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[double o ego]

Yeah, Craig wore the 45mm PO at the start of CR, so why would he wear a 42mm in QoS, plus based on the images I've seen, the watch looks to prominent to be a 42mm but to be perfectly honest, Craig's watch size is the least of anyone's concern, just as long as they hae the watch Bond actually wears in the movie. Now, I'm clearly speculating here but even though the new smp is the new Bond ltd edition watch, based on pure observation, I'm 99% sure that Craig will only be wearing one watch in QoS and it's the PO.

[chriso]

Yeah, Craig wore the 45mm PO at the start of CR, so why would he wear a 42mm in QoS, plus based on the images I've seen, the watch looks to prominent to be a 42mm but to be perfectly honest, Craig's watch size is the least of anyone's concern, just as long as they hae the watch Bond actually wears in the movie. Now, I'm clearly speculating here but even though the new smp is the new Bond ltd edition watch, based on pure observation, I'm 99% sure that Craig will only be wearing one watch in QoS and it's the PO.

I also think so. Craig wears only the PO and not the 'Bond watch'. On every shot you can clearly see him wearing the PO.
I'm buying the black non-limited Seamaster because I can't afford the PO but it doesn't matter which watch he wears.

[Qwerty]

Fantastic photos, Vodka Martino. Can't believe I've missed them until now.

[double o ego]

Yeah, Craig wore the 45mm PO at the start of CR, so why would he wear a 42mm in QoS, plus based on the images I've seen, the watch looks to prominent to be a 42mm but to be perfectly honest, Craig's watch size is the least of anyone's concern, just as long as they hae the watch Bond actually wears in the movie. Now, I'm clearly speculating here but even though the new smp is the new Bond ltd edition watch, based on pure observation, I'm 99% sure that Craig will only be wearing one watch in QoS and it's the PO.

I also think so. Craig wears only the PO and not the 'Bond watch'. On every shot you can clearly see him wearing the PO.
I'm buying the black non-limited Seamaster because I can't afford the PO but it doesn't matter which watch he wears.

That's a good choice because the non ltd edition simply looks better than ltd edition ersion imo. It also has the black wave pattern and of course it doesn't have the 007 logo on the ticker hand which imo cheapens the overall look of the watch.

[Dell Deaton]

Two good questions here. My thoughts--

• Why would Omega change the 007 case size from one film to the next?

Short answer: For the same reason they've invested in James Bond product placement in the first place, to sell watches. Undoubtedly there are folks w/in Omega SA who are Bond film fans (who wouldn't be?). But if you're watching and trying to anticipate the market for watches, it makes sense on several fronts to change watch sizes here, even if you assume things have settled firmly in favor of Planet Ocean for the Daniel Craig model.

Large watches are "in" right now. Does that make them a "fad"? If so, then fads go as they come. Expanding the offering hedges bets. It also makes the watch more accessible to fans who just can't wear something as big as the Casino Royale vintage, and they ain't gonna buy something they can't actually wear. Finally, if you talk to experts like VM here, I'm sure he'll have something to say about the versatility of a smaller watch in terms of what one can wear both swimming and more subtly w/ a shirt cuff and suit coat.

• What Omega model watch "should" you buy?

Again, although I have not involvement nor financial interest whatsoever in Omega, I don't think it's going too far out on a limb here to say they'd be happy with the answer "any" Omega model.

An additional value of product placement is clear here in that the Bond association will get some folks so interested in owning "Omega" as 007 that it's sufficient to have the brand, if not the exact model. I suspect that is what the black, black Seamaster model is somewhat about. You have to admit, even if it appears nowhere in this film or any other, it's still a neat hybrid in homage to both the Brosnan and Craig eras.

Another way to look at this is to ask what you're after in acquiring a new watch now. Is it just to show? Or will it become your daily wear? Or somewhere in between?

