (the common Brosnan-Bond model, non-co-axial movement) will even vary by a fraction of a second depending on which half of the minute I track it in.

Bottom Line: Your 42mm Planet Ocean may be in disagreement w/ the atomic clock w/in 30 seconds of your setting it, due to the nature of the mechanism. Thereafter, it will both gain and lose time, settling into an average which will be your watch performance today, but will change over time (no pun intended). Monitoring and figuring out "why" is the great thing to be learning at this point in your ownership, I think.

Post #79 by Ace Roberts, re Digital phones replacing wristwatches

While there has been some hoopla of late regarding cell phones replacing commodity watches (ie, lower-price point time pieces that folks used to purchase because they needed something to tell the time), I believe high-end watch sales are actually up and rising. It is one of the few pieces of jewelry a man can supposedly wear to differentiate and indulge himself. I don't see any evidence that James Bond would make a purely "practical" decision to rely exclusively on his phone to tell the time. Specifically, I am not aware of any research indicating that Omega SA is losing share to cell phones, and, currently, Omega is the "James Bond Choice" for a wristwatch.

That said, "a little controversy" is nice here.

Sir James lays out a nice perspective beyond this. From a GQ perspective, a diver's watch is not only inappropriate w/ a suit, but any wristwatch at all is not appropriate w/ a tuxedo, strictly speaking. Yet 007 wears one with his, and others follow his lead! Further, I don't think divers even use divers' watches for the stated purpose, even as a back-up.

Additionally, Bond's watch made for a weapon in the On Her Majesty's Secret Service novel, and saved his wrist, if not his life, in the From Russia With Love novel. It's a lot less obtrusive to check the time on one's watch than by pulling out one's cell phone; and, in fact, before going w/ the thought that a cell phone display could or would replace the wristwatch, one should look at the history and ask why the simple addition of a leather strap to essentially attach a pocket watch to one's wrist in the first place transformed the industry. My personal opinion in this regard as it relates to field agents is that a luxury watch like a Rolex provides 007 with universal currency he could convert for a plane ticket home from any country via the nearest pawn shop, if need be.

Post #83 by Sir James, re Bond's tastes and watches

In my opinion, were this to be explored in future films it would be necessarily different from the novels. The Ian Fleming Bond, and in particular regarding the replacement of his Rolex in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, seemed to be sensitive to the cost of the loss as much as anything else. That seems a stretch from the James Bond of today. Probably at odds, too, w/ the Vesper analysis of James Bond and his watch in Casino Royale ~ and maybe even the Omega PR effort behind that line comparing his tastes to that of Rolex owners.

Post #84 by Ace Roberts, re The Dirk Pitt DOXA

Just wanted to say, "hi," from a fellow Clive Cussler fan from the olden days of Raise the Titanic.

Post #85 by Vodka Martino, re Miscellaneous

1. Agree w/ his paragraph responding to Chuck. :tup:

2. My Swiss Army Knife has a built-in pen, and I carry that on a ring w/ my car key; have to use it more often than I care to admit. Never occurred to me to buy a decent pen. Thanks for the tip! :(

3. That image of Sylvia Trench in Bond's flat, wearing little more than heals and his shirt, is one reason she'll always be a top-pick Bond Girl in my book. :)


Thanks for extensive and knowledgable insight...don't forget to set the clocks tonight "spring Ahead!" :tup:

#92 Dell Deaton

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 12:46 PM

Yes, I've seen this image.

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A number of folks now from both watch talk and James Bond Forums have forwarded me the LINK to TimeGeeks, which features this in a story run on February 29 in its "News" section.

But still no "official" word from EON or Omega SA on the watch or watches to be worn by 007 in Quantum of Solace.

Caveat emptor!

#93 chuck3

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 03:26 PM

Yes, I've seen this image.

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A number of folks now from both watch talk and James Bond Forums have forwarded me the LINK to TimeGeeks, which features this in a story run on February 29 in its "News" section.

But still no "official" word from EON or Omega SA on the watch or watches to be worn by 007 in Quantum of Solace.

