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[hugo]

Course he was gay, he went to Eton didn't he? He had blonde curley hair didn't he? He worked in MI6 didn't he? He was camper than Larry Grayson wasn't he? And as effeminate as Lorraine Kelly.

As for 'sweeping generalisations' what other kinds of generalisations can you get? Mopping ones?

[Zorin Industries]

I'm not going to start outing authors or actors here, but gay men can write and deliver performances about all sorts of things to do with women that any straight man can do too.

Perhaps, but if this is the case then Fleming had a genius for making it look like he felt it!

Gay men don't always want nor need to discuss women from an adulatory perspective. Gore Vidal, Truman Capote, Clive Barker, Alan Bennett and Tennesse Williams all seem to be quite able to discuss female sexuality with no bother. And actors such as Montgomery Clift, Rock Hudson, James Dean and Richard Chamberlain (to name an obvious few...) all seemed to portray men that wanted and could get women with no bother.

Not so sure about that, none of these men looked like they were drooling over women, though they were all good looking enough to have women drooling over them.

I get your point though. But be wary of sweeping generalisations.... ;o)

Well to be strictly fair, I wasn't generalising so much as trying to show how we in the 21st century generalise. Any writer today trying to show a fully fuelled testosterone filled to the brim hetrosexual male would probably not give him the 'eccentric' traits that we as a society mistakenly perhaps associate with gay men. Though of course the opposite is often done in humour like Seinfeld who is known to be neat, obsessively organised and tidy and wears his jumpers tucked into his high wasted jeans and has a rack of Liza Minnelli records!!! (actually I made that last bit up for comic effect). In the 50's I think society and those NOT in the know, assumed all gay men looked like Quentin Crisp.

Now can I really throw the Persian white cat into the John Glen pigeons by mentioning that Ben Daniels who played Ian Fleming in the recent BBC drama about him is a gayer....(!!).

ZI

You can if you like but what has that got to do with the price of a good rolex?? !! (or a bad one for that matter)

It doesn't. It was just a mistaken case of irony. It won't happen again. I know some Bond fans can't cope with such hidden sarcasm...

Not that I include you in that MsMinniespinney... Thanks for your response...

[dodge]

Course he was gay, he went to Eton didn't he? He had blonde curley hair didn't he? He worked in MI6 didn't he? He was camper than Larry Grayson wasn't he? And as effeminate as Lorraine Kelly.

As for 'sweeping generalisations' what other kinds of generalisations can you get? Mopping ones?

But so did Lord Byron--and he boxed and swam!

[Santa]

But so did Lord Byron--and he boxed and swam!

And happily slept with anything on offer, man or woman, two legs or four.

[dodge]

But so did Lord Byron--and he boxed and swam!

And happily slept with anything on offer, man or woman, two legs or four.

'deed he did, the rascal. Ladies' man, 'man's man'...and boy's man.

[Mr Malcolm]

But so did Lord Byron--and he boxed and swam!

And happily slept with anything on offer, man or woman, two legs or four.

'deed he did, the rascal. Ladies' man, 'man's man'...and boy's man.

Maybe, like Ali G's Uncle Jamal, he was trisexual? (He'll try anything.)

Fleming being gay? I'd have to say no, but I could see how th scene And Let Die with Bond, Felix and the inflateable pineapple might have caused some doubt.

Edited by Mr Malcolm, 19 July 2007 - 05:13 PM.

[blackjack60]

Could we perhaps wrap up this thread by simply stating that anyone who's read either of Fleming's biographies would know that Fleming was quite obviously a raging heterosexual, and that any attempt to say otherwise is made in ignorance of the facts?

Edited by blackjack60, 30 July 2007 - 08:54 AM.

[Piz Gloria 1969]

quote : Ali G's Uncle Jamal

Ali sez : "RESPECT !"

LMFAO !!!!!!!!

JB is a boring name...couldn't he have named him Rod Munch huh ?

