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[Alessandra]

I can only hope that after they'll loose huge amount of money on Casino Royale that stupid bitch Broccoli will loose her power over Bond and that Sony'll call for Brosnan to get back.

Is that *really* necessary?

I'm not going to say Craig is perfect, but anyone who bangs on about how he's the worst Bond ever, the whole franchise is doomed, Broccoli's a bitch or EON are a bunch of morons isn't really contributing anything meaningful to the discussion, in my view.

Agreed Spy. Vince, first of all welcome. We all have our reserves on Craig, but we just try and point them out without *ahem* exaggerating with terms or trying to be too distructive. I do understand your point, trust, me, only just maybe we can do it with a bit more humour and lightness???
again, welcome.
Alessandra

What's really sad in my eyes is not that people are disagreeing. They have every right. It's just so many of those who disagree with Craig or EON, etc., seem to take that view without adding anything fresh, as Spy pointed out. And so many joined CBn just to show this to whoever on the net wants to see it. Sad, really.

Agreed --- nothing fresh from the "boobirds" at all.

I will wager $100 (with proceeds going to charity) the following:

*** Casino Royale will be a smashing success (maybe not approaching DAD box office, but sufficiently close to reestablish the strength and longevity of the Bond franchise).

*** Daniel Craig will be one more than one mass-market periodical (e.g., Entertainment Weekly, People, US, etc.) list of sexiest men before Summer 2007.

Anyone up for it? This requires a little more "brass" than Chemin de Fer or Texas Hold 'Em...

lol Tony. you're always up for risk. are you sure it isn't actually YOU who's the real Bond?

[tonymascia1]

I can only hope that after they'll loose huge amount of money on Casino Royale that stupid bitch Broccoli will loose her power over Bond and that Sony'll call for Brosnan to get back.

Is that *really* necessary?

I'm not going to say Craig is perfect, but anyone who bangs on about how he's the worst Bond ever, the whole franchise is doomed, Broccoli's a bitch or EON are a bunch of morons isn't really contributing anything meaningful to the discussion, in my view.

Agreed Spy. Vince, first of all welcome. We all have our reserves on Craig, but we just try and point them out without *ahem* exaggerating with terms or trying to be too distructive. I do understand your point, trust, me, only just maybe we can do it with a bit more humour and lightness???
again, welcome.
Alessandra

What's really sad in my eyes is not that people are disagreeing. They have every right. It's just so many of those who disagree with Craig or EON, etc., seem to take that view without adding anything fresh, as Spy pointed out. And so many joined CBn just to show this to whoever on the net wants to see it. Sad, really.

Agreed --- nothing fresh from the "boobirds" at all.

I will wager $100 (with proceeds going to charity) the following:

*** Casino Royale will be a smashing success (maybe not approaching DAD box office, but sufficiently close to reestablish the strength and longevity of the Bond franchise).

*** Daniel Craig will be one more than one mass-market periodical (e.g., Entertainment Weekly, People, US, etc.) list of sexiest men before Summer 2007.

Anyone up for it? This requires a little more "brass" than Chemin de Fer or Texas Hold 'Em...

lol Tony. you're always up for risk. are you sure it isn't actually YOU who's the real Bond?

Alessandra, you may just be right...

I do have better hair than Mr. Craig, but I'll have to wait before a 100% Italian-American gets the job.

[Felix_Leiter]

This thread is so silly.

It's all about looks no matter how you wish to disguise it.

'Presence', 'Charisma'? That's so subjective.

Is it important that the actor portraying Bond actually have these qualities or is it important that he can act like he has these qualities?

Isn't that his job, an actor?

Wait, has anyone seen him act as Bond yet? Has anyone been lucky enough to see the screentests?

No.

Thus the only thing 'Craig Bashers' can go on is his image.

'He doesn't look like my vision of what Bond looks like therefore...

a)He's ugly.
b)He sucks.
c)The movie will suck.
d)The franchise is dead.
e)The world is gonna explode!

Face it, personally you may not like how he looks, but he's not ugly or repugnant. The producers wouldn't have selected him if he was. They have eyes you know.

Try reserving your judgement until a couple frames of celluloid from CR has actually passed through the projector, or better still, until you've finished watching the entire movie.

And really, don't act like you're gonna boycott or whatever cause you know, if you're a true Bond fan, come November 17th 2006, you'll be in line to see it.

[Alessandra]

This thread is so silly.

