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[Dell Deaton]

i got the PO 42mm. Its perfect for basically all occasions. I wear it everyday. ... in my opinion the PO is a pretty bad- dive watch)....

If you haven't seen it already, I bet you'd enjoy the June 2005 WatchTime article titled, "Test: Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean - Against the Tide," available in its entirety online.

[chuck3]

i got the PO 42mm. Its perfect for basically all occasions. I wear it everyday. ... in my opinion the PO is a pretty bad- dive watch)....

If you haven't seen it already, I bet you'd enjoy the June 2005 WatchTime article titled, "Test: Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean - Against the Tide," available in its entirety online.

Wow Dell. Thanks. WOW!!!!

[chuck3]

i got the PO 42mm. Its perfect for basically all occasions. I wear it everyday. ... in my opinion the PO is a pretty bad- dive watch)....

If you haven't seen it already, I bet you'd enjoy the June 2005 WatchTime article titled, "Test: Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean - Against the Tide," available in its entirety online.

Wow Dell. Thanks. WOW!!!!

Great article, thanks!

[Sriram619]

Im pretty sure he is going to be wearing the Planet ocean on the steel bracelet all these photos of him filming show him wearing the PO even in his leisure time when he is just relaxing or doing interviews and all that you can clearly see he wears the PO on steel i guess he likes that watch. Also how do you guys know omega is releasing a new seamaster for the movie ? i cant find an official link anywhere i mean like the PO on steel its a oool change but i hope they give him the seamaster in the movie as well that watch is classic

[chuck3]

Im pretty sure he is going to be wearing the Planet ocean on the steel bracelet all these photos of him filming show him wearing the PO even in his leisure time when he is just relaxing or doing interviews and all that you can clearly see he wears the PO on steel i guess he likes that watch. Also how do you guys know omega is releasing a new seamaster for the movie ? i cant find an official link anywhere i mean like the PO on steel its a oool change but i hope they give him the seamaster in the movie as well that watch is classic

When and if you have the time, give yourself the opportunity to read all the previous posts relating to this issue. Although the PO hasn't been officially released as the "Next/new Bond watch," spy photos and filming photos definetly show Daniel Craig wearing it on the stainless bracelet. In a nutshell, all we have surmised throughout these posts/threads is that in the beginning of Quantum of Solace he will be wearing the 'Blue' Bond watch (that has graced the silver screen since Peirce Brosnan took on the roll) for continuity from the end of Casino Royale, and probably switch to the PO that we have seen in photos. I would like to see the return of the 'Q' branch, in which Q presents 007 with the planet ocean, with some "enhancements." To answer your question, there has been no official press release that there will be a new bond watch...only speculation.
I have even gone to extent of communicating via email to the reps from the Swatch Group (which owns Omega, Tissot, Tiffany, Breguet & Blancpain among other high-brand watches) and they claim that no new Bond watch has been issued (they are probably sworn to secrecy and would loose their job if they told me anyway!)
You are not alone, us watch-freaks scour the web daily looking for anything pointing to a new watch.
Hope this helps!

[sidspappy]

So the Brosnan-era blue SM will be retired in the films? Okay, I like that idea. Now Daniel Craig can wear the bracelet PO with all his outfits.

Now Omega stands to drive a new wave of sales for this new Bond model. Smart move.

I wonder how long before Daniel Craig (and not Bond) becomes an official "Omega Ambassador." He seems to enjoy his Omegas a lot.

[Dell Deaton]

So the Brosnan-era blue SM will be retired in the films? Okay, I like that idea....

Just to be clear, officially-speaking, no "Brosnan-era" Seamaster has ever appeared in a Daniel Craig James Bond film. Here's an image I recently made of the GoldenEye Omega, which was a quartz model (2541.80), on the left (shown on a strap, as 007 wore it during the pre-title sequence; and the mechanical model (2531.80) that Mr. Brosnan wore for the subsequent three films, on the right.



The similar-looking wristwatch worn by Mr. Craig in Casino Royale scenes beginning w/ the train trip on which he met Vesper is a 2220.80 model. It has a more expensive, and, many would argue, technically-advanced mechanism than the 2531.80 watch. From a purely visual standpoint, it's easily differentiated by the fact that the word "Seamaster" appears near the 12 o'clock position, and in red, and the markers have silver surrounds. Ironically, the 2531.80 is still the watch featured on the Seamaster lead page of the Omega SA website.

