
Omega in 'QoS'
#301
Posted 24 September 2008 - 10:14 PM
#302
Posted 24 September 2008 - 11:02 PM
I don't know, it just seems to look like the 42mm model strapped to his wrist. This is, of course, without knowing just how large (or small) his wrists are. It has something to do with how the watch sits on his wrist. And yes, he does tend to wear it loose.
Time will tell. (Pardon the pun).
Vodka Martino
#303
Posted 24 September 2008 - 11:37 PM
Very interesting post, dgruter. I wish I had known the picture I posted up was from CR. However, as a betting man, I stillthink Daniel Craig will be wearing the 42mm model in "QoS".
I don't know, it just seems to look like the 42mm model strapped to his wrist. This is, of course, without knowing just how large (or small) his wrists are. It has something to do with how the watch sits on his wrist. And yes, he does tend to wear it loose.
Time will tell. (Pardon the pun).
Vodka Martino
You are correct, eventually we will know, but half the fun is doing your own guess work and research.
I think that the appearance of the QOS Special Edition PO 45.5mm is as of now the best clue to identifying the watch. Also, for general information, there are serveral other differences between the PO 45 mm and 42 mmm than the bezel teeth shape: (i) the space between the omega logo and omega word on the dial, and (ii) the spacing of the date window with the 3 o'clock marker. Unfortunately, I have not seen any actual available still that would allow to identify the watch with certainty based on those differences.
On the other hand, I just recently read (in Dell's blog) that in the Empire Magazine report on QOS, Daniel Craig said that his watch is a "replica" of the original Submariner worn by Sean Connery in Dr. No. If I were "OMeeeega", I would be very pissed with my "amabassador"!!!! Also, the word "replica" seems rather odd, given its negative nature. I suppose he was rather referring to the PO being "inspired" or an "homage" to the original Submariner. But still seems very strange to me.
#304
Posted 25 September 2008 - 01:52 AM
Regarding Daniel Craig's faux pas in the "Empire" magazine interview, perhaps he got his vintage dive watches mixed up and may have been referring to this.

A late 1960s Omega Seamaster 300, which was probably one of the Rolex Submariner's main competitors back then and I think it was MoD standard issue to Royal Navy divers throughout the late '60s and early '70s...but don't quote me on that as my military watch knowledge is limited at best.
You can see the Planet Ocean's DNA in this watch. Gotta get my hands one one of these someday.
VM
#305
Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:42 AM
Although I personally try to avoid speculation, I rather enjoy the sort of thoughtful conclusions from analysis a'la what you have Posted here. Mr. Martino will keep you on your toes in that regard (in addition to making a contribution or two that may cause need of a cold shower: See book cover on previous page of this Thread).
Time permitting - and barring something more demanding of timely coverage - the Omega angle in relation to the EMPIRE article is on my list for another Blog entry. Respecting that you use the word "Ambassador" in quotes, I assume you already know that Daniel Craig is not an Omega Ambassador in the same, independent way that Pierce Brosnan was [link]. But he's sure been one as the persona of James Bond, and even a bit beyond that [link].
"Slap in the face" would seem an understatement. And gratuitously so for an article leading w/ Quantum of Solace and given no visual of Mr. Craig in this so-called Goldfinger Rolex "replica."
re The Seamaster 300 of which VM has Posted an image, I refuse to even acknowledge reading this, as he is clearly trying to bait me with the implication that Mr. Craig perhaps "got his vintage dive watches mixed up," saying Rolex Submariner when he meant this Omega Seamaster.

#306
Posted 25 September 2008 - 09:45 AM
re The Seamaster 300 of which VM has Posted an image, I refuse to even acknowledge reading this, as he is clearly trying to bait me with the implication that Mr. Craig perhaps "got his vintage dive watches mixed up," saying Rolex Submariner when he meant this Omega Seamaster.
"Perhaps" being the key word, here, Dell. I suspect that Daniel Craig has enough on his plate without having to brush up on vintage dive watches.

