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[EyesOnly]

Good for you Jamie00007. I'm sick of publishers expecting us to purchase half baked games at full price.

[Chief of SIS]

Good. Kind of glad to hear it is awful. It will hopefully shake the smarts back into them.

Wishful thinking. It won't.

Agreed. It most certainly won't force Activision to shake things up. Activision just isn't a good publisher for Bond, as they're almost solely focused on churning out as many CoD games as possible, and Bond represents another opportunity for that. Sadly, it's stuff like CoD that sells (it really is an awful franchise), and until it stops selling (or until a good publisher gets a hold of the rights to the series) then that's all we're going to see from the videogame franchise.

I think my point was that hopefully bad press will cause the game not to sell. If you can't get a Bond fan like jamie00007 to buy it, then what hope does Activision have?

[tdalton]

Hopefully that turns out to be the case. Problem is that there are quite a few out there who will buy it regardless, just because it's Bond. Most likely, it'll sell just enough for Activision to consider it a success. The real problem is that the bar for calling it a "success" is probably pretty low.

[seawolfnyy]

Hopefully that turns out to be the case. Problem is that there are quite a few out there who will buy it regardless, just because it's Bond. Most likely, it'll sell just enough for Activision to consider it a success. The real problem is that the bar for calling it a "success" is probably pretty low.

That's the unfortunate truth. The only hope I think we have is that the game won't sell and as a consequence Activision sells the Bond license off. At this point, I would be fine with EA getting it back. They did seem to give it more care (excluding Tomorrow Never Dies) than Activision. But I agree that we need a developer like Rocksteady or Naughty Dog that takes care with its games to give the Bond license what it needs.

[LoneWolf]

The game really isn't that bad. I've been having a lot of fun with it. After reading the review, I was about to download the new anticipated DLC for Borderlands 2. I started playing 007 Legends and I can't put this game down. In fact, I think it's a step up from the QOS game back in 2008. So far, I enjoy this better than Goldeneye Reloaded because of the nod to the classics. Of course it's a "reimagining," but they have kept the dialogue and story elements intact. I expected the graphics to be a bit rough based on the screenshots, however there are some very nice touches to the environments. They aren't bland and there is a lot of variety here. I just completed the Goldfinger and OHMSS missions. I loved the Goldfinger mission and The OHMSS level is very cool and a ton of fun. Both missions are pretty long. I've played a lot of FPS shooters and there is nothing to complain about here. It's not nearly as bad as the first Medal of Honor game. I read the IGN review but a lot of it seemed like unnecessary criticism. You can definitely tell the writer isn't a true Bond fan. I'll be sure to elaborate on specifics a bit more, but as a Bond fan I wanted to share my enthusiasm for this game. It hasn't let me down and I'm certain the Skyfall mission will be amazing.

@ GoldDragon71 - You need to use your wrist laser to take out the 2 or 3 cameras at the end of the hallway. One of the guards will leave to investigate and there should be one guard remaining. I snuck up on him from the side and knocked him out with a melee. I hope that helps. I'm sure you probably figured it out by now.

[jamie00007]

The screenshots of the attack on Fort Knox (which the reviewer correctly described as being more like Normandy than anything in the film) was enough to immediately make me cancel my order. Its just COD with a Bond mod. Minus the polish that makes people like COD. I fully expected the game to be mediocre at best but I hoped all the Bond stuff would make it at least enjoyable to Bond fans. But for that to work it needs to be at least something like the films.

[seawolfnyy]

Its just COD with a Bond mod. Minus the polish that makes people like COD.

COD has polish?

[LoneWolf]

I think a lot of the negative criticism fails to see the forest beyond the trees. It's using the Call of Duty engine and I think it succeeds with that particular approach. For a video game, the final Bond battles (Fort Knox) are going to be grand. Would I much rather have a first person/3rd person RPG Bond game that is less linear, involves more stealth, dialogue options, and variation in mission objectives? Sure, but I also enjoy a solid FPS and I think this accomplishes the task it set out to achieve. The game is enjoyable, the controls aren't horrendous, and the AI isn't as bad as the reviewer claims.

