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#871 tdalton

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Posted 25 April 2016 - 09:35 PM

I actually like that idea (the accomplishments were diminished by the next generation which did not learn from history but instead sought to repeat it) very much - since it is absolutely realistic.  Unfortunately.

 

I don't think it's the idea that's the problem, but rather the execution.  There's nothing wrong with the idea of the next generation not learning and therefore repeating the same mistakes of their predecessors, but at the same time, some background is needed at the same time.  If we'd been given a more accurate depiction of the power of the different factions, then I think it would have been fine, but The Force Awakens would have you think that The First Order has already replaced the Empire, based on how the film treats them, when that's not the case.  They're treated as an established threat to the galaxy, not one that is still on the rise.



#872 hcmv007

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Posted 01 May 2016 - 08:58 PM

 

December 2016 looks to be as promising as December 2015. When I saw the superlaser being put on the Death Star in the Rogue One trailer it made me think of the engineering joke in one of Kevin Smith's movies (I think it was Clerk's but I may be wrong. Mallrats?)

You mean this scene from Clerks?

 

YES!



#873 thecasinoroyale

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Posted 04 May 2016 - 07:21 AM

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#874 Dustin

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Posted 08 May 2016 - 04:21 PM


I actually like that idea (the accomplishments were diminished by the next generation which did not learn from history but instead sought to repeat it) very much - since it is absolutely realistic. Unfortunately.


I don't think it's the idea that's the problem, but rather the execution. There's nothing wrong with the idea of the next generation not learning and therefore repeating the same mistakes of their predecessors, but at the same time, some background is needed at the same time. If we'd been given a more accurate depiction of the power of the different factions, then I think it would have been fine, but The Force Awakens would have you think that The First Order has already replaced the Empire, based on how the film treats them, when that's not the case. They're treated as an established threat to the galaxy, not one that is still on the rise.


So finally I got to watch TFA too. In general I found it the best Star Wars film in a long time. I can see where the criticism of 'remake' comes from, in many ways it seems to pick up the elements of the original Star Wars and channel them for future entries. But I at least am thankful it's not a re-imagination in the manner the Star Trek universe got at Abram's hands. For Trek that was probably the right decision - though the steam seems to have gone already - for Star Wars and the involvement of the original cast that would have been disastrous.

As for the feeling the rise of the First Order is missing in the tale, that was probably because writers and producers wanted to avoid at all costs starting their new series with another Phantom Menace and a subsequent meandering storyline of how the First Order became what it is. I have to say not only do I understand this, it's also much how I would have tackled the matter. It's also a sadly realistic and only too topical development: winning a war but losing the peace.

And it's not as if missing pieces and developments wasn't already a tradition with Star Wars. The first film saw the rebel's victory over the Death Star, the Empire's most deadly weapon. The second film saw them even more on the run and fighting for dear life as if the victory over the Death Star had meant nothing at all. The same goes for Luke's character, he started out as a talented farmer boy (okay, with the right set of genes), the second shows him having tea and 'shrooms with a Jedi and later losing his hand to some swordplay. And by the third he's suddenly a bad-ass Jedi himself, on par with Vader and easily able to overcome a galaxy-mafia figurehead Han Solo ran away from with good reason. Luke's years as bouncer of some Hell's Angels dive seem to have been lost.

Anyway, I solidly appreciated TFA though I strangely had no desire to rewatch it immediately. Chances are the next films will concentrate on the new characters and probably only then we can really judge how good or bad it is in comparison.

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Posted 09 May 2016 - 04:30 AM

Absolutely, thank you for pointing out the narrative gaps between the original films - now that you mention it, that makes TFA even more "Star Wars"-y.  And I agree: too much exposition never works, and it doesn´t for "Star Wars" at all.



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Posted 15 July 2016 - 02:30 PM

If anyone is interested, the Star Wars Celebration Europe event is live now over this weekend in London with a stream feed here:



It ties in with the Rogue One panel in 30mins from NOW and an expected trailer drop.

Enjoy!

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Posted 16 July 2016 - 12:46 AM

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#878 Dustin

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Posted 16 July 2016 - 10:23 AM

Love the poster, quite atmospheric.

#879 sharpshooter

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Posted 16 July 2016 - 11:44 AM

It's a great poster. 

 

The new continuity Marvel comics are fantastic, too. Definitely worth reading for fans of the franchise. 



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Posted 18 July 2016 - 12:09 AM

Actually Episode 7 will take place a few years after ROTJ so there will be new people playing the main characters. There is no way Harrison Ford would return as Han Solo unless Disney offered him ownership of Disneyland AND Disneyworld.

 

Ha, interesting to read these early thoughts.



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Posted 18 July 2016 - 06:12 AM

So I finally saw TFA on Saturday night and then watched it again with my two older kids on Sunday lunchtime.

