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[hcmv007]

Going to go into a pro/con about having the original actors in Episode VII

 

Cons

 

-New actors portraying the original characters could generate new fans (See Star Trek)

 

Why is this a con..?

 

 

Like Star Trek fans, Star Wars fans are passionate, caring lot about their favorite property. The 2009 Trek film wasn't and hasn't been fully embraced by the hard core fans, and it could do the same for Star Wars. While I doubt the Star Wars reality will be altered (like Star Trek was in 2009), the hard core fans and the fans of the EU might not embrace the changes that will occur. Trek fans feel William Shatner is their one and only Captain Kirk. Chris Pine did a great job portraying Captain Kirk, and he is a better actor than Shatner, but hard core fans don't accept Pine. IMO, the same thing will be with a new cast-it could generate new fans, but the passionate, hard core fans may not like the new actors, or their interpretation of beloved characters. Sure you get new fans, but will they buy new merchandise, will they buy updated novels and comic books detailing thier new adventures? The hard core fans will. Star Trek is learning that now, it took 2 years after the release of the JJ film to do a follow up comic book series, because despite getting all the new fans, they wouldn't support any follow up material. That's why the novels that keep coming out are based on the unaltered Trek universe, and uses the OS epeisodes as canon. So, that's why I think it can be a con.

 

 

Of course we sci-fi geeks can be a bitchy lot.

[thecasinoroyale]

I feel if we 'Star Wars' geeks fans can accept (slightly) and fund the prequels and accept them in the timeline, then anything different any more grounded will be lapped up for the new trilogy if handled well, as I don't think people can be any more dissapointed with the way the prequels were made and recieved, so anything has to be an improvement and it may work in their favour by doing something different, but new, and so it makes everything seems far greater again!

[SecretAgentFan]

 

Going to go into a pro/con about having the original actors in Episode VII

 

Cons

 

-New actors portraying the original characters could generate new fans (See Star Trek)

 

Why is this a con..?

 

 

Like Star Trek fans, Star Wars fans are passionate, caring lot about their favorite property. The 2009 Trek film wasn't and hasn't been fully embraced by the hard core fans, and it could do the same for Star Wars. While I doubt the Star Wars reality will be altered (like Star Trek was in 2009), the hard core fans and the fans of the EU might not embrace the changes that will occur. Trek fans feel William Shatner is their one and only Captain Kirk. Chris Pine did a great job portraying Captain Kirk, and he is a better actor than Shatner, but hard core fans don't accept Pine. IMO, the same thing will be with a new cast-it could generate new fans, but the passionate, hard core fans may not like the new actors, or their interpretation of beloved characters. Sure you get new fans, but will they buy new merchandise, will they buy updated novels and comic books detailing thier new adventures? The hard core fans will. Star Trek is learning that now, it took 2 years after the release of the JJ film to do a follow up comic book series, because despite getting all the new fans, they wouldn't support any follow up material. That's why the novels that keep coming out are based on the unaltered Trek universe, and uses the OS epeisodes as canon. So, that's why I think it can be a con.

 

 

Of course we sci-fi geeks can be a bitchy lot.

 

I must say: I consider myself a hard core fan, and of course, William Shatner will always be the original Kirk. But I also accepted Chris Pine as the new Kirk. No problem, especially since the re-boot explained itself as an alternate reality. So, nothing to complain about.

 

With STAR WARS, however, that kind of alternate reality was never built in (at least not until now). So re-casting roles is much trickier. If the new films are good I don´t think I will bitch about re-casting. But isn´t the next trilogy still planned as part of one big nine-films-saga? 

 

I think the original actors MUST appear in the new films, at least in the first one, sending out the next generation. Unless the new trilogy starts many years later, with the protagonists of the middle trilogy already glow-in-the-dark-force-inhabitants.

[thecasinoroyale]

I agree SAF - the original actors, or as many as possible, must appear in some form to tie in the original trilogy to these new ones. It's not as if newer/younger fans won't know who Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Princess Leia or Lando Calrissian is thanks for EU books, toys, games and the films of course, so it needs to be done carefully to make sure this is still the 'Star Wars' story we have followed for 35+ years.

