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[SecretAgentFan]

 If anyone has seen the 1979 version of Dracula (specifically the scene where Dracula arrives for the dinner party at the beginning of the film), you can hear cues Williams later used as the Imperial March a year later in The Empire Strikes Back.

 

 

In this you are absolutely wrong, Sir.  "The Imperial March" does not sound like anything in "Dracula".

Regarding reusing the Skyfall cue: does anyone complain when Zimmer reuses action themes from Batman Begins in The Dark Knight Rises?

 

People are forgetting that not only is this the same composer as Skyfall, this is a sequel to Skyfall (not to mention a third sequel to CR).

 

I must admit - I was disappointed at first, too, having Newman repeat that action cue here.  But it probably is his way of using the Bond theme - and that´s what Barry also did.  And maybe it is even motivated by the film itself.

[marktmurphy]

And here's Backfire on YouTube:

Thank you! The radio guy with his "Heart rate okay? Blood pressure returning to normal?" was too much of a parody.

You might know him as Poirot's brother

[sharpshooter]

I must admit - I was disappointed at first, too, having Newman repeat that action cue here.  But it probably is his way of using the Bond theme - and that´s what Barry also did.

Yep. I think it's his go-to version in action scenes.

[thecasinoroyale]

Mr Suchet.

And I have faith in Newman - if this is a signature theme for him for Bond having a thrilling chase in a car/bike, it'll echo the excitement of 'Skyfall' but we'll be too wrapped up in the action on screen for sure to moan.

If it worked for Barry, as you say SAF, it'll work here.

[marktmurphy]

Are there samples of old Bond soundtracks in there? Sounds like an echoey trumpet fanfare sample on either side of the choir section.
Sounds like a Goldfinger sample a la GoldenEye.

[SecretAgentFan]

 

 

And here's Backfire on YouTube:

Thank you! The radio guy with his "Heart rate okay? Blood pressure returning to normal?" was too much of a parody.

You might know him as Poirot's brother

 

Jerry, right?

[PeteNeon]

It was great, until it literally becomes that track from Skyfall!

[Guy Haines]

But it isn't as if Newman's predecessors didn't "recycle" music from previous Bond films. John Barry's 007 theme for example - five times.

Perhaps the "Skyfall" bit is a piece of action music - "Newman's Own" if you will ;-) - which he intended to carry over into SP and use as and when. As long as the whole soundtrack doesn't sound like Skyfall revisited then I don't think there's a problem. And on the evidence of the two snippets so far, I don't think it will.

[Navy007Fan]

 

 If anyone has seen the 1979 version of Dracula (specifically the scene where Dracula arrives for the dinner party at the beginning of the film), you can hear cues Williams later used as the Imperial March a year later in The Empire Strikes Back.

 

 

In this you are absolutely wrong, Sir.  "The Imperial March" does not sound like anything in "Dracula".

I respectfully, yet strongly disagree with you, sir.  Watch the scene in question again.  Not its not the main portion of the March, but rather the more subtle portions of the piece (my lack of musical training is limiting my vocabulary and therefore my ability to express myself properly).  None the less, I hear portions of The Empire Strikes Back in the Dracula score.

[SecretAgentFan]

You may hear it - but both themes are very different.

[Orion]

Regarding reusing the Skyfall cue: does anyone complain when Zimmer reuses action themes from Batman Begins in The Dark Knight Rises?

 

People are forgetting that not only is this the same composer as Skyfall, this is a sequel to Skyfall (not to mention a third sequel to CR).

and the words "bring back the OHMSS theme" "Bring back the 007 theme" "Use the WHOLE Bond theme as it was in Dr No" are all things that have turned up on this forum.

[antovolk]

 

Regarding reusing the Skyfall cue: does anyone complain when Zimmer reuses action themes from Batman Begins in The Dark Knight Rises?

 

People are forgetting that not only is this the same composer as Skyfall, this is a sequel to Skyfall (not to mention a third sequel to CR).

and the words "bring back the OHMSS theme" "Bring back the 007 theme" "Use the WHOLE Bond theme as it was in Dr No" are all things that have turned up on this forum.

 

Exactly exactly.

[stromberg]

 

 

 

 

It's either Day of the Dead or Los Muertos Estan Vivos

It's «Spectre», so the Credits Roll track

 

I doubt it. I think they just put "Spectre" on the site just to say that it's from the film.

 

It would explain the heavy use of SF though. And wouldn't they know the track title? At least the knew Donna Lucia.

 

This doesn't sound like an end credits track to me. This is definitely from the PTS, hence using the theme from Grand Bazaar....

 

 

"Day of the Dead" and "Los Muertos Estan Vivos" both feature Tambuco, which is a Mexican percussion group. Not much percussion in "Backfire". And as those are the ones which - by name - should be from the PTS, I doubt that "Backfire" is.