Personally, I own at least one (and in many cases, several) model of each James Bond brand featured in the novels and film: Breitling, Hamilton, Omega, Rolex, and Seiko. But many years ago, when I was heading off to college (at The University of Michigan!), my grandfather gave me the Elgin he'd worn himself for decades before. So whatever Bond watch I'd acquire during that time would never have been to wear. That changed when my son was born in 1998 and I decided to "retire" my Papa's watch to hold for him to inherit some day. That means my James Bond watch collection has divided: Whenever I wear a watch, it always has a 007 connection, either to a movie or a novel; but it has to fit my lifestyle, which means a certain rough and tumble performance. [link] It has to be comfortable on me, which may be quite different from what the actors appeared to wear with comfort in the film, or, indeed, what Ian Fleming found comfortable and thus thought so for Bond. I also have a sort of need to tell the time "at a glance" in my work, which suggests a more legible dial than some vintages (or the Pulsar P-2, which won't tell me anything unless I push a button to illuminate it).

So I'm all with anyone here who both enjoys this study and these discussions, but, in the end, makes a more practical, functional choice when it comes time to actually part with hard-earned money to make a purchase.

[Qwerty]

Now on the CBn main page...

Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean 'Quantum of Solace' Limited Edition

600m Co-Axial; preview photo and specs available

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That is one sweet watch. What would one of those set you back?

[Vodka Martino]

Yeah, Craig wore the 45mm PO at the start of CR, so why would he wear a 42mm in QoS, plus based on the images I've seen, the watch looks to prominent to be a 42mm...

Double o, I would agree with you, but I have seen enough photos of DC in "QoS" to suggest that he'll be wearing the 42mm model instead of the 45.5.

Large watches are "in" right now. Does that make them a "fad"? If so, then fads go as they come.
Finally, if you talk to experts like VM here, I'm sure he'll have something to say about the versatility of a smaller watch in terms of what one can wear both swimming and more subtly w/ a shirt cuff and suit coat.

Dell, you are too kind. After selling watches for the last eight years, I would love to say that big watches are just a fad, but I have seen more and more brands release larger and larger watches and there are no signs just yet that this fad is dying down.
Personally, I think that 44mm is about as large as any watch should be. Anything more than that and the watch begins to look too prominent on most wrists. And last time I checked, man has not evolved in the last 40 years or so into some huge-wristed beast that needs a massive watch on his wrist. While I understand that watches beyond 44mm are better proportioned to guys with big forearms, I have seen (and sold to) a lot of guys who put on a 45.5mm Planet Ocean and it verges on the ridiculous.
Some customers will ask me;"Does this watch look too big on my wrist?"
I would rather be honest than make a sale (y'all can choose to believe that or not) and since the customer is asking, I may as well be honest. If it looks too big, I'll say so. However, sometimes all you need is a little attitude to carry off a largish watch. A little bit of swagger goes a long way.
I'm looking at my 42mm Planet Ocean on my 6.5 inch wrist. This watch covers the entire top of my wrist, but I've gotten used to the size and I can just pull it off. But only just.
If you're in the market to buy yourself a watch, be it a Planet Ocean or whatever, you need to try the watch on and then get a look at yourself in front of a full-length mirror. Is everything in proportion? Take into consideration your height and the width of your shoulders too. Does the watch sit right compared to the rest of you? If so, and you have the bucks, then buy it. It'll last you the rest of your life and you can hand it down.
But getting back to the original question, Omega would happily put a different watch on DC's wrist for every Bond film. It makes clear financial sense for them. And it drives us watch collectors nuts.

Vodka Martino

[Dell Deaton]

It's also worth noting, VM, that a 45.5mm watch on a bracelet wears very differently from the same case size on a rubber strap.

If memory serves, my wrist is around 6.75 inches, so not much larger than yours. I can wear the Omega Planet Ocean BIG SIZE associated with Casino Royale and it's okay. (This assumes the acceptability of large dials, a separate discussion.) The arc of the flush-fit strap compensates and resolves the particular difference of my wrist size versus the size of this watch worn on it.

But the bracelet offers no such form. I've had the same sized Planet Ocean with the stainless steel bracelet and, as you've observed in your own situation, it just doesn't work. So what I think we're both saying here is that Omega SA would be making a very different marketing decision to use the same-size Planet Ocean in Quantum of Solace, but without the rubber strap. That's not to say they won't, or haven't; just putting it in context.

