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[pgram]

I did see it. Pacino is a good one, no doubt about that. Yet, it is not too difficult to steal the film from Keanu Reeves. The guy does not have any of the charismas our Danny has!!!

[Alessandra]

I did see it. Pacino is a good one, no doubt about that. Yet, it is not too difficult to steal the film from Keanu Reeves. The guy does not have any of the charismas our Danny has!!!

ok ok. Seannery and I are doing the Bond 22 casting (we've been appointed a while ago..), you can take the villain's casting, that all right? lol (we of course will supervise)
and HEY I liked Keanu in that movie. lol
but his movie I like most is "the replacements". Ever seen it?? Super hilarious. and on sports! just MY kind of thing

Edited by Alessandra, 15 October 2005 - 10:20 PM.

[pgram]

I am afraid I haven't.
No problem with villain casting. I have already many candidates, the only problem is that so many of them seem not to be actors, and I 'd need to persuade them. You will help, won't you?
Without trying to interfere with Seannery's job, but since you are sports related, what do you think about Sharapova as a leading girl?
And just to keep it thread related, boy is he ugly!!!

Edited by pgram, 16 October 2005 - 12:15 AM.

[WC]

I am afraid I haven't.
No problem with villain casting. I have already many candidates, the only problem is that so many of them seem not to be actors, and I 'd need to persuade them. You will help, won't you?
Without trying to interfere with Seannery's job, but since you are sports related, what do you think about Sarapova as a leading girl?
And just to keep it thread related, boy is he ugly!!!

Maria Sharapova is absolutely gorgeous and the girl of my dreams... but she is 18. And she has grown to 6'2" recently. but probably 6'4" in heels. Way too tall and young and pretty for someone like Craig.

And I want her to concentrate on her tennis so I can actually see her win something these days. Bah! Let's not bring her up in this thread, please. I'm still bummed out about her Moscow loss.

[Dalton's Wendy]

[quote name='Welshcat' date='15 October 2005 - 18:30']
[quote name='pgram' date='15 October 2005 - 22:24']I am afraid I haven't.


Maria Sharapova is absolutely gorgeous and the girl of my dreams... but she is 18. And she has grown to 6'2" recently. but probably 6'4" in heels. Way too tall and young and pretty for someone like Craig.

[/quote]

6'2" is not an insuperable problem, though. Brooke Shields was 6', and she was gorgeous, playing opposite Timothy Dalton in Brenda Starr. And -- she wore high heels, too.

Of course, my Timothy is 6'2 1/2" . . .

[pgram]

Well, Welshcat, this is the anti-Craig thread. And we were talking about Bond 22. Do you really think Ale would get Craig for Bond in 22? I don't think so.
She would not look too bad with Jackman, would she? (That is, of course, if she passes Seanerry's "screentest").

[WC]

Well, Welshcat, this is the anti-Craig thread. And we were talking about Bond 22. Do you really think Ale would get Craig for Bond in 22? I don't think so.
She would not look too bad with Jackman, would she? (That is, of course, if she passes Seanerry's "screentest").

Agghh! Why don't you leave me in my misery, wallowing in her defeat for a while? You have to bring her name into it? My beautiful, all-time favourite tennis player.

Seriously, please try to pick someone else!!

[pgram]

Ok, I guess he 'll have to make do with Kournikova!
Cheers!

[Alessandra]

Well, Welshcat, this is the anti-Craig thread. And we were talking about Bond 22. Do you really think Ale would get Craig for Bond in 22? I don't think so.
She would not look too bad with Jackman, would she? (That is, of course, if she passes Seanerry's "screentest").

Agghh! Why don't you leave me in my misery, wallowing in her defeat for a while? You have to bring her name into it? My beautiful, all-time favourite tennis player.

Seriously, please try to pick someone else!!

