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[doublenoughtspy]

Alas I haven't had the dubious pleasure of meeting Mr. Blair, so I maintain my regret that there's never a Lee Harvey Oswald around when one needs him whenever I see the grinning ninny on the TV. That said, I suppose I can find it within myself to afford him a crumb of sympathy for having to share his bed with that dreadful rapacious witch every night.

Suggesting the assassination of a world leader. Buh bye.

[dee-bee-five]

If George W Bush was put on the cross right now....

...I'd be at the head of the (very long) queue of volunteers to hammer in the nails.

[dee-bee-five]

Alas I haven't had the dubious pleasure of meeting Mr. Blair, so I maintain my regret that there's never a Lee Harvey Oswald around when one needs him whenever I see the grinning ninny on the TV. That said, I suppose I can find it within myself to afford him a crumb of sympathy for having to share his bed with that dreadful rapacious witch every night.

Suggesting the assassination of a world leader. Buh bye.

Actually, if you read my words carefully, I didn't. But such is democracy, eh...?

[Zorin Industries]

Alas I haven't had the dubious pleasure of meeting Mr. Blair, so I maintain my regret that there's never a Lee Harvey Oswald around when one needs him whenever I see the grinning ninny on the TV. That said, I suppose I can find it within myself to afford him a crumb of sympathy for having to share his bed with that dreadful rapacious witch every night.

Suggesting the assassination of a world leader. Buh bye.

Does no American on this site have any sense of irony?!!!

I'm sure they do - they wouldn't be Bond fans if they didn't (!) - but come on, give an opposing argument a break!

ZI xx

[Jim]

Zorin, your Bush bashing continues with the tedious inevitability of an unloved season....

And yet each of his comments hits the mark. Team Bush and Blair have been a global disaster.

But they must be someboy's sons.

Having met Mr Blair, in person he is a lovely chap. Abhorrent ideas, but a splendid fellow.

Alas I haven't had the dubious pleasure of meeting Mr. Blair, so I maintain my regret that there's never a Lee Harvey Oswald around when one needs him whenever I see the grinning ninny on the TV. That said, I suppose I can find it within myself to afford him a crumb of sympathy for having to share his bed with that dreadful rapacious witch every night.

Well, she is dreadful; he appears to be a bit dim.

Bit cruel on the assasain thing, non? Let him fade away, not be matyred. Let him be remembered for his own disgrace, not someone else's.

[dee-bee-five]

Alas I haven't had the dubious pleasure of meeting Mr. Blair, so I maintain my regret that there's never a Lee Harvey Oswald around when one needs him whenever I see the grinning ninny on the TV. That said, I suppose I can find it within myself to afford him a crumb of sympathy for having to share his bed with that dreadful rapacious witch every night.

Suggesting the assassination of a world leader. Buh bye.

Does no American on this site have any sense of irony?!!!

I'm sure they do - they wouldn't be Bond fans if they didn't (!) - but come on, give an opposing argument a break!

ZI xx

Ah, Zorin, such is the current attitude amongst some - by no means the majority - of Americans to opposing views. If you don't like it, censor it. Such is "democracy".

[Major Tallon]

Alas I haven't had the dubious pleasure of meeting Mr. Blair, so I maintain my regret that there's never a Lee Harvey Oswald around when one needs him whenever I see the grinning ninny on the TV. That said, I suppose I can find it within myself to afford him a crumb of sympathy for having to share his bed with that dreadful rapacious witch every night.

Suggesting the assassination of a world leader. Buh bye.

Does no American on this site have any sense of irony?!!!

I'm sure they do - they wouldn't be Bond fans if they didn't (!) - but come on, give an opposing argument a break!

ZI xx

I guess I fail to appreciate the irony. Surely an American, especially at this time, can be forgiven for seeing nothing remotely acceptable, let alone ironic (or, forgive me, amusing), in the suggestion that a nation's leader should be murdered because some percentage of the populace, even an overwhelming majority, loathes his policies.

Acceptable discourse in a free society is not without limits. This comment seems to come mighty close.

[triviachamp]

Geez, I don't like Bush and Blair either but I did not create this thread for it. As for assassination, well the haters of Lincoln, MLK, RFK and JFK are not in large numbers.

As for the actual thread, well it looks like there is no proof. Of course there is no proof that he wasn't but we could say the same about everyone. So Fleming was not gay.

[forever bond]

no how can he be he sure does't show it through his writing

[Zorin Industries]

Alas I haven't had the dubious pleasure of meeting Mr. Blair, so I maintain my regret that there's never a Lee Harvey Oswald around when one needs him whenever I see the grinning ninny on the TV. That said, I suppose I can find it within myself to afford him a crumb of sympathy for having to share his bed with that dreadful rapacious witch every night.

Suggesting the assassination of a world leader. Buh bye.

Does no American on this site have any sense of irony?!!!

I'm sure they do - they wouldn't be Bond fans if they didn't (!) - but come on, give an opposing argument a break!

