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[jmarks4life]

M's old office, with the double doors, like they bought back at the end of Skyfall.

The door at the end of Skyfall is not a "double door"

But I agree. I feel some nostalgia when I saw Mallory's office and I want it in Bond 24 !

Lol I stand corrected.

[S K Y F A L L]

Like FYEO started off with Tracey's gravestone, Bond 24 could Vesper's and instead of Blofeld. Mr. White could meet his end. Too cliche? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

M's old office, with the double doors, like they bought back at the end of Skyfall.

The door at the end of Skyfall is not a "double door"

But I agree. I feel some nostalgia when I saw Mallory's office and I want it in Bond 24 !

Lol I stand corrected.

 

Well if your talking about the doors seen in SF, I'm expecting them to return and will be surprised if they aren't. Unless its war times I doubt we'll see the double red doors again. 

[x007AceOfSpades]

Like FYEO started off with Tracey's gravestone, Bond 24 could Vesper's and instead of Blofeld. Mr. White could meet his end. Too cliche? 

 

No, just not needed.

[seawolfnyy]

 

Like FYEO started off with Tracey's gravestone, Bond 24 could Vesper's and instead of Blofeld. Mr. White could meet his end. Too cliche? 

 

No, just not needed.

 

Agreed. That arc is complete. Move on to something else.

[tdalton]

Like FYEO started off with Tracey's gravestone, Bond 24 could Vesper's and instead of Blofeld. Mr. White could meet his end. Too cliche?

I wouldn't mind seeing Bond visit Vesper's grave. It would be a good nod towards the literary series.

As for Mr. White, I think that ship has sailed. I think a better way to go to reference Quantum would be to simply have either M or Bond mention that they've been dealt with and then move on.

[S K Y F A L L]

I know its kind of like been there done that but I just love it on so many levels. 

[RMc2]

 

Like FYEO started off with Tracey's gravestone, Bond 24 could Vesper's and instead of Blofeld. Mr. White could meet his end. Too cliche?

I wouldn't mind seeing Bond visit Vesper's grave. It would be a good nod towards the literary series.

As for Mr. White, I think that ship has sailed. I think a better way to go to reference Quantum would be to simply have either M or Bond mention that they've been dealt with and then move on.

 

I'd love to see Craig do the Vesper grave scene, but I agree it seems unnecessary. They spent a whole film dealing with Bond's reaction to Vesper's death, he's properly moved on by now.

 

On the other hand, it would be a neat intro to the reintroduction of Quantum - a good way to get the audience to reconnect to CR, QoS and Quantum's crimes on an emotional level.

 

I definitely want Craig to deal with Quantum before his run is over. And I really want them to complete the Mr White subplot on screen (heck, they shot it for QoS, they could just re-cut the footage as a pre-credit sequence to suit whichever director's working on it). But I don't need it to be Bond 24. Another stand alone adventure would be most welcome.

 

I really want Jeffrey Wright to return as Felix Leiter! And I'd welcome Camille's return. She's a very good character and there's great potential in her and Bond's non-sexual relationship.

Edited by RMc, 08 July 2013 - 05:03 PM.

[tdalton]

There's really no realistic way that Quantum can make a return to the series at this point.  Somewhere around 7 or 8 years will have passed since they became a threat for Bond in Quantum of Solace and the time that they'd have their next opportunity to take a crack at Bond on the big screen.  If they were as big of a threat as was claimed in Quantum of Solace, then the attention of the intelligence community would have been trained on them for those 7-8 years and some very major damage would have been done to their organization.  In a realistic timeline, they're not a viable threat anymore for Bond or MI6.  The best thing for EON to do is to look forward and actually start planning out their story arcs more than one film at a time if they intend to include villainous organizations such as Quantum in the future, so that they can avoid having unresolved plotlines.

 

There's also the fact that EON will almost certainly not (unfortunately) be bringing back any elements of Quantum of Solace.  I think that Tanner and Felix are about the only things that featured in that film that we'll see again in the future.

[Walecs]

Quantum of Solace: 2006

Next Bond movie: 2014/15

8-9 years gap, Quantum is unlikely to return;  a prequel is unlikely as well, since it wouldn't feature M, Q and Moneypenny. However, they could do something à la GoldenEye pre-title sequence.

