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[Dell Deaton]

[quote name='Sir James Moloney' post='842449' date='24 February 2008 - 13:58'][quote name='chuck3' post='841792' date='22 February 2008 - 19:22'][quote name='trs007' post='841734' date='22 February 2008 - 11:14'][quote name='Colonel Moon' post='841698' date='22 February 2008 - 10:09']Planet Ocean[/quote]Really? ...[/quote]After seeing the PO on a rubber strap in Casino Royale, I fell in love with it.... My wife says its a fetish![/quote]Well, I guess it

[chuck3]

[quote name='Dell Deaton' post='842750' date='25 February 2008 - 08:56'][quote name='Sir James Moloney' post='842449' date='24 February 2008 - 13:58'][quote name='chuck3' post='841792' date='22 February 2008 - 19:22'][quote name='trs007' post='841734' date='22 February 2008 - 11:14'][quote name='Colonel Moon' post='841698' date='22 February 2008 - 10:09']Planet Ocean[/quote]Really? ...[/quote]After seeing the PO on a rubber strap in Casino Royale, I fell in love with it.... My wife says its a fetish![/quote]Well, I guess it

[Dell Deaton]

Planet Ocean

Thats a definite? PO black face and bezel on stainless bracelet? If so then thats awesome (because I rock one that I bought on my honeymoon!) Thanks!

Dunno about "definite," but isn't it interesting that Daniel Craig is so frequently seen wearing an Omega Planet Ocean in TV interviews of late?

[sidspappy]

You could do worse than go with the assumption that it will be the PO on bracelet. Makes sense, as they appeared to be pushing the PO as the "next-gen" Omega for Craig, yet the rubber strap was inappropriate for the tux. Perhaps as a link to the Brosnan-era, they went with the blue SM in the latter half of CR. Now, with just one watch, they can cover the next-gen and formal wear-appropriate angles.

Omega knows what it is doing, and by pushing new models every so often, they stand to make a lot of money from folks like you (not me - too rich for my blood), who want to wear what Bond does.

IMHO, the PO is better suited to a more serious characterization by Craig. The SM was always a little too flashy/shiny/fussy to me, although it is a beautiful piece, don't get me wrong.

I long for the days when Connery (as Bond) would glance at his beat-up Rolex Submariner, with undersized replacement band. No flash or gadgetry - simply a good, honest timepiece that is used for it's intended purpose.

[plankattack]

I long for the days when Connery (as Bond) would glance at his beat-up Rolex Submariner, with undersized replacement band. No flash or gadgetry - simply a good, honest timepiece that is used for it's intended purpose.

You can actually get those straps on-line, for under a tenner (pounds sterling). They look very cool on the right watch.

[sidspappy]

Yes, I tried one of those a few years back - NATO straps, they're called. You can even get them in the "regimental" colors like Bond had in GF and TB. Darn thing was uncomfortable as heck - made out of stiff nylon with heat-sealed edges that seemed designed to chafe and rub until you tossed it in the trash.

Watch Thunderball and see that the strap there isn't really the same as what they're selling online. The strap in the films was obviously picked up somewhere in haste, since the strap is at least a couple of millimeters too small and appears to be missing a method for holding down the excess strap.

Those were the days, huh? Production design didn't mean as much as it does today.

FWIW, Rolex will never, ever endorse one of their current pieces in a Bond film. They actually don't do endorsed product placement. They've said their sales methodology does not fit with this type of marketing. Anyway, they've got all the sales they can handle, and presumably don't want to "dirty" their image with something as pedestrian as product placement.

But if you can sell gold diamond-encrusted models, to blinged-out rappers, how much of a reputation do you really have?

[chuck3]

do you guys think the PO will be 42 or 45.5mm?

[chuck3]

do you guys think the PO will be 42 or 45.5mm?

[sidspappy]

Well, being as Daniel Craig doesn't seem like a really big person, a 42mm should be quite tasteful. He's gotta wear the thing with his suits and tuxes, after all. I'm not certain, but I'd think the 45.5mm would make him look like a rapper.

Actually, when are we going to see a close-up shot of Bond actually reading his watch? The Brosnan-era was rife with close-ups. Granted, he was usually lasering something, or pulling detonators from them, but still.

