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[PPK_19]

 

 

 

Hopefully Batman will only have a cameo role. 

 

Then why the hell would Snyder announce Batman as a lead in the next film if it was to only be a cameo?

 

 

I don't know. But i'm guessing you didn't like Man of Steel or Nolan's Batman trilogy? 

 

 

It wouldn't make sense for the character to be a cameo, when he's been confirmed for a leading role, alongside Superman. I personally was disappointed with how luckluster Man Of Steel turned out (even walking in with low expectations) and seeing it be the opposite of the character and what it means. It was just a poorly made film with poor writing, poor story development, and poor action sequences.

 

Nolan's first two films in TDK-Trilogy are fantastic, but it ends on a poor, sour note.

 

 

Agreed, TDKR was a dull film for the most part, nowhere near as good as the first too. I however, thought Man of Steel was very entertaining. The beginning set on Krypton was a brilliant sequence, it's just a shame that the fight with Zod went on for far too long towards the end.

[x007AceOfSpades]

 

 

 

 

Hopefully Batman will only have a cameo role. 

 

Then why the hell would Snyder announce Batman as a lead in the next film if it was to only be a cameo?

 

 

I don't know. But i'm guessing you didn't like Man of Steel or Nolan's Batman trilogy? 

 

 

It wouldn't make sense for the character to be a cameo, when he's been confirmed for a leading role, alongside Superman. I personally was disappointed with how luckluster Man Of Steel turned out (even walking in with low expectations) and seeing it be the opposite of the character and what it means. It was just a poorly made film with poor writing, poor story development, and poor action sequences.

 

Nolan's first two films in TDK-Trilogy are fantastic, but it ends on a poor, sour note.

 

 

Agreed, TDKR was a dull film for the most part, nowhere near as good as the first too. I however, thought Man of Steel was very entertaining. The beginning set on Krypton was a brilliant sequence, it's just a shame that the fight with Zod went on for far too long towards the end.

 

 

Man Of Steel wasn't entertaining. The last hour was just repetitive action sequences that went know where and dragged on and on. You can only take people being thrown into things for so long before you start pulling out your phone and checking the time, because You just want to leave the theater.

 

It's a shame David Goyer's script was actually accepted, because it simply just crap. How the studio read it and say "Wow, lets go forward with this with now rewrites!" puzzles me just as much as Fox and Bruce Willis accepting Skip Woods' script for A Good Day To Die Hard.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

Perhaps they thought the script achieved what they wanted. Perhaps there are people that enjoyed the film, despite your distaste for it. Perhaps it was time for a kick arse, epic Superman that didn't aspire to be anything more. In my circle of friends no one had a bad thing to say about it. I also note the user reviews in general are largely favorable.

 

You'll get no arguments from me on Die Hard, though.

[x007AceOfSpades]

You'll get no arguments from me on Die Hard, though.

 

At least we can agree on that then

[thecasinoroyale]

I just wish that they could get Christian Bale back as Batman. An already proven and well established name is what they need.

 

Cavill has proven himself somewhat, but going alongside another new-comer to the cape and cowl is a big move to pull off to convince people this is a "new" Batman after the legacy Bale has only just finished creating.

 

Should be a very interesting and debate fuelled production, which will be great for fans to sit on both sides and pull it apart for and against!

[SecretAgentFan]

I don´t know - I´d rather see the Bale-trilogy really has an end and a new actor stepping up to become the new Batman who can co-exist with Superman.

 

Of course, Nolan has set up Gordon-Levitt.  Not choosing him to be the next Batman ends the continuity somehow.

 

 

I´m hoping to finally see MAN OF STEEL tomorrow, by the way.  Circumstances have prevented me from going to the cinema so far.

Edited by SecretAgentFan, 22 July 2013 - 01:10 PM.

[Iceskater101]

I am not too passionate about Christian Bale. I mean he was a good Batman but they can always recast someone else. I think the role of Batman is like the role of James Bond, anyone can take on that challenge of being that character. (well not anyone but the role can be recast)

[thecasinoroyale]

I suppose - good points all. I think it was just securing that wide fan base to bring audiences into the daunting idea of pairing Batman and Superman.

