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[SecretAgentFan]

With Kasdan and Ford having pushed for Han Solo to die in "Return of the Jedi", both involved in this new film, a set-up that seems to introduce new characters for the remaining films, I could imagine this:

 

- Han Solo dies in this film

- maybe along with Leia

- Luke cannot save them because he resisted the power he would get from the dark side - and afterwards... he surrenders to it and becomes the villain of this last trilogy.

[Call Billy Bob]

With Kasdan and Ford having pushed for Han Solo to die in "Return of the Jedi", both involved in this new film, a set-up that seems to introduce new characters for the remaining films, I could imagine this:

 

- Han Solo dies in this film

- maybe along with Leia

- Luke cannot save them because he resisted the power he would get from the dark side - and afterwards... he surrenders to it and becomes the villain of this last trilogy.

I like your style SAF 

[Dustin]

Is Chewbacca in that concept art also supposed to have an artificial hand? My my my, there's a market for the medical replacement industry in that galaxy...

[x007AceOfSpades]

With Kasdan and Ford having pushed for Han Solo to die in "Return of the Jedi", both involved in this new film, a set-up that seems to introduce new characters for the remaining films, I could imagine this:

 

- Han Solo dies in this film

- maybe along with Leia

- Luke cannot save them because he resisted the power he would get from the dark side - and afterwards... he surrenders to it and becomes the villain of this last trilogy.

I... Can actually see that.

[Major Tallon]

A bit off topic, I recently stumbled on a trilogy of books entitled Shakespeare's Star Wars, by a fellow named Ian Doescher.  In three books -- Verily, A New Hope, The Empire Striketh Back, and The Jedi Doth Return -- he's re-written the screenplays entirely in iambic pentameter, hoping in the process to illustrate some themes that Shakespeare might have appreciated.  We have a character named Chorus beginning with "In time so long ago begins our play; In star-crossed galaxy far, far away."   R2D2 delivers "Beep beep, beep beep, beep squeak, beep beep, beep beep."  There's also the most unexpected stage direction I've ever read:  "Exeunt Droids."

 

They're good fun.  And, as the blurb says, "May the verse be with you."

[S K Y F A L L]

I wont rule it out, Luke turning to the darkside. I think it works well to carry the story forward without Vader but I think it would be to dramatic for mainstream audiences, wouldn't it?

[Iceskater101]

With Kasdan and Ford having pushed for Han Solo to die in "Return of the Jedi", both involved in this new film, a set-up that seems to introduce new characters for the remaining films, I could imagine this:

 

- Han Solo dies in this film

- maybe along with Leia

- Luke cannot save them because he resisted the power he would get from the dark side - and afterwards... he surrenders to it and becomes the villain of this last trilogy.

 

That would actually be rather interesting.

[FlemingBond]

i'm almost expecting them to kill Han. Luke turning bad i just would not accept. no interest in seeing a movie with that.

[SecretAgentFan]

Why not?  It would make sense - having Anakin Skywalker´s son follow in his father´s footsteps.  Who if not he?

[tdalton]

I think such an approach would make things a bit too similar to the original trilogy.  I think that they should just go with a new villain and a fresh direction for the story to go instead of revisiting the idea of a Skywalker turning to the dark side and being the big bad.

[SecretAgentFan]

I agree - and I would prefer Han to survive and Luke to stay "good".

 

But the rumors seem to point to the other direction.  Unless this is J.J. Abrams´ way of misinformation.  Which I would applaud.

[S K Y F A L L]

I always figured Luke might die like Qui Gon in E1 or Obi Wan in E4. He could always return as a ghost too.

 

I know Ford wanted to kill off Solo and maybe he still does so he can focus on another Indy. One can wish.

 

I'm trying not to get caught up in the rumor mill but I've seen alot of the photos, concept art, casting etc and think it all seems to good to be true.

[x007AceOfSpades]

I know Ford wanted to kill off Solo and maybe he still does so he can focus on another Indy. One can wish.

And one can keep on wishing. Disney now owns the Indiana Jones Franchise, and though Harrison Ford wants to do another one, it won't happen. At least any time soon. Disney plans on putting out six Star Wars films over a ten year period, which includes a new trilogy with three films, and three spin off films. The earliest we'll see another Indiana Jones film, 2020 or 2021. By that time, Harrison Ford and/or Steven Spielberg will either be retired or deceased, thus Disney will go ahead with a reboot.

[SecretAgentFan]

Then again - I don´t have the link, unfortunately - there was an interview with Frank Marshall on variety.com a few weeks ago, I think it was about the "Bourne"-franchise and Damon returning.  In this interview Marshall mentioned his next projects, and he did say that the next Indiana Jones movie was on his plate.

