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[Odd Job]

I'm all for Daniel Kleinman updating the gunbarrel sequence a little. As long as the first thing we see are the dots moving across the screen and then Daniel doing the walk and turning to fire at the gun. Part of the great attraction to the Bond films for me is the tradition, and it doesn't get any more traditional than the 'Gunbarrel Sequence' (except maybe "the name's Bond, James Bond" of course).

[Mr. Blofeld]

David Arnold is doing the music for Bond 22 but I would like to see him do a fresh twist on the gunbarrel music. Just as long as the visuals are traditional.

Nothing like Die Another Day or GoldenEye, I hope!

You know, I think it'd be nice to hear the electric guitar in a gunbarrel for the first time since 1989; anyone else?

As for the barrel itself, Odd Job, it'd be nice to go traditional, but I'd go all out, have the whole bit with the producers' credit in the dot and Craig wearing the trilby and whatnot; I think it'd be quite fun.

Edited by Mr. Blofeld, 15 October 2007 - 03:30 AM.

[Harmsway]

David Arnold is doing the music for Bond 22 but I would like to see him do a fresh twist on the gunbarrel music. Just as long as the visuals are traditional.

Nothing like Die Another Day or GoldenEye, I hope!

I think the GOLDENEYE gunbarrel music is one of the best. The rest of the score is mediocre, but the gunbarrel cue couldn't be cooler.

[Mr. Blofeld]

I think the GOLDENEYE gunbarrel music is one of the best. The rest of the score is mediocre, but the gunbarrel cue couldn't be cooler.

All right, then; personally, I rather like Live and Let Die's gunbarrel theme.

[DaveBond21]

I think the GOLDENEYE gunbarrel music is one of the best. The rest of the score is mediocre, but the gunbarrel cue couldn't be cooler.

All right, then; personally, I rather like Live and Let Die's gunbarrel theme.

Actually, yes, the LALD one is really good, isn't it?

[Mr. Blofeld]

Actually, yes, the LALD one is really good, isn't it?

Yes, rather; the way it's played has a nice sort of foreboding to it, exactly the way a gunbarrel theme should be.

[K1Bond007]

I always thought a side stance would be kind of cool if the actor could pull it off. Essentially.. every gun barrel has Bond do this 90 degree turn (save for CR which is 180). In effect as Bond gets to the middle he reaches quickly inside his suit jacket, pulls the Walther, squeezes a round at the camera, then turns to look in a cool and confident manner. It would happen really quick, but the icing on the cake is Bond's quick look after the shot as the frame essentially freezes, the blood pours, and the gun barrel erratically falls as usual.

I mean if I was shooting the sequence I'd have Craig try a variety of unique stances, this being the first, until I found a good one.

Bond wearing a hat would be sweet too, but unfortunately, I don't think that would work considering it's no longer in style. I always thought Lazenby's would be a good one to redo except in the remake of it, I'd have the actor take off the hat as he swung around to the knee. I don't know how that one would look either.. maybe silly.. or too much like a trick shot, which would not be desirable.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Nice idea about the look-and-shoot, but I think it might be a bit too awkward for audiences, sort of like Dalton's original gunbarrel for TLD (in which he leapt across the screen for the shot).

As for the trilby, the Lazenby barrel might be good to redo, but, for Craig, I'd have him slip the hat on as the barrel widens: It'd be sort of like he's truly taken up the mantle of Bond after all of these years.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

Nothing like Die Another Day or GoldenEye, I hope!

All right, then; personally, I rather like Live and Let Die's gunbarrel theme. cool.gif

I like LALD's also, but wasn't the guitar twanging in Die Another Day reminiscent to that in LALD? I think so. In fact I think DAD's gun barrel is great, it just has too match of Arnold's percussion samples blaring in the background.

[MarcAngeDraco]

Two words: Old School

[Mr. Blofeld]

Two words: Old School

Yes, I hope so...

[MkB]

Guys, to be true, I'm a slightly startled: I had never noticed the gunbarrel sequence was so different from a movie to another (well, from an actor to another, OK, I had the point )
Anyway, this sequence looks definitely cool and more complex than I thought at first sight, I will pay more attention...

[Mr. Blofeld]

Anyway, this sequence looks definitely cool and more complex than I thought at first sight, I will pay more attention...

And, in the case of OHMSS, it provides a good jumping-off point for the new Bond: He fires wearing the trilby, but then when we first see him in the film he's wearing the trilby again, so it's almost as if it's in chronological order.

Kudos to Peter Hunt, I must say.

Edited by Mr. Blofeld, 15 October 2007 - 01:06 PM.

[00Twelve]

Just take the one they used from 1977 to 1989, and create a CG version.