It's all about looks no matter how you wish to disguise it.

'Presence', 'Charisma'? That's so subjective.

Is it important that the actor portraying Bond actually have these qualities or is it important that he can act like he has these qualities?

Isn't that his job, an actor?

Wait, has anyone seen him act as Bond yet? Has anyone been lucky enough to see the screentests?

No.

Thus the only thing 'Craig Bashers' can go on is his image.

'He doesn't look like my vision of what Bond looks like therefore...

a)He's ugly.
b)He sucks.
c)The movie will suck.
d)The franchise is dead.
e)The world is gonna explode!

Face it, personally you may not like how he looks, but he's not ugly or repugnant. The producers wouldn't have selected him if he was. They have eyes you know.

Try reserving your judgement until a couple frames of celluloid from CR has actually passed through the projector, or better still, until you've finished watching the entire movie.

And really, don't act like you're gonna boycott or whatever cause you know, if you're a true Bond fan, come November 17th 2006, you'll be in line to see it.

Felix but why do you at all read if you find it so silly?? you like to torture yourself?
we have a right to our opinions whatever they are, and yes this thread is fun for most of us, we just enjoy and have fun.
regarding the fact of what is important for an actor, sorry I do not agree.
An actor needs not only to act the part but to LOOK the part too. Basic rule of casting.
Craig doesn't look the part at all.
And yes he is ugly.
points we are making here is that big audiences have welcomed him badly because he doesn't at all LOOK like Bond. It doesn't matter how well he can act, some people are just not right for certain roles, no matter how good they act.
Al Pacino is terrific, but could never be Bond. Robert De Niro is a great actor, but could never be Bond.
Craig has none of the physical characteristics, style and charm we know Bond for, and it doesn't matter if he is a good actor, he just doesn't look the part to us. It's just an opinion, but we're more than entitled to have it and voice it.
Personally, I don't go see Bond if I don't at all like the man who's portraying Bond himself. So far I've always liked them in a way or another.
But with Craig, I feel like I'm not going to see a Bond movie at all. And I won't go, it's the only means I have to make producers understand I don't share their point of view.
the general public too is very much against this because of Craig.
there are numerous points that have been made here, and not all of them relate to what you put in your list.
I do encourage you though, if you find this silly, to just ignore us.
you're more than entitled to have your opinion which is absolutely respectable. But so are we.
ciao!
Alessandra

Edited by Alessandra, 17 October 2005 - 04:24 PM.

[Alessandra]

I can only hope that after they'll loose huge amount of money on Casino Royale that stupid bitch Broccoli will loose her power over Bond and that Sony'll call for Brosnan to get back.

Is that *really* necessary?

I'm not going to say Craig is perfect, but anyone who bangs on about how he's the worst Bond ever, the whole franchise is doomed, Broccoli's a bitch or EON are a bunch of morons isn't really contributing anything meaningful to the discussion, in my view.

Agreed Spy. Vince, first of all welcome. We all have our reserves on Craig, but we just try and point them out without *ahem* exaggerating with terms or trying to be too distructive. I do understand your point, trust, me, only just maybe we can do it with a bit more humour and lightness???
again, welcome.
Alessandra

What's really sad in my eyes is not that people are disagreeing. They have every right. It's just so many of those who disagree with Craig or EON, etc., seem to take that view without adding anything fresh, as Spy pointed out. And so many joined CBn just to show this to whoever on the net wants to see it. Sad, really.

Agreed --- nothing fresh from the "boobirds" at all.

I will wager $100 (with proceeds going to charity) the following:

*** Casino Royale will be a smashing success (maybe not approaching DAD box office, but sufficiently close to reestablish the strength and longevity of the Bond franchise).

*** Daniel Craig will be one more than one mass-market periodical (e.g., Entertainment Weekly, People, US, etc.) list of sexiest men before Summer 2007.

Anyone up for it? This requires a little more "brass" than Chemin de Fer or Texas Hold 'Em...

lol Tony. you're always up for risk. are you sure it isn't actually YOU who's the real Bond?

Alessandra, you may just be right...

I do have better hair than Mr. Craig, but I'll have to wait before a 100% Italian-American gets the job.

Right Tony! you're 100% American Italian, and I'm Italian.. I hear you!
we will come to a point when our roles in Hollywood won't be just those of mafia gangsters! (well actually.. Cucinotta already had a little cameo in Bond.. and Daniela Bianchi is one of the most beautiful Bond girls ever, so us girls have had our share! )
lol I'm POSITIVE you have better hair than Craig. Just go over to Eon and tell them you're the real deal!