[tdalton]

I agree, even though the actual gap between Quantum appearances would be slightly less than 8-9 years based on a 2015 release date (Bond 24 won't get a 2014 release date).  Quantum of Solace was released in 2008.  

[RMc2]

QoS was released in 2008, but it's set in 2006 (regardless of the '08 vehicles and suits).

 

If the rumours that Logan plotted out the next 2 Bond films are true, I can't help but think Quantum features in there somewhere.

 

You make good arguments for why Quantum won't return, but I think EON have made enough statements to suggest it'll be back, and I don't think they'll leave that huge plot thread hanging.

[Walecs]

I've said this before:

Casino Royale takes place in 2006, as seen in the suirvellance room; Quantum of Solace takes place a few minutes after CR ending, thus QOS is set in 2006.

But, they could do a pre-title sequence in Bond 24, like in GoldenEye, set, like, in 2007: Bond infiltrates Quantum's facility, and he kills Quantum's head.

Song/Title Sequence

Film takes place in 2015 (or whenever they release it), film goes on with a brand-new plot, towards the end: epic plot twist, Quantum's real boss is still alive, and in Bond 25, Bond must hunt and kill him.

[tdalton]

QoS was released in 2008, but it's set in 2006 (regardless of the '08 vehicles and suits).

 

I don't subscribe to the idea that Quantum of Solace is a film set in the past.  One of the big ideas surrounding the series has always been that it takes place in the present or just slightly ahead of the present (wasn't Broccoli's quote something to the effect of "5 minutes in the future" or something like that?)  As that's always been the case, I think the case can just as easily be made that the ending of Casino Royale takes place later in the timeline of the events of the rest of the film.  It's not as if Bond was able to track down Mr. White all that quickly, if what he says in Quantum of Solace about the organization operating as if MI6 and the CIA are looking over their shoulders.  Surely if that's the case, White and his cohorts are using disposable cell phones and other means of evading detection in order to stay ahead of MI6, so it's not a stretch to believe that it took Bond some time to track down Mr. White.
 
 
 
 

If the rumours that Logan plotted out the next 2 Bond films are true, I can't help but think Quantum features in there somewhere.
 
You make good arguments for why Quantum won't return, but I think EON have made enough statements to suggest it'll be back, and I don't think they'll leave that huge plot thread hanging.

 

I can't imagine that Logan is going to use someone else's plot device, and from a film that was terribly received by both the fan community at large as well as the general public, as the basis for his own scripts, especially when it makes little to no sense to do so.  If anything, Logan's comments suggest that Blofeld and SPECTRE will return, not Quantum.

[SecretAgentFan]

I´d love for the big bad organisation to come back in BOND 24, either as one called QUANTUM or SPECTRE.  Doesn´t make much difference to me.  But since they have set up QUANTUM it´s probably easier to stick with it.

[The Shark]

 

QoS was released in 2008, but it's set in 2006 (regardless of the '08 vehicles and suits).

 

I don't subscribe to the idea that Quantum of Solace is a film set in the past.  One of the big ideas surrounding the series has always been that it takes place in the present or just slightly ahead of the present (wasn't Broccoli's quote something to the effect of "5 minutes in the future" or something like that?)  As that's always been the case, I think the case can just as easily be made that the ending of Casino Royale takes place later in the timeline of the events of the rest of the film.  It's not as if Bond was able to track down Mr. White all that quickly, if what he says in Quantum of Solace about the organization operating as if MI6 and the CIA are looking over their shoulders.  Surely if that's the case, White and his cohorts are using disposable cell phones and other means of evading detection in order to stay ahead of MI6, so it's not a stretch to believe that it took Bond some time to track down Mr. White.

 

Two years?

[Walecs]

 

QoS was released in 2008, but it's set in 2006 (regardless of the '08 vehicles and suits).

 

I don't subscribe to the idea that Quantum of Solace is a film set in the past.  One of the big ideas surrounding the series has always been that it takes place in the present or just slightly ahead of the present (wasn't Broccoli's quote something to the effect of "5 minutes in the future" or something like that?)  As that's always been the case, I think the case can just as easily be made that the ending of Casino Royale takes place later in the timeline of the events of the rest of the film.  It's not as if Bond was able to track down Mr. White all that quickly, if what he says in Quantum of Solace about the organization operating as if MI6 and the CIA are looking over their shoulders.  Surely if that's the case, White and his cohorts are using disposable cell phones and other means of evading detection in order to stay ahead of MI6, so it's not a stretch to believe that it took Bond some time to track down Mr. White.