 

But like Wayne himself said, the symbol of Batman can be anyone - that's the point.

 

I just want it to be right! 

 

 

And enjoy 'Man Of Steel' SAF - I am sure you will! I look forward to hearing your review.

[SecretAgentFan]

Thanks!  I have high hopes for the film!

[tdalton]

I hope that what we get with regards to this new Batman in MAN OF STEEL 2 is something different from Nolan's. As good as Levitt was in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES as a somewhat Robin-esque character, I just can't see him as being Batman, especially not one that can stand up to Superman. From the sound of things from that article I posted, Batman and Superman are going to be at odds for some duration of the film, and I just can't say that I can see Levitt as a believable option for the role of a Batman that would have to face off against Superman.

EDIT

According to an IGN interview with Goyer, the Batman/Superman movie will be titled either BATMAN VS SUPERMAN or SUPERMAN VS BATMAN. The film will be "informed" by THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS.

[thecasinoroyale]

....so this will be a sub-title under 'Man Of Steel' I take it, if this is the sequel? 'Man Of Steel: Superman vs Batman'...

 

Hmm...that sounds a bit fan-boyish, almost like a computer game...hope it's not going to be that obvious....

[tdalton]

....so this will be a sub-title under 'Man Of Steel' I take it, if this is the sequel? 'Man Of Steel: Superman vs Batman'...

Hmm...that sounds a bit fan-boyish, almost like a computer game...hope it's not going to be that obvious....

Supposedly they're leaning towards BATMAN VS SUPERMAN. The studio apparently has purchased a couple of variations of BATMAN VS SUPERMAN web addresses, which we've seen as a reliable means of determining film titles with Bond in the past. That, and the fact that Goyer has mentioned the title would strongly indicate that's what its going to be.


And, agreed, its definitely fan-boyish, but since this film is going to be nothing more than a cheap cash-in, its not particularly surprising either.

[thecasinoroyale]

Hmm, that's dissapointing. I thought it was going to be 'Man Of Steel' still, a sequel title, with Batman appearing.

 

Well they've certainly got a lot of choices to make to get it right. The title may be picky for some, but for me it's the global calling card and has to be right to sell the premise of the film itself.

[PPK_19]

Ok so now I'm totally confused.

 

Before this news about Batman appearing in the same film as Superman, I was happy knowing that in all likelihood they would be making a Man of Steel trilogy, much like the Dark Knight films.

 

But now this massive news breaks that Batman and Superman will be together on celluloid, is the next Superman film going to be the one with Batman in it, as part of "Man of Steel 2"? Or does Man of Steel 2 not exist as such, and it's just going to be the Batman V Superman film?

[x007AceOfSpades]

Ok so now I'm totally confused.
 
Before this news about Batman appearing in the same film as Superman, I was happy knowing that in all likelihood they would be making a Man of Steel trilogy, much like the Dark Knight films.
 
But now this massive news breaks that Batman and Superman will be together on celluloid, is the next Superman film going to be the one with Batman in it, as part of "Man of Steel 2"? Or does Man of Steel 2 not exist as such, and it's just going to be the Batman V Superman film?

Both.
Not that hard to figure out...

[PPK_19]

 

Ok so now I'm totally confused.
 
Before this news about Batman appearing in the same film as Superman, I was happy knowing that in all likelihood they would be making a Man of Steel trilogy, much like the Dark Knight films.
 
But now this massive news breaks that Batman and Superman will be together on celluloid, is the next Superman film going to be the one with Batman in it, as part of "Man of Steel 2"? Or does Man of Steel 2 not exist as such, and it's just going to be the Batman V Superman film?

Both.
Not that hard to figure out...

 

 

Aah, if only my intellect matched yours, Ace...

[x007AceOfSpades]

Ok so now I'm totally confused.
 
Before this news about Batman appearing in the same film as Superman, I was happy knowing that in all likelihood they would be making a Man of Steel trilogy, much like the Dark Knight films.
 
But now this massive news breaks that Batman and Superman will be together on celluloid, is the next Superman film going to be the one with Batman in it, as part of "Man of Steel 2"? Or does Man of Steel 2 not exist as such, and it's just going to be the Batman V Superman film?

Both.
Not that hard to figure out...