[WC]

This thread is so silly.

It's all about looks no matter how you wish to disguise it.

'Presence', 'Charisma'? That's so subjective.

Is it important that the actor portraying Bond actually have these qualities or is it important that he can act like he has these qualities?

Isn't that his job, an actor?

Wait, has anyone seen him act as Bond yet? Has anyone been lucky enough to see the screentests?

No.

Thus the only thing 'Craig Bashers' can go on is his image.

'He doesn't look like my vision of what Bond looks like therefore...

a)He's ugly.
b)He sucks.
c)The movie will suck.
d)The franchise is dead.
e)The world is gonna explode!

Face it, personally you may not like how he looks, but he's not ugly or repugnant. The producers wouldn't have selected him if he was. They have eyes you know.

Try reserving your judgement until a couple frames of celluloid from CR has actually passed through the projector, or better still, until you've finished watching the entire movie.

And really, don't act like you're gonna boycott or whatever cause you know, if you're a true Bond fan, come November 17th 2006, you'll be in line to see it.

Well you're damned right Craig doesn't look like my idea of Bond. Here's what I truly imagine Bond should look like: (and no, I don't mean Dalton in the pic):



We all make Bond in our own image. Even if we're a cat!

[Alessandra]

This thread is so silly.

It's all about looks no matter how you wish to disguise it.

'Presence', 'Charisma'? That's so subjective.

Is it important that the actor portraying Bond actually have these qualities or is it important that he can act like he has these qualities?

Isn't that his job, an actor?

Wait, has anyone seen him act as Bond yet? Has anyone been lucky enough to see the screentests?

No.

Thus the only thing 'Craig Bashers' can go on is his image.

'He doesn't look like my vision of what Bond looks like therefore...

a)He's ugly.
b)He sucks.
c)The movie will suck.
d)The franchise is dead.
e)The world is gonna explode!

Face it, personally you may not like how he looks, but he's not ugly or repugnant. The producers wouldn't have selected him if he was. They have eyes you know.

Try reserving your judgement until a couple frames of celluloid from CR has actually passed through the projector, or better still, until you've finished watching the entire movie.

And really, don't act like you're gonna boycott or whatever cause you know, if you're a true Bond fan, come November 17th 2006, you'll be in line to see it.

Well you're damned right Craig doesn't look like my idea of Bond. Here's what I truly imagine Bond should look like: (and no, I don't mean Dalton in the pic):



We all make Bond in our own image. Even if we're a cat!

LOL
how long did you work to make this?? very funny!

[Felix_Leiter]

This thread is so silly.

It's all about looks no matter how you wish to disguise it.

'Presence', 'Charisma'? That's so subjective.

Is it important that the actor portraying Bond actually have these qualities or is it important that he can act like he has these qualities?

Isn't that his job, an actor?

Wait, has anyone seen him act as Bond yet? Has anyone been lucky enough to see the screentests?

No.

Thus the only thing 'Craig Bashers' can go on is his image.

'He doesn't look like my vision of what Bond looks like therefore...

a)He's ugly.
b)He sucks.
c)The movie will suck.
d)The franchise is dead.
e)The world is gonna explode!

Face it, personally you may not like how he looks, but he's not ugly or repugnant. The producers wouldn't have selected him if he was. They have eyes you know.

Try reserving your judgement until a couple frames of celluloid from CR has actually passed through the projector, or better still, until you've finished watching the entire movie.

And really, don't act like you're gonna boycott or whatever cause you know, if you're a true Bond fan, come November 17th 2006, you'll be in line to see it.

Felix but why do you at all read if you find it so silly?? you like to torture yourself?
we have a right to our opinions whatever they are, and yes this thread is fun for most of us, we just enjoy and have fun.
regarding the fact of what is important for an actor, sorry I do not agree.
An actor needs not only to act the part but to LOOK the part too. Basic rule of casting.
Craig doesn't look the part at all.
And yes he is ugly.
points we are making here is that big audiences have welcomed him badly because he doesn't at all LOOK like Bond. It doesn't matter how well he can act, some people are just not right for certain roles, no matter how good they act.
Al Pacino is terrific, but could never be Bond. Robert De Niro is a great actor, but could never be Bond.
Craig has none of the physical characteristics, style and charm we know Bond for, and it doesn't matter if he is a good actor, he just doesn't look the part to us. It's just an opinion, but we're more than entitled to have it and voice it.
Personally, I don't go see Bond if I don't at all like the man who's portraying Bond himself. So far I've always liked them in a way or another.
But with Craig, I feel like I'm not going to see a Bond movie at all. And I won't go, it's the only means I have to make producers understand I don't share their point of view.
the general public too is very much against this because of Craig.
there are numerous points that have been made here, and not all of them relate to what you put in your list.
I do encourage you though, if you find this silly, to just ignore us.
you're more than entitled to have your opinion which is absolutely respectable. But so are we.
ciao!
Alessandra

