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[deth]

I tend to think of the lyrics as if Bond were giving a speech in a stage play describing himself...

It is a commentary on Bond or I should say Craig's version of the character.

it's in first person.. a first person that could very well fit Bond

And for those of you who say "Does it really matter. It's only the music". I would say that the music in the Bond movies is as important as who's starring in it.

Really? This is four minutes of a 2 hour film. And it's not even really part of the film proper - just a title sequence. I mean, if the title song was that big a deal, I would absolutely detest FOR YOUR EYES ONLY, OCTOPUSSY and THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS purely on that. And I don't.

Theme song ultimately matters very little, at least to me, and I don't understand why anybody would give it much more importance than it deserves.

Well. Surely the title song is as important as the movie seeing as Sony/EON are probably hoping for it to top the charts. Maybe it will. Maybe this kind of crap is passable to the younger audience. But, as an 'opener' to a movie that's quite frankly been criticised left right an centre, there would be at least a decent main title song.

EON seem to think, that to hire a famous singer, and produce a unintelligible theme will work wonders for the film. So far, from what I've seen of the trailers it's looking excellent. But having a theme tune to one of the only Ian Flemmmmmmmmmmmmming novels that is taken heavily from the novel. You would of thought we'd be treated to a 'musical' number. Besides. Isn't this movie supposed to be a kind of a re-boot?.

I wonder how the sound of this song is any LESS Bond that say... Octopussy or DAD, TSWLM, or even FYEO....

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

I tend to think of the lyrics as if Bond were giving a speech in a stage play describing himself...

It is a commentary on Bond or I should say Craig's version of the character.

it's in first person.. a first person that could very well fit Bond

You may be right! It is first person. Imagine Craig's Bond telling this to Brosnan's Bond and it makes sense!

[DanMan]

No way I'm going to slam Die Another Day though - I'm one of the few who can apparently enjoy that song.

Same here, I enjoy Madonna's Die Another Day, it's works much better within the film than as a song by itself though.

As for this song? It is definately not what I was expecting (and I was expecting something different). Well, this is so much better than I could have ever expected, as I've said with the other aspects of this film, it finally feels like they're moving forward, rather than trying to emulate earlier films (the Brosnan era). Baby, Bond is back, and he's great!

That's exactly how I feel. It's almost as if their saying, "Connery? Greatest Bond ever? Says who?". It seems like there done with trying to copy the 60's and make an era that future generations will look back on and say "Wow that was a great run!".

And every time that brass kicks in during the chorus, I imagine Craig in action and I get goosebumps!

[K1Bond007]

Fair enough, K1. I've amended it.

No way I'm going to slam Die Another Day though - I'm one of the few who can apparently enjoy that song.

Awww

Also, wish I could vote again

What do you want your vote changed from and to?

Middle of the road to Liked it.

[Qwerty]

Done.

[Harmsway]

Done.

Could you change mine from "Middle of the Road" to "Like It"?

[Qwerty]

Alright.

[luciusgore]

MOD NOTE: WE SAID... DON'T POST LINKS!

Absolutely sounds un-Bond. After hearing it, I'm convinced that they need to swiftly replace the opening titles with an instrumental song. This is the worst Bond song in the history of the series. If you thought 'Die Another Day' was bad, you're gonna really hate 'You Know My Name.'

My interest in this film has dropped by about 50 percent.

[Harmsway]

I heard it earlier today through an alternate source. I think it's a thousand times better than DIE ANOTHER DAY and one of the better themes in the series. It's a theme that grows on you - at first listen, I had no idea what to make of it. But I came to love it.

But even if I hated it, what the hell does the title song have to do with the movie overall? I hate a-ha's song for THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS, but that doesn't mean a thing when it comes to liking the movie or not.

Anyway this thread was already created to discuss it way earlier today:

http://debrief.comma...showtopic=34003

[zencat]

I thought the mods said no links.

[Monsieur B]

I don't mind it really. I agree that it isn't the best, but it certainly isn't the worst. I'm now itching to see how Kleinman will design the main titles after this song.

People are right to say that it's very reminiscent to Live and Let Die and A View to a Kill than Goldfinger or Thunderball. It definitely has the energy that the title song was deserving, what with the change in direction and all. And if Arnold will in fact be using a version of this song for a love theme then I think it will sound quite beautiful on screen.

[Harmsway]

I thought the mods said no links.

At this point, there's no point. It's up at AICN, for crying out loud.