Lol guys.. again, you've cracked me up.
Sharapova is absolutely gorgeous, and pgram's right, seannery and I already have an agreement on Hugh Jackman, do you seriously think I would bring Craig back?? LOL
I've met Sharapova in Rome.
Gorgeous. but a bit "manly" in person if you see what I mean. Too tall and definitely too big shoulders for a girl! but still. gorgeous.
now welshcat dear, winning and losing is the essence of sports, and you shouldn't be disappointed about the Moscow loss when your favourite girl has made the top of the tennis rankings this season! she's made it to no.1, well ok she's lost in moscow so what?? other tournaments are coming over and she'll win the next one!
But if you insist that the mention tortures you, then we'll just go for Kournikova as pgram says.
So.. what do you prefer Welsh?? of course final approval goes to Seannery.

PS: ah also. My favourite (as stated elsewhere, since I proposed him for the role of Bond) is Marat Safin. now THAT is as serious challenge to my coronaries and my humour. and you complain about one loss from sharapova??

Edited by Alessandra, 15 October 2005 - 11:53 PM.

[Donovan Mayne-Nicholls]

I didn't like the idea of Craig when it was first mentioned (I was rooting for Owen) but then when the disturbing possibility of a non-Anglo-Saxon soap opera doctor appeared, it made me see things in a different way.
Bond fans are so thick they can praise the worst crap (Raymond Benson anyone?) as long as it doesn't stray from the expected mold. I like Brosnan a lot but he's a real brute of an Irishman. He's been talking in very unflattering terms about the films since at least TND. Did he expect they would bring him back after what's been saying all year? Hell, this movie would have been released next month and it had to be rewritten with a newer Bond in mind. Brosnan's whole attitude makes me distrust the veracity of his claim.
For me it's far more important that Campbell is back on board and that the script is locked three months before pricipal photogarphy, which must be the first time since Dr No! This could end up being one of the best Bonds in ages. I'm sure if OHMSS had had a more possitive warm up it wouldn't have taken twenty years for people to start appreciating. The moment I saw the conference pix I felt that unexplainable rush you feel when there's a new Bond coming and any true Bond fan should know enough to trust the people who's been behind the series all these years.

[Alessandra]

I didn't like the idea of Craig when it was first mentioned (I was rooting for Owen) but then when the disturbing possibility of a non-Anglo-Saxon soap opera doctor appeared, it made me see things in a different way.
    Bond fans are so thick they can praise the worst crap (Raymond Benson anyone?) as long as it doesn't stray from the expected mold. I like Brosnan a lot but he's a real brute of an Irishman. He's been talking in very unflattering terms about the films since at least TND. Did he expect they would bring him back after what's been saying all year? Hell, this movie would have been released next month and it had to be rewritten with a newer Bond in mind. Brosnan's whole attitude makes me distrust the veracity of his claim.
    For me it's far more important that Campbell is back on board and that the script is locked three months before pricipal photogarphy, which must be the first time since Dr No! This could end up being one of the best Bonds in ages. I'm sure if OHMSS had had a more possitive warm up it wouldn't have taken twenty years for people to start appreciating. The moment I saw the conference pix I felt that unexplainable rush you feel when there's a new Bond coming and any true Bond fan should know enough to trust the people who's been behind the series all these years.

I find this very well posted and I respect your point of view.
I am of different opinion, but doesn't change what I stated in the first line
very well posted
Still.. I can't see Craig as Bond at all. He's just not my Bond. all the others were, for different reasons. He isn't. that's it.
I do NOT wish any failure to the movie. at all.
Just for me, Craig cannot be Bond. Explained in many ways here (Well I understand you cannot read all of these pages!!). but that's really it.
I wish the movie all the best, but it doesn't  mean I approve of it.

[Alessandra]

Well, Welshcat, this is the anti-Craig thread. And we were talking about Bond 22. Do you really think Ale would get Craig for Bond in 22? I don't think so.
She would not look too bad with Jackman, would she? (That is, of course, if she passes Seanerry's "screentest").

Agghh! Why don't you leave me in my misery, wallowing in her defeat for a while? You have to bring her name into it? My beautiful, all-time favourite tennis player.

Seriously, please try to pick someone else!!

Back to topic. Welsh, smile dear and make your choice.
I must give Seannery the updated list of Bond girl candidates!