Of course you have a right to your opinion, I'm just pointing out how weak the foundation for your opinion is. A subjective view on an actor's looks is hardly reason to condemn his potential performance and the film, especially when you haven't seen it yet.

[Felix_Leiter]

and I need that 'welshcast' puppet. he's hilarious!

[Alessandra]

This thread is so silly.

It's all about looks no matter how you wish to disguise it.

'Presence', 'Charisma'? That's so subjective.

Is it important that the actor portraying Bond actually have these qualities or is it important that he can act like he has these qualities?

Isn't that his job, an actor?

Wait, has anyone seen him act as Bond yet? Has anyone been lucky enough to see the screentests?

No.

Thus the only thing 'Craig Bashers' can go on is his image.

'He doesn't look like my vision of what Bond looks like therefore...

a)He's ugly.
b)He sucks.
c)The movie will suck.
d)The franchise is dead.
e)The world is gonna explode!

Face it, personally you may not like how he looks, but he's not ugly or repugnant. The producers wouldn't have selected him if he was. They have eyes you know.

Try reserving your judgement until a couple frames of celluloid from CR has actually passed through the projector, or better still, until you've finished watching the entire movie.

And really, don't act like you're gonna boycott or whatever cause you know, if you're a true Bond fan, come November 17th 2006, you'll be in line to see it.

Felix but why do you at all read if you find it so silly?? you like to torture yourself?
we have a right to our opinions whatever they are, and yes this thread is fun for most of us, we just enjoy and have fun.
regarding the fact of what is important for an actor, sorry I do not agree.
An actor needs not only to act the part but to LOOK the part too. Basic rule of casting.
Craig doesn't look the part at all.
And yes he is ugly.
points we are making here is that big audiences have welcomed him badly because he doesn't at all LOOK like Bond. It doesn't matter how well he can act, some people are just not right for certain roles, no matter how good they act.
Al Pacino is terrific, but could never be Bond. Robert De Niro is a great actor, but could never be Bond.
Craig has none of the physical characteristics, style and charm we know Bond for, and it doesn't matter if he is a good actor, he just doesn't look the part to us. It's just an opinion, but we're more than entitled to have it and voice it.
Personally, I don't go see Bond if I don't at all like the man who's portraying Bond himself. So far I've always liked them in a way or another.
But with Craig, I feel like I'm not going to see a Bond movie at all. And I won't go, it's the only means I have to make producers understand I don't share their point of view.
the general public too is very much against this because of Craig.
there are numerous points that have been made here, and not all of them relate to what you put in your list.
I do encourage you though, if you find this silly, to just ignore us.
you're more than entitled to have your opinion which is absolutely respectable. But so are we.
ciao!
Alessandra

Of course you have a right to your opinion, I'm just pointing out how weak the foundation for your opinion is. A subjective view on an actor's looks is hardly reason to condemn his potential performance and the film, especially when you haven't seen it yet.

I get your point Felix. But the subjective view I have of an actor is what makes me decide whether I like him or not for a certain role. And makes me decide whether I want to see the movie or not.
which is what the big public will do.
The vast public doesn't care about Fleming and being "bondian".. they care about what they know about Bond, and they've always seen a certain type of Bond. They don't side with Craig because they don't see him as Bond.
all the others were well received... except maybe for Lazenby. Dalton DID look the part and people could see him as Bond. Same for all the others.
Craig doesn't look the part and people don't see him as their "idea" of Bond if you see what I mean.
Anyway... I'm glad we clarified the point..
and that you like Welshcat's muppet!!
Found it hilarious myself.

[WC]

This thread is so silly.

It's all about looks no matter how you wish to disguise it.

'Presence', 'Charisma'? That's so subjective.

