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[Harmsway]

I'm *really* curious about how the title sequence will play out alongside this - it's remarkably fast paced.

[Gobi-1]

I think the opening bars start with the gunbarrel just after Bond has fired.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

I think the thing is because it is so different everyone kinda has their own version in there head on how they would think it would sound and it is so jarring and different when you first hear it that kinda throws you off but as you keep listening it does grow on you as you get used to it and forget about how you would have wanted it and you can appreciate it in it's own right. Kinda like Craig also!

[Harmsway]

I think the opening bars start with the gunbarrel just after Bond has fired.

I would tend to think as much, too.

[K1Bond007]

I think the thing is because it is so different everyone kinda has their own version in there head on how they would think it would sound and it is so jarring and different when you first hear it that kinda throws you off but as you keep listening it does grow on you as you get used to it and forget about how you would have wanted it and you can appreciate it in it's own right. Kinda like Craig also!

It really does grow on you. I was thinking about this earlier. On my first listen I thought it didn't sound like a Bond theme to me. Not that big of a deal, but that was my initial opinion. Then I thought, well had I been around in 1973 I would have said the same about Live and Let Die, and later A View to a Kill (too young) and a couple others here and there. This song has totally grown on me though. I can totally see the end of the "pre-titles" and the segue into this. Fast paced, but I can see this working well. It just isn't a traditional Bond theme, and that's cool with me. In fact, I prefer it for this round of Bond films.

[Vauxhall]

I won't link to it for fear of getting AJB into trouble

(Ahem- it's only polite to get your hosts' name right!)

Argh! Really sorry, Freudian Slip!

Haha - you say that but it's now been changed to this below :

I won't link to it for fear of getting CNB into trouble...

Away from me being pedantic, and on the subject of the actual song, it wasn't quite what I was expecting. Even though it is in my preferred style of music, it's not going to be one of my favourite Bond themes. Although I'm prepared to revise my opinion if it fits in with the main titles.

[deth]

I tend to think of the lyrics as if Bond were giving a speech in a stage play describing himself...

[Bondian]

When this singer was announced, I said "who". Now listening to this dross a few times, it's appropriate for me to say "what"?.

This, and Mad Donna's 'Try Another Day' themes are the worst of the series.

It sounds like it was written by those idiots of that board that we do not mention. It's far too heavy, insensitive and redundant to any form of enhancement of what's a very risqu

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

I think the thing is because it is so different everyone kinda has their own version in there head on how they would think it would sound and it is so jarring and different when you first hear it that kinda throws you off but as you keep listening it does grow on you as you get used to it and forget about how you would have wanted it and you can appreciate it in it's own right. Kinda like Craig also!

It really does grow on you. I was thinking about this earlier. On my first listen I thought it didn't sound like a Bond theme to me. Not that big of a deal, but that was my initial opinion. Then I thought, well had I been around in 1973 I would have said the same about Live and Let Die, and later A View to a Kill (too young) and a couple others here and there. This song has totally grown on me though. I can totally see the end of the "pre-titles" and the segue into this. Fast paced, but I can see this working well. It just isn't a traditional Bond theme, and that's cool with me. In fact, I prefer it for this round of Bond films.

It also makes me think back to the script which had the MTS as...

Spoiler

Pics of Bond's CV with his stint in the SAS or SBS intercut with a high tech printing press with the sequence ending with the crime scene pics if Dryden and Fisher's killings and with the "00" stamped on Bond's ID badge and unseen hand carrying it off into the bowels of MI6.

Now it seems it has been altered somewhat but I wonder if they will still incorperate that into the MTS even though the screening review says it more like the traditional MTS mybe they will find a way to keep it simular to the script. I could see that unfolding. It you look at it the more uptempo songs LALD and AVTAK were very well recived by the public which may be a good sign!

[Harmsway]

And for those of you who say "Does it really matter. It's only the music". I would say that the music in the Bond movies is as important as who's starring in it.

Really? This is four minutes of a 2 hour film. And it's not even really part of the film proper - just a title sequence. I mean, if the title song was that big a deal, I would absolutely detest FOR YOUR EYES ONLY, OCTOPUSSY and THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS purely on that. And I don't.

Theme song ultimately matters very little, at least to me, and I don't understand why anybody would give it much more importance than it deserves.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

I tend to think of the lyrics as if Bond were giving a speech in a stage play describing himself...

It is a commentary on Bond or I should say Craig's version of the character.