Come on EON! Let's have Craig at least look at his PO, using the sweep hand to time a detonation or something!

[sidspappy]

do you guys think the PO will be 42 or 45.5mm?

See my post on your other thread.

42mm.

[dinovelvet]

Am I the only one who has no idea what is being discussed here?

[sidspappy]

Well, I'll be happy to explain:

We are discussing the possibilities regarding the Omega Planet Ocean Seamaster watch Daniel Craig will presumably be wearing in QoS. Specifically, we are wondering what size he will be wearing, in 42mm width, or 45.5mm width. I believe the measurement is taken laterally edge to edge on the main watch case. I feel 42mm widths are just right for a man of Daniel Craig's size, whereas the 45.5mm may be a tad large.

We actually haven't gotten confirmation that Craig will actually be wearing a Planet Ocean, but signs are good. I also have no evidence that they will be using a 42mm width, but only my opinion.

Hope this clears things up.

[MkB]

Mmmmmmh... Shouldn't this be in the spoiler section?

[Mr. Blofeld]

Hey, what a coincidence! Planet Ocean... Greene Planet!

Hmmmm...

[sidspappy]

Mmmmmmh... Shouldn't this be in the spoiler section?

Haven't been here in a while, but I just saw a thread that answers this:

No. It's not a spoiler. For one, the actual watch hasn't even been confirmed - this is all just speculation. And two, for items that are eventually going to be marketed up the yin yang before the release, they can't realistically be considered spoilers.

"Planet." Yes. Quite amusing. I think it is just a coincidence, owing to the media popularity and marketability of the whole Planet Earth awareness "movement." You know, being all green and reducing your carbon footprint, yada, yada, yada.

[Dell Deaton]

... We are discussing the possibilities regarding the Omega Planet Ocean Seamaster watch Daniel Craig will presumably be wearing in QoS. Specifically, we are wondering what size he will be wearing, in 42mm width, or 45.5mm width. I believe the measurement is taken laterally edge to edge on the main watch case. I feel 42mm widths are just right for a man of Daniel Craig's size, whereas the 45.5mm may be a tad large....

But we know for a fact that he actually wore the the Planet Ocean Big Size in Casino Royale. I'm not suggesting this makes it a preferred or more versatile choice for Quantum of Solace. But clearly no one thought it "a tad large" originally.

[Dell Deaton]

I long for the days when Connery (as Bond) would glance at his beat-up Rolex Submariner, with undersized replacement band. No flash or gadgetry - simply a good, honest timepiece that is used for it's intended purpose.

You can actually get those straps on-line, for under a tenner (pounds sterling). They look very cool on the right watch.

Quite classy on one of the more current (though non-COSC) Rolex Submariner models, in my opinion.



And the NATO strap shown here, configured as mentioned above, w/ solid stainless steel hardware (what else would you put w/ a Rolex?) is quite comfortable. Breaks in very nicely in a couple of weeks, then holds up nicely thereafter. Does well in water, strap length accommodates wearing outside of wetsuit, or tight on the wrist: Stays where you put it for necessary glances at the time, with our without cigarette lighter illumination.

But Connery wasn't exactly "pure" when it came to watches, and neither was Fleming. Ian Fleming wrote about the first gadget watch in his Thunderball novel (story based on a screen treatment by K. McClory, J. Whittingham, and Ian Fleming), and Sean Connery wore a modified Breitling Top Time in the film version of the same name to depict it.

As for what Rolex would or would not ever support in terms of a James Bond association, I wouldn't be so sure. Remember, Timothy Dalton wore a then-current model Submariner Date in Licence to Kill. Such product placements, whether or not they are overtly acknowledged, do not happen in a void. Especially coming after the years of clear cross-promotion deals w/ Seiko during the Roger Moore era.

[sidspappy]

I stand corrected on the PO size for CR, Mr. Deaton. By the way, I love your Bond watch site.

I acknowledge the product placement of Rolexes in Bond films, yet my problem is that Rolex probably can't or won't devote the intense cross-promotion that Omega has done well with over all these years. EON would presumably be loathe to give that up.