VM
#307
Posted 25 September 2008 - 10:24 AM

"Daniel Craig likes to tell a story about his watch. It’s a Rolex Submariner 6358, An exact replica of the one he remembers Sean Connery wearing in Goldfinger.
The story goes that the budget on Dr.No didn’t run to a Rolex, and Cubby Broccoli, aghast at Connery’s naked wrist, simply slipped off his own and handed it over. That watch stayed there for five films. The point, for both Broccoli and now Craig, is that it was Ian Fleming who first put a Rolex on Bond’s wrist. “He could not just wear a watch, it had to be a Rolex,” is the line in Casino Royale (the novel), that hymn to fetishism. Fleming, above all, remains the lynchpin"
It seems that Daniel takes the Bond role to another level, doesn´t it? It seems he´s getting very proud of himself, and he should IMO. Good to know he is a watch aficionado like us


#308
Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:02 PM
First, I suppose that I, too, have seen some references out and about regarding Daniel Craig perhaps being interested in watches. But is that anything more than folks who are, themselves, interested in watches ~ projecting that interest onto the actor? In other words, where's the substantiation for this?
Again I need to separate research from speculation (without judging either; just noting there's a difference, particularly when it comes to something upon which one may rely when spending several thousand dollars on a watch).
Also sorta key here, if we're thinking about relying anyone for a specific model number. Like I stated in my Blog yesterday.
Second, and it was mentioned in this CBn Thread last night, I'm really fixated on the idea that something is going on here. I can't believe the Rolex reference in the EMPIRE magazine piece (about Quantum of Solace!) is only as far as it goes. Things just aren't that loose in these matters. There are "rules," written and unwritten, about product placement investments.
So I think that boils down to one of three things:
- It's a shot over Omega's bow by Daniel Craig, personally.
- It's a shot over Omega's bow by EON.
- It's a shot over Rolex's bow by Omega (via "channels").
Some of these possibilities may actually suggest a plot twist in Quantum of Solace. Pretty exciting, if you're into watches, that is.
#309
Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:33 PM
Then again, we have pics of Bond wearing the Omega at the begining of QOS and at the very end, in the desert. Omega has also a new picture of Bond in a dinner jacket wearing the PO.
I agree that, if they (Omega) want to associate themselves with rolex, that quip in CR and now that mention of the rolex in empire may be a complex way of doing so. Talking about rolex and then wearing Omega is just the same thing as I just did, writing rolex with "r" and Omega with a capital letter "O", it´s almost a sublimal message of sorts isn´t it?
I do hope they stick with Omega, cause I just bought one

To me this is in the same line as Bond using the ppk, it´s old imagery and reference and I´m fine with it, I love that, actually.
Again, nice article as always Dell

Edited by Sir James Moloney, 25 September 2008 - 03:34 PM.
#310
Posted 25 September 2008 - 07:02 PM