[AgentPB]

Wow like i wanna be postive but thats kinda...crap. I mean I'll still see the movie but I was hoping for a more down tempo song. It feels like the pulled this song from 1999. I think it's to harsh for a Bond movie.

[Brisco]

To me on first listen it sounded pretty generic. My girlfriend pointed out that it sounds like a song "that you'd only ever hear during the credits of a movie," and that's pretty true, I think. It doesn't stand on its own the way the best Bond themes do. I can't really see the comparisons to LALD. Sure, they're both male vocalists, but that's about it. LALD may be rockier, but it's still a classic Bond sound, and very hummable. Not so with this. I think it's much closer to TLD. It's passable, though, which is certainly better than Madonna's effort.

And it definitely grows on my with each subsequent listen.

Brisco

[JimmyBond]

So we know Arnold will incorporate this song into his score. Think this could be what he uses for his main action theme?

[luciusgore]

This is awful. They should have gotten Nickelback in. Or Bon-tossing-Jovi. They'd have wheeled out the same rubbish. Forgettable. Asinine. It's as aggressive as a ing plum. I'm devastated.

The lyrics are laughably poor, no memorable melody. This is nothing more than c*ck-rock.

I know exactly where you're coming from, although I guess I like it more than you do. But, yeah, it reminds me more than a bit of Dirk Diggler's rock song in BOOGIE NIGHTS.

Would anyone agree that, in parts, it sounds horrifyingly like Spinal Tap's "Rock & Roll Creation"?

Yes, it's certainly one of the worst Bond themes. Out of the 21 that have now been produced, one would have to rank it ... last. Although LICENCE TO KILL was pretty bad too.

[Harmsway]

So we know Arnold will incorporate this song into his score. Think this could be what he uses for his main action theme?

Maybe. I don't know to what extent YKMN will be utilized. Personally, I'm not even sure this is the final film version, and that it might just be a radio version. I think the orchestra part in the background may be given a lot more emphasis in the version we hear in the film.

I fooled around remixing it on my own, bringing out the orchestra more, and it's a rather nice part in there (and sounds very Arnold, for what it's worth). If it was brought out more, I think it would do a lot more for the Bond-ness of the song, since it's a very Bondian part, and a very good one at that.

[JimmyBond]

Yes, it's certainly one of the worst Bond themes. Out of the 21 that have now been produced, one would have to rank it ... last. Although LICENCE TO KILL was pretty bad too.

Seriously? Last? I think it's one of the best songs we've had, at least one of the best songs we've had since the 80's. I liked the themes from the Brosnan films, but (except for Madonna's song) they all tried to emulate the "Bond" sound. We have a song that is not trying to fit into any set of rules, kinda like the film.

[TheSaint]

Yes, it's certainly one of the worst Bond themes. Out of the 21 that have now been produced, one would have to rank it ... last. Although LICENCE TO KILL was pretty bad too.

I'll second that motion. LTK just got bumped up to second to worse.

[OK Connery]

Well, colour me pleasantly surprised. I was afraid it'd be closer to one of Cornell's drearier ballads, or if it was going to rock out it'd sound completely incompatible to a Bond movie. However like most other people here, it grows on me with each listen. I suspect this will end up in my own personal rankings as just squeaking in the top ten or just barely missing it, but compared to what we had last time we should count our lucky stars.

I do have to say this song sounds like it was written by someone who's enthused about doing a song for a Bond movie, rather than someone who saw this merely as an opportunity to piggyback on it to market their new single (like Madonna).

Edited by OK Connery, 21 September 2006 - 05:48 AM.

[JimmyBond]

I do have to say this song sounds like it was written by someone who's enthused about doing a song for a Bond movie, rather than someone who saw this merely as an opportunity to piggyback on it to markt their new single (like Madonna).

Not only that, she initially submitted a song to the producers that...SHE HAD ALREADY RECORDED! She had no interest of doing a Bond theme at all, it's exactly what you said. She used it to market her new single.

[AgentPB]

Yes, it's certainly one of the worst Bond themes. Out of the 21 that have now been produced, one would have to rank it ... last. Although LICENCE TO KILL was pretty bad too.

I'll second that motion. LTK just got bumped up to second to worse.

I'm an idiot!

Edited by AgentPB, 21 September 2006 - 05:48 AM.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

Yes, it's certainly one of the worst Bond themes. Out of the 21 that have now been produced, one would have to rank it ... last. Although LICENCE TO KILL was pretty bad too.