Is it important that the actor portraying Bond actually have these qualities or is it important that he can act like he has these qualities?

Isn't that his job, an actor?

Wait, has anyone seen him act as Bond yet? Has anyone been lucky enough to see the screentests?

No.

Thus the only thing 'Craig Bashers' can go on is his image.

'He doesn't look like my vision of what Bond looks like therefore...

a)He's ugly.
b)He sucks.
c)The movie will suck.
d)The franchise is dead.
e)The world is gonna explode!

Face it, personally you may not like how he looks, but he's not ugly or repugnant. The producers wouldn't have selected him if he was. They have eyes you know.

Try reserving your judgement until a couple frames of celluloid from CR has actually passed through the projector, or better still, until you've finished watching the entire movie.

And really, don't act like you're gonna boycott or whatever cause you know, if you're a true Bond fan, come November 17th 2006, you'll be in line to see it.

Well you're damned right Craig doesn't look like my idea of Bond. Here's what I truly imagine Bond should look like: (and no, I don't mean Dalton in the pic):



We all make Bond in our own image. Even if we're a cat!

LOL
how long did you work to make this?? very funny!

Thanks! Glad you liked it! Actually, I don't think it took me all that long. I must've done it about 5 or more years ago. Certainly way before DAD ever came out. I quite like the idea of an all-Welsh cast!

Perhaps they could even speak in Welsh? Think audiences might appreciate that?

[Felix_Leiter]

This thread is so silly.

It's all about looks no matter how you wish to disguise it.

'Presence', 'Charisma'? That's so subjective.

Is it important that the actor portraying Bond actually have these qualities or is it important that he can act like he has these qualities?

Isn't that his job, an actor?

Wait, has anyone seen him act as Bond yet? Has anyone been lucky enough to see the screentests?

No.

Thus the only thing 'Craig Bashers' can go on is his image.

'He doesn't look like my vision of what Bond looks like therefore...

a)He's ugly.
b)He sucks.
c)The movie will suck.
d)The franchise is dead.
e)The world is gonna explode!

Face it, personally you may not like how he looks, but he's not ugly or repugnant. The producers wouldn't have selected him if he was. They have eyes you know.

Try reserving your judgement until a couple frames of celluloid from CR has actually passed through the projector, or better still, until you've finished watching the entire movie.

And really, don't act like you're gonna boycott or whatever cause you know, if you're a true Bond fan, come November 17th 2006, you'll be in line to see it.

Felix but why do you at all read if you find it so silly?? you like to torture yourself?
we have a right to our opinions whatever they are, and yes this thread is fun for most of us, we just enjoy and have fun.
regarding the fact of what is important for an actor, sorry I do not agree.
An actor needs not only to act the part but to LOOK the part too. Basic rule of casting.
Craig doesn't look the part at all.
And yes he is ugly.
points we are making here is that big audiences have welcomed him badly because he doesn't at all LOOK like Bond. It doesn't matter how well he can act, some people are just not right for certain roles, no matter how good they act.
Al Pacino is terrific, but could never be Bond. Robert De Niro is a great actor, but could never be Bond.
Craig has none of the physical characteristics, style and charm we know Bond for, and it doesn't matter if he is a good actor, he just doesn't look the part to us. It's just an opinion, but we're more than entitled to have it and voice it.
Personally, I don't go see Bond if I don't at all like the man who's portraying Bond himself. So far I've always liked them in a way or another.
But with Craig, I feel like I'm not going to see a Bond movie at all. And I won't go, it's the only means I have to make producers understand I don't share their point of view.
the general public too is very much against this because of Craig.
there are numerous points that have been made here, and not all of them relate to what you put in your list.
I do encourage you though, if you find this silly, to just ignore us.
you're more than entitled to have your opinion which is absolutely respectable. But so are we.
ciao!
Alessandra

Of course you have a right to your opinion, I'm just pointing out how weak the foundation for your opinion is. A subjective view on an actor's looks is hardly reason to condemn his potential performance and the film, especially when you haven't seen it yet.

I get your point Felix. But the subjective view I have of an actor is what makes me decide whether I like him or not for a certain role. And makes me decide whether I want to see the movie or not.
which is what the big public will do.
The vast public doesn't care about Fleming and being "bondian".. they care about what they know about Bond, and they've always seen a certain type of Bond. They don't side with Craig because they don't see him as Bond.
all the others were well received... except maybe for Lazenby. Dalton DID look the part and people could see him as Bond. Same for all the others.
Craig doesn't look the part and people don't see him as their "idea" of Bond if you see what I mean.
Anyway... I'm glad we clarified the point..
and that you like Welshcat's muppet!!
Found it hilarious myself.

Hey, I'll give you he's no Tom Cruise, but he's no Gary Shandling either!

I guess Box Office and reviews by the critics will end up settling this debate.

Cheers,
Felix

[Bond Bug]

Do you think the producers will realise the mistake they have made and look at all these polls with Craig on 10-13% approval rating and get another actor before filming begins?

Remember Michael J Fox was brought into Back to the Future after the previous actor had began filming and the movie went on to be one of the biggest hits ever.

Could this happen with Casino Royale?

[tonymascia1]

Very impressive, Felix and Alessandra ---

would that all domestic disputes ended this nicely...

[Dalton's Wendy]

This thread is so silly.

It's all about looks no matter how you wish to disguise it.

'Presence', 'Charisma'? That's so subjective.

Is it important that the actor portraying Bond actually have these qualities or is it important that he can act like he has these qualities?

Isn't that his job, an actor?

Wait, has anyone seen him act as Bond yet? Has anyone been lucky enough to see the screentests?

No.

Thus the only thing 'Craig Bashers' can go on is his image.

'He doesn't look like my vision of what Bond looks like therefore...

a)He's ugly.
b)He sucks.
c)The movie will suck.
d)The franchise is dead.
e)The world is gonna explode!

Face it, personally you may not like how he looks, but he's not ugly or repugnant. The producers wouldn't have selected him if he was. They have eyes you know.

Try reserving your judgement until a couple frames of celluloid from CR has actually passed through the projector, or better still, until you've finished watching the entire movie.

And really, don't act like you're gonna boycott or whatever cause you know, if you're a true Bond fan, come November 17th 2006, you'll be in line to see it.

Well you're damned right Craig doesn't look like my idea of Bond. Here's what I truly imagine Bond should look like: (and no, I don't mean Dalton in the pic):



We all make Bond in our own image. Even if we're a cat!

WELSHCAT:

That poster is one of the funniest things I have ever seen! It is nothing short of brilliant!

It would, for me, be perfect, if you could find a way to somehow, some way, include mention of the greatest Welsh actor of them all -- the late Richard Burton.

[pgram]

Just a point here, on what Bond bug suggested.

Craig is not Bond #6, he is #7, if we include John Gavin. True, he has never played Bond, but neither has Craig. Not yet.

[Dalton's Wendy]

Just a point here, on what Bond bug suggested.

Craig is not Bond #6, he is #7, if we include John Gavin. True, he has never played Bond, but neither has Craig. Not yet.

Or another number altogether, if you include Barry Nelson, David Niven, and Peter Sellers -- as some people's lists do!

[pgram]

You are right, Wendy, but my point is different....

[tonymascia1]

Since this thread seems to debate the subjective merits of "looks" and "charisma", I'd like the people who find Daniel Craig unattractive or "unBondian" to give their opinions of how Sean Connery looked in both DAF and in NSNA.

[pgram]

He looked excellent! Elegance, powerful presence on the silver screen, class, imposing abilities and gracious movement is not about just looks. Sean had it, you can still see it today. Roger had it. George had it. Pierce and Timothy almost had it. I wish Craig has it. I don't think so, from what I 've seen so far, but I do wish he does.

[avl]

Do you think the producers will realise the mistake they have made and look at all these polls with Craig on 10-13% approval rating and get another actor before filming begins?

Could this happen with Casino Royale?

And the answer is - no

[WC]

WELSHCAT:

That poster is one of the funniest things I have ever seen!  It is nothing short of brilliant!

It would, for me, be perfect, if you could find a way to somehow, some way, include mention of the greatest Welsh actor of them all -- the late Richard Burton.

Wendy, thank you for the kind words! Very flattering. I guess you like the Dalton touch in it?

Richard Burton? Hmmm.. have to think about that one. He would've been good as "M" perhaps. Dunno. The poster was done about 5 years ago or so. I guess I could try to find the original image and revamp it in some way.

[avl]

He looked excellent! Elegance, powerful presence on the silver screen, class, imposing abilities and gracious movement is not about just looks. Sean had it, you can still see it today. Roger had it. George had it. Pierce and Timothy almost had it. I wish Craig has it. I don't think so, from what I 've seen so far, but I do wish he does.

All you (or any of us) have seen so far is a press conference. The whole point is - let Craig have a go. If he sucks in CR, come back and tell us then, we might agree with you. Until then - give him a chance!!

[Alessandra]

This thread is so silly.

It's all about looks no matter how you wish to disguise it.

'Presence', 'Charisma'? That's so subjective.

Is it important that the actor portraying Bond actually have these qualities or is it important that he can act like he has these qualities?

Isn't that his job, an actor?

Wait, has anyone seen him act as Bond yet? Has anyone been lucky enough to see the screentests?

No.

Thus the only thing 'Craig Bashers' can go on is his image.

'He doesn't look like my vision of what Bond looks like therefore...

a)He's ugly.
b)He sucks.
c)The movie will suck.
d)The franchise is dead.
e)The world is gonna explode!

Face it, personally you may not like how he looks, but he's not ugly or repugnant. The producers wouldn't have selected him if he was. They have eyes you know.

Try reserving your judgement until a couple frames of celluloid from CR has actually passed through the projector, or better still, until you've finished watching the entire movie.

And really, don't act like you're gonna boycott or whatever cause you know, if you're a true Bond fan, come November 17th 2006, you'll be in line to see it.

Well you're damned right Craig doesn't look like my idea of Bond. Here's what I truly imagine Bond should look like: (and no, I don't mean Dalton in the pic):



We all make Bond in our own image. Even if we're a cat!

LOL
how long did you work to make this?? very funny!

Thanks! Glad you liked it! Actually, I don't think it took me all that long. I must've done it about 5 or more years ago. Certainly way before DAD ever came out. I quite like the idea of an all-Welsh cast!

Perhaps they could even speak in Welsh? Think audiences might appreciate that?

Lol now you MAY have a LITTLE problem at the box office there with the Welsh..!!!

[pgram]

Exactly what I said: I wish he does.

What does give him a chance mean? Let's suppose I don't give him a chance. Will he not make the film? Of course I give him a chance; it is not up to me, you know. I just have to.

So, what does give him a chance mean? Stop posting, maybe? Or lie about how I see him?

If you care to look at my posts (and not just mine) you 'll see that our criticisms are either on a fun base, or on a suggestion basis. I said I liked him as a chap in the PC, I suggested he could be an ambassador for Liverpool 2008, I recommended he should have sideburns, I hoped they did good promotion, and many more.

This is just trivial conversation, you know. It is just for fun, since it has no impact on the actual results. While I was waiting to see the announcement in the news, there were other issues on, a lot more important than who is to play a role in a film, no matter how I love Bond for 22 years or so...

Edited by pgram, 17 October 2005 - 09:57 PM.

[Alessandra]

This thread is so silly.

It's all about looks no matter how you wish to disguise it.

'Presence', 'Charisma'? That's so subjective.

Is it important that the actor portraying Bond actually have these qualities or is it important that he can act like he has these qualities?

Isn't that his job, an actor?

Wait, has anyone seen him act as Bond yet? Has anyone been lucky enough to see the screentests?

No.

Thus the only thing 'Craig Bashers' can go on is his image.

'He doesn't look like my vision of what Bond looks like therefore...

a)He's ugly.
b)He sucks.
c)The movie will suck.
d)The franchise is dead.
e)The world is gonna explode!

Face it, personally you may not like how he looks, but he's not ugly or repugnant. The producers wouldn't have selected him if he was. They have eyes you know.

Try reserving your judgement until a couple frames of celluloid from CR has actually passed through the projector, or better still, until you've finished watching the entire movie.

And really, don't act like you're gonna boycott or whatever cause you know, if you're a true Bond fan, come November 17th 2006, you'll be in line to see it.

Felix but why do you at all read if you find it so silly?? you like to torture yourself?
we have a right to our opinions whatever they are, and yes this thread is fun for most of us, we just enjoy and have fun.
regarding the fact of what is important for an actor, sorry I do not agree.
An actor needs not only to act the part but to LOOK the part too. Basic rule of casting.
Craig doesn't look the part at all.
And yes he is ugly.
points we are making here is that big audiences have welcomed him badly because he doesn't at all LOOK like Bond. It doesn't matter how well he can act, some people are just not right for certain roles, no matter how good they act.
Al Pacino is terrific, but could never be Bond. Robert De Niro is a great actor, but could never be Bond.
Craig has none of the physical characteristics, style and charm we know Bond for, and it doesn't matter if he is a good actor, he just doesn't look the part to us. It's just an opinion, but we're more than entitled to have it and voice it.
Personally, I don't go see Bond if I don't at all like the man who's portraying Bond himself. So far I've always liked them in a way or another.
But with Craig, I feel like I'm not going to see a Bond movie at all. And I won't go, it's the only means I have to make producers understand I don't share their point of view.
the general public too is very much against this because of Craig.
there are numerous points that have been made here, and not all of them relate to what you put in your list.
I do encourage you though, if you find this silly, to just ignore us.
you're more than entitled to have your opinion which is absolutely respectable. But so are we.
ciao!
Alessandra

Of course you have a right to your opinion, I'm just pointing out how weak the foundation for your opinion is. A subjective view on an actor's looks is hardly reason to condemn his potential performance and the film, especially when you haven't seen it yet.

I get your point Felix. But the subjective view I have of an actor is what makes me decide whether I like him or not for a certain role. And makes me decide whether I want to see the movie or not.
which is what the big public will do.
The vast public doesn't care about Fleming and being "bondian".. they care about what they know about Bond, and they've always seen a certain type of Bond. They don't side with Craig because they don't see him as Bond.
all the others were well received... except maybe for Lazenby. Dalton DID look the part and people could see him as Bond. Same for all the others.
Craig doesn't look the part and people don't see him as their "idea" of Bond if you see what I mean.
Anyway... I'm glad we clarified the point..
and that you like Welshcat's muppet!!
Found it hilarious myself.

Hey, I'll give you he's no Tom Cruise, but he's no Gary Shandling either!

I guess Box Office and reviews by the critics will end up settling this debate.

Cheers,
Felix

LMAO!! hadn't thought about Gary Shandling in a LONG while (just to keep my dreams nice!! lol )
Tom Cruise instead... aaahh Top Gun was on last night.... man I just can't help loving the movie everytime i see it (and I've ALREADY seen it 46 times.. NO KIDDING!!!).. it's a part of my teenage years! lol
Of course Box Office and reviews will settle everything up..... it's just difficult to see in the crystal ball right now, so everyone rightly stands by their own opinion!

wait a minute.. should we rent a crystal ball??

[avl]

Exactly what I said: I wish he does.

What does give him a chance mean? Let's suppose I don't give him a chance. Will he not make the film? Of course I give him a chance; it is not up to me, you know. I just have to.

So, what does give him a chance mean? Stop posting, maybe? Or lie about how I see him?

If you care to look at my posts (and not just mine) you 'll see that our criticisms are either on a fun base, or on a suggestion basis. I said I liked him as a chap in the PR, I suggested he could be an ambassador for Liverpool 2008, I recommended he should have sideburns, I hoped they did good promotion, and many more.

This is just trivial conversation, you know. It is just for fun, since it has no impact on the actual results. While I was waiting to see the announcement in the news, there were other issues on, a lot more important than who is to play a role in a film, no matter how I love Bond for 22 years or so...

Fair enough. Guess I was reacting to what an overall sense that people were prejudiced against Craig and not prepared to give him a chance by actually watching the film. Nothing personal...strictly business

[Alessandra]

Very impressive, Felix and Alessandra ---

would that all domestic disputes ended this nicely...

You suggesting that Felix and I should go on TV and have our very own counseling show?? LOL
you know that sort of thing where people go tell everyone their own business. and show anchors are always looking so wise and always have a solution (yea I hear you.. that sort of cr.ap lol )
How's that Felix??
well since Tony is the star which I will introduce to Eon to become Bond, we sort of are second to him... but TV income is not so bad either... LOL
And I'll always have my agent revenue from the contracts I will make Tony sign... LOL

[Dalton's Wendy]

Perhaps they could even speak in Welsh? Think audiences might appreciate that?

Lol now you MAY have a LITTLE problem at the box office there with the Welsh..!!!

Not if they screen it in Cardiff!

[Colonel Moon]

Tom Cruise instead... aaahh Top Gun was on last night.... man I just can't help loving the movie everytime i see it (and I've ALREADY seen it 46 times.. NO KIDDING!!!).. it's a part of my teenage years! lol
Of course Box Office and reviews will settle everything up..... it's just difficult to see in the crystal ball right now, so everyone rightly stands by their own opinion!

wait a minute.. should we rent a crystal ball??

Take my breath away