Thanks.... To me this is in the same line as Bond using the ppk, it´s old imagery and reference and I´m fine with it, I love that, actually.
Again, nice article as always Dell
And you've said the magic three letters that were top of mind for me: PPK. Tell me about the market for the Walther PPK today? How many are currently being manufactured? The state of it as fire arm technology?
Talk of a PPK return to James Bond in Quantum of Solace could very well portend other associations, some of which even related to horology.
We'll see--.
#311
Posted 26 September 2008 - 02:54 AM
I've seen different watchmakers measure their size differently. Does Omega include the crown in their sizes, or just across the bezel?
#312
Posted 26 September 2008 - 07:10 AM
Vodka Martino
#313
Posted 26 September 2008 - 07:58 AM
#314
Posted 26 September 2008 - 02:15 PM
This last month or so has been pretty intense for me. I've had a major management project that's taken a lot of time, along w/ a good deal of camping for my leadership positions in Boy Scouts. You can also probably imagine how I was sweating a few times (not just from backpacking) for fear that Omega SA would make some sort of significant James Bond watch-related announcement and I wouldn't be able to cover it in anything near real-time.
When I got back to the real world late Monday evening, it was the first news I'd had in a while, the whole "financial crisis" and that hitting my radar.
So I've given myself permission to unwind just a little. And that means trolling area sources for James Bond watches, new and used. With Quantum of Solace so close we can all taste it, Omega has topped my list. (No disrespect meant here or ever to Rolex, Seiko, et cetera.)
Now, although I'm not sure I want to give it the sort of emphasis that would come from Posting these thoughts on a blog more or less exclusively focused on 007 time pieces, there are some things I'd like to get off my chest.
First, I was shocked to walk into one place as recently as yesterday and find both the current "James Bond 007 Collector's Piece" and the limited edition from Casino Royale right out there among other Omega watches in the display case. If you're like me, you probably remember when the Omega 2537.80 Seamasters from Brosnan era couldn't be found. And, although I was just some Joe off the street, the word "discount" was said to me for each wristwatch before I ever had it in my hand. (Yes, I did ask them to pull both out for me wherever I saw them, and I was wearing my 2531.80 yesterday, after having to cut a time test on my Rolex Submariner short after accidentally popping of its bezel when I hit the edge of my desk with it!)
Second, Authorized Dealers for Omega are uniformly angry that at the silence w/ which their requests for details on the Quantum of Solace model(s) are being met. A couple have told me the story of customers in my area (or perhaps the same guy, traveling from store to store) who has literally taken hundred dollar bills out of his pocket, placed them on the counter, and said he'll pay full MSRP then and there if they can provide him w/ proof of model number for the watch to be featured in the film. One sales woman said she called her rep in response and made a 45-minute effort, but had to let the guy walk out sans sale because she couldn't get specifics.
Speculation now is that Omega SA may be waiting to make some eve-of-movie-premier announcement in order to secure bigger Internet and maybe even TV coverage for a pre-Christmas sales bounce. (Screw the magazine lead times, as I was anticipating earlier this month in my blog.) But the dealers' concern is that the increasingly bad economic news makes those sales less and less likely as the months unfold. After the U.S. Presidential election, regardless of how it turns out, the incoming administration is going to delay any real action until things bottom out: Blame that on the last guy in office; improve the new guy's opportunity to take credit for any growth at all from that lowered baseline.
Again: If so-called "limited" pieces from Casino Royale are still available and offered at a discount, along side at least one other "limited" released earlier this year, what the heck is going to be so great about sales for a Quantum of Solace model worn by Daniel Craig sometime between now and whenever?
So they say. Interesting point.
Finally, this means one of two things for those of us in this Forum who are interested in James Bond watches. Either (a) you are able to afford a watch, have a desire to buy one, and now you're gonna get a great deal. Or (

Any watch priced over a couple hundred bucks is a luxury item. And any specialty watch (eg, the new Swatch James Bond villain watches) are priced at a premium that exceeds their value as devices to tell you the time (you know, the real reason watches are out there). If you buy now, buy because you want the piece and it doesn't put you at financial risk. Do not buy for an investment: By and large, luxury watches make poor investments. As I've said elsewhere, I've tracked 2537.80 watches, including new old stocks, and they aren't selling for their original MSRP.
Sorry to toss this bucket of water on things here. But I care too much about you all to leave this important perspective unsaid.
Thanks for considering this perspective.
#315
Posted 26 September 2008 - 04:18 PM
Although we've seen leaks for some time now, this "official" move may suggest that we're going to see an official identification of the actual wristwatch model(s) that Daniel Craig will wear as James Bond in Quantum of Solace.

Edited by Dell Deaton, 26 September 2008 - 04:21 PM.
#316
Posted 26 September 2008 - 07:08 PM





Edited by Sir James Moloney, 26 September 2008 - 07:12 PM.
#317
Posted 26 September 2008 - 08:47 PM
There's no such thing as a "wrong" Omega Planet Ocean!I´m proud to say that, as I´m writing this post, a gorgeous PO 42mm is now strapped around my wrist
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I´m happy! Can´t stop looking at it but when I can, I´ll take some cool photos next to the ppk and such.
Thanks for all the help and support guys
Even if it turns out to be the wrong PO, I´m as happy as I´m ever going to be

Congratulations. Looking forward to your pictures here.
#318
Posted 27 September 2008 - 10:43 AM
Allow me to clarify my viewpoint, whether it's right or wrong.
My God, I can't believe I'm quoting myself! Regarding what I said, I'm not sure even I knew what I meant. Wouldn't be the first time.You're right, dgruter, that there are several differences between the two sizes. However, at a glance, the most obvious difference (for me) is in the bezel edge.
Regarding Daniel Craig's faux pas in the "Empire" magazine interview, perhaps he got his vintage dive watches mixed up...
Me? Baiting? As if I don't have enough to do, Dell.re The Seamaster 300 of which VM has Posted an image, I refuse to even acknowledge reading this, as he is clearly trying to bait me with the implication that Mr. Craig perhaps "got his vintage dive watches mixed up," saying Rolex Submariner when he meant this Omega Seamaster.