 

My guess: I seem to hear an Oud (a North African/Arabian string instrument) and also some bits of a Moroccan flute. Given the fast pace and rythm in some parts, this should be from the train sequence.

[Navy007Fan]

You may hear it - but both themes are very different

Then we shall agree do disagree  .  I hear a lot of what Williams would later use in Empire in the Dracula score.

[AMC Hornet]

'Space Laser Battle' from Moonraker sounds a lot like the main theme from The Last Valley, another John Barry score.

 

And Michael Kamen had riffs that appear in Die Hard, Lethal Weapon and LTK.

 

They're called signatures, and many musicians and composers have them.

[thecasinoroyale]

But come on, the casual Bond fans and film fans aren't going to suddenly stop and question a familiar theme they've heard in a previous Bond film. They'll be so into the action that the music will only subconsciously drum up the thrills Newman has delivered before with what's on screen. It'l be so effective on screen I know it will.

[Vauxhall]

Radio 3 seem to have had a soundtrack preview and Thomas Newman interview this evening.

https://twitter.com/...691487095984128

Don't suppose anyone heard anything?

[Royal Dalton]

It's here, 48 minutes in, Vauxhall: http://www.bbc.co.uk...rammes/b06gt253

[antovolk]

Oooh thanks - listening to it now....wonder if there's a new track there.

 

EDIT: it's just Backfire again.

Edited by antovolk, 15 October 2015 - 10:38 PM.

[Vauxhall]

Thanks guys. Not near a computer so couldn't check for myself.

[MattofSteel]

Call me crazy, but I hear some Writing's on the Wall hints in "Backfire."

[Mr.Hinx]

Radio 3 seem to have had a soundtrack preview and Thomas Newman interview this evening.

https://twitter.com/...691487095984128

Don't suppose anyone heard anything?

Has this already happend? If not, when is it due to air?

[The Shark]

It's here, 48 minutes in, Vauxhall: http://www.bbc.co.uk...rammes/b06gt253

[The Shark]

My guess: I seem to hear an Oud (a North African/Arabian string instrument) and also some bits of a Moroccan flute. Given the fast pace and rythm in some parts, this should be from the train sequence.

I think the presence of the Middle Eastern instruments is just part of Newman's world music sound. He incorporates disparate colours from different cultures across the globe simply because they create the right mood. i.e. the opening sound that kicks off Backfire (and also heard through many cues in Skyfall, along with Wall-E and others scores) is a bowed Appalachian dulcimer.

And about where the track's title comes from.


 

[x007AceOfSpades]

I do like that the track borrows from "Grand Bazaar/Istanbul" from Skyfall. Love what I hear so far. Can't wait for the soundtrack!

[Mr_Wint]

What the hell is this. Copy and paste from Skyfall score. They didn't pay him enough?

[sharpshooter]

I think the presence of the Middle Eastern instruments is just part of Newman's world music sound. He incorporates disparate colours from different cultures across the globe simply because they create the right mood. i.e. the opening sound that kicks off Backfire (and also heard through many cues in Skyfall, along with Wall-E and others scores) is a bowed Appalachian dulcimer.

Agreed - New Digs is another example given the scene takes place in London.

[Bryce (003)]

Well, I've only heard two tracks and they are derived of the cues in SF to my ear (which are good cues - for THAT film) and there's nothing wrong with that as Barry did do it a lot because he knew what the audience expected. Newman seems to be searching for his own Bond vibe, yet seems to be making a conscious effort to avoid going the classic route, but, after 50+ years, he should embrace it. Barry played around with it for 25 years and put a twist on it for the times and each film and title song. 

 

I'll listen to it full through, probably before I see the the film here in the states, and that is always kind of fun.

 

The Bond theme should be used more as a seasoning than a main ingredient, but done in the spirit it can be fun. The TLD soundtrack is one of my favs. But I need to give it a good listen in full. Once I see it incorporated with the film, I'm sure I'll appreciate it in a different way much as I have certain tracks of all the films.

 

BTW - I haven't calculated all the soundtracks (including '67 CR and NSNA) total run time. Has anyone in a thread somewhere in these 15 years of CBn? Probably...Certainly...Who am I kidding? I just know that I've "Driven for Days" on my five mix discs*

 

*Note to the post MP4 generation re "discs" - These were a recording medium in which one could "build" an order of music that were widely played on computers and in what were considered to be "luxury" automotive sound systems. For a diatribe about audio "cassettes" please kindly consult Jim at his Scorpion farm.

[sharpshooter]

And also to point out, the Bond theme at the end of Backfire is from Brave New World. 

 

I for one like that Newman is being consistent with the Bond sound he established. There's bound to be new content surrounding it, ala Lucia's theme.

[Harmsway]

I understand being a little disappointed in the reuse of material, but the majority of "Backfire" is new material (and good new material at that!).