ZI xx

I guess I fail to appreciate the irony. Surely an American, especially at this time, can be forgiven for seeing nothing remotely acceptable, let alone ironic (or, forgive me, amusing), in the suggestion that a nation's leader should be murdered because some percentage of the populace, even an overwhelming majority, loathes his policies.

Acceptable discourse in a free society is not without limits. This comment seems to come mighty close.

Major Tallon,

Whilst you are right that the time of the Virginia shootings was not the time to be making comments about assassinations, some Americans neo-con and Bush-ite views are - to some people (in fact, a LOT of people) equally disturbing.

For the record - of course "acceptable discourse in a free society" SHOULD be "without limits"!! Otherwise it is not strictly a free society, is it? Making comments that challenge and confront Bush supporters is not akin to putting puppy dogs in a bath of acid. DeeBeeFive made a perfectly adult comment with the context of irony, sarcasm and satire at its heart. Now obviously those three devices are lost on die-hard George W Bush fans, but blasting them out of the water because of it smacks of hypocrisy.

Now, back to the original question of this post....

Was Ian Fleming gay? God, I hope not. Otherwise, the current dictator polluting the American political, environmental and human rights scene in the US would have passed another one of his 1am bills in order to stop some "English pansy hack ruining the sanctity of marriage!". And then we'd have no Bond....!

For the record Mr Bush, drunk driving tends to ruin the sanctity of life, but we don't see your fair-weather God banning cars too. Oh no - of course we wouldn't. We must think of Daddy's oil business friends and your own alleged convictions for driving whilst under the influence. Though it's a better "influence" to be under than some of the other contributors to your time in office. As I've said before - I like my megalomaniacs to be stroking white cats, not the palms of big business.

Sorry to be so obvious, but no more so than the neo-con Bush lovers who thinks the sun shines out of his mouth.

Edited by Zorin Industries, 25 May 2007 - 12:41 PM.

[ACE]

For the record Mr Bush, drunk driving tends to ruin the sanctity of life, but we don't see your fair-weather God banning cars too. Oh no - of course we wouldn't. We must think of Daddy's oil business friends.

Sorry to be so obvious, but no more so than the neo-con Bush lovers who thinks the sun shines out of his mouth.

I have the oddest feeling you're not a Republican, ZI...

[Zorin Industries]

For the record Mr Bush, drunk driving tends to ruin the sanctity of life, but we don't see your fair-weather God banning cars too. Oh no - of course we wouldn't. We must think of Daddy's oil business friends.

Sorry to be so obvious, but no more so than the neo-con Bush lovers who thinks the sun shines out of his mouth.

I have the oddest feeling you're not a Republican, ZI...

Does it show...?!

[darkpath]

With all respect, what does one's opinion of the leaders of various nation states have to do with the discussion at hand? I'm afraid I don't see the correlation.

[Zorin Industries]

With all respect, what does one's opinion of the leaders of various nation states have to do with the discussion at hand? I'm afraid I don't see the correlation.

Fair point. But since when have the better, more fiery threads round these parts stuck with the job in hand? It's about opinion - and opinion comes in many forms and not strictly the ones that are right by everyone.

Although a discussion on homosexuality and mainstream literary and cinematic entertainment is not a million miles away from ones regarding George W Bush. If he had his way, America would be a Waltons World with everyone happily married to their childhood sweethearts and running their own chapels.

Anyway, my re-igniting of this post is about some people (and I mean "some" posters, but not all by any stretch) and their inability to listen and understand an opposing view. Just because George W Bush has the support of middle America and the bible belt doesn't mean that anyone outside of that is unable to pass comment. That's how democracy is threatened. Ask the people of Iraq.

[dodge]

Well, he has been convicted by some here as a 'racist' and a 'sexist'. It's also been reported that he drank too much. Might as well tackle his love life. Me, I hope he had a great one--whatever his persuasion.

[LadySylvia]

Ian Fleming gay? Personally, I just don't see it. But if he was . . . he did a great job of hiding the fact.

[red_grant]

not bloody likely, although he was friends with noel coward who was a bugger.

[Harmsway]

But if he was . . . he did a great job of hiding the fact.

Yeah. I mean, he makes some rather condescending comments towards homosexuals in the Bond novels and was a notorious womanizer. I find it highly unlikely that Fleming was gay.

[Zorin Industries]

Well, he has been convicted by some here as a 'racist' and a 'sexist'. It's also been reported that he drank too much. Might as well tackle his love life. Me, I hope he had a great one--whatever his persuasion.

Exactly....!

[LadySylvia]

You know, I think I may be changing my mind. In DR. NO, Fleming had compared Honeychile Ryder's bottom to that of a boy's. And he had this to say about Tatiana Romanova in FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE:

": "A purist would have disapproved of her behind. Its muscles were so hardened with exercise that it had lost the smooth downward feminine sweep, and now, round at the back and flat and hard at the sides, it jutted like a man's."

Around the time of DR. NO's release, even Noel Coward had commented upon Fleming's comparison of Honeyrider's bottom to that of a boy:

"I know that we are all becoming progressively more broadminded nowadays but really, old chap, what could you have been thinking of?"

Who knows? Perhaps he swung both ways.