[Sir James Moloney]

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[chuck3]

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[Sir James Moloney]

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[chuck3]

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[Sir James Moloney]

You know what I

[Dell Deaton]

Let me say a few things in response to these last few Posts here.

1. Referring back to my Casino Royale / James Bond Omega blog, you'll see that there were a number of "official" false starts in terms of identifying the watch(es) in that film.

2. If you scroll down on my November 15, 2006, blog entry, you'll see detailed images of Daniel Craig as James Bond in Casino Royale. These would be the comparison photos I'd use in assessing long-shots from Quantum of Solace for potential identification of any new or returning Omega wristwatch for the film.

3. Remember: We know for a fact that the Casino Royale Planet Ocean was a 45.5mm size. There has been a trend toward larger-case watches in the industry right now. Omega SA doesn't make money on selling watches that might kinda someday become classics, but, rather, on producing watches that appeal to current demand.

4. As a "product mix," Omega SA is well-served to do as it did in Casino Royale, to offer a more moderately-sized Seamaster (as discussed above), and a larger-sized Planet Ocean.

5. The flip-side of this, of course, is that Omega SA continues to sell the Planet Ocean Big Size that appeared in Casino Royale, and can now benefit from selling the 42mm size in Quantum of Solace, thus most broadly expanding the choices for a potential buyer brought into its shop by the Bond association. (The only downside to this is that it still neglects to provide a Big Size on a bracelet, which is a very popular choice and not one that 007 purists would call a true "James Bond watch.")

Finally, if the fundamental question is having "the" James Bond watch on your wrist when you head off to the premier of Quantum of Solace, you have quite a few months to go before that would be a worry. Recalling again Casino Royale, there was an official announcement w/ images from Omega SA in May. So the only reason to fret over model identifications now would be if you had concern about getting a Limited Series piece, assuming one or more will be released. Again, from experience, I literally held in my hand some half-a-dozen different watches from the 5,007 run (different area Authorized Dealers) just before Christmas 2006, and my own AD called me last month (yup, in 2008) to say she'd just gotten in one of the 10,007 pieces w/ ease.

Personally, I'd be using the coming months to visit Authorized Dealers in my area if I were looking to buy. Get to know the sales people, get them to know your face. When the Quantum of Solace watch(es) identification is locked down sometime between April and August, that's when you go in and around and negotiate price. All but the Limiteds will be right there in the display case for you to see, touch, and compare.

Remember that line from Goldfinger, where Bond is trailing in the Aston Martin DB-5 and the pretty girl in the 1964-1/2 Mustang speeds past, invitingly? He says to himself...

"Discipline, Double-0 Seven. Discipline."

[Sir James Moloney]

Thanks Dell. Some moderation injection there

[chuck3]

Thanks Dell. Some moderation injection there

Only time will tell what the future holds. But I love my PO nonetheless, and once I get my Yacht-Master, I'll probably put a rubber strap on the PO

[Vodka Martino]