Caveat emptor!


Good looking watch. I'd still prefer the PO in QOS. If this watch is in fact going to go into production, it would be interesting to see how sales for Omega would change. I think the black one portrayed in this pic looks more desirable than the blue faced. But to each his own.

#94 chuck3

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 08:52 PM

Yes, I've seen this image.

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A number of folks now from both watch talk and James Bond Forums have forwarded me the LINK to TimeGeeks, which features this in a story run on February 29 in its "News" section.

But still no "official" word from EON or Omega SA on the watch or watches to be worn by 007 in Quantum of Solace.

Caveat emptor!


Dell, how did you acquire your official COSC Certificate from Omega? Your link (http://www.rolexrefe.../omegacosc.html) is not working. :tup: Thanks, Chuck

#95 Dell Deaton

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 09:43 PM

... Dell, how did you acquire your official COSC Certificate from Omega? ...

If you go to the Omega SA corporate website, click on "Customer Service," then "FAQ," and scroll all the way down to the bottom of that page, you'll see a section something like third from the end titled, "How can I obtain the Official chronometer certificate (COSC) for my new Omega watch with chronometer certified movement," and that will walk you through what you'll need to have and the process.

If you hit a snag w/ that, send me a PM and I'll give you an eMail address.

#96 chuck3

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 10:39 PM

... Dell, how did you acquire your official COSC Certificate from Omega? ...

If you go to the Omega SA corporate website, click on "Customer Service," then "FAQ," and scroll all the way down to the bottom of that page, you'll see a section something like third from the end titled, "How can I obtain the Official chronometer certificate (COSC) for my new Omega watch with chronometer certified movement," and that will walk you through what you'll need to have and the process.

If you hit a snag w/ that, send me a PM and I'll give you an eMail address.


Thanks. I'll let you know how I make out.

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 09:10 AM

Yes, I've seen this image.

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A number of folks now from both watch talk and James Bond Forums have forwarded me the LINK to TimeGeeks, which features this in a story run on February 29 in its "News" section.

But still no "official" word from EON or Omega SA on the watch or watches to be worn by 007 in Quantum of Solace.

Caveat emptor!



Hmm, I can't help thinking that this watch is just a mock-up rather than an official Omega product. I had heard from Omega that they were bringing out a black Bond, but it was still going to have the same sword-shaped hands as the 2254.50.00 Seamaster which may be discontinued sometime soon. This picture looks like someone has taken the Bond Seamaster and lowered the color bar down to zero before photoshopping in a red 007 logo on the counterweight of the second hand. I haven't seen any pictures of the new black SMP, but something tells me this isn't it. I would think that omega would have used a little more imagination, like maybe a different edge on the bezel just so it differentiates this new watch a little more from the now-classic Bond Seamaster.
Just my 2c.

Vodka Martino

Edited by Vodka Martino, 11 March 2008 - 09:10 AM.


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Posted 11 March 2008 - 11:18 AM

Personaly I think that is one borderline ugly watch next to his blue predecessor, and expecially against the Planet Ocean. But hey, opinions change and, when the real thing shows up, maybe I

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 01:43 PM

Yes, I've seen this image.... But still no "official" word from EON or Omega SA on the watch or watches to be worn by 007 in Quantum of Solace.

Caveat emptor!

Hmm, I can't help thinking that this watch is just a mock-up rather than an official Omega product.... This picture looks like someone has taken the Bond Seamaster and lowered the color bar down to zero before photoshopping in a red 007 logo on the counterweight of the second hand. I haven't seen any pictures of the new black SMP, but something tells me this isn't it....

You're only the latest in a long line of folks who see something "wrong" with this image. :tup:

There's been enough talk of a black/black Seamaster for James Bond that one almost wonders if this isn't self-fulfiling prophesy. That's not to say that such a watch will not be forthcoming, but, rather, simply that someone may have cobbled together this image based on what was expected, rather than from what is.