As far as driving watch collectors "nuts," I suppose this is as good an explanation for our state of mental health as any!

On the other hand, I doubt that in the main that broad collectors are the target demographic here. How many people do you know (here or anywhere) who own more than two or possibly three high-end James Bond watches? Or, for that matter, of any great number of makes? I think someone today might own a Rolex and an Omega. Or be in the market for a current 007 Planet Ocean as an upgrade for his or her Brosnan-era 2531.80 Seamaster. But it's not likely they'll go out and buy the four different versions to be associated with Bond in 2008, nor that will they be frustrated in not being able to do so.

Rather, the breadth of choices among James Bond watches simply makes it more likely that the interested fan can get the style of watch that best fits his or her tastes ~ and wrist.

Isn't that a good thing?

[Scamp]

Tried both sizes (on bracelets) on at the weekend and was staggered at how LARGE the large one is, and also how heavy! I have an 8 inch wrist and the large one still looks HUGE! Having said that though, they are both fantastic looking watches and for the pricey sum of £2,000 each (no discount for the smaller one as you would think!)are definately high end. The Seamaster Professional, at £1,725, is still a fantastic looking watch and the Black Special Edition is a good looking watch too. The jeweller also had non special edition Black quartz models on show in the window as well.

[Dell Deaton]

Tried both sizes (on bracelets) on at the weekend and was staggered at how LARGE the large one is, and also how heavy! I have an 8 inch wrist and the large one still looks HUGE! Having said that though, they are both fantastic looking watches and for the pricey sum of £2,000 each (no discount for the smaller one as you would think!)are definately high end. The Seamaster Professional, at £1,725, is still a fantastic looking watch and the Black Special Edition is a good looking watch too. The jeweller also had non special edition Black quartz models on show in the window as well.

That's the thing: Get in there and try them on! Make your own decision.

Disclaimer: Written while wearing my Dalton-Bond Rolex Submariner Date, because it doesn't so much matter which 007 watch you wear, so long at it is a James Bond watch! (This category even includes at least one pocket watch, if you're looking to be authentic to one of the choices in the On Her Majesty's Secret Service novel.)

[chuck3]

Tried both sizes (on bracelets) on at the weekend and was staggered at how LARGE the large one is, and also how heavy! I have an 8 inch wrist and the large one still looks HUGE! Having said that though, they are both fantastic looking watches and for the pricey sum of £2,000 each (no discount for the smaller one as you would think!)are definately high end. The Seamaster Professional, at £1,725, is still a fantastic looking watch and the Black Special Edition is a good looking watch too. The jeweller also had non special edition Black quartz models on show in the window as well.

That's the thing: Get in there and try them on! Make your own decision.

Disclaimer: Written while wearing my Dalton-Bond Rolex Submariner Date, because it doesn't so much matter which 007 watch you wear, so long at it is a James Bond watch! (This category even includes at least one pocket watch, if you're looking to be authentic to one of the choices in the On Her Majesty's Secret Service novel.)

Dell, any chance of getting more photos (from your Omega sources) of the "new" QOS Planet Ocean LE on www.jamesbondwatches.com ? A back shot? Clasp? Up-close shot of the dial? Your website, or 007 watch blog is very informative. And I'm sure that you're just as anxious as the rest of us to learn more about it! I'm also looking foreward to your write-up. cheers, chuck

[Scamp]

Whoops...should have said that now I have tried one on ....I WANT ONE! And I am going to stand here and scream until I get one!!!!!!

(Can you tell I have spent the day with lots of children!)

But it's late and I have a 2008 Omega catalogue to drool over!

Apparently there's a chap called Bond who may mave a few spare.....but some may be a little USED!

[Sir James Moloney]

Sorry to revive the Omega topic, but I´m about to buy a PO, after years and years of wanting a Bond watch. Any word out yet about the official QOS watch? Size and all? Not the special edition, I wouldn´t dream of wearing a watch that has 007 on it, it´s just not as cool as having the same one he wears in the film IMO. So, specıalısts, can you give me a hand? Dell? I´m probably going for the 42mm PO for wrist size reasons... And do you know how I can get the new catalog in pdf?

Edited by Sir James Moloney, 22 September 2008 - 04:51 PM.