We won't really know which Omega DC will be wearing in QoS until closer to the film's release when the product placement juggernaut charges full steam ahead. When I see the shots from "Casino Royale", I begin to doubt my previous statements. Without knowing exactly how big his wrists are, I'm tempted to think that Daniel Craig will wear the 42mm, based on how much space this watch covers over the top of his wrist. But then again, it makes more sense for Omega to equip him with the 45mm model. Reason being that the 45mm models fits in more neatly with the trend towards larger watches. In the store I work in, both sizes sell about 50/50, but when I think about it, the 45mm PO only slightly outsells the 42mm model. Six out of ten Planet Oceans that we sell are the 45mm version, the other 4 are the 42mm.
Most of the guys who walk in to buy the watch tend to go for the larger model. I personally think that, for them, it's not about buying a nice classic watch, but more about impressing their friends and trying to stand out from the crowd. However, when the dust fianlly settles on this big watch trend, I would like to think that the 40 to 42mm models will be seen as classics.
Having said that, if like me, you are approx 5" 11' with a slight/slim build and have six-and-half-inch wrists, the 42mm model may be better suited to your wrist. If you tower over six feet, have broader shoulders than most and have a larger wrist than myself, then I say go for the 45mm version. One other thing- when trying the Planet Ocean on, try to get a look at yourself in a full-length mirror. Most ADs should have full-length mirrors in their show-rooms. This is really the only way to get the 'full picture' , as it were, in order to determine which size looks best on you. Stand in front of the mirror in profile with your arm hanging loosely by your sidde, turn front-on to the mirror and cross your arms. Don't ask the salesperson for his/her opinion. They just want to make the sale. Unless it's me selling you the watch. I just want you to have the best watch that suits you and that you can afford.
I have seen a few customers who can't carry off the larger sized model because it stands out too much when seen in proportion to the rest of them. Most guys try these watches on and stare at it on their wrists. All they can really see in their field of vision is the distance from their knuckles to their elbows. IMHO, this is not a true test of how the watch will really look on them.
I've had my 42mm PO for nearly three years and it suits me pefectly. I wish I was built more like Daniel Craig, but cest la vie. There was no way in h3ll I was going to buy the 45mm model, given my build. On me, I might as well have worn clown shoes to go with the watch. Wearing a too large watch, you also run the risk of walking into a room and having people look down at your wrist before they look up at your face. That would have ticked me off no end. At the end of the day, you get remembered for the things you say and do in life and not the size of your watch. Write that down, kids, there's a test tomorrow.
If you are in the market for a Planet Ocean, then choose your size carefully, gents. These watches are rock-solid and built to last. And like I say to my customers all the time, if you're gonna be looking at your watch ten to twelve times a day when you want to know the time, you might as well like what you're looking at.
Just my 2c.

Vodka Martino

[Dell Deaton]

... At the end of the day, you get remembered for the things you say and do in life and not the size of your watch....

... if you're gonna be looking at your watch ten to twelve times a day when you want to know the time, you might as well like what you're looking at....

Great quotes (and I have written them down)!

[chuck3]

... At the end of the day, you get remembered for the things you say and do in life and not the size of your watch....

... if you're gonna be looking at your watch ten to twelve times a day when you want to know the time, you might as well like what you're looking at....

Great quotes (and I have written them down)!

I totally agree with both of you, and personally can't wait for the big watch trend to end. Some of these people that walk into my dealership look ridiculous, but "to each his own". Anyway, like I've said, I have the 42mm PO and thats the perfect size for me. The Only watch I would consider getting would be a Breitling for Bentley, which I think is around 47mm, maybe more. But if I was in the market for a Breitling (which I'm not), I'd go with the Navitimer, preferably heritage edition, black face, either stainless or on black leather strap. For now, I just woke up (I sleep with my PO) its running like a top, it looks good on my wrist (because I do check the time many times a day) I have a question for both you guys, since both Dell (whose web sites are well written, correct, and his info is thouroughly researched) & Vodka Martino (who actually works in a watch store) are well respected & educated individuals: Is it OK to set my PO to the atomic clock daily? Or should I allow a break-in period? (I've heard rumors of break-in periods, but don't' really know what it means). My PO gains about 2-4 seconds a day. Thanks guys!

[Ace Roberts]

Always wanting to throw a little controversy in to keep our brains active - in 1934 American actor Clark Gable stunned the world in the motion picture It Happened One Night in a scene where he removed his shirt. He wasn't wearing an undershirt - men's fashion was tossed upside down and the undershirt industry hit it biggest slump in decades. Nobody wore undershirts for years after that.

OK - fast forward to the 21st Century and watch a scene from Bond 23 when Daniel Craig reaches into his pocket and checks the time on his Sony Erickson cell phone - i.e. no Omega watch. This is - by the way - a trend that has already taken hold with the younger generation as they rely on their cell phones that have satellite-fed digital time displays embedded. Why worry with the additional cost of a watch and having to change it every time you cross time-zones?

Just a little controversy....