One of your other comments, Vodka, about Omega having been expected to "use a little more imagination" also struck me. I realize you were talking about the watch itself. But if you look at the PR images they've sent out for virtually every other announcement they've made, the context and environment is invariably quite stylized. (There are exceptions w/ their event coverage photography, but this is a studio shot.) This one strikes me as quite plain. :tup:

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 07:23 PM

[quote name='Sir James Moloney' post='849400' date='11 March 2008 - 07:18']Personaly I think that is one borderline ugly watch next to his blue predecessor, and expecially against the Planet Ocean. But hey, opinions change and, when the real thing shows up, maybe I

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 08:01 PM

This pic comes from mi6.co.uk
www.mi6.co.uk/news/index.php?itemid=5982&catid=9

Its a little contradictory, with all the spy shots showing DC wearing a PO, but this link makes me wonder what exactly he will wear? Any ideas? :tup:

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 08:51 PM

I've been wearing this blue watch for years, I'm ready to go back to black!

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 08:55 PM

Yep, in that Panama photo he

Edited by Sir James Moloney, 11 March 2008 - 08:59 PM.


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Posted 11 March 2008 - 08:58 PM

[quote name='Sir James Moloney' post='836756' date='11 February 2008 - 17:43']I guess now we know for sure. The Omega Planet Ocean makes another appearance. :tup: :tup:
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Posted 11 March 2008 - 09:01 PM

[quote name='chuck3' post='849645' date='11 March 2008 - 20:58'][quote name='Sir James Moloney' post='836756' date='11 February 2008 - 17:43']I guess now we know for sure. The Omega Planet Ocean makes another appearance. :tup: :tup:
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Posted 11 March 2008 - 11:33 PM

If this new black Seamaster is the Limited Edition, I for one, will be more than a little disappointed. As I stated earlier, there doesn't seem to be any thought, imagination or even effort gone into this watch. All they have done is painted the dial black. I was looking forward to seeing different hands on this new watch.
I have just had a quick look through the Omega Master Catalogue and I counted over thirty different iterations in the Seamaster dive watch collection. I'm talking about blue Bond, black dials, men's size, mid size, auto, quartz, chronographs, GMTs, Planet Oceans, etc. Once you add the steel bracelet, rubber strap (black-with or without white stitching, blue or orange) mixture into the equation, it makes for a very large collection of dive watches in the Seamaster range. Up until a couple of years ago, you could get an Alligator/Croco leather strap for the Planet Ocean too. That was a nice look, btw.
The point I'm getting at is that Omega seem to have too many different variations in their Seamaster line and this new black Seamaster (if it does indeed exist) doesn't represent anything new or innovative in terms of design. Love it or hate it, the Brosnan-era blue Seamaster that DC wore in the Casino Royale scenes had a very unique design which, at the very least, helped to separate it from the Rolex Submariner. I feel the same about the classic '60s Seamaster 300 and the modern Planet Ocean.
But this new Seamaster, well...it doesn't represent anything new...except a new coat of black paint.
My take, don't kill me.

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 11:57 PM

If this new black Seamaster is the Limited Edition, I for one, will be more than a little disappointed. As I stated earlier, there doesn't seem to be any thought, imagination or even effort gone into this watch. All they have done is painted the dial black. I was looking forward to seeing different hands on this new watch.
I have just had a quick look through the Omega Master Catalogue and I counted over thirty different iterations in the Seamaster dive watch collection. I'm talking about blue Bond, black dials, men's size, mid size, auto, quartz, chronographs, GMTs, Planet Oceans, etc. Once you add the steel bracelet, rubber strap (black-with or without white stitching, blue or orange) mixture into the equation, it makes for a very large collection of dive watches in the Seamaster range. Up until a couple of years ago, you could get an Alligator/Croco leather strap for the Planet Ocean too. That was a nice look, btw.
The point I'm getting at is that Omega seem to have too many different variations in their Seamaster line and this new black Seamaster (if it does indeed exist) doesn't represent anything new or innovative in terms of design. Love it or hate it, the Brosnan-era blue Seamaster that DC wore in the Casino Royale scenes had a very unique design which, at the very least, helped to separate it from the Rolex Submariner. I feel the same about the classic '60s Seamaster 300 and the modern Planet Ocean.
But this new Seamaster, well...it doesn't represent anything new...except a new coat of black paint.
My take, don't kill me.