[killkenny kid]

I think it's time to get a glass of wine, put on Michael Buble. And chill out.

[Alessandra]

I am afraid I haven't.
No problem with villain casting. I have already many candidates, the only problem is that so many of them seem not to be actors, and I 'd need to persuade them. You will help, won't you?

of course I will! anytime. I have my ways to convince men (Especially if I'm accompanied by my rugby player friends! lol =

Without trying to interfere with Seannery's job, but since you are sports related, what do you think about Sarapova as a leading girl?
And just to keep it thread related, boy is he ugly!!!

Hm. Sharapova could be a good idea. Let's see what Welsh says after all his pain over the name lol

[WC]

Well, Welshcat, this is the anti-Craig thread. And we were talking about Bond 22. Do you really think Ale would get Craig for Bond in 22? I don't think so.
She would not look too bad with Jackman, would she? (That is, of course, if she passes Seanerry's "screentest").

Agghh! Why don't you leave me in my misery, wallowing in her defeat for a while? You have to bring her name into it? My beautiful, all-time favourite tennis player.

Seriously, please try to pick someone else!!

Back to topic. Welsh, smile dear and make your choice.
I must give Seannery the updated list of Bond girl candidates!

Yeah, thanks, A ... just... leave her out for the moment thanks, if you don't mind. Tell him to go with Kournikova or someone else.

PS - it was the way she lost - and has been losing of late!

Maybe she'll have better luck on my mobile phone game of her.

[pgram]

Ok, now I 'm depressed.
I have Craig's photo in front of me, and just now they are playing DAF on the radio. I just can't combine what I see with what I hear.

[Bondian]

I think it's time to get a glass of wine, put on Michael Buble. And chill out. 

I second that notion.

[SecretAgent007]

This has really brought me down. My poor wife. It's like a bad dream. Yesterday should have been an exciting affair, one of the highlights of the year, but for me it was not. I didn't mind Broz being replaced, but I just can't logically put together what Eon sees in this guy, or for that matter, what so many on CBn see in Craig. If you would have told me last year that the new Bond had light blonde hair, was 5'11" tall and was plain looking (being kind) I wouldn't have believed it. At least there are 20 other movies to watch and Fleming's novels.

[SeanSean]

I have to admit that I am a big Brosnan fan and hate the way he was dismissed from the role. I've always felt that if he had to go, then Clive Owen should be Bond. To me he is just the natural sucessor, much the way Brosnan was for Moore.

Anyway, I never had Craig at the bottom of my list but I had him behind the likes of Owen, Bale, Butler, and McMahon. Initially when he was selected I tried hard to be excited and got caught up in the hoopla. Understand that I am a huge Bond fan, I grew up watching Bond films with my dad. I was born in 1975 and growing up I always wanted to be Roger Moore's James Bond. I want the series to be successful, but the more I think about and look at Craig, the more I think he is the wrong choice.

Just from a physical standpoint, he does not look like Bond. No matter how hard I try to see Bond in him I just can't lie to myself. Bond should be tall, dark, and handsome. Period. Yeah I know Moore didn't have dark hair but he had the looks in spades. I just can't convince myself that Craig is handsome and could get hot chicks. I know that he has bedded some beauties but I frankly can't understand how. When Bond walks into a crowded room, women should stop and look at him. Craig would blend in just fine on the New York City subways that I ride.

Bond should like like he can handle himself in a scuffle. Craig looks scrawny and frail. He doesn't fill out a suit like all of his predecessors. He looked uncomfortable at the press conference in his suit. He just has no physical presence.

I'm also concerned about Craig's ability to play it light at times and have a sense of humor. To me this is crucial. People want to like and be entertained by Bond. They don't want to watch a movie where from beginning to end Bond is humorless and dour. This is where Dalton failed.

I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm bashing Craig, I really don't mean to. I just think that he is miscast. To me, he just doesn't have "It". That larger than life personality that Sean, Roger and Pierce have. The more I see of Craig, the more apparent it becomes.

I watched Layer Cake the other day and for comparison's sake popped in Goldeneye right after. There is no comparison. Pierce is Bond. Connery is Bond. You can just tell by looking at someone. Owen is Bond. Craig is not James Bond.