[chuck3]

Always wanting to throw a little controversy in to keep our brains active - in 1934 American actor Clark Gable stunned the world in the motion picture It Happened One Night in a scene where he removed his shirt. He wasn't wearing an undershirt - men's fashion was tossed upside down and the undershirt industry hit it biggest slump in decades. Nobody wore undershirts for years after that.

OK - fast forward to the 21st Century and watch a scene from Bond 23 when Daniel Craig reaches into his pocket and checks the time on his Sony Erickson cell phone - i.e. no Omega watch. This is - by the way - a trend that has already taken hold with the younger generation as they rely on their cell phones that have satellite-fed digital time displays embedded. Why worry with the additional cost of a watch and having to change it every time you cross time-zones?

Just a little controversy....

Not to sound condescending, but bond 23 hasn't even come out yet. Bond 21 was Daniel Craig's first outing, and Bond 22 (Quantum Of Solace) is still being filmed.

[Ace Roberts]

Always wanting to throw a little controversy in to keep our brains active - in 1934 American actor Clark Gable stunned the world in the motion picture It Happened One Night in a scene where he removed his shirt. He wasn't wearing an undershirt - men's fashion was tossed upside down and the undershirt industry hit it biggest slump in decades. Nobody wore undershirts for years after that.

OK - fast forward to the 21st Century and watch a scene from Bond 23 when Daniel Craig reaches into his pocket and checks the time on his Sony Erickson cell phone - i.e. no Omega watch. This is - by the way - a trend that has already taken hold with the younger generation as they rely on their cell phones that have satellite-fed digital time displays embedded. Why worry with the additional cost of a watch and having to change it every time you cross time-zones?

Just a little controversy....

Not to sound condescending, but bond 23 hasn't even come out yet. Bond 21 was Daniel Craig's first outing, and Bond 22 (Quantum Of Solace) is still being filmed.

AND since we KNOW the Omega is in Quantum of Solace (Bond 22) ....THAT is why I hypothesized Bond 23 sometime in the future!!

[Sir James Moloney]

Well, unless Bond

Edited by Sir James Moloney, 08 March 2008 - 08:58 PM.

[Sir James Moloney]

You know? I really don

[Ace Roberts]

[quote name='Sir James Moloney' post='848376' date='8 March 2008 - 14:55']Well, unless Bond

[Vodka Martino]

[quote name='chuck3' post='848303' date='9 March 2008 - 01:59']I totally agree with both of you, and personally can't wait for the big watch trend to end. Some of these people that walk into my dealership look ridiculous, but "to each his own". Anyway, like I've said, I have the 42mm PO and thats the perfect size for me. The Only watch I would consider getting would be a Breitling for Bentley, which I think is around 47mm, maybe more. But if I was in the market for a Breitling (which I'm not), I'd go with the Navitimer, preferably heritage edition, black face, either stainless or on black leather strap. For now, I just woke up (I sleep with my PO) its running like a top, it looks good on my wrist (because I do check the time many times a day) I have a question for both you guys, since both Dell (whose web sites are well written, correct, and his info is thouroughly researched) & Vodka Martino (who actually works in a watch store) are well respected & educated individuals: Is it OK to set my PO to the atomic clock daily? Or should I allow a break-in period? (I've heard rumors of break-in periods, but don't' really know what it means). My PO gains about 2-4 seconds a day. Thanks guys! [/quote]

Chuck, there are two schools of thought regarding break-in periods. A break-in period is just the amount of time it takes for your watch to settle into its running rate. My watch repairer believes that a watch should run perfectly straight out of the box. I on the other hand would allow a month or so for the watch to settle in to its proper rate. Reason being that the various lubricants in the movement need to be distributed throughout the movement and this happens when the watch is running and while your arm is moving at various angles and positions on any given day. With regard to setting the watch daily, set it exactly down to the second and then (now this part depends on how anal you are about perfect time-keeping) leave it. I usually re-set my watches once they get to 30 secs fast or slow. If you want to re-set your watch every day, there are no rules, Chuck. The only problem you may have in the long term (and by long term, I mean in about 15-20 years perhaps) is that unscrewing the crown on a daily basis may cause the threading on the crown stem and tube to wear away sooner rather than later. Also, Chuck, if your watch is only gaining 2-4 seconds a day, then that's as accurate as you can get. Enjoy it. My PO is gaining quite a bit of time, but it's nothing that a minor service can't fix.