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 02:36 AM

[quote name='Sir James Moloney' post='849699' date='11 March 2008 - 19:57'][quote name='Vodka Martino' post='849691' date='11 March 2008 - 23:33']... The point I'm getting at is that Omega seem to have too many different variations in their Seamaster line and this new black Seamaster (if it does indeed exist) doesn't represent anything new or innovative in terms of design. Love it or hate it, the Brosnan-era blue Seamaster that DC wore in the Casino Royale scenes had a very unique design which, at the very least, helped to separate it from the Rolex Submariner....[/quote]I Won

#109 Qwerty

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 02:53 AM

Now on the CBn main page...



New limited edition coming in July 2008


#110 Vodka Martino

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 03:17 AM

Every dive watch owes a little of its design to the Rolex Submariner. Even though when it was premiered at the Basel Watch Fair in 1953, it was up against the Blancpain Fifty Fathoms which some say deserves the same credit as the Rolex Sub for being the first dive watch ever produced. But that's an argument for another day.
Dell, in not trying to separate it from the Rolex Sub, Omega runs the continued risk of having hard-core Rolex fans narrow-mindedly slam the Seamaster as some kind of wannabe-Submariner. Which it isn't.
But back to my first line about all dive watches owning a little to the Rolex Sub. I commend brands like Omega for toying with the design of the dive watch and coming up with something 'new' ,given the limited confines with which they have to work. IWC managed to do it with the AquaTimer range and even Baume & Mercier had a good stab at it with the Capeland XXL titanium dive watch.
However, I balk at the fact that all Omega have done is tweak the colors on the existing Bond SMP and 'voila!', a new limited edition is born. Don't get me wrong, gang, I love Omega watches. I have 4 modern models and 3 vintage ones. In terms of getting what you pay for, this brand is probably the best one going.
I just wish they would have tried a little harder with this new black SMP.

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 04:13 AM

... Dell, in not trying to separate it from the Rolex Sub, Omega runs the continued risk of having hard-core Rolex fans narrow-mindedly slam the Seamaster as some kind of wannabe-Submariner. Which it isn't.... I balk at the fact that all Omega have done is tweak the colors on the existing Bond SMP and 'voila!', a new limited edition is born. Don't get me wrong, gang, I love Omega watches....

Two things.

1. When you get to the real class-act watch aficionados, by which I mean folks who are studied and really know their stuff, as opposed to bloviating in Forums and posting pictures of the one or two barely working Subs they managed to pay for by refinancing their used POS rides, I really haven't found that much Omega-bashing out there from the world of green. Wouldn't you agree, Vodka?

And for every insistance that Ian Fleming only put James Bond in a Rolex (which is ignorant and untrue, by the way), the best counter is that Omega is the only one of the two brands that has actually invested in 007 to perpetuate the film franchise that we all know and love.

You hit the nail on the head when you say "narrow-mindedly."

2. Before we go too much further down the road w/ the black/black Seamaster that's seems to have all the James Bond and Omega watch Forums in a buzz, I decided to be the first to actually ask some horology interests, "How many think this James Bond watch photo is a fake?" Just after midnight here in Michigan, preliminary results so far are as follows.
  • Only 40% believe it's authentic
  • Just over half believe it's a fake, altho half of those don't dismiss the possibility of a black/black Seamaster for Bond at some point
  • The balance have no opinion
So, if I may, quote the immortal words of Hedley Lamarr (Harvey Korman), from Blazing Saddles, "Gentlemen, calm your sphincters." :tup:

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 05:03 AM

True, Dell, I don't see a lot of Omega-bashing going on out there, but it only takes a few Pro-Rolex owners out there to start a real [censored]-storm on most Omega forums that I frequent. Things get ugly real quick after that.
Regarding the new black LtdEd Seamaster, the picture was posted up on www.style.com and was supplied to them by Omega. So it looks like this will be the new Ltd Edition SMP for 2008. I hope it looks better in real life than it does in the pic.
And yeah, I hope Omega bring out a black dialled Seamaster Co-Axial to replace the soon-to-be-disco'd 2254.50.00.