 

Lucas always said the prequels will be Anakin Skywalkers journey, the classic trilogy followed Luke Skywalker, so will the Skywalker clan be the leads in the new trilogy, or will that flame be passed to a possible Solo brood?

 

It's exciting thinking of what can be done, it just needs to start on the right, strong foot forward.

[seawolfnyy]

From what I heard, the new trilogy is supposed to take place awhile after RotJ. So in that regard, they may not have to recast anyone as they won't be the main characters, but instead more of secondary characters to the new cast, perhaps they're children. I think they problem would instead arise for a young Han Solo movie, where Solo would have to be recast.

[thecasinoroyale]

Well, playing it safe...

 

 

 

 

Spoiler

 Han and Leia have 3 children who play a huge part in the EU stories and the future of the Jedi and Sith, and also Luke has a son also important to continuing the Skywalker legacy

 

 

 

 

 

... so there is plenty to do with new generations maybe, but original actors either in for 10 minutes or 1 hour will help just link stories and families for a new trilogy!

 

 

Can't wait... 

[007jamesbond]

Maybe Han Solo, Luke, and Leia will have cameo roles just appearing in the start and the end? Luke could be a Yoda like figure being the grand master and head of the jedi council, Leia could be an senator in the new Republic.....I like to see one of the three narrate the connection between the end of ROTJ and transition to SW7 so new fans can understand it better 

We can't also forget Lando as he is a key supporting character hope Bill Dee Willaim will show up too 

 

A narration could be something like "In a galaxy far far away, the day of the Empire and regin of Darth Vader are over, a new period of peace and creation of the New Republic begins, Luke being the head of the Jedi Council and Leia a member of the senator or something like that 

[thecasinoroyale]

Have you read any Expanded Universe novels 007jb?

 

I just don't want to say or not say things now we're in this territory of what could happen and spoil anything by accident! 

[007jamesbond]

yea I have the The Thrawn Trilogy and the jedi prince series, but I think Sw7 will something new away from any of the books but only characters and borrow certain plot elements 

[coco1997]

It's already been confirmed that the new trilogy will be an entirely original story not based on any pre-existing Expanded Universe material.

[seawolfnyy]

That's what I heard too. I'm fine with that. I never really got into any of the expanded universe stuff.

[thecasinoroyale]

Ahh, I've not seen that.

 

Well it's a brave move taking the story away from a canon 30 years in the making from the novels... but this will appeal to everyone anyway, and those not into reading.

[seawolfnyy]

I wouldn't mind seeing a movie version of The Force Unleashed.

[coco1997]

I'd love to see a film based on James Luceno's Darth Plagueis novel from a few years back. Cut in footage from EPISODE I to show how Plagueis (Hego Damask) was present during key scenes and was basically Palpatine's puppet master before Palpatine became the master himself. Showing how a young Count Dooku fell from grace and introducing us to Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas would fill in a lot of holes and could go a long way towards helping fans enjoy the prequels a lot more.

[Iceskater101]

I wouldn't mind seeing a movie version of The Force Unleashed.

 

That would be really cool!

[FlemingBond]

like i said i don't get where the story goes since Sidious and Anakin are dead, but i've got their opening for Ep 7

ship comes down to a planet, dark cloaked figure emerges, several villains engage him. green lightsaber ignites, villains dispatched. Person turns around and lowers cloak...."i had a bad feeling about this" mark hamill as luke skywalker.

[seawolfnyy]

like i said i don't get where the story goes since Sidious and Anakin are dead, but i've got their opening for Ep 7

ship comes down to a planet, dark cloaked figure emerges, several villains engage him. green lightsaber ignites, villains dispatched. Person turns around and lowers cloak...."i had a bad feeling about this" mark hamill as luke skywalker.

Well (not that I'm horribly excited for SW7) you have to see it as the galaxy doesn't end when Anakin dies. There are definitely more stories to tell even if Luke, Leia and Han don't figure into them much. But seeing as J.J. Abrams is involved, I'm positive they will be.