[Vodka Martino]

Judging by the photos I have seen so far, DC will be wearing the 42mm Planet Ocean in "QoS". Black bezel, white numbers on the dial. Model No. 2201.50.
Go for it!

VM

[007Bond007]

The new omega for the movie out guns the casino royale omega watch (by looks). The black dial was perfect for the plot of the movie not to mention the song another way to die its all so darker. I like it. It is a nice change from casino royale, which in my oppinion was the best Bond movie.

[Sir James Moloney]

Judging by the photos I have seen so far, DC will be wearing the 42mm Planet Ocean in "QoS". Black bezel, white numbers on the dial. Model No. 2201.50.
Go for it!

VM

Thanks VM. I´m going for the 2201.50.

[Dell Deaton]

Judging by the photos I have seen so far, DC will be wearing the 42mm Planet Ocean in "QoS". Black bezel, white numbers on the dial. Model No. 2201.50.
Go for it!

VM

Thanks VM. I´m going for the 2201.50.

WAIT!

My deep respect regarding, admiration for, and usual agreement with my friend VM is evidenced by this Thread, I hope. If not, let me emphasize it again here.

However (unless someone can point me to something I may have missed while on an extending Boy Scout camping trip since late last week), there has been nothing new "officially," re The James Bond Quantum of Solace (Omega) watch since I wrote "So what if it is a Planet Ocean?" in my blog last April [link]. In the mean time, I've seen images of one Planet Ocean watch on a strap, supposedly an actual prop used in the film, and Posted by a person claiming a contact "deep inside Omega," only to have pulled the pictures since then. A "guarantee" from a self-proclaimed expert with inside contacts that we'd see the Seamaster return for this film, "but with a surprise." Suspect and outright hoax photos of "limited" editions that appeared last summer, which continue to this month to fool otherwise smart websites that in the past have been quite careful about checking their sources.

So what's the sudden urgency? Upon what are decisions being made here?

To borrow a favorite line of mine from JAWS, where Quint, after scratching his nails down a chalk board says words along the lines of, "You all know me. You all know what I do," James Bond watches are a passion of mine. Believe me, I take a seat to no one out there in terms of excitement for the subject and eagerness for answers.

But the fact of the matter is, there are none. And I have yet to see this round even the most reliable of sources from when I was doing Casino Royale research [link] turn out to be 100% this time around. Indeed, a certain arrogance, coupled with despiration seems to have polluted the mix; they're taking risks with guesses to avoid admitting, frankly, that there's a better, more disciplined crackdown on information release timing this round.

The painful fact is that we've still gotta wait. Maybe just until tomorrow. Maybe longer.

That's fine: There's really no rush. Who needs to be the "first" one w/ the watch? For Quantum of Solace, "first" will be measured in minutes, I'm guessing. The information will come out, and, assuming the blogger, Forum, or whatever other Internet news source to which you look isn't offline and/or sleeping, you'll see it within minutes. If it's a current model, it will remain in stock, and the prices won't suddenly skyrocket. Yes, it's "The Bond" to us; but to the Authorized Dealer, it's only one of many Omega promotions, along side the Olympics, Cindy Crawford's Choice, and watches modeled after those that have gone to the moon.

Like I said before, Omega makes great watches. I truly like the Planet Ocean style, own that style in my collection. If you're buying something to wear routinely, by all means, think about something that will fit and you'll enjoy, and consider getting something "similar" to what James Bond appears to wear in Quantum of Solace so that you will, indeed, enjoy wearing it.

Otherwise, if you want to get it "right," wait. We have nothing more today than we've had for the last six months.

Stick around here and we'll talk it through. Share our passions. It's your money, your choice. Make it intelligently.

Thanks for considering these thoughts. And, Sir James, I always welcome a bump to this Thread!

[Sir James Moloney]

Thanks Dell, many thanks

Unfortunatly I have placed my orther this afternoon for the watch. I´ll explain, I have just finished my masters degree and someone very close wanted to give me the watch as a gift, but it had to be now, to mark the ocasion. I know I want it to be the QOS one, but even not knowing that it will be the 42mm or the 45.5mm for sure or something else, I´ve put it on and I loved it in my wrist, what can I say...? But I have been following this thread for along time now and I have seen lots of pics of Daniel wearing the PO in QOS, so I think it will be "a" PO. Maybe not "the" PO, but... And I think you re right, I should maybe have waited.