[mccartney007]

I'm a firm believer that almost no one is completely one way or the other when it comes to sexuality. Most people are attracted to beauty in one form or another and I am pretty confident in stating that men know when another man is "beautiful" just as well as he knows a woman is "beautiful". Obviously the level in which people are attracted to other people varies -- as does their willingness to act on said attraction.

I've heard a lot of stories from male acquaintances who's first experience (and often times not their last experience) with intimacy was with a male friend or a group of male friends or even their brothers. That's what you'd call homosexual behavior, but that doesn't necessarily make those who participated in said act homosexuals.

There are tons of guys out there who sleep with other guys even though they usually sleep with and date women. Just because they have a homosexual experience here and there doesn't automatically make them gay just as sleeping with women doesn't make them automatically straight.

If forced to sleep with someone and your only two choices are a really heinous woman or a really attractive guy, who would you pick? Gay sex certainly isn't that much different from straight sex and it obviously ends with the same result.

One's sexuality isn't as black and white as most people make it out to be. Ian Fleming was more or less straight, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a "gay encounter" at some point in his life.

I now anxiously await the inevitable influx of posts from people claiming they are 100% straight at which point I will smile to myself and sarcastically say "Well, of course you are!"

[RazorBlade]

And let's not forget that Richard Chamberlain played Jason Bourne. And was better than Matt Damon.

[Judo chop]

If forced to sleep with someone and your only two choices are a really heinous woman or a really attractive guy, who would you pick?

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[dodge]

And let's not forget that Richard Chamberlain played Jason Bourne. And was better than Matt Damon.

You know, it's been a while since I've seen RC's version, but I really do recall it as being ripsnorting entertainment. Easy to see why RC was king of the miniseries.

[mccartney007]

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[EL7]

Haven't we all...

Yes of course and since we all coming out I'd just like to say....




ummm, oops! NEVERMIND.

[Blofeld's Cat]

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[Jim]

If forced to sleep with someone and your only two choices are a really heinous woman or a really attractive guy, who would you pick? Gay sex certainly isn't that much different from straight sex and it obviously ends with the same result.

Babies?

Anyway, any hole for a pole. It's only sex. If one is lucky to find human intimate contact then that's the achievement, no matter who it is with.

[Zorin Industries]

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[mccartney007]

If forced to sleep with someone and your only two choices are a really heinous woman or a really attractive guy, who would you pick? Gay sex certainly isn't that much different from straight sex and it obviously ends with the same result.

Babies?

Have you never seen JUNIOR?! Oh, sorry, Arnold doesn't have sex to get pregnant in that one.

I was thinking more on the not-for-procreation side of things.

That's what all straight men tell themselves... I don't know why we have to have all this fuss about men doing to men what straight men want to do to their women, but are not always allowed....

I won't mention any names, but... it's the Bible. Whoops! Messed that one up.

[mccartney007]

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[Zorin Industries]

If forced to sleep with someone and your only two choices are a really heinous woman or a really attractive guy, who would you pick? Gay sex certainly isn't that much different from straight sex and it obviously ends with the same result.

Babies?

Have you never seen JUNIOR?! Oh, sorry, Arnold doesn't have sex to get pregnant in that one.

I was thinking more on the not-for-procreation side of things.

That's what all straight men tell themselves... I don't know why we have to have all this fuss about men doing to men what straight men want to do to their women, but are not always allowed....

I won't mention any names, but... it's the Bible. Whoops! Messed that one up.

Oh - of course...The Bible! Yes, I forgot that lascivious and godly tome that was nothing but a way of telling complete strangers what to do in bed whilst those in charge were sleeping with all sorts and in all sorts of ways.

Apologies McCartney007, but it takes more than a book someone else has ghostwritten centuries ago to tell me what to do in the sack. And why anyone in the 21 Century leads their life according to medieval hypocrisy is frankly beyond me.

[Santa]

what straight men want to do to their women, but are not always allowed....