[S K Y F A L L]

"Good. Good! The Force is strong with you, J J Abrams. A powerful director you will become. Henceforth, you shall be known as JAR JAR ABRAMS." 

 

Its still so strange to me that Jar Jar Abrams is directing EPISODE VII. I was reading that Simon Pegg wants Jar Jar to return for a third Star Trek film and make it a trilogy. I always though they would do more then 3 Trek films with the new cast and I'm curious if Disney want Jar Jar for just episode VII or if they hope he'll return for IIX and IX. Seems like with only VII they are playing the field. 

 

Sidious and Anakin are dead, but they could be ghosts. They digitally pasted in Hayden Christensen's Anakin in ROTJ. 

[FlemingBond]

like i said i don't get where the story goes since Sidious and Anakin are dead, but i've got their opening for Ep 7

ship comes down to a planet, dark cloaked figure emerges, several villains engage him. green lightsaber ignites, villains dispatched. Person turns around and lowers cloak...."i had a bad feeling about this" mark hamill as luke skywalker.

Well (not that I'm horribly excited for SW7) you have to see it as the galaxy doesn't end when Anakin dies. There are definitely more stories to tell even if Luke, Leia and Han don't figure into them much. But seeing as J.J. Abrams is involved, I'm positive they will be.

yes, no doubt. it's just the story in ep 1-6... Palpatine taking over the galaxy,,,Anakin's Fall and Redemption... is what those stories are about. whatever comes next i really wouldn't call 'ep 7' since all the threads of those stories are over.

[coco1997]

Well (not that I'm horribly excited for SW7) you have to see it as the galaxy doesn't end when Anakin dies. There are definitely more stories to tell even if Luke, Leia and Han don't figure into them much. But seeing as J.J. Abrams is involved, I'm positive they will be.

My concern comes from the fact that Lucas has been on record for years stating that Episodes VII-IX are unnecessary because the Star Wars films are about the rise, fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. Everything in those six films essentially revolves around him. Sure, I have no doubt that many, many more great Star Wars stories can be told for years to come, but how necessary will they really feel? The antagonist in the new trilogy has to tie into lore from the previous trilogies, I think, and it sure as hell better not involve a resurrected Palpatine or Vader.

[FlemingBond]

That was my point. you can do new Star Wars stories, but not sure what '7' would have to do with 1-6 with those stories seemingly wrapped up.

[thecasinoroyale]

All I can think of is the children of Han and Leia and of Luke and Mara-Jade. They then establish a new Jedi or Sith order and, let's not forget, the remnant of the Imperial fleet still knocking around with wannabe Grand Moffs out to secure power in the galaxy...

[thecasinoroyale]

Harrison Ford set to return as Han Solo in 'Star Wars: Episode VII'? It's a done deal according to Fox...

 

http://www.totalfilm...ars-episode-vii

 

THAT is exciting if 100% true! 

 

[S K Y F A L L]

Can't wait to see that Millennium Falcon again. 

[FlemingBond]

the way he is looking these days i wonder about him in Han's costume

[The Dove]

As long as there are NO Gungans or Ewoks in the new trilogy I'm pumped...and with George Lucas stepping back from the director's role, it truly is "A New Hope.."(pardon the pun) for us Star Wars fans! I wonder if Anthony Daniels will be involved as C-3PO?

[S K Y F A L L]

I was thinking that myself, Anthony Daniels can either be replaced or killed when the time comes but I would guess its most likely that him and R2 will remain in the mix though out the series. I wonder if John Williams will be able to return.  

[thecasinoroyale]

If we get a few more original cast members and John Williams on board, with Harrison Ford and JJ on it, it's looking very promising.

[007jamesbond]

Harrison Ford returning is great! that means Peter mayheww who played Chewbacca should return too! 

 

but what kind of role is yet to be seen...........Hope Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher joins so Anthony Daniels, and Billy Dee William too......all important characters to star wars plus we will have a new cast of new characters both heroes and villain

[coco1997]

Harrison Ford returning is great! that means Peter mayheww who played Chewbacca should return too! 

I doubt we'll see Mayhew returning. Last I heard the guy was in awful physical shape.