I know identifying a watch just by pictures is not the way to go, but for several months, even before the production had started, I have followed the "Omega thread" (cool sounding Sidney Pollackish little title by the way). Daniel Craig was spotted wearing the PO in the palio shot in August 2007, in the arena magazine photoshoot, several other place, and at the press conference. Pictures that followed the conference, way into the shooting of the film, had him wearing the PO in London, Panama, ... If omega would lauch a new watch, even a new PO, would they have done it so early and not tell the world?

I know there are a couple of POs, the 22005000 and the 22015000 are the only ones existing that I think may mach the one in QOS. Even if he whore the 22005000, I don´t have the wrist size for it, so I´d still go with the 22015000.

Oh well...tell me Dell, am I doomed? Or do you think the odds of having make it "the" PO are good? I know you identified the CR one first, can you give me your guess on what PO will be the one from QOS? Even if you are not shure at all? Thanks in advance Dell, I always apreciate reading your posts and I must say the stuff I know about watches comes from reading them

So, do you think I made a (insert Governor of California´s voice) BIG MISTAKE! ?

Edited by Sir James Moloney, 23 September 2008 - 09:32 PM.

[Dell Deaton]

... do you think I made a (insert Governor of California´s voice) BIG MISTAKE! ?

No way! (Had to put this question to rest right up front, hating to see anyone in needless distress.)

Omega is a good watch. You don't hear about reliability issues, failures just after warranty, fit and finish questions, et cetera. During the Pierce Brosnan era, he wore as James Bond either the Omega 2531.80 or the 2541.80 model Seamaster; so called mid-sized versions of these were produced as numbers 2551.80 and 2561.80, respectively. Neither of these mid-sizeds appeared as James Bond watches. But if someone could not comfortably wear the full-sized versions, I'd never criticize or second guess their choice of the "right" ones for them. "It's close enough for government work," as they say.

In my book, you're fine. Beyond that, I'd encourage you to be fine irrespective of what anyone said or thought. But I'm answering because you asked.

... I have placed my orther this afternoon for the watch. I´ll explain, I have just finished my masters degree and someone very close wanted to give me the watch as a gift, but it had to be now, to mark the ocasion. I know I want it to be the QOS one, but even not knowing that it will be the 42mm or the 45.5mm for sure or something else, I´ve put it on and I loved it in my wrist, what can I say.... I know there are a couple of POs, the 22005000 and the 22015000 are the only ones existing that I think may mach the one in QOS. Even if he whore the 22005000, I don´t have the wrist size for it, so I´d still go with the 22015000....

Sounds to me like you thought it through. See my previous Posts on this. I admire folks who think things through. That's the key.

Did you mean to say "wore" or, as you wrote, "whore," here? (As you know, both have been argued vis-a-vis product placements!)

... I know identifying a watch just by pictures is not the way to go....

N.B.

... Or do you think the odds of having make it "the" PO are good? I know you identified the CR one first, can you give me your guess on what PO will be the one from QOS? Even if you are not shure at all? Thanks in advance Dell, I always apreciate reading your posts and I must say the stuff I know about watches comes from reading them....

Will send you a PM in a few hours (on my way out to a meeting now). If you don't have something from me w/in that time frame, remind me.

Good to see you Posting here again!

[Sir James Moloney]

Did you mean to say "wore" or, as you wrote, "whore," here? (As you know, both have been argued vis-a-vis product placements!)

lol my mistake

Thanks Dell, for the fast awnser. I´ll be awating for your PM

[Vodka Martino]

Judging by the photos I have seen so far, DC will be wearing the 42mm Planet Ocean in "QoS". Black bezel, white numbers on the dial. Model No. 2201.50.
Go for it!

VM

Thanks VM. I´m going for the 2201.50.

It's a great watch, Sir James. It's better suited to smaller and average sized wrists. And I know I saw a publicity photo of Daniel Craig wearing the 42mm model, but I haven't been able to locate it again. I've just spent the last 20 mins searching through "QoS" photo galleries on Google without any luck.
Best of luck with it, Sir James.
Here's a little more inspiration for you.


Vodka Martino

[Dell Deaton]

Did you mean to say "wore" or, as you wrote, "whore," here? (As you know, both have been argued vis-a-vis product placements!)

lol my mistake

Thanks Dell, for the fast awnser. I´ll be awating for your PM

A "mistake"? And just when I thought things were going to get exciting here!

PM just sent.

Judging by the photos I have seen so far, DC will be wearing the 42mm Planet Ocean in "QoS". Black bezel, white numbers on the dial. Model No. 2201.50.
Go for it!

VM

Thanks VM. I´m going for the 2201.50.

It's a great watch, Sir James. It's better suited to smaller and average sized wrists. And I know I saw a publicity photo of Daniel Craig wearing the 42mm model, but I haven't been able to locate it again. I've just spent the last 20 mins searching through "QoS" photo galleries on Google without any luck.
Best of luck with it, Sir James.
Here's a little more inspiration for you.


Vodka Martino

While I can't speak for Sir James, let me say that I am certainly excited by your photo!

[Vodka Martino]

Well, Dell, here are a couple more for you. This cover from the late 1970s, I dunno, I just can't seem to part with it.

I remember seeing some great covers on British spy fiction back then. I was in my early teens and was buying up Len Deighton novels like there was no tomorrow.

Here's one taken as the sun was setting. I didn't think I'd have enough light for a decent photo, but what do I know about digital photography? I still prefer film. Call me 'old-school'.


And one more to show that the Planet Ocean can look quite nice on a leather strap, too. A strap lends it more of a 1960s SAS guy's watch vibe. Just my take.


And that's it for now. I've got a few days off from work and there's a tonne of housework to attend to.
Over & out...for now.

Vodka M

[Sir James Moloney]

VM I wouldn´t be able to part with that cover too Very nice photos...can´t wait...must have watch imediatly...! And I too prefer film over digital, I still use my Pentax K1000 and the old super 8
That photo with the water pistol...my new wallpaper

You guys have been great. Many thanks to you both. I hope that, in a couple of days, I´ll be downloading my PO pictures here

[Vodka Martino]

That photo with the water pistol...my new wallpaper

LOL, I'm honored, Sir James!
Now, since I had more important things to do, I totally disregarded my pressing obligations to go hunting for that pic of DC wearing the 42mm Planet Ocean. And here it is in all its modem-burning glory. (Man, I hope this pic turns out as it should.)


And it's ready for its close-up, Mr De Mille.


And closer still.


Any closer than that and I'd have to marry the guy!

Now, the main difference between the 42mm model and the 45.5mm model (aside from size) is the bezel. The 42 has a coin-edged bezel and the 45.5 has a scalloped bezel.

Now go get that watch, Sir James.

VM

[Blofeld's Cat]

I was half expecting the watch to show 10-to-2 or 10-past-10.

[Sir James Moloney]

Thanks VM, very nice picture. Have you seen the new one, with the black background, Bond with the dinner jacket and the most Hoagy Carmichael face ever? I´ll try to find it, I think it´s my favourite "Craig as Bond" picture.
Here it is:

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Edited by Sir James Moloney, 24 September 2008 - 03:03 PM.

[double o ego]

The PO is the best watch that omega could have come up with. It's just so brilliant in every way. I've had mine for a few weeks now and from the moment I put it on, I've only taken it off to unecessarilly clean it and put it straight back on.
I've tried taking pictures of mine using my phone cam (5megapxl)but it just comes out blurry. Oh and great pics Dell and vodka.

[avl]

Well, Dell, here are a couple more for you. This cover from the late 1970s, I dunno, I just can't seem to part with it.

I remember seeing some great covers on British spy fiction back then. I was in my early teens and was buying up Len Deighton novels like there was no tomorrow.



Vodka M

Off topic - but I totally agree. The Deighton and Fleming covers all featured guns as I recall. Those Bond covers are still my favourites in all their cheesy sexist 70s glamour