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[JackWade]

I'd love to see more gunbarrels that are actually integrated into the story, not just something set aside to mark the beginning of the film.

Gimme more of what we got with Casino Royale. Not only was it incredibly cool but it actually meant something, which is something I'd like to see more of.

[Harmsway]

I re read most of the posts and I have to say is why change for the sake of change.

To keep things fresh and interesting.

but why change? DAD's gunbarrel was overdone so just revert back...

DAD's gunbarrel didn't work not because there was change, but just because the change was poor. But change, as the design of CR's gunbarrel, can be fantastic and refreshing.

(and oh yeah after seeing CR who knew all those years that the sequence occurred in a bathroom!)

It doesn't. CASINO ROYALE does not present the story behind the gunbarrel. Rather, the gunbarrel is there as a symbol to signify Bond's arrival as a Double-O.

[Royal Dalton]

Yeah, well, they should just go back to the original. They've had their fun now. No need for any more gimmicks.

[Harmsway]

Yeah, well, they should just go back to the original. They've had their fun now. No need for any more gimmicks.

I don't see how updating the gunbarrel is a gimmick. It would be an evolution of the iconic image, not a little one-off wink for one film.

[mcdonbb]

I re read most of the posts and I have to say is why change for the sake of change.

To keep things fresh and interesting.
...as long as the change itself is fresh and interesting

but why change? DAD's gunbarrel was overdone so just revert back...

DAD's gunbarrel didn't work not because there was change, but just because the change was poor. But change, as the design of CR's gunbarrel, can be fantastic and refreshing.
I agree

(and oh yeah after seeing CR who knew all those years that the sequence occurred in a bathroom!)

It doesn't. CASINO ROYALE does not present the story behind the gunbarrel. Rather, the gunbarrel is there as a symbol to signify Bond's arrival as a Double-O.

that was a joke...I thought that to be obvious.

[Renard]

I'd love to see more gunbarrels that are actually integrated into the story, not just something set aside to mark the beginning of the film.

Gimme more of what we got with Casino Royale. Not only was it incredibly cool but it actually meant something, which is something I'd like to see more of.

I re read most of the posts and I have to say is why change for the sake of change.

To keep things fresh and interesting.

but why change? DAD's gunbarrel was overdone so just revert back...

DAD's gunbarrel didn't work not because there was change, but just because the change was poor. But change, as the design of CR's gunbarrel, can be fantastic and refreshing.

(and oh yeah after seeing CR who knew all those years that the sequence occurred in a bathroom!)

It doesn't. CASINO ROYALE does not present the story behind the gunbarrel. Rather, the gunbarrel is there as a symbol to signify Bond's arrival as a Double-O.

Absolutely agree with you guys! And as far as the series have gone now with CR, and it's sequel (Bond 22), I think they will keep the CR gunbarrel style for sure. They are just going to find another interesting situation where Bond find a way to shoot somebody. And this is going to be the next big question for the future: where will Bond shoot somebody next, which location can this be,.... maybe in the mountains, in front of a rock wall fully covered with snow ? (white background for gunbarrel)

I think we have to wait for Bond 23 to have a totally different new gunbarrel, with a totally new plotline, but not in this sequel circle with bond 21 & bond 22. IMO!

[Simon]

With the last film having made such long strong strides to move away from the accepted norm of before, I think if the very first image they put out at the beginning of the new film is the old gun barrel, that this will be sending out the wrong message entirely.

The 'new' was so positively received that they should either find new ways to integrate the Craig gun barrel into new scenarios or to design something else again.

The only aspect I think they should retain is 'a' gun barrel of some sort.

[Harmsway]

With the last film having made such long strong strides to move away from the accepted norm of before, I think if the very first image they put out at the beginning of the new film is the old gun barrel, that this will be sending out the wrong message entirely.

The 'new' was so positively received that they should either find new ways to integrate the Craig gun barrel into new scenarios or to design something else again.

The only aspect I think they should retain is 'a' gun barrel of some sort.

Entirely agreed.

[ACE]

Really? I love it if they just did a simple stride-along-and-fire gunbarrel a la all the previous Bonds. It would be nice.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Perhaps a stride-along-and-fire using the Casino Royale rifling?

Either way, the gunbarrel has been established: Let Craig have his turn.

[Mr. Somerset]

Perhaps a stride-along-and-fire using the Casino Royale rifling?

Either way, the gunbarrel has been established: Let Craig have his turn.

Well said.
When I sit in the packed cinemas on opening day of Bond22 I want to hear a loud cheer from the audience as Craig struts his walk. There's nothing like the rush that comes from those opening "dot" chords, the enlargement of the final dot into the gunbarrel (which, btw, was missing in the Brosnan films..they segued all the way across the screen), and our hero taking those steps.
As much as I love CR, I only heard one "whoo" opening night as he fired the gun.
The Dan-Man has earned and well deserves that iconic moment!

[HH007]

Perhaps a stride-along-and-fire using the Casino Royale rifling?

Either way, the gunbarrel has been established: Let Craig have his turn.

Agreed.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Well, if we're all in agreement, what version of the Bond theme would you use?

[00Twelve]

In a newly conceived gunbarrel for a new Bond continuity , I'd want to hear a new arrangement of the most often-used gunbarrel music (i.e., not the TSWLM/TND/TWINE version). And I'd want far less beats than from the DAD gunbarrel.

[Mr. Somerset]

Well, if we're all in agreement, what version of the Bond theme would you use?

I would keep a John Barry style gunbarrel arrangement, yet Bond22-ize it a bit so it has it's own distictive stamp. For example, Moonraker's is quite different from say, FRWL, yet not altered in the way of TSWLM's or TND's.
I loved LALD's version as well, it's so distinctively from that particluar movie.
What's interesting to me is how Barry used the guitar plucked sound for the Connery films, and gave Moore strings. Violin, perhaps? The Lazenby GB sound was different as well, and great! Arnold should give Craig some particular instrumental sound to his Bond theme.

[coco1997]

How about piano or sax playing the melody?

[Mr. Blofeld]

How about piano or sax playing the melody?

It might sound a bit too much like the Pink Panther theme.

Perhaps a combination of guitar and strings? It'd be like a hybrid Moore-Connery gunbarrel.

[coco1997]

Well, the combination of guitar and strings was used in the LTK gunbarrel, if you remember.

[Royal Dalton]

How about the harmonica?

[00Twelve]

Seriously, whether it's in a gunbarrel sequence or just in the film somewhere, I'd like to hear the bongos again on the Bond theme, rather than synthesized beats. Worked wonders at the end of CR.

[Harmsway]

When I sit in the packed cinemas on opening day of Bond22 I want to hear a loud cheer from the audience as Craig struts his walk.

Has that happened when you've seen Bond films? I've never once heard a single cheer when the gunbarrel logo appears. I don't see how keeping the visual look of the CASINO ROYALE gunbarrel would keep that from happening, either.

In a newly conceived gunbarrel for a new Bond continuity , I'd want to hear a new arrangement of the most often-used gunbarrel music (i.e., not the TSWLM/TND/TWINE version).

Yeah. I quite agree. I want the Bond theme to be rocking the house, preferably with a good dose of retro-style. DAD was a failure at doing it, overladen with electronics and lacking in that easy coolness a gunbarrel cue should have. Bring back the bongos, baby!

[Renard]

BONGOS! That's the word!

[Skudor]

Why not film it so that the camer pans down and enters the villains gun from behind, we then see Bond through the gun barrel. Make it all very obvious.

Or just re-use the one from Dr No, music and all.

[mcdonbb]

Perhaps a stride-along-and-fire using the Casino Royale rifling?

Either way, the gunbarrel has been established: Let Craig have his turn.

Well said.
When I sit in the packed cinemas on opening day of Bond22 I want to hear a loud cheer from the audience as Craig struts his walk. There's nothing like the rush that comes from those opening "dot" chords, the enlargement of the final dot into the gunbarrel (which, btw, was missing in the Brosnan films..they segued all the way across the screen), and our hero taking those steps.
As much as I love CR, I only heard one "whoo" opening night as he fired the gun.
The Dan-Man has earned and well deserves that iconic moment!

I love the "new" but part of the joy of Bond is the nostalgia. The purpose of placement of CR's gunbarrel was perfect for that film. As several as said Craig has earned the gunbarrel. I agree as I said much earlier I want the traditional gunbarrel. Now should it be the one from CR or one like the Brosnan film's...no opinion really. Would the CR gunbarrel stand up? or simply match the film? is too over done to open a film? dont know...just want my gunbarrel!

[mrsbonds_ppk]

I wanna see a traditional gunbarrel, but Craig doesn't have to wear a tux.

[Qwerty]

Or just re-use the one from Dr No, music and all.

That would certainly be something different.

[Harmsway]

I love the "new" but part of the joy of Bond is the nostalgia.

Yes, but I think now the nostalgic elements should be presented with a contemporary twist. That approach was at the core of CASINO ROYALE, and I think it should be continued with BOND 22.

I am not proposing we forsake the gunbarrel, merely that we give it a contemporary veneer... either by keeping Kleinman's new visual aproach from CASINO ROYALE, or allowing him to do something else with it.

[Mr. Blofeld]

I wanna see a traditional gunbarrel, but Craig doesn't have to wear a tux.

Perhaps a business suit and trilby, like that which was worn from 1962-1971? It could work...

[Blonde Bond]

I cant think of a way they could insert the gun barrel before every main title sequence after Casino Royale. That would mean there'd be shooting at the start of every Bond movie.

Either revert back to the classical use of the gun barrel or don't use it at all. But I'm all in for Craig doing the walk, or just doing his 190

[Simon]

I love the "new" but part of the joy of Bond is the nostalgia.

I really feel the Craig era is not going to be remembered for its nostalgia, especially following CR's reception.

Indeed, the success of CR should give its makers the confidence to do the same again, and mess with it all still further. Their technicians, read - Kleinman, will do a superlative job with a remit like this and I really look forward to 'more of the different.'