[Harmsway]

Now it seems it has been altered somewhat but I wonder if they will still incorperate that into the MTS even though the screening review says it more like the traditional MTS mybe they will find a way to keep it simular to the script. I could see that unfolding.

Spoiler

It's unlikely by this point. The title sequence is meticulously planned from the get-go - there's no room for change. And as I've argued before, you either go with the dossier interpretation or the casino theme (and it seems it's the latter). The two can't be combined and make sense.

Personally, I'd prefer a traditional title sequence with this song. The dossier approach would have worked with a slow, moodier song, but I can't see it playing well with this song. It's just not energetic enough.

[DaltonCraig]

I give it a B. Best song since "Goldeneye"

Edited by DaltonCraig, 21 September 2006 - 02:28 AM.

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

Now it seems it has been altered somewhat but I wonder if they will still incorperate that into the MTS even though the screening review says it more like the traditional MTS mybe they will find a way to keep it simular to the script. I could see that unfolding.

Spoiler

It's unlikely by this point. The title sequence is meticulously planned from the get-go - there's no room for change. And as I've argued before, you either go with the dossier interpretation or the casino theme (and it seems it's the latter). The two can't be combined and make sense.

Personally, I'd prefer a traditional title sequence with this song. The dossier approach would have worked with a slow, moodier song, but I can't see it playing well with this song. It's just not energetic enough.

Still I wonder if they will..

Spoiler

Have pics of Craig not nessicarily CV pics but like how they would have Roger appear from time to time in the MTS of his era.

They probably won't go with how it's written in the script but somehow I doubt it will be the usual normal MTS sequence.

[Bondian]

And for those of you who say "Does it really matter. It's only the music". I would say that the music in the Bond movies is as important as who's starring in it.

Really? This is four minutes of a 2 hour film. And it's not even really part of the film proper - just a title sequence. I mean, if the title song was that big a deal, I would absolutely detest FOR YOUR EYES ONLY, OCTOPUSSY and THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS purely on that. And I don't.

Theme song ultimately matters very little, at least to me, and I don't understand why anybody would give it much more importance than it deserves.

Well. Surely the title song is as important as the movie seeing as Sony/EON are probably hoping for it to top the charts. Maybe it will. Maybe this kind of crap is passable to the younger audience. But, as an 'opener' to a movie that's quite frankly been criticised left right an centre, there would be at least a decent main title song.

EON seem to think, that to hire a famous singer, and produce a unintelligible theme will work wonders for the film. So far, from what I've seen of the trailers it's looking excellent. But having a theme tune to one of the only Ian Flemmmmmmmmmmmmming novels that is taken heavily from the novel. You would of thought we'd be treated to a 'musical' number. Besides. Isn't this movie supposed to be a kind of a re-boot?.

[K1Bond007]

Well. Surely the title song is as important as the movie seeing as Sony/EON are probably hoping for it to top the charts. Maybe it will. Maybe this kind of crap is passable to the younger audience. But, as an 'opener' to a movie that's quite frankly been criticised left right an centre, there would be at least a decent main title song.

EON seem to think, that to hire a famous singer, and produce a unintelligible theme will work wonders for the film. So far, from what I've seen of the trailers it's looking excellent. But having a theme tune to one of the only Ian Flemmmmmmmmmmmmming novels that is taken heavily from the novel. You would of thought we'd be treated to a 'musical' number. Besides. Isn't this movie supposed to be a kind of a re-boot?.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. What does Ian Fleming have to do with the theme song? I love Fleming's works. Casino Royale is my second favorite novel of his and probably in my top 5 of all novels, but it has nothing to do with the theme song. Then you bring up the "reboot." I don't get that either. It's not a traditional James Bond theme, that seems to fit the reboot right off the bat. Other than that, the reboot really doesn't have much to do with the theme either. It's just a song and it hardly matters in the grand scheme of it all. So you don't like the theme. I wasn't too keen on Tomorrow Never Dies (though I love Surrender), The World Is Not Enough, and I ing hate Die Another Day. I also don't care for a number of the previous ones - like Octopussy's All Time High, but it doesn't mean much at all when I rate the movie.

You didn't like the theme. Big deal. It's not curtains for the movie. And no amount of criticism, especially from those that have not seen the movie and thus have no ing clue what they're talking about, will really matter. You acknowledge all the other criticisms then you blast the song, calling it crap, as if one more criticism to the film is going to matter. Big deal.