What I was trying to get at, is that I prefer that Bond uses a "tool watch," one meant more for durability and quality, rather than it's flash or cachet. This is why I prefer the early Rolex depictions on film, rather than the later glitz of the Seiko/Omega era. The Planet Ocean (even in it's large form), is a bit more understated than the Seamaster, which I applaud.

[Vodka Martino]

Personally, I hope he winds up wearing the 42mm Planet Ocean on QoS. Couple of reasons;
Firstly, I have been selling watches for the last eight years and have seen watch case sizes get larger and larger to the point where it's no longer about buying a watch anymore, but becomes something more of a p******g contest. Both IWC and Breitling are the main culprits who started this big watch trend. I like many models from both of these brands, but geez, they don't have to make them so large. The Planet Ocean, At 42mm in diameter, seems well suited to most guy's wrists. Looks good on some girls, too.
Secondly, I wear a 42mm Planet Ocean and it's a great watch.
I guess we'll all just have to wait until QoS is released before we'll know for sure.

Vodka Martino

[Dell Deaton]

It's all for fun, sidspappy, and your overall point of view is actually one w/ which I tend to agree.

Rolex is a fantastic tool watch, and the Submariner Date (as opposed to classic Sub) balances the line exceptionally well as a field agent piece versatile enough to go from underwater diving to casino. I often wondered if the two-watch approach to Casino Royale wasn't perhaps driven as much by the fact that the Seamaster was a bit too pretty for the early Daniel Craig approach to Bond in the film, and the Planet Ocean a bit too rugged-looking for the card table. The hard break between 007 on his own, having chosen the P.O., then, on the train and on out of the film in the Omega Seamaster may imply a dictate from M on what he was to wear in support of his new cover.

From a practical durability standpoint, many would argue that the Omega is comparable. Both the Seamaster and the Planet Ocean are true "tool" watches. Inside and out, they may not be engineered to the nth degree (or, as a lot of folks say, "over-engineered"). But are sufficient insofar as one would need in practical MI6 applications.

Martino, you already know where I stand on the case-size question; we agree completely. And going w/ the smaller P.O. could well mean the difference between a CBn Thread 40 years from now where our offspring will be talking about an interesting style phase (a'la, the Hamilton Pulsar P-2 in Live and Let Die), and the early Subs that sidspappy reveres. Also read on one of the electronic watch forums claims of a new 2254.50 / 2531.80 hybrid watch, perhaps to be shown at Basel, will be the new James Bond watch.

Hard to say what the merits of that might be--.

[plankattack]

And the NATO strap shown here, configured as mentioned above, w/ solid stainless steel hardware (what else would you put w/ a Rolex?) is quite comfortable. Breaks in very nicely in a couple of weeks, then holds up nicely thereafter. Does well in water, strap length accommodates wearing outside of wetsuit, or tight on the wrist: Stays where you put it for necessary glances at the time, with our without cigarette lighter illumination.

The NATO straps are terrific - I have a green one on a different watch but I need to order the right size for my Submariner (I don't want to entirely emulate Thunderball...!). There is a website www.timefactors.com that features them. They have green, black, as well as dark blue/red stripe regimental one that I think is the GF/TB strap.

If you're out and about alot, they are very hardy (I actually spied Prince Harry wearing one in all the weekend's coverage). And as Dell says, they're very comfortable and unbelievably cheap!

[Four Aces]

VM and DD,

Good to see your posts again. I've been gone for a while.

I do like my Sub Date. Magnetized it by mistake a while back. It's back to normal now.

Maybe I need a new Milgauss

[Dell Deaton]

VM and DD,... Maybe I need a new Milgauss

Great to see you again, Aces! I was wondering where you'd gotten off to, especially as the horology Threads started heating up again!

Welcome back.

PS: Don't get me stirred up w/ Milgauss envy: I've often thought it would have been the best choice for Dr. No, and then a laundry list of missions thereafter.

[sidspappy]

Just found these on a site called nowatermark.net. These are supposed to be shots of DC filming last month and this month. One shot is dated 3/4/08. I have done some quick and dirty editing of the watch shots:

 PO_sight_panama.JPG   35.93KB   54 downloads
 PO_sight_filming.JPG   24.2KB   46 downloads

I haven't been here for a while, but I gathered that no official word has been announced on the Omega to be seen in QoS. But this photographic proof would seem to be the next best thing.