Isn't that what they did from 1995 to 2002, though?

Personally, I hope it takes most of its' style from the original Binder gunbarrel.

I'm afraid I just don't understand what some mean when they say they'd rather have the gunbarrel look like Binder's, rather than the Brosnan version.

As soon as the barrel stops when Broz fires, it's identical to the old gunbarrel design. The only difference at all is that Bond's reflection actually moves with the gunbarrel until it stops. They didn't have the technology to do that back in the day, so it looked like a freeze-frame photograph of a gunbarrel (because that's what it was).

The Broz version was the same thing; it just reflected Bond as he moved, then was the exact same gunbarrel when it stopped moving.



Anyway, I'm with Harms on this. If the gunbarrels are to continue, I'd be interested to see some new concepts from Kleinman. I remember that TND teaser, and I loved it. Right down to Broz doing the old Rog two-hands-on-the-gun pose.

[DamnCoffee]

Anyway, this sequence looks definitely cool and more complex than I thought at first sight, I will pay more attention...

And, in the case of OHMSS, it provides a good jumping-off point for the new Bond: He fires wearing the trilby, but then when we first see him in the film he's wearing the trilby again, so it's almost as if it's in chronological order.

Kudos to Peter Hunt, I must say.

The only problem I had for the [film=99]On Her Majesty

[Hotwinds]

If there is one thing that should not change it is the opening.
Update it and keep it straightforward.
I have to admit I missed it in Casino and did not like how they inserted it.

Moderators, if this belongs in the spoilers forum, feel free to redirect.

Now, as we all know, Casino Royale introduced an entirely new and different gunbarrel scene to the Bond lore, having it take place in an actual location and not having Craig strut across the screen and whatnot.

My question is, how would you like the gunbarrel sequence in Bond 22 to play out?

Personally, I'd like to have the scrolling dots, but stop in the middle to reveal MICHAEL G. WILSON & BARABRA BROCCOLI PRESENT like in the gunbarrels for Dr. No and OHMSS; it'd be a nice little throwback. The dots would then continue to the edge of the screen, the circle would widen, and Craig, as he puts on the familiar trilby, would stride across that wide backdrop in a menacing fashion, then BANG! The CG blood would then drip down, darken the hole, and we'd open up into the first scene of Bond 22.

Also, I'd have the Bond theme sort of segue from the Columbia logo, by having the dying notes of the Columbia theme linger for a few seconds in darkness, then suddenly transform into the brassy middle section of the Bond theme as the dots begin. It'd be sort of cool, I think.

So, what are your ideas? Any suggestions?

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

I would like a classic gunbarrel.

[Harmsway]

I'm afraid I just don't understand what some mean when they say they'd rather have the gunbarrel look like Binder's, rather than the Brosnan version.

As soon as the barrel stops when Broz fires, it's identical to the old gunbarrel design. The only difference at all is that Bond's reflection actually moves with the gunbarrel until it stops. They didn't have the technology to do that back in the day, so it looked like a freeze-frame photograph of a gunbarrel (because that's what it was).

The Broz version was the same thing; it just reflected Bond as he moved, then was the exact same gunbarrel when it stopped moving.

Yeah, I'm with ya. I don't quite get it.

Anyway, I'm with Harms on this. If the gunbarrels are to continue, I'd be interested to see some new concepts from Kleinman. I remember that TND teaser, and I loved it. Right down to Broz doing the old Rog two-hands-on-the-gun pose.

Glad to see you're on board, 00Twelve. Bring on the experimentation, I say!

And I loved the concept TND trailer pose. It was so much better than the rigid and somewhat awkward pose we had in the actual gunbarrel.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Perhaps we'll finally get the leaping Bond so long delayed us since The Living Daylights?

[Mr. Somerset]

I say keep the tradition alive and have Kleinman go with the traditional Binder style gunbarrel logo. This is a Bond ritual that is expected every time, and when it's tampered with, it loses the Bond film feel. Let's not have the late great Mr. Binder spinning in his grave shall we?
As for Craig's attire? I like the three piece suit idea and of the contemporary Bonds, he probably could pull off a trilby in fashion or out. Still, the moment must be intact: dots, walk, fire, blood and music. If Kleinman does continue to change it, perhaps make the image black and white, like the early films and CR and brighten the red. The design was fine for CR, but I'd go back to the earlier style. It should be Craig who puts his own stamp on the sequence.