[quote name='Ace Roberts' post='848320' date='9 March 2008 - 02:52']Always wanting to throw a little controversy in to keep our brains active - in 1934 American actor Clark Gable stunned the world in the motion picture It Happened One Night in a scene where he removed his shirt. He wasn't wearing an undershirt - men's fashion was tossed upside down...

OK - fast forward to the 21st Century and watch a scene from Bond 23 when Daniel Craig reaches into his pocket and checks the time on his Sony Erickson cell phone - i.e. no Omega watch. This is - by the way - a trend that has already taken hold with the younger generation as they rely on their cell phones that have satellite-fed digital time displays embedded. Why worry with the additional cost of a watch and having to change it every time you cross time-zones?

Just a little controversy....[/quote]

Ace, I too have read about the Clark Gable with no undershirt story and let's not forget Tom Cruise and the Ray Bans, courtesy of "Risky Business" and "Top Gun". Anyway, there's many a time when two young guns in business suits will walk into my store on their lunch break and one of them is interested in buying a watch and the other guy is his friend who's along for the ride. Sure enough, as the first guy is trying on his dream watch, his friend will say- "Ahh, I don't need a watch, mate, I got this.", as he reaches into his pocket and pulls out his mobile phone. Some guys just ain't got no class. Besides, in trying to be modern and oh-so 21st Century, this guy doesn't realize that 100 years ago, he would have reached into his pocket and taken out a pocket watch on a chain. There are two accessories every man should own; a decent pen (ballpoint or otherwise) and a decent watch. You'd be surprised just how many of these flashy business dudes don't carry a pen. It doesn't have to be an eight hundred dollar Mont Blanc (overrated in my book), it can be a thirty dollar Parker. My decent-pen theory stems from my belief that if you have a nice pen, there's less chance of losing it. Oh yeah, you can even use it to write stuff with!
But I digress. Ace, I understand that most twentysomethings out there have mobile phones with satellite-fed digital time feeds and the like. You would think that these kids were planning a nuclear strike with all their high-tech gear.
I read a short article about six months ago concerning a study that Timex had conducted concerning their fear that watch sales had begun to plummet because Generation Y was using everything but watches to tell the time.
So, to that, I say wear a watch, guys. Keep the flame burning.




[quote name='Sir James Moloney' post='848378' date='9 March 2008 - 08:09']You know? I really don

[SecretAgent007]

Someone should start a thread in the general section for posting pics of our 007 watches. Good idea?

Josh

Edited by SecretAgent007, 09 March 2008 - 12:21 AM.

[chuck3]

Someone should start a thread in the general section for posting pics of our 007 watches. Good idea?

Josh

Go For It. Take charge!

[Dell Deaton]

Someone should start a thread in the general section for posting pics of our 007 watches. Good idea? ...

Go For It. Take charge!

A Thread already exists for just this interest.

See "Watches, James Bond Watches" on the CBn "Buy, Swap, Sell & Auction (Collecting)" Forum.

:tup:

[sharpshooter]

I would like Craig to wear the Planet Ocean he had in his first promo shot as Bond. That element got me excited when I first saw it, mainly because it looked more 'rough' and less suave.

[Dell Deaton]

Wow! Busy Saturday for the "Omega in QoS" Thread, eh? Sorry to be so late for the party; today was "Webelos Day" at the University of Michigan, so I was out quite a bit with Number One Son on Cub Scout stuff.

A lot of great stuff has already been written here, so I'll try to limit my contribution here to what I feel will add value w/out gratuitous repetition. If I miss anything or someone perceives themselves left out, that's not my intent. Let me know and I'll try to correct it.

Post #78 by chuck3, re Daily setting your Planet Ocean and "break-in" periods

As VM points out, there is a debate about this, and even moreso w/ respect to watches w/ the co-axial movements. He's also spelled out the (minimal) stress you are imparting to your wristwatch by daily setting it.