Which brings me to this. Sir James Moloney transcribed the relevant part of the article for us. Me, I didn't wanna blow $18.50 on the Air Freight copy of "Empire" magazine. Besides, I still mourn the demise of "Premiere", one of the best film magazines ever. Damn the internet! Nobody reads off paper anymore.
But I digress. Read this...please.
This is the copy, from EMPIRE magazine:
"Daniel Craig likes to tell a story about his watch. It’s a Rolex Submariner 6358, An exact replica of the one he remembers Sean Connery wearing in Goldfinger.
The story goes that the budget on Dr.No didn’t run to a Rolex, and Cubby Broccoli, aghast at Connery’s naked wrist, simply slipped off his own and handed it over. That watch stayed there for five films. The point, for both Broccoli and now Craig, is that it was Ian Fleming who first put a Rolex on Bond’s wrist. “He could not just wear a watch, it had to be a Rolex,” is the line in Casino Royale (the novel), that hymn to fetishism. Fleming, above all, remains the lynchpin"
Now, I don't know about you guys, but I've read enough magazine articles (talk to my wife. She'll swear that I've kept EVERY single one) to know when the words are coming out of the mouth of the interviewer or the interview subject. "Replica" seems to be the journo's wording, not Daniel Craig's.
And another thing- Daniel Craig is not (yet) an Omega anbassador. James Bond is. So DC may well be a Bond fan and he may well own a Rolex Submariner like the one Connery wore in "Goldfinger". However, I don't think that Omega will lose any sleep if Mr Craig wishes to wear a Rolex. Besides, was the interview done on-set? Was DC in wardrobe? Was he at some studio in London doing final Foley recording of his dialogue? I ain't read the article, so perhaps I'm ill-equipped to speculate. But I think it was just Daniel Craig wearing a vintage Rolex Sub and nothing more. And if there is more to it, then, as Mr Bond has said on more than one occasion, "I'll eat my hat".
You know the story about Sigmund Freud who was once approached by a journalist as he was lighting a cigar? The journalist asked him something along the lines of; "And what does that cigar represent in the subconscious, Dr Freud?"
"Sometimes, my dear fellow, a cigar is just a cigar."
And sometimes it's just Daniel Craig wearing a Rolex.
VM
#319
Posted 27 September 2008 - 11:01 AM

Well, VM, I must say I agree.
But then again that doesn´t mean we won´t be offered another "watch talk" in QOS regarding Omega or Rolex. I don´t think we will but we never know.
PS: I just woke up to see the time in my brand new PO...life is grand!

#320
Posted 27 September 2008 - 11:14 AM
VM
#321
Posted 27 September 2008 - 11:41 AM
I've just re-read the last two pages of this thread concerning the "Empire" magazine write-up on "QoS", ... sometimes it's just Daniel Craig wearing a Rolex....
Hmm, VM still on vacation here--
- Two days ago I wrote something very similar in terms of how "we" would use the word "replica," as opposed to how "others" might [link]. So we agree (which may be a scarier thought to you than simply quoting yourself on CBn). However, in the larger context of the EMPIRE issue, which you may now be reading (for all I know), use of the word here seems sloppy at best. I don't think there's as much distance from word choice in this case as you may be willing to allow.
- Glad to know I'm not the only one who was unclear by your diver's watch reference.
- You were obviously baiting me; denying it will not make things any better!
Buy the magazine, because the Internet is just a passing fad and we'll be going back to paper any day now. Remember when they thought quartz was going to replace mechanical in watches? 'Nuff said.
- Again, see my first point about journalism and/or Mr. Craig's watch expertise (although there seem to be a lot of folks who've read the piece who are eager to cast him as "a watch guy," though I'm not one of them - but would welcome him if he were). In my opinion, irrespective of where the interview took place, I simply can't buy the notion that the Rolex reference was a slip of tongue or time piece choice. At this point all we can do is speculate, and I've done so, and labeled it as such. Worthwhile speculation, by the way (in my opinion), since product placement and James Bond go hand-in-hand back to the core of Ian Fleming. To fail to understand or respect it is to dismiss Bond's design.
- Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And other times it's part of a Presidential scandal, or a bit of dialogue between 007 and Moneypenny that works quite well.
- This is not a cigar story.
#322
Posted 27 September 2008 - 11:50 AM
Okay, Maloney: Did you actually sleep w/ your watch on, or did you wake up to see it on your nightstand? Thanks for the update.
lol...I can´t take it of


Like I said, life is grand


#323
Posted 27 September 2008 - 02:38 PM
Hmm, VM still on vacation here--
- Two days ago I wrote something very similar in terms of how "we" would use the word "replica," as opposed to how "others" might [link]. So we agree (which may be a scarier thought to you than simply quoting yourself on CBn). However, in the larger context of the EMPIRE issue, which you may now be reading (for all I know), use of the word here seems sloppy at best. I don't think there's as much distance from word choice in this case as you may be willing to allow.
I have to disagree with you there, Dell. If only for the fact that, as a watchseller, (that's right, folks, for any of you who've just tuned in, I have been selling Omegas and other brands at an Authorised Dealer for he last seven years) I get many people who refer to the dial of a watch as the "face". I have read magazines where the interviewer will refer to their subject glancing at "their Rolex Submariner Chronograph" (doesn't exist...yet), so for me, use of the word "replica" is sloppy journalism. OR...perhaps Daniel C may have used the word himself. Now, I love the guy, I thought he's been the best Bond since the first Bond (not Barry Nelson, the Scottish dude), but maybe his vocabulary is not great, or maybe he used the word 'replica' when he actually meant to say 'similar model to" .We'll never know, Dell. However, what irks me the most is that I've just spent ten minutes that I'll never get back discussing something that I'll not get the answer to. I hate a mystery, Dell, but I agree with much of what you say since you do your research well and are both knowledgable and passionate about the subject.
- Glad to know I'm not the only one who was unclear by your diver's watch reference.
- You were obviously baiting me; denying it will not make things any better!
Nope, I still say that it was poor journalism, the kind of side-bar article that's designed to pad out the page. Besides, if that was me baiting you, then it was so sneaky and under-handed that even I wasn't aware of it. When it comes to being smart-alecky, I'm much more overt about it. Especially on the big, scary internet where 'context' doesn't always come across clearly.
- In my opinion, irrespective of where the interview took place, I simply can't buy the notion that the Rolex reference was a slip of tongue or time piece choice.
Whereas I think it was merely a time-piece choice. Some days, I'll wear my Seiko to work (my store only sells Swiss-Made) and to hell with what anybody thinks. It's my watch, paid for with my money, strapped to my arm.
- This is not a cigar story.

Pleasant chatting with you. Now it's 12:35am and I think I'll have a cup of tea (or a shot of scotch!

Till the next time, Dell. Although, personally, I can't wait till the movie's out so we can finally put this thread to a gentle rest.
Cheers, (scotch it is, then!)
VM
#324
Posted 27 September 2008 - 09:22 PM
#325
Posted 28 September 2008 - 02:26 PM
Congrats as well. I too have a 42mm black/stainless PO 2201.50.00. Just over a year now. I still love it! -chuck
Thanks chuck3


#326
Posted 28 September 2008 - 09:35 PM
Am sending you a PM in a moment; watch for it.Hmm, VM still on vacation here ...
#327
Posted 29 September 2008 - 08:04 AM
One such in the Sunday Telegraph. Craig looking to camera with his watch hand across his chest. Classy.
#328
Posted 29 September 2008 - 09:18 AM
Yippee!!
Vodka Martino
#329
Posted 29 September 2008 - 10:19 AM
#330
Posted 29 September 2008 - 11:01 AM
You da man!Yep, Simon, the magazine ads have hit the shelves here in Australia. Mr Craig will be wearing the 42mm Planet Ocean in "Quantum of Solace".
Yippee!!
Vodka Martino
Looks like this is the first and so far exclusive Forum w/ this information (I guess the others aren't as diligent w/ their so-called "inside sources" as some have claimed). My Blog is also updated w/ this information [link].
Of course, we won't even know for sure that this matter is settled until our own resident CBn enthusiast "Jim" steps up w/ an ad hoc Post here on the matter.