[DaveBond21]

I say keep the tradition alive and have Kleinman go with the traditional Binder style gunbarrel logo. This is a Bond ritual that is expected every time, and when it's tampered with, it loses the Bond film feel. Let's not have the late great Mr. Binder spinning in his grave shall we?
As for Craig's attire? I like the three piece suit idea and of the contemporary Bonds, he probably could pull off a trilby in fashion or out. Still, the moment must be intact: dots, walk, fire, blood and music. If Kleinman does continue to change it, perhaps make the image black and white, like the early films and CR and brighten the red. The design was fine for CR, but I'd go back to the earlier style. It should be Craig who puts his own stamp on the sequence.

Good post...


Also, as well as the LALD gunbarrel, I also thought there was a sense of foreboding in the LTK one.

And call me mad, but I actually don't mind the breakbeats on the Die Another Day gunbarrel.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Also, as well as the LALD gunbarrel, I also thought there was a sense of foreboding in the LTK one.

And call me mad, but I actually don't mind the breakbeats on the Die Another Day gunbarrel.

You're mad.

I'd like to bring up another gunbarrel: TSWLM's. The so-called "mysterious violins" backing up the scrolling dots brings to mind a certain sense of anticipation all Bond films should have.

[DaveBond21]

Also, as well as the LALD gunbarrel, I also thought there was a sense of foreboding in the LTK one.

And call me mad, but I actually don't mind the breakbeats on the Die Another Day gunbarrel.

You're mad.

I'd like to bring up another gunbarrel: TSWLM's. The so-called "mysterious violins" backing up the scrolling dots brings to mind a certain sense of anticipation all Bond films should have.

LOL. Yes, and with TSWLM we all know what is going to come - one of the best sequences of any Bond film.

[Harmsway]

This is a Bond ritual that is expected every time, and when it's tampered with, it loses the Bond film feel.

I disagree. CASINO ROYALE had some crazy tampering with that bit, and it felt more like a Bond film to me than most of them. CASINO ROYALE featured some wonderful tampering, and I don't want that to be a one-film thing. I want EON to continually be tampering with the more formulaic elements of Bond.

Let's not have the late great Mr. Binder spinning in his grave shall we?

I doubt he'd mind. Besides, he's not that great, anyhow.

[Mr. Blofeld]

LOL. Yes, and with TSWLM we all know what is going to come - one of the best sequences of any Bond film.

So should it be with Bond 22.

If anything, a great gunbarrel needs to segue well into a great PTS; just look at AVTAK, which had a pretty neat, fast-paced orchestral rendition of the Bond theme paired with one of the dumbest PTS's since Sean Connery dumped Blofeld in the mud bath. Just, hideous...

I doubt he'd mind. Besides, he's not that great, anyhow.

Well, I suppose you're right, seeing as how it was Robert Brownjohn and Peter Hunt, not Maurice Binder, who helped set the opening gunbarrel for every film after FRWL.

Edited by Mr. Blofeld, 16 October 2007 - 01:35 AM.

[Blonde Bond]

ps. Who else thinks Daniel should wear his three piece suit in the gunbarrel and fire his machine gun.

Only if we would see bullet holes emerge in the camera and hear the falling effect caused by the falling shot-to-pieces camera operator.

[Daddy Bond]

I've heard that the Bond 22 is suppose to take place directly where Casino Royale ended, so if they do recreate the gun barrel sequence again, we could see Bond shooting Mr. White in that gun barrel style.

I think I wouild go with this suggestion. How about the dots head across the screen stopping on Craig's back, where he's standing over Mr. White (as at the end of CR), Craig whips around shoots down the gunbarrel - which turns out to be one Mr. White's henchmen (that we didn't see at the end of CR), the camera then pans straight at Craig's face (for a close up) with a widening circle (like the old circle widening into the PTS's first scene).

Then with a smirk on his face Craig could say, "Guess I missed one".

Then cut to show the henchmen falling to the ground.

Camera cuts back to the SAME angle as at the end of CR, Bond whips back around to face Mr. White and says, "And now for you Mr. White..."

[mcdonbb]

I re read most of the posts and I have to say is why change for the sake of change. It worked in CR although before I saw the film I was very apprehensive and disappointed.

but now I see the point and for me it worked...for that movie.

but why change? DAD's gunbarrel was overdone so just revert back...

anyone agree?

(and oh yeah after seeing CR who knew all those years that the sequence occurred in a bathroom!)

[RedKelly]

I'd like to have bright white dots moving across the screen while hearing a loud and up tempo Bond theme then we see Bond come across the screen with the gunbarrel from CR or a new design then Bond shoots and the Blood comes down in the version on CR that was really cool but once he shoots the theme changes to the climax of the song bum bum, bum baahh, bum bumm bahhhhh,.

[Robinson]

My only preference is that Craig wear a suit this time around. If this is to be a supposed trilogy like Campbell said it was, Craig can wear the tux for Bond 23.