 

 

I've often thought that, but that doesn't explain why they've got they wear the same clothes, and the fact White has the case at the end of the movie.

[tdalton]

 

 

QoS was released in 2008, but it's set in 2006 (regardless of the '08 vehicles and suits).

 

I don't subscribe to the idea that Quantum of Solace is a film set in the past.  One of the big ideas surrounding the series has always been that it takes place in the present or just slightly ahead of the present (wasn't Broccoli's quote something to the effect of "5 minutes in the future" or something like that?)  As that's always been the case, I think the case can just as easily be made that the ending of Casino Royale takes place later in the timeline of the events of the rest of the film.  It's not as if Bond was able to track down Mr. White all that quickly, if what he says in Quantum of Solace about the organization operating as if MI6 and the CIA are looking over their shoulders.  Surely if that's the case, White and his cohorts are using disposable cell phones and other means of evading detection in order to stay ahead of MI6, so it's not a stretch to believe that it took Bond some time to track down Mr. White.

 

Two years?

 

 

Maybe not a full two years, but it's certainly more plausible to think that it took him a while to track White down as opposed to him just showing up at the man's villa the next day.

[The Shark]

 

 

 

QoS was released in 2008, but it's set in 2006 (regardless of the '08 vehicles and suits).

 

I don't subscribe to the idea that Quantum of Solace is a film set in the past.  One of the big ideas surrounding the series has always been that it takes place in the present or just slightly ahead of the present (wasn't Broccoli's quote something to the effect of "5 minutes in the future" or something like that?)  As that's always been the case, I think the case can just as easily be made that the ending of Casino Royale takes place later in the timeline of the events of the rest of the film.  It's not as if Bond was able to track down Mr. White all that quickly, if what he says in Quantum of Solace about the organization operating as if MI6 and the CIA are looking over their shoulders.  Surely if that's the case, White and his cohorts are using disposable cell phones and other means of evading detection in order to stay ahead of MI6, so it's not a stretch to believe that it took Bond some time to track down Mr. White.

 

Two years?

 

 

Maybe not a full two years, but it's certainly more plausible to think that it took him a while to track White down as opposed to him just showing up at the man's villa the next day.

 

 

Well, if it's not two years, then Bond must take a hell of a long time driving to Siena. World's worst traffic jam?

 

The Palio sequence was filmed in pre-production on August 16th 2007, but is probably 2008 - since the invite to Greene Planet's party is on the 23rd - exactly a week later.

 

http://ladymanson.co...0054&fullsize=1

[tdalton]

Never noticed the date on the invitation before.  

 

At least that closes the debate on when Quantum of Solace takes place.  

[Walecs]

My mind is now confused.

Edited by Walecs, 09 July 2013 - 07:57 PM.

[RMc2]

 

 

 

 

QoS was released in 2008, but it's set in 2006 (regardless of the '08 vehicles and suits).

 

I don't subscribe to the idea that Quantum of Solace is a film set in the past.  One of the big ideas surrounding the series has always been that it takes place in the present or just slightly ahead of the present (wasn't Broccoli's quote something to the effect of "5 minutes in the future" or something like that?)  As that's always been the case, I think the case can just as easily be made that the ending of Casino Royale takes place later in the timeline of the events of the rest of the film.  It's not as if Bond was able to track down Mr. White all that quickly, if what he says in Quantum of Solace about the organization operating as if MI6 and the CIA are looking over their shoulders.  Surely if that's the case, White and his cohorts are using disposable cell phones and other means of evading detection in order to stay ahead of MI6, so it's not a stretch to believe that it took Bond some time to track down Mr. White.

 

Two years?

 

 

Maybe not a full two years, but it's certainly more plausible to think that it took him a while to track White down as opposed to him just showing up at the man's villa the next day.

 

 

Well, if it's not two years, then Bond must take a hell of a long time driving to Siena. World's worst traffic jam?

 

The Palio sequence was filmed in pre-production on August 16th 2007, but is probably 2008 - since the invite to Greene Planet's party is on the 23rd - exactly a week later.