 

I thought it was really good. I was a bit sad about Han Solo but the new characters are so good, that I forgot about the droids, Leia and Chewie! I had remained pretty much spoiler free so it looked very fresh to me.

 

Good special effects, and plenty of humour too.

 

Looking forward to the next one now.



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Posted 26 July 2016 - 10:45 AM

Star Wars firm admits charges over Harrison Ford leg break: http://www.bbc.co.uk...-herts-36892759



#883 thecasinoroyale

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Posted 26 July 2016 - 10:53 AM

Criminal charges? Crikey. Sounds a pretty nasty accident. Thanks for posting this!

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Posted 11 August 2016 - 07:14 AM

'Rogue One' trailer due tomorrow/today...



#885 Matt_13

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Posted 12 August 2016 - 03:20 AM

The photography is incredible.

#886 sharpshooter

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Posted 12 August 2016 - 03:22 AM

Here's the trailer. Love the cinematography and locations on show here. The action also looks on point.
https://m.youtube.co...b0y19CGEzUBngMg

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Posted 12 August 2016 - 03:30 PM

Just superb!

 

Lots of respect for Disney and Lucasfilm taking this chance to play outside the box, and it looks to be working. Fantastic looking visuals, a dedicated cast and seems like a real-life version of the exciting battles we have played in many Star Wars games and read in many books since the films.

 

I have high hopes for something totally refreshing in the expanding SW universe after this!

 

:D



#888 Tiin007

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Posted 12 August 2016 - 04:46 PM

I very much appreciate the diversity in storytelling that these anthology films will add to Star Wars lore (even though I'd ditch the Han Solo origin in favor of an Obi-Wan standalone with Ewan McGregor). 

 

Rogue One in particular seems to be a perfect addition to the saga, and visually looks like it will fit in nicely with the original trilogy. One of my biggest concerns was that it would look off, but I think the visuals are just right. 

 

Also looks like a nice new cast of characters. 

 

In some ways I am more excited for this than I was for The Force Awakens. 



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Posted 12 August 2016 - 04:59 PM

Looks beautiful. I have no idea about the story - other than it's about the first Death Star - but at least from the trailer it seems to have a certain charm and intrigue. Up to now I think the new regime behind Lucasfilm is doing fine, also with regards to branch out the universe of SW.

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Posted 12 August 2016 - 05:13 PM

I very much appreciate the diversity in storytelling that these anthology films will add to Star Wars lore (even though I'd ditch the Han Solo origin in favor of an Obi-Wan standalone with Ewan McGregor). 

 

Me too. I think they'll do an Obi Wan film someday. I wonder if his ghost will appear in ep viii...



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Posted 12 August 2016 - 05:24 PM

 

I very much appreciate the diversity in storytelling that these anthology films will add to Star Wars lore (even though I'd ditch the Han Solo origin in favor of an Obi-Wan standalone with Ewan McGregor). 

 

Me too. I think they'll do an Obi Wan film someday. I wonder if his ghost will appear in ep viii...

 

 

It's funny, because I've always felt that if they were going to do these standalone films, an Obi-Wan story would be the most obvious choice. Also much less risk in doing a movie with the already-established McGregor reprising his role than in casting an unknown to tell the origin of Han Solo (which most fans would have rather remained a mystery, and could easily tarnish the character's legacy). Disney's decision here baffles me. 



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Posted 12 August 2016 - 08:07 PM

Boba Fett needs a standalone movie. The fanboys demand it!



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Posted 13 August 2016 - 02:46 PM

 

 

I very much appreciate the diversity in storytelling that these anthology films will add to Star Wars lore (even though I'd ditch the Han Solo origin in favor of an Obi-Wan standalone with Ewan McGregor). 

 

Me too. I think they'll do an Obi Wan film someday. I wonder if his ghost will appear in ep viii...

 

 

It's funny, because I've always felt that if they were going to do these standalone films, an Obi-Wan story would be the most obvious choice. Also much less risk in doing a movie with the already-established McGregor reprising his role than in casting an unknown to tell the origin of Han Solo (which most fans would have rather remained a mystery, and could easily tarnish the character's legacy). Disney's decision here baffles me. 

 

I think they know they have a easy winner with a Obi Wan film. However from what I understand they wont be crossing over between the 'saga' and the anthology films. So they might be waiting to see if McGregor's ObiWan will be used in the saga and if not then maybe a standalone film.


Boba Fett needs a standalone movie. The fanboys demand it!

It is the third planned standalone film, 2020.



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Posted 13 August 2016 - 04:32 PM

Kenny Baker has died.  :sad:

 

https://www.theguard...-dies-star-wars



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Posted 15 August 2016 - 07:20 AM

Very sad news indeed - such a passionate man for the films and fans; only saw him at the London Film & Comic Convention Spring in February making the most of the time signing and meeting fans.

 

A great actor who left a timeless stamp on these films.