This came as something of a surprise to me. When you're growing up, you're always warned as a girl that men will constantly be trying to get into your knickers. No-one ever warned me they'd constantly be trying to go in the back way.

[Judo chop]

Oh - of course...The Bible! Yes, I forgot that lascivious and godly tome that was nothing but a way of telling complete strangers what to do in bed whilst those in charge were sleeping with all sorts and in all sorts of ways.

Apologies McCartney007, but it takes more than a book someone else has ghostwritten centuries ago to tell me what to do in the sack. And why anyone in the 21 Century leads their life according to medieval hypocrisy is frankly beyond me.

Oh Zorin

[yolt13]

Let me join in with a late but still appropriate, "Oh, for pity's sake!"

[Matt Helm]

As for the original question, maybe Ian Fleming was a creative pen name for the real author "Iam Flaming"?

As for the more recent question in regards to the heinous woman or the beautiful man... what ever happened to self gratification as an option?

Now for the real question... Why did I waste my time and read this thread?

We are all just way too fascinated with creating fantasy scenerios to expand our enjoyment on anything and everything. When Oliver Stone directs the Life and Conquests of Ian Fleming, we may all get our answer. But until then, think whatever you want, just make sure that it heightens your enjoyment of the works and it does not detract from it.

[mccartney007]

As for the more recent question in regards to the heinous woman or the beautiful man... what ever happened to self gratification as an option?

It wasn't an option.

[Jim]

what straight men want to do to their women, but are not always allowed....

This came as something of a surprise to me. When you're growing up, you're always warned as a girl that men will constantly be trying to get into your knickers. No-one ever warned me they'd constantly be trying to go in the back way.

Quote of the year.

[dee-bee-five]

If forced to sleep with someone and your only two choices are a really heinous woman or a really attractive guy, who would you pick? Gay sex certainly isn't that much different from straight sex and it obviously ends with the same result.

Babies?

Have you never seen JUNIOR?! Oh, sorry, Arnold doesn't have sex to get pregnant in that one.

I was thinking more on the not-for-procreation side of things.

That's what all straight men tell themselves... I don't know why we have to have all this fuss about men doing to men what straight men want to do to their women, but are not always allowed....

I won't mention any names, but... it's the Bible. Whoops! Messed that one up.

Oh - of course...The Bible! Yes, I forgot that lascivious and godly tome that was nothing but a way of telling complete strangers what to do in bed whilst those in charge were sleeping with all sorts and in all sorts of ways.

Apologies McCartney007, but it takes more than a book someone else has ghostwritten centuries ago to tell me what to do in the sack. And why anyone in the 21 Century leads their life according to medieval hypocrisy is frankly beyond me.

Careful, Zorin. I was banished for less..

[Scrambled Eggs]

If forced to sleep with someone and your only two choices are a really heinous woman or a really attractive guy, who would you pick?

You underestimate the power of imagination. I think that most guys, if they're really being honest, would go for the ugly bird and avert their eyes whilst doing the deed.
Afterall, a pair of tits is always pleasant, even if the rest is of inferior quality.

[Zorin Industries]

[quote name='Judo chop' post='774787' date='19 September 2007 - 21:38'][quote name='Zorin Industries' post='774765' date='19 September 2007 - 14:41']Oh - of course...The Bible! Yes, I forgot that lascivious and godly tome that was nothing but a way of telling complete strangers what to do in bed whilst those in charge were sleeping with all sorts and in all sorts of ways.

Apologies McCartney007, but it takes more than a book someone else has ghostwritten centuries ago to tell me what to do in the sack. And why anyone in the 21 Century leads their life according to medieval hypocrisy is frankly beyond me.[/quote]

Oh Zorin

Edited by Zorin Industries, 20 September 2007 - 11:11 AM.

[Zorin Industries]

By the way and for the record - I have no problem with anyone choosing to embellish their lives through religious pursuits. I just don't know why some people from those circles think they can dictate others very existence.

Now - was Ian Fleming gay...?