VM

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 12:42 PM

... Regarding the new black LtdEd Seamaster, the picture was posted up on www.style.com and was supplied to them by Omega. So it looks like this will be the new Ltd Edition SMP for 2008....

Now that is the sort of corroboration we needed here. Kudos to you! :tup::tup:

As you well know, one of my key frustrations in what I think is a very important study of James Bond watches is the lack of verification. Someone strikes an opinion, masses Xerox it, and suddenly it becomes "fact" based on a source of one. In this case, the source itself has validated the image that supposedly came to it. Someone (you) took the initiative and had success in securing that solid information. Great example to follow, I think. Thanks.

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 02:02 PM

Here is some more confirmation, straight from the mi6 homepage ( www.mi6.co.uk )

www.mi6.co.uk/sections/articles/collecting_omega_jamesbondwatch_2008.php3?t=&s=

Again, I beg the question, if all the filming "spy-shots" show Craig clearly wearing a PO, why come out with a new SMP? Granted it's decent looking (the all black SMP) but if he doesn't wear it in the movie, why even make it????

Edited by Qwerty, 12 March 2008 - 03:58 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2008 - 03:59 PM

Here is some more confirmation, straight from the mi6 homepage ( www.mi6.co.uk )

www.mi6.co.uk/sections/articles/collecting_omega_jamesbondwatch_2008.php3?t=&s=


That's the exact same release found in this article: http://commanderbond.net/article/4942

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 04:56 PM

Here is some more confirmation, straight from [censored] ....

That's the exact same release found in this article: http://commanderbond.net/article/4942

Why would one look any place but CommanderBond.net for the best coverage of James Bond news?

I certainly don't! :tup:

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 11:28 PM

I thought the picture looked like an Omega publicity shot. The shadows & reflections on the watch look accurate. I guess anything could be fake these days but if it is then someone has way too much time on their hands. :tup:

As far as the color goes, the black on black with red accents looks good. While I do love the blue on blue look, the black adds an interesting touch. I'll definitely want to check it out in person. The article mentions "gold plated hour markers" but they look silver to me in the photo.

If I jump into the market for another Omega, I'd probably look harder at the Planet Ocean, though. Mostly because I'd want something different than the Seamaster I already have.

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 12:37 AM

I thought the picture looked like an Omega publicity shot. The shadows & reflections on the watch look accurate. I guess anything could be fake these days but if it is then someone has way too much time on their hands. :tup:

As far as the color goes, the black on black with red accents looks good. While I do love the blue on blue look, the black adds an interesting touch. I'll definitely want to check it out in person. The article mentions "gold plated hour markers" but they look silver to me in the photo.

It's not that difficult to "fake" an image like that. Omega needed a preview photo of their new watch of which not single one has been produced, yet, so the went to their design or advertising department and told them to make one. They have all the basic elements on their computers to combine them to whatever they want. Colour change is three clicks, and the shadows and reflections shouldn't be a problem at all. Shouldn't take a pro who knows his software longer than an hour (heck, it's his dayjob). The image may not exactly look like the finished product, but it's only intended as a preview to give a first impression.

It's amazing what you can do with Photoshop these days...

And while I'm here: great thread, this one. Not very much watch savvy myself, so I'm happy to learn a thing or two here. :tup:

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 03:47 AM

It's Official!

Here's the complete Press Release just issued by Omega SA.

The "James Bond 007 Collector

Edited by Dell Deaton, 13 March 2008 - 04:40 AM.


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Posted 13 March 2008 - 03:59 AM

The 007 logo on an Omega is TACKY! :tup: