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[Byron]

Indeed, the success of CR should give its makers the confidence to do the same again, and mess with it all still further. Their technicians, read - Kleinman, will do a superlative job with a remit like this and I really look forward to 'more of the different.'
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Point well made and I fully agree.

Can't personally imagine Craig doing a traditional gunbarrel. Out of sync with what they are attempting to do with the series.

[mcdonbb]

I love the "new" but part of the joy of Bond is the nostalgia.

Yes, but I think now the nostalgic elements should be presented with a contemporary twist. That approach was at the core of CASINO ROYALE, and I think it should be continued with BOND 22.

I am not proposing we forsake the gunbarrel, merely that we give it a contemporary veneer... either by keeping Kleinman's new visual aproach from CASINO ROYALE, or allowing him to do something else with it.

...and now I totally agree with you. If the change compliments/adds to movie whether as "story development" as in CR or as simply a well done update get on with it. They updated it before just never a dramatic update.

I agree with whomever suggested Craig's Bond not wear a tux but a suit. Might be nice.

I am curious now as just what Klienman(sp) might come up with.

One last point IMO the gunbarrel is not only nostalgic for us..."seasoned" Bond fans but also iconic to the cimenatic Bond. That's why I really want to see the film start with a gunbarrel.

[Mr. Somerset]

When I sit in the packed cinemas on opening day of Bond22 I want to hear a loud cheer from the audience as Craig struts his walk.

Has that happened when you've seen Bond films? I've never once heard a single cheer when the gunbarrel logo appears. I don't see how keeping the visual look of the CASINO ROYALE gunbarrel would keep that from happening, either.

In a newly conceived gunbarrel for a new Bond continuity , I'd want to hear a new arrangement of the most often-used gunbarrel music (i.e., not the TSWLM/TND/TWINE version).

Yeah. I quite agree. I want the Bond theme to be rocking the house, preferably with a good dose of retro-style. DAD was a failure at doing it, overladen with electronics and lacking in that easy coolness a gunbarrel cue should have. Bring back the bongos, baby!

I've heard loud cheers from AVTAK on. The Tim films didn't seem to have any, and the loudest were GE and DAD. None for TWINE opening night, though. Perhaps due to the subdued Bond theme? Also when I've seen re-issues there were cheers, particularly the Connery films. Craig, I'm sure will get his after his huge success in CR.
As for the CR visual design of the gunbarrel? I'm having second thoughts on that one. It might be cool to see it return for Bond22. With a solid black and white image of Craig in a three piece suit, the 3D blood (maybe not dripping, though), and a strong Bond theme, why not?

[Mr. Blofeld]

As for the CR visual design of the gunbarrel? I'm having second thoughts on that one. It might be cool to see it return for Bond22. With a solid black and white image of Craig in a three piece suit, the 3D blood (maybe not dripping, though), and a strong Bond theme, why not?

Sure! Just add a hat, and... by golly-gosh, I've just had a flashback to Bob Simmons!

Still, why not? If the trilby fits...

[Satorious]

I'd like a longer gunbarrel (find the current ones a tad too short).

If we must tinker with it:

- Keep the retro-style of Binder original with some grit and shadow depth rather than Kleinman's shiny CGI versions.

- I'd like to see the opening dots give off a slight trail behind them.

- Give the gunbarrel a slightly blueish tinge, just so it's less B+W/Grey looking.

- Open with the trumpet blasts, not with some naff TND/TWINE/TSWLM style. And whoever already said bring back the Bongos - five stars! I'd prefer something other than the Electric Guitar though. I wasn't a huge Goldeneye score fan - but I loved the Timpani drum opening - something cool and original like that would be great!

- The blood should fall slower than the CR version, more like the traditional versions. And please, ditch that 3D effect.

- Absolutely no CGI bullets please!

- Craig does a similarly slick twirl, with only one hand holding the gun. Firing the gun with two hands may be the proper way, but it just doesn't look as urgent or cool.

- Should open the film this time. There was just a little bit of magic missing in CR - because the anticipation of waiting in the dark for the gunbarrel opening wasn't there. It worked as a one off, but I don't think it need ever be done again.

Ah well, this is just a wish list afterall

[Mr. Blofeld]

May I add one to the wish list?

-Put the producers' credit in the scrolling dots, as in Dr. No and OHMSS.

[Harmsway]

If we must tinker with it:

You don't leave a lot of room for tinkering.

- Keep the retro-style of Binder original with some grit and shadow depth rather than Kleinman's shiny CGI versions.

Interestingly, Kleinman's concept gunbarrel for TOMORROW NEVER DIES (as seen in the theatrical trailer), didn't have the shiny effect.

That said, I adored the mirror effect in CASINO ROYALE and really want to see that return.

May I add one to the wish list?

-Put the producers' credit in the scrolling dots, as in Dr. No and OHMSS.

I'm not sure I like that. I think the text breaks up what should be pure image.

[coco1997]

I like the idea of a "bluish-tinge" to the gunbarrel. Here are my thoughts:

* Craig should be wearing the blue suit from the end of CR.

* His stride needs to be slower, more like Timothy Dalton's. Brosnan's was way too short.

* Same pose as the gunbarrel from CR.

* The blood should have more "trickles" than the usual blood (sort of like the blood from the CR gunbarrel) but not AS many as that one.

* How about after the gunbarrel view begins to limp down to the bottom of the screen, we actually see Craig walking towards the camera? It never made sense to me that Bond would stay in that same stationary pose as the gunbarrel just drooped off to the floor.

[HH007]

May I add one to the wish list?

-Put the producers' credit in the scrolling dots, as in Dr. No and OHMSS.

I'm not sure I like that. I think the text breaks up what should be pure image.

I don't like that either. I never liked that they put titles in the dots in those two movies. I think the dots should just move across the screen without being broken up like that.

[Harmsway]

* Craig should be wearing the blue suit from the end of CR.

I'd prefer Bond to be more casual. Open collar seems to suit Craig really well.

* Same pose as the gunbarrel from CR.

Craig's pose was perfect.

* How about after the gunbarrel view begins to limp down to the bottom of the screen, we actually see Craig walking towards the camera? It never made sense to me that Bond would stay in that same stationary pose as the gunbarrel just drooped off to the floor.

I think that's thinking about it too hard. It's not an actual event that's happening, just an entirely abstract image that's cool to look at.

[00Twelve]

What new ideas could we conceive about the music?

Me, as I said, I like the bongos. Let me just go ahead and make that clear.

Sartorious' idea about GE's timpani Bond riff isn't bad; I've hoped to hear that again at some point or another.

What if the music is different altogether? I could see them doing that. For instance, I could imagine there being no music as the dots roll across or while Bond's walking, but the trumpet blasts kick in on the gunshot...or, you know, something different. I like that LTK took a chance on really changing things up.

[Harmsway]

What new ideas could we conceive about the music?

Well, I think incorporating a hint of YKMN, like Rich Douglas did on his concept gunbarrel, is a fantastic idea.

Me, as I said, I like the bongos. Let me just go ahead and make that clear.

Seconded.

What if the music is different altogether? I could see them doing that. For instance, I could imagine there being no music as the dots roll across or while Bond's walking, but the trumpet blasts kick in on the gunshot...or, you know, something different. I like that LTK took a chance on really changing things up.

I agree. It would be nice to have something that was really unique in a LICENCE TO KILL sort of way. Maybe if they used a similar Bond theme cue to the one that opens the main title instrumental of FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE?

[Mr. Blofeld]

What if the music is different altogether? I could see them doing that. For instance, I could imagine there being no music as the dots roll across or while Bond's walking, but the trumpet blasts kick in on the gunshot...or, you know, something different.

Actually, that sounds a lot like the Dr. No gunbarrel, which had this weird whistling sound effect for the scrolling dots and the steps to the center, but once the gun fired, there was silence, then... WHAM! The James Bond theme kicks in with a vengeance.

How about something completely different, like putting the Monty Python theme into the gunbarrel?

[mcdonbb]

* Craig should be wearing the blue suit from the end of CR.

I'd prefer Bond to be more casual. Open collar seems to suit Craig really well.

* Same pose as the gunbarrel from CR.

Craig's pose was perfect.

* How about after the gunbarrel view begins to limp down to the bottom of the screen, we actually see Craig walking towards the camera? It never made sense to me that Bond would stay in that same stationary pose as the gunbarrel just drooped off to the floor.

I think that's thinking about it too hard. It's not an actual event that's happening, just an entirely abstract image that's cool to look at.

yeah I agree...starting to get a headache!

[Satorious]

If Kleinman only did one successful thing for the gun-barrels, it's giving them lighting/shadows - ala GE-DAD, CR. The only problem is I find the gunbarrel's themselves look a bit too perfect/shiny. They could do with a bit more grime and dirt to give them some depth (I wasn't really a massive fan of his red TND trailer gun-barrel, but I appreciate the attempt - his CR effort was considerably better).

Oh, I agree Craig's final pose in CR was near-perfect. I really hope he keeps that stature again. I'm not fussed about the tux, I'd prefer a suit, but either would do. The trilby, well, it would be an interesting addition but I can't say I'm convinced it would work outside of the 60's.