 
Aah, if only my intellect matched yours, Ace...

I'm not the intellectual one your sarcasm makes me out to be, but the overall general nature of the film and what it is to be isn't completely confusing either.

[thecasinoroyale]

Hmm, Ace, it can't be both - really, can it. It's a case of which one will it be:

 

'Man Of Steel 2'

 

OR

 

'Superman vs Batman'

 

 

I find it hard to believe it will be 'Batman vs Superman' as Snyder himself announced the 'MOS' sequel, so to drop the actual running title and frontload Batman jsut wouldn't make sense. These are Superman's films, so 'Man Of Steel' needs to stay, and just chuck in a tagline or something under it. Batman is the gatecrasher here so I don't want it now to detract what 'Man Of Steel' could grow to be.

[x007AceOfSpades]

If you were open minded, you would see what WB is trying to Go forth with a sequel, whatever the storyline will be and introduce Batman to further progress towards a potential Justice League film, therefore it can be both, which it most likely will be.

More of Superman being whiny, further tell his (uninteresting) story, Lex Luthor or someone comes to town, Then Batman shows up. Whether Batman and Superman will actually fight, remains unknown.

It is essentially the World's Finest film being developed as a Man Of Steel sequel.

[tdalton]

Goyer's quote, as well as the dialogue quoted at the comic con presentation, makes it pretty clear that they will be adversaries:

"We aren’t sure if the title will be Batman Vs Superman or Superman Vs Batman, but they will face off.” --Goyer

Snyder also said at a different point that it will be "informed" by THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS. in which the two are adversaries.

Source:

m.ign.com/articles/2013/07/23/comic-con-man-of-steel-sequel-likely-called-batman-vs-superman

[x007AceOfSpades]

I was under the impression Snyder only had that excerpt from The Dark Knight Returns read by Lennix as a means to build to the announcement instead of just blatantly saying it. Then again that's just an excerpt being read, door swings both ways. Could care less about Goyer.

[thecasinoroyale]

I can't imagine Batman facing off against Superman - he'd get smashed to bits!

 

Still - very excited for developments to end all speculation. But that is a good source of debate...

[tdalton]

I can't imagine Batman facing off against Superman - he'd get smashed to bits!

Some of the comics show Batman carrying kryptonite on his belt, which would level the playing field a bit.

[S K Y F A L L]

[thecasinoroyale]

 

I can't imagine Batman facing off against Superman - he'd get smashed to bits!
 

Some of the comics show Batman carrying kryptonite on his belt, which would level the playing field a bit.

 

 

Thank you tdalton - that explains a lot!

 

 

And love those 'DOFP' posters - retro yet slick looking and clever blend of new and old. FAR better than the shite 'FC' posters.

[S K Y F A L L]

I imagine they are going crazy trying to find a new Batman at this point. One that could stand up next to Henry Cavill.  

[Iceskater101]

I imagine they are going crazy trying to find a new Batman at this point. One that could stand up next to Henry Cavill.  

 

Someone suggest Ryan Gosling and to me that would be a HORRIBLE casting choice, emphasis on the horrible. I mean I am sorry but I just hope that we don't have Ryan Gosling in that role. Now for the Flash that's a different story.. I mean to be honest I have no idea who should play Batman. I don't think Armie Hammer or Joseph Gordon-Levitt are good choices either. I mean if I had to choose between the three.. I would have to go with Armie.

[S K Y F A L L]

10 stories to come out of Comic con; http://www.movieweb....n=zergnet_77500

[Agent 76]

I think Jake Gyllenhaal could be in WB/DC shortlist. after all he was a runner-up when they were casting Batman Begins

[tdalton]

Some potential Batman vs. Superman  / Man of Steel 2 news / rumors:

 

Man of Steel 2 seeking 40-ish Batman

According to the article on the Hollywood Reporter website, the new Batman will be established already as Batman.  There won't be a new origin story for Batman.  Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns is being used as the basis for the tone of the relationship and the fight between Batman and Superman.

 

On the rumor front, although casting has yet to begin, the early frontrunner, according to two sources, is thought to be Josh Brolin.

Edited by tdalton, 03 August 2013 - 11:26 PM.