Seriously? Last? I think it's one of the best songs we've had, at least one of the best songs we've had since the 80's. I liked the themes from the Brosnan films, but (except for Madonna's song) they all tried to emulate the "Bond" sound. We have a song that is not trying to fit into any set of rules, kinda like the film.

That's how I feel. IMO you got to throw out everything that you would expect from a Bond to enjoy Casino Royale. This really is the death of the caricature James Bond. This is a new era of Bond films that really does change the tone and style almost as radically as Batman Begins was for that franchise. It's like they've thrown out all the baggage of the cinematic James Bond and went to back Fleming and created a totally new cinematic interpetation of the character. Some people are scared of this change and are even totally against it and saying if you remove all things we come to expect from Bond then then it's just an average action film or run of the mill spy thriller. Well I said it before I'd rather have a great action packed spy thriller with the main character named Bond than a mediocre run of the mill BOND film. For me the I never went to see Bond films for just for the title song, gadgets, the Q and Moneypenny scenes. What kept me coming back was the action, girls, evil villains, exotic locales, and cloak and dagger intrigue, all which Casino Royale has in spades!

[MaFru]

Worst. Ever.

"It grows on you"...like a decease maybe, this song is horrible, it has taken Madonna's spot as all time low point in the series, well I for one no longer care about this messy project, I'm tired of "giving a chance", and justifying all this stupid choices EON makes, I only hope to be proven wrong come Nov. 17.

[OK Connery]

I do have to say this song sounds like it was written by someone who's enthused about doing a song for a Bond movie, rather than someone who saw this merely as an opportunity to piggyback on it to market their new single (like Madonna).

Not only that, she initially submitted a song to the producers that...SHE HAD ALREADY RECORDED! She had no interest of doing a Bond theme at all, it's exactly what you said. She used it to market her new single.

I find that extremely irritating, because I thought around the time of Like A Prayer and I'm Breathless, she might have been a good choice for a Bond title, because she was a fan. Of course, it seems I was mistaken...

Anyways, good riddance to bad rubbish and kudoes to Cornell for acquitting himself quite well. He has nothing to be ashamed of with this song, as far as I'm concerned. Nothing to be ashamed of at all.

Edited by OK Connery, 21 September 2006 - 05:51 AM.

[Harmsway]

I am amazed that anybody would call this the worst Bond song of all. I'd take it without any reservation over TMWTGG, FYEO, OP, TLD, GE, TND, and DAD, and it does get points for being something different. I mean, I hardly think it's painful to listen to, and while I was really thrown off, I've really come around to dig it. It's really nice to have an upbeat Bond anthem of sorts.

And I do recommend playing around with the equalizer on the Windows Media Players... you'll be able to bring out the orchestra more, and it's worth hearing. Beefing up the orchestra definitely improves the Bondian quotient of this song, and makes it feel like a cousin to LALD. (As I stated before, hopefully the film version will mix it with a little more oompf to the orchestra than is here on the radio single.)

[K1Bond007]

Worst. Ever.

"It grows on you"...like a decease maybe, this song is horrible, it has taken Madonna's spot as all time low point in the series, well I for one no longer care about this messy project, I'm tired of "giving a chance", and justifying all this stupid choices EON makes, I only hope to be proven wrong come Nov. 17.

This reads like a car wreck. "Tired of 'giving a chance'" - "no longer care about this messy project" - "hope to be proven wrong come Nov 17." If you don't want to give it a chance then don't ing see it because let me tell you something right now: You won't like it. If you go in there with this bummed out negative attitude you won't like it or it will severely effect your thumbs up or thumbs down by film's end. I don't recall too many a time, if any, where I ended up liking a movie when I saw it with a negative attitude like this. Then again, never have I seen a movie in the theater where I've had a negative attitude like this. Now that just sounds silly to me.

And in the end, it's just a song. BFD. Man up.

[sharpshooter]

I love it. Great song.

[Santa]

Well. Now. I'm hoping it will grow on me. It's generic and dated, but not in a cool, retro way. The only people who could call it cool are surely those who attach mobile phone clips to their waistbands. I'm all for the 'let's have something different and original rather than trying to rehash Goldfinger' approach, but there's nothing original about this song. And exactly how am I supposed to sing along to this in my car? I don't hate it, it's too bland for that, but if it weren't a Bond theme tune I wouldn't bother to listen a second time. As it is a Bond theme tune, I'm going to listen again and again and again, hoping to see why others like it.

[Orion]

its like i said in a different thread, if you like Cornell you like it, if you don't you don't, i like cornell and it think this is the best Bond theme we've had but thats just my opinion.