Edited by LadySylvia, 13 July 2007 - 04:57 PM.

[HildebrandRarity]

Perhaps James Bond was an attemp to veil his secret tendencies?

[vavu007]

Whether Flemming was gay or not, he seems to have created a very heterosexual character. SO either he was writing about his idealized self, or pretty well faking it. In either case, he did a great job.

[MrDraco]

He was Gay.
I was his lover.
It is true, hammers and nails oh my.

[Shaun Forever]

I was always under the impression that Ian Fleming was quite the sleaze back in the day, not sure where I heard this, if I'm not mistaken did he not used to sleep with woman behind his wife's back?



(Sorry if this is garbage, I may have got the whole thing mixed up).

[doublenoughtspy]

I was always under the impression that Ian Fleming was quite the sleaze back in the day, not sure where I heard this, if I'm not mistaken did he not used to sleep with woman behind his wife's back?

(Sorry if this is garbage, I may have got the whole thing mixed up).

He had various affairs, most notably with Blanche Blackwell towards the end of his life.

But his wife Ann cheated on him with Hugh Gaitskell. Ann knew what she was getting into. She joked that whatever foreign city she visited she would always come across women that Fleming slept with.

Why don't you pick up the Andrew Lycett bio on Fleming? You might learn something.

[Zorin Industries]

No man could write such sexually fuelled prose about the sexual objectification of women if he was gay!! He wrote about a man that loved beautiful sexy women that were weak at the knees for him, and who could have any woman he wanted in any position he wanted.

I completely agree with you that Fleming was probably not gay, but the opening of your defence is exactly what a closeted man would do if he was an author and wanted to hide his proclivities. Don't judge an author by his cover.....

[Zorin Industries]

No man could write such sexually fuelled prose about the sexual objectification of women if he was gay!! He wrote about a man that loved beautiful sexy women that were weak at the knees for him, and who could have any woman he wanted in any position he wanted.

I completely agree with you that Fleming was probably not gay, but the opening of your defence is exactly what a closeted man would do if he was an author and wanted to hide his proclivities. Don't judge an author by his cover.....

Yes but he writes with such gusto and absolutely celebrates 'womanhood' in a sexual way not an idolistic way that one would expect from a closet gay. He is not describing iconic goddesses like Shirley Bassey, Kylie and Judie Garland, he is describing women who are oozing sex appeal and he is also describes an appetite for women akin to a testosteroned fuelled, predatorial kind of conquest, no? Perhaps I am naive, but I think only a man could write this way naturally as it seems to come from gut instinct.

I'm not going to start outing authors or actors here, but gay men can write and deliver performances about all sorts of things to do with women that any straight man can do too. Gay men don't always want nor need to discuss women from an adulatory perspective. Gore Vidal, Truman Capote, Clive Barker, Alan Bennett and Tennesse Williams all seem to be quite able to discuss female sexuality with no bother. And actors such as Montgomery Clift, Rock Hudson, James Dean and Richard Chamberlain (to name an obvious few...) all seemed to portray men that wanted and could get women with no bother.

I get your point though. But be wary of sweeping generalisations.... ;o)

Now can I really throw the Persian white cat into the John Glen pigeons by mentioning that Ben Daniels who played Ian Fleming in the recent BBC drama about him is a gayer....(!!).

ZI

Edited by Zorin Industries, 18 July 2007 - 12:56 PM.

[Jim]

Now can I really throw the Persian white cat into the John Glen pigeons by mentioning that Ben Daniels who played Ian Fleming in the recent BBC drama about him is a gayer....(!!).

ZI

Good point.

I'm not going to start outing authors or actors here

Oh go on; it's Wednesday and I'm bored.

[Zorin Industries]

Now can I really throw the Persian white cat into the John Glen pigeons by mentioning that Ben Daniels who played Ian Fleming in the recent BBC drama about him is a gayer....(!!).

ZI

Good point.

I'm not going to start outing authors or actors here

Oh go on; it's Wednesday and I'm bored.

Me too....

Oh I can't. Some of them are the same old rumours...some are "how on Earth has no-one clicked...?". Off the top of my head...

Saffron Burrows
Sophie Ward
Lily Tomlin....

David Hyde Pierce
John Barrowman
John Glover
George Takei
Dirk Bogarde...

There are others, but as they are not out it would be wrong to mention them here - as much as I want to...(!).

[dodge]

Now can I really throw the Persian white cat into the John Glen pigeons by mentioning that Ben Daniels who played Ian Fleming in the recent BBC drama about him is a gayer....(!!).

ZI

Good point.

I'm not going to start outing authors or actors here

Oh go on; it's Wednesday and I'm bored.

Me too....

Oh I can't. Some of them are the same old rumours...some are "how on Earth has no-one clicked...?". Off the top of my head...

Saffron Burrows
Sophie Ward
Lily Tomlin....

David Hyde Pierce
John Barrowman
John Glover
George Takei
Dirk Bogarde...

There are others, but as they are not out it would be wrong to mention them here - as much as I want to...(!).

And to this day my dear mom says about Richard Chamberlain: "Dear God, not Doc Kildare too!"