That said, I've never been one to be dismissive of an owner's desire for his/her mechanical watch to be as precisely accurate as possible. Just because I may not want a quartz movement or a piece that automatically sets itself per some signal from an atomic clock doesn't mean I don't want something that performs top of class! But when you point out, Chuck, that your watch "gains about 2-4 seconds a day," you are getting at the very nature of a mechanical movement. They don't vary consistently; their rate of gain/loss varies day by day, and more frequently (if you choose to track it that closely), and depends on a number of factors. Temperature and case orientation are most commonly discussed. For example, your watch will keep different time if you sleep wearing it, as opposed to not. It will vary based on its orientation on your nightstand as you sleep if you do so without wearing it.

Here's the Chronometer Certificate for my Omega Seamaster reference 2907.50.91 Planet Ocean Big Size, which has the same escapement as your watch.



Click on this LINK if you'd like to see an enlargement wherein you can read the results. COSC certification simply means that the mechanism, when tested (before being inserted into the case) held to an average daily variation in rate of between -4 and +6 seconds per day, across 5 positions and 3 temperatures. Beyond this, I've noticed that my Seamaster reference 2531.80 (the common Brosnan-Bond model, non-co-axial movement) will even vary by a fraction of a second depending on which half of the minute I track it in.

Bottom Line: Your 42mm Planet Ocean may be in disagreement w/ the atomic clock w/in 30 seconds of your setting it, due to the nature of the mechanism. Thereafter, it will both gain and lose time, settling into an average which will be your watch performance today, but will change over time (no pun intended). Monitoring and figuring out "why" is the great thing to be learning at this point in your ownership, I think.

Post #79 by Ace Roberts, re Digital phones replacing wristwatches

While there has been some hoopla of late regarding cell phones replacing commodity watches (ie, lower-price point time pieces that folks used to purchase because they needed something to tell the time), I believe high-end watch sales are actually up and rising. It is one of the few pieces of jewelry a man can supposedly wear to differentiate and indulge himself. I don't see any evidence that James Bond would make a purely "practical" decision to rely exclusively on his phone to tell the time. Specifically, I am not aware of any research indicating that Omega SA is losing share to cell phones, and, currently, Omega is the "James Bond Choice" for a wristwatch.

That said, "a little controversy" is nice here.

Sir James lays out a nice perspective beyond this. From a GQ perspective, a diver's watch is not only inappropriate w/ a suit, but any wristwatch at all is not appropriate w/ a tuxedo, strictly speaking. Yet 007 wears one with his, and others follow his lead! Further, I don't think divers even use divers' watches for the stated purpose, even as a back-up.

Additionally, Bond's watch made for a weapon in the On Her Majesty's Secret Service novel, and saved his wrist, if not his life, in the From Russia With Love novel. It's a lot less obtrusive to check the time on one's watch than by pulling out one's cell phone; and, in fact, before going w/ the thought that a cell phone display could or would replace the wristwatch, one should look at the history and ask why the simple addition of a leather strap to essentially attach a pocket watch to one's wrist in the first place transformed the industry. My personal opinion in this regard as it relates to field agents is that a luxury watch like a Rolex provides 007 with universal currency he could convert for a plane ticket home from any country via the nearest pawn shop, if need be.

Post #83 by Sir James, re Bond's tastes and watches

In my opinion, were this to be explored in future films it would be necessarily different from the novels. The Ian Fleming Bond, and in particular regarding the replacement of his Rolex in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, seemed to be sensitive to the cost of the loss as much as anything else. That seems a stretch from the James Bond of today. Probably at odds, too, w/ the Vesper analysis of James Bond and his watch in Casino Royale ~ and maybe even the Omega PR effort behind that line comparing his tastes to that of Rolex owners.

Post #84 by Ace Roberts, re The Dirk Pitt DOXA

Just wanted to say, "hi," from a fellow Clive Cussler fan from the olden days of Raise the Titanic.

Post #85 by Vodka Martino, re Miscellaneous

1. Agree w/ his paragraph responding to Chuck.

2. My Swiss Army Knife has a built-in pen, and I carry that on a ring w/ my car key; have to use it more often than I care to admit. Never occurred to me to buy a decent pen. Thanks for the tip!

3. That image of Sylvia Trench in Bond's flat, wearing little more than heals and his shirt, is one reason she'll always be a top-pick Bond Girl in my book.