 

Granted, that doesn´t mean it is actually ready to roll in 2015.  And Spielberg is doing two films back-to-back again right now.  But it would not be impossible for him to secretly plan "Indy 5" with Ford to film in late 2015.  They know time is running out.  If they don´t do another Ford-Indy in the next two years, the physical demands will be too much on Ford.

[Dustin]

Frankly, I'd rather not have another IJ film any more, it just seems pointless to me. I cannot even blame that on the CRYSTAL SKULL one as I haven't seen that. LAST CRUSADE to me just perfectly wrapped up the series, I never needed see to it revived, and ten years too late at that. Whatever they may come up with, the magic of 1981 and RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK is just not going to come back, not even that of the hilarious first few minutes of TEMPLE OF DOOM. I'd leave it alone for a time. If a similar adventurous franchise with a 1930s setting is desired they could always pick up Doc Savage or The Shadow.

[S K Y F A L L]

There is a rumor John Williams will be doing the music for the E7 trailer soon but I can't find anything about it. I guess I always figured they scored films and just took music from it for the trailer. Anyway here is a video of goats singing the Imperial March:

[The Dove]

http://www.slashfilm...teaser-trailer/

 

I'm skeptical at this and it should be taken with a huge pinch of salt, but if it were to be true, how AWESOME would it be!! I'm also very glad that Mr. Williams is back to score Episode 7...Given that he is 82 (and I'm not trying to sound morbid or anything), I do hope that he'll be with us for a while yet to see the complete new trilogy out and is able to score Episodes VIII and IX!

[S K Y F A L L]

Wouldn't it probably be a teaser trailer first? 

[The Dove]

Yes..they are speculating that this would be the first teaser..

[univex]

http://www.slashfilm...teaser-trailer/

 

I'm skeptical at this and it should be taken with a huge pinch of salt, but if it were to be true, how AWESOME would it be!! I'm also very glad that Mr. Williams is back to score Episode 7...Given that he is 82 (and I'm not trying to sound morbid or anything), I do hope that he'll be with us for a while yet to see the complete new trilogy out and is able to score Episodes VIII and IX!

 

I think I saw an interview with JW regarding the music of ep7. Here we go:

 

 

Brilliant man.

[x007AceOfSpades]

Ehh, he hasn't turned in a great score in quite some time.

[Call Billy Bob]

Ehh, he hasn't turned in a great score in quite some time.

I'm gonna go ahead and forget you said that... 

[The Dove]

Lol.. Me too..

[univex]

Me three..

[seawolfnyy]

I think such an approach would make things a bit too similar to the original trilogy.  I think that they should just go with a new villain and a fresh direction for the story to go instead of revisiting the idea of a Skywalker turning to the dark side and being the big bad.

Problem with that approach is that Star Wars is the story of the Skywalkers. I have this strange feeling with everyone else that Luke will either be the big bad or a part of the big bad.

[Call Billy Bob]

This is true. I hope they do use a Skywalker as a villain, either Luke or one of Han and Leia's kids like in the EU.

[Dustin]

But Luke on the dark side would not be exactly new to the series with Dark Empire and a couple of other stories if memory serves. Disney early on said they would not regard the expanded universe of SW as canonical, which is probably a wise move. But sending Luke Skywalker over the edge would hardly be that original as a move. They could just as well have used the expanded universe then.

Edited by Dustin, 29 October 2014 - 07:15 PM.

[Call Billy Bob]

It's mainly just wishful thinking on my part that they are "inspired" by the EU a little bit. Ever since the "announcement of doom" as I call it, I've been scared to death that I'll walk out of the theater saying to myself "THAT'S not what really happened!" and give up on Episodes VIII and IX completely. Why couldn't we have a straight-up adaptation of the Thrawn trilogy?!? Sigh...

[x007AceOfSpades]

Forget all you want, but what was Williams' last GOOD score? Lincoln? Because I balked at the fact he got an Oscar Nomination for that.

[tdalton]

 

I think such an approach would make things a bit too similar to the original trilogy.  I think that they should just go with a new villain and a fresh direction for the story to go instead of revisiting the idea of a Skywalker turning to the dark side and being the big bad.

Problem with that approach is that Star Wars is the story of the Skywalkers. I have this strange feeling with everyone else that Luke will either be the big bad or a part of the big bad.

 

 

There's no reason that they couldn't go in a fresh direction while retaining the idea of the films being about the Skywalkers.  By having Luke cross over to the dark side, they're telling pretty much the same story they did in the original films, and there really isn't any point in doing that, IMO.