My enthusiasm for CR is at a low now. I think with the radical changes being planned (No Q, no gadgets, first mission,etc.) the only thing that can save CR from box office failure is a helluva marketing campaign. I hope I am not right but I fear that I am.

Sorry for the rambling post. I just am sad because I think Babs and Mikey are screwing up a really great franchise.

Why couldn't they just pay Clive Owen what he's worth and do a normal but more down to earth Bond film for pete's sake?

[mccartney007]

I'm a rollercoaster of opinions regarding Craig. I don't think he looks the part and I certainly think Brosnan looks just as young as Craig does (maybe not with big grey beard, but...) so they could have brought him back for one or two more. On the other hand, I see something very Flemingesque in Craig that really appeals to me.

Despite what I think of Craig I am very optimistic regarding CASINO ROYALE.

[mccartney007]

He's also the shortest Bond, I might add.

[Tarl_Cabot]

There are Bond fans who loathed Dalton and weathered the brief era and got their Roger Moore of the 90s in Brosnan. There are fans who don't like Brosnan...007 can't please everyone. Just give the film/star a chance with an open mind. If Craig Bombs they will go scout another Bond star who fits the masses' idea of James Bond. I'm not personally looking forward to that day...I'm 35. I don't want or need to see any more stupid Bond films.I'd just assume upgrade my VHS of From Russia with Love to DVD and be done with it...

With Craig, they won't make dumb mistakes like invisible cars or more CGI banality...he won't stand for it. I'm all for quality Bond films or bust/retirement.This is a great chance to refesh this thing...comon, don't be so negative! Put your chips in baby and bet on Craig, Casino Royale!

[Righty007]

Isn't there the Anti-Craig Brigade for negative discussions like this?

[Dmitri Mishkin]

There are Bond fans who loathed Dalton and weathered the brief era and got their Roger Moore of the 90s in Brosnan. There are fans who don't like Brosnan...007 can't please everyone. Just give the film/star a chance with an open mind. If Craig Bombs they will go scout another Bond star who fits the masses' idea of James Bond.

Agreed.

With Craig, they won't make dumb mistakes like invisible cars or more CGI banality...he won't stand for it.

Can we be sure about this? Will Craig stand up to it? Presumably, Brosnan didn't like the invisible cars or CGI either, given he asked for more emphasis on "character." But they still went ahead with it anyway.

[Felix_Leiter]

He's 6 feet tall. What does his height have to do with the matter anyways?

[Felix_Leiter]

Blame the writers about invisible cars and CGI, not the actor.

[Napoleon Solo]

>>He's 6 feet tall. What does his height have to do with the matter anyways? <<

Reportedly, it's always been Eon that's been hung up on height. Tom Mankiewicz, on the "Inside Live and Let Die" documentary said that Albert R. Broccoli "always wanted Bond tall." There was a report that supposedly the reason Ewan McGregor was rejected was for being too short (5-foot, l1 inches).

In any event, I believe Fleming described Bond as being six foot tall. Craig, while the shortest Bond, is the shortest of a relatively tall bunch and still fits the general description of Fleming (at least in terms of how tall he is).

[SeanSean]

Isn't there the Anti-Craig Brigade for negative discussions like this?

Well, my point is that I'm tortured over Craig. I want him to succeed but just am not convinced that he's right for the job.

On that other thread you will find people who want CR to fail just so Craig is fired after his first film. I want him to do well, I am first and foremost a Bond fan. The future of the series now rests on him.

[Felix_Leiter]

6 feet is plenty good. Besides it's not like they are casting for exact description. ie. no facial scar, right?

[Righty007]

Isn't there the Anti-Craig Brigade for negative discussions like this?

Well, my point is that I'm tortured over Craig. I want him to succeed but just am not convinced that he's right for the job.

On that other thread you will find people who want CR to fail just so Craig is fired after his first film. I want him to do well, I am first and foremost a Bond fan. The future of the series now rests on him.

I understand. Welcome to CBn, SeanSean.