It would be nice if the gunbarrel music matched Bond's locale in the film (eg. Japan/YOLT) - hence my timpani/tribal drum revival.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Oh, I agree Craig's final pose in CR was near-perfect. I really hope he keeps that stature again. I'm not fussed about the tux, I'd prefer a suit, but either would do. The trilby, well, it would be an interesting addition but I can't say I'm convinced it would work outside of the 60's.

I hear it's experiencing a revival; now would be the perfect time to set Bond up for a date with Destiny... and a trip to a haberdashery.

It would be nice if the gunbarrel music matched Bond's locale in the film (eg. Japan/YOLT) - hence my timpani/tribal drum revival.

Well, the next film is going to have some major action sequences set in Switzerland; perhaps a glockenspiel/zither version?

[ArlingtonBeech]

I think the way they handled the gun barrell sequence in Casino Royale was pure genius. It fit well with their introduction of James Bond...or the "new" James Bond...however you prefer to view it. If they can come up with something similar for the next movie I suppose I'd be OK with it. However, there is a tradition that has been established and, as someone said earlier refering to the strolling tux version,
"he's earned it. Either way I'd be OK with it. You know all of the actors had a different "shot" if you will, anyway...so I think to say that all the gun barrell scenes were the same would not be an accurate statement.

[Mr. Blofeld]

You know all of the actors had a different "shot" if you will, anyway...so I think to say that all the gun barrell scenes were the same would not be an accurate statement.

I agree; each is unique, as each gunman brings some of his personality into the barrel with him.

[Harmsway]

They could do with a bit more grime and dirt to give them some depth (I wasn't really a massive fan of his red TND trailer gun-barrel, but I appreciate the attempt - his CR effort was considerably better).

If the one you're thinking of is red, we're talking about two different gunbarrels. The red one wasn't Kleinman's concept, it was just a graphic for the teaser trailer (though admittedly I liked it a lot and would be willing to see something similar, though probably not in the color of red).

The one that I and 00Twelve are talking about is in the TND theatrical trailer. It's silver, and avoids the dots all together. We start out looking at a silver gun, fly into it, and Bond shoots. It's right here (at 00:34):

[00Twelve]

Yes, sorry, I had said "teaser," but really meant the final trailer.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Ah.

Well, any more ideas? Comments?

[coco1997]

I don't think there's much more that can be said on the topic...UNLESS you want to go more in-depth about what style of music you'd like to hear. I've made a lot of pretty interesting gunbarrels, if I may say so myself, and put them up on Youtube. My account name there is "LuiECuomo."

http://youtube.com/r...p;search=Search

[Mr. Blofeld]

Oh, so you're LuiECuomo! Goodness, I watch your videos all the time; even have a couple of them up on my Favorites list! Great stuff, I must say! By the way: over there, my account name is blofeld37.

Goodness, I had no idea...

Edited by Mr. Blofeld, 19 October 2007 - 09:53 PM.

[coco1997]

Yep, that's me! I'm glad you enjoy my work. I'm always uploading more videos at least once or twice a month, so be on the lookout!

BTW, any requests, Mr. Blofeld?

[Mr. Blofeld]

Erm... perhaps the Casino Royale titles with OHMSS dubbed in?

Just a quick mention: I really like what you did with all of your alternate-music title sequences. Great stuff.

[Mr. Blofeld]

I'm bringing this back up to move the loveknot gunbarrel discussion back here. Mods, please merge.

[Harry Fawkes]

Traditional gunbarrel sequence please. Stop trying to change something that is good. If people want change so much why don't they just make another spy movie? Why is it always change this, modernise this, modernise that. Geez, the change for Casino Royal was ok. It was a one off. I forgive them for it cause it suited the film but enough now. I want the Bond I know so well and has done so well. Want to experiment. Go make something new like they did with True Lies. Bond has lasted so long because they kept the fundamental ingredients inside which is what made the people go back for more. After 40 years of success surely they know what works and what doesn't. If its not broken don't try to fix it. Gunbarrel sequence in or this Bond fan'll resign. Nuff said.

Harry Fawkes MRQ

[Licence_007]

I think they should revert to the traditional gun barrel. After all, it works, it is iconic and there are only so many spins you can put on the gun barrel before it'll feel cheap and silly.

[Harry Fawkes]

I think they should revert to the traditional gun barrel. After all, it works, it is iconic and there are only so many spins you can put on the gun barrel before it'll feel cheap and silly.

Well said!

Harry

[swanseaboi2005]

I would love to see the gunbarrel sequence at the end of the PTS like they did in Casino Royale. I really liked the idea of having the Bond theme at the end of the film.