[Harmsway]

Surely the title song is as important as the movie seeing as Sony/EON are probably hoping for it to top the charts.

Not at all. At the end of the day, it's just a song, and ultimately very secondary to the song. If anything, the song exists to promote the film. While a hit would be nice, they're not all that obsessed with producing one, I don't think.

But, as an 'opener' to a movie that's quite frankly been criticised left right an centre, there would be at least a decent main title song.

And personally, I think there is a decent main title song. I like it more than a lot of the songs we've had in the past. But even if I outright hated it, it wouldn't cause me to bat an eye.

EON seem to think, that to hire a famous singer, and produce a unintelligible theme will work wonders for the film.

It's hardly unintelligible, and yeah, a famous singer probably will help.

Isn't this movie supposed to be a kind of a re-boot?.

Which is why they went for an atypical Bond song, rather than the rehashed Goldfinger-wannabes we often seem to get.

[Qwerty]

It's somewhat growing on me. I'm sure I'll have a completely different opinion a few listens from now.

Just not sure yet...

[Tiin007]

It's somewhat growing on me. I'm sure I'll have a completely different opinion a few listens from now.

Just not sure yet...

Same here basically. I need to get used to the song before I can give my thoughts on it.

[Qwerty]

Hope no-one minds, but I have added a poll to gauge the opinions of the forum members.

[Cody]

I wasn't sure at first, though I did like it. Now it's working its way into being one of my top 5 Bond songs.

Edited by Cody, 21 September 2006 - 03:51 AM.

[Publius]

The more I listen to it, the more I like it, and the more I think it has a strong chance of working very well in the titles, as a score-referenced theme, and even as a finale to the movie. It's restrained, but celebratory. It's not light, even if it has an "airy" feel. And despite the presumably relative darkness of the film, all that could end up working best.

The PTS will be something bold, that's for sure. As far as I can tell from the trailers, we'll have two very different "hits" for Bond cutting back and forth (in B&W no less). One will see his rough brutality, the other will see his polished professional side. By the time both are completed, exploding from the gunbarrel directly into a triumphant song like YKMN will be most fitting, as we've just witnessed the "birth" of 007.

And if the end credits roll while playing this theme, I think it could also fit perfectly there. Although some of the later events in Casino Royale could prove downers, the fact that Bond emerges from the rubble, forged as it were into the man we know, not so much changed as permanently reinforced in his beliefs, means celebrating his "victory" with a song aptly titled "You Know My Name" couldn't be more appropriate. James Bond has returned.

Edited by Publius, 21 September 2006 - 04:11 AM.

[K1Bond007]

Hope no-one minds, but I have added a poll to gauge the opinions of the forum members.

Well I wish there were more options there, but ok. Seems like a jump to go from Loved it to Middle of the road. I would recommend:

1. Loved It - one of the best.
2. Liked it - solid theme.
3. It'll do.
4. Didn't like it.
5. Success! Didn't think it was possible, but Die Another Day is now the second worst.

[Taylor]

At least the song answers the question: what would a Bond theme performed by Whitesnake sound like? OK, maybe it's not *that* bad, but it's close.

[Qwerty]

Fair enough, K1. I've amended it.

No way I'm going to slam Die Another Day though - I'm one of the few who can apparently enjoy that song.

[K1Bond007]

Fair enough, K1. I've amended it.

No way I'm going to slam Die Another Day though - I'm one of the few who can apparently enjoy that song.

Awww

Also, wish I could vote again

[Doubl07]

Hmm....it's growing on me. Sounds straight out of the seventies. I can't see this song going with the film at all.

[Qwerty]

Fair enough, K1. I've amended it.

No way I'm going to slam Die Another Day though - I'm one of the few who can apparently enjoy that song.

Awww

Also, wish I could vote again

What do you want your vote changed from and to?

[JimmyBond]

No way I'm going to slam Die Another Day though - I'm one of the few who can apparently enjoy that song.

Same here, I enjoy Madonna's Die Another Day, it's works much better within the film than as a song by itself though.

As for this song? It is definately not what I was expecting (and I was expecting something different). Well, this is so much better than I could have ever expected, as I've said with the other aspects of this film, it finally feels like they're moving forward, rather than trying to emulate earlier films (the Brosnan era). Baby, Bond is back, and he's great!

[Bucky]

where can i find the song? im dying to hear this. any help would be greatly appreciated.