Now, the only determination needs to be the diameter - 42mm or 45.5mm?

[Vodka Martino]

VM and DD,

Good to see your posts again. I've been gone for a while.

I do like my Sub Date. Magnetized it by mistake a while back. It's back to normal now.

Maybe I need a new Milgauss

Four Aces, I have long had an admiration for the Rolex Sub, especially the 5513 model from the early '80s. However, I have watched the prices of vintage Rolex Subs go up and up in recent years and it gets harder to justify the purchase of one.
Still, no well-dressed Bond fan should be without one, to paraphrase Connery in "Thunderball".
I have the 42mm Planet Ocean, which has been away at Omega getting serviced because according to them, I had magnetiozed the movement and it was gaining 30 secs a day. Now, I'm ashamed to admit that I have 16 watches and I am very careful with them. I can't think of how I would have magnetized the watch. I got the Planet Ocean back from repairs yesterday. It seems that it required further work than first thought. Seems to be running fine now, but I'll check it tonight to see how much time it's lost or gained.

VM

Just found these on a site called nowatermark.net. These are supposed to be shots of DC filming last month and this month. One shot is dated 3/4/08. I have done some quick and dirty editing of the watch shots:

 PO_sight_panama.JPG   35.93KB   54 downloads
 PO_sight_filming.JPG   24.2KB   46 downloads

I haven't been here for a while, but I gathered that no official word has been announced on the Omega to be seen in QoS. But this photographic proof would seem to be the next best thing.

Now, the only determination needs to be the diameter - 42mm or 45.5mm?

Based on your photos, Sidspappy, I still say he'll be wearing the 42mm.

VM

[SecretAgent007]

Yeah, that looks like the 42mm. I have the the 45.5 which looks bigger on the bracelet.

And here is a publicity pic from CR where he is also wearing the PO with metal bracelet. It looks like the 45.5 model.

Edited by SecretAgent007, 04 March 2008 - 11:50 PM.

[HildebrandRarity]

I love this thread! I was in the market for either a Rolex or Omega...leaning towards the Connery/Lazenby era brand as opposed to that of the Brosnan/Craig era...to 'replace' my Ayrton Senna (of Formula One fame) era TAG-Heuer...so this has just made me even more confused as well as enlightened.

[Dell Deaton]

... I have long had an admiration for the Rolex Sub, especially the 5513 model from the early '80s. However, I have watched the prices of vintage Rolex Subs go up and up in recent years and it gets harder to justify the purchase of one. Still, no well-dressed Bond fan should be without one, to paraphrase Connery in "Thunderball"....

As we seem to be getting a bit far afield from the more limited discussion of Omega and the Quantum of Solace watch(es), I thought this link might be of interest relative to your point, VM.

Rolex Price Evolution: A table reportedly provided by an AD to show wristwatch price changes over the years, since 1957 for some models.

Talk about wow. The Rolex Submariner of the Dr. No era sold for $150, compared to $230 in the Roger Moore era (ie, Live and Let Die, The Man with the Golden Gun), compared to $5,300 today. Mind you, I'm not talking about the valuation of the original 1957 watch as it has appreciated, but, rather, the Rolex Sub, as it has evolved, sold new (today I believe the model number for that watch is 14060M).

Okay, now, back to Omega--.

[Vodka Martino]

I love this thread! I was in the market for either a Rolex or Omega...leaning towards the Connery/Lazenby era brand as opposed to that of the Brosnan/Craig era...to 'replace' my Ayrton Senna (of Formula One fame) era TAG-Heuer...so this has just made me even more confused as well as enlightened.

HR, an Connery/Lazenby era Rolex Sub will cost you an arm and a leg, these days. You'll still be able to wear the watch, but setting the time will be a problem.

VM

[chuck3]

i got the PO 42mm. Its perfect for basically all occasions. I wear it everyday. eventually I'll be able to afford the Rolex Yacht-Master (as apposed to to a submariner, because in my opinion the PO is a pretty bad- dive watch). The yacht master will be for special occasions. Unfortunately that acquisition is about 10 years and $8,500 away!