 

http://ladymanson.co...0054&fullsize=1

 

 

The 'two years to track him down' idea is the best way to make the chronology work...but I doubt a high-flyer like Mr White would still have the same mobile number after two years, and since that's the way Bond tracks him (tracking phones and geopositioning doesn't take long for a secret service), the best explanation I can humbly offer is: yet another example of QoS's poorly thought-out plotting 

[GalaSilva]

 

 

 

 

 

QoS was released in 2008, but it's set in 2006 (regardless of the '08 vehicles and suits).

 

I don't subscribe to the idea that Quantum of Solace is a film set in the past.  One of the big ideas surrounding the series has always been that it takes place in the present or just slightly ahead of the present (wasn't Broccoli's quote something to the effect of "5 minutes in the future" or something like that?)  As that's always been the case, I think the case can just as easily be made that the ending of Casino Royale takes place later in the timeline of the events of the rest of the film.  It's not as if Bond was able to track down Mr. White all that quickly, if what he says in Quantum of Solace about the organization operating as if MI6 and the CIA are looking over their shoulders.  Surely if that's the case, White and his cohorts are using disposable cell phones and other means of evading detection in order to stay ahead of MI6, so it's not a stretch to believe that it took Bond some time to track down Mr. White.

 

Two years?

 

 

Maybe not a full two years, but it's certainly more plausible to think that it took him a while to track White down as opposed to him just showing up at the man's villa the next day.

 

 

Well, if it's not two years, then Bond must take a hell of a long time driving to Siena. World's worst traffic jam?

 

The Palio sequence was filmed in pre-production on August 16th 2007, but is probably 2008 - since the invite to Greene Planet's party is on the 23rd - exactly a week later.

 

http://ladymanson.co...0054&fullsize=1

 

 

The 'two years to track him down' idea is the best way to make the chronology work...but I doubt a high-flyer like Mr White would still have the same mobile number after two years, and since that's the way Bond tracks him (tracking phones and geopositioning doesn't take long for a secret service), the best explanation I can humbly offer is: yet another example of QoS's poorly thought-out plotting 

 

 

They could have done it so that they cut the car chase, change the interrogation scene to before the pre-title sequence and tell us that they have had White in confinement for the past couple of years and after finding Yusef's lock of hair and learning that he isn't dead and whatever, they bring White in for further interrogation. Then, the Mitchell scene could have been the action piece?

 

Just trying to think of a way they could have made it less of a riddle to work out the continuation. 

Edited by GalaSilva, 09 July 2013 - 07:48 PM.

[tdalton]

I don't see where there's any riddle to work out regarding the continuity.  It takes Bond two years to find Mr. White at the end of Casino Royale.  It's the simplest explanation and the one that makes the most sense.  Given how incompetently Dench's M ran her department, it can't be much of a surprise that it would take that long anyway.

[x007AceOfSpades]

I seriously doubt it would take that long to find him.

[Vauxhall]

I don't see where there's any riddle to work out regarding the continuity.  It takes Bond two years to find Mr. White at the end of Casino Royale.  It's the simplest explanation and the one that makes the most sense.  Given how incompetently Dench's M ran her department, it can't be much of a surprise that it would take that long anyway.

Agreed.

And I'm willing to play the "It's a Bond film" card to cover any suggestions that a two-year search wasn't realistic.

[S K Y F A L L]

Lots of good points why Quantum wont return but I wont rule out the hope that it will be at least a one liner in Bond 24, at least not just yet. 

[bill007]

As 007 films have always depicted the current world situation....

 

Why not have 007 chase a fanatical middle eastern bent on world domination.

 

The symbolism would directly apply.

 

Just a thought.

[seawolfnyy]

Lots of good points why Quantum wont return but I wont rule out the hope that it will be at least a one liner in Bond 24, at least not just yet. 

I could see them referencing Quantum in passing or a small nod to it, but that storyline is dead. It was a weak one to begin with. However, I could see a real-life parallel to Quantum being dormant for several years and then resurfacing: the Taliban. In 2002, the taliban was all but eradicated from the coalition forces. However, when the US and the UK turned their attention (stupidly) to Iraq, the war in Afghanistan became one of neglect. As a result, the taliban were able to reorganize, return and are now once again a threat. So, while I agree that the Quantum storyline has most likely run its course, there is real-world precedent for Quantum returning after an 8-10 year hiatus.

[Mr. A Martin]

Bond in Antarctica, the Bahamas, New Zealand and in Monte Carlo and if I catch him feeling sorry for himself I'll have 008 replace him. Permanently!

[S K Y F A L L]

At least one gadget.