Edited by LoneWolf, 17 October 2012 - 06:12 AM.

[jamie00007]

The IGN reviewer says the Fort Knox assault is more like the landing at Normandy than anything seen in the film and judging from the screenshots he's spot on. I can deal with a Bond film being a cheap copy of COD or whatever else if it does a half decent job of capturing the films its based on, but from what I've seen it might as well be COD with a Bond skin.

Why were they able to make a FPS in 1997 that perfectly captured the movie it was based on but they've not come close since? How hard can it be?

[bond_azoozbond]

So from reviews so far its look like QOS video game is better than 007 legends ?? Well maybe I agree if they used the same engine with the cover system and improved the AI and add Cars levels then it would be really good but not perfect ..

[00 Brosnan]

GoldenEye Reloaded is honestly the most unininspired, dull first-person shooter I've ever played. I didn't think it was possible, but Activision has done worse with the license than EA.

I don't like the Call of Duty engine all that much. It's slow, aim-down sights makes things to easy, way too many quick-time events. I definitely prefer faster paced shooters. I'm not saying Bond has to be Quake-fast, but I think the property deserves a more "arcade-style" engine...and enough with the QTEs. "Press X over and over real quick to beat boss/level." Lame.

Legends has basically offended me (as a Bond fan) from the start. I can live with playing as Craig through the missions, but why "modernize" everything so it looks totally different than what people remember and cherish? Why try to tie 5 decades together with an assanine story? I heard they didn't even get Daniel Craig to voice Bond....pathetic.

I'd rather Nintendo grab the license again and make a SkyFall based game. They have virtually no recognizable FPS IPs unlike their direct competitors Sony and Microsoft.

[x007AceOfSpades]

No, please, not Nintendo. I'm not going to buy a Wii, or a 3DS or WiiU just to play a Bond game. They published ONE GAME, GoldenEye 64. Sony and Microsoft put out better FPS games (besides COD).

Activision is at fault for publishing it, but it's the developer who's really to blame. They create the game. Activision chooses the developer.

Quantum Of Solace was fantastic. A FPS with a good third-person cover system. Great Online, and challenging. Blood Stone was a fun third person, sure the online was underwhelming to say the least, but it was good. I find it Very underrated. GoldenEye: Reloaded, terrible online, repetitive gameplay, GENERIC. 007 Legends, looks better than GE:R, interesting and fun premise. It's not bad, it's just a rehash. Why not just make a game adaption of 'Skyfall' or a completely original game. Eurocom has been a ty developer. Bizarre Creations did good to Blood Stone, and it's a shame that they closed their doors. Treyarch did good too. If you compare QOS to their second game of '08, Call Of Duty: World At War, QOS looks much, better. Maybe because they had been working on the game since December 2007/January 2008.

[PPK_19]

All Bond games are poor, apart from QOS, EON and GE.

I'm really not surprised 007 Legends has been trashed in the reviews. It's a shame because the concept was so good, playing missions from six of the films. But they've messed up, Eurocom.

I won't be getting this. I'll stick to Dishonoured, Bioshock and FIFA13 then...

[thecasinoroyale]

Glad I got a free copy after reading these not my £37.99 pre-order.

I guess the gaming industry are still in the 90s Brosnan-era of Bond, with fast action and shoot-em-up physics churning out as much as they can to either cash-in on a film release or event.

Hopefully something will click and either the license is given to someone else and they will take the current look, feel and vibe of Daniel Craig's Bond and turn THAT into a video game we haven't seen before with the 007 title. I think Activision still associate Bond games with just shooting, driving and using smartphones and laser watches. We don't want that anymore - we've developed and grown up more with our new world Bond so we need a new world Bond game.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

PPK_19, I have to disagree with your first statement. Nightfire and Everything or Nothing were great Bond games. The World is Not Enough (N64) was a worthy follow up to GoldenEye, and I'd call both From Russia With Love and Agent Under Fire average (not poor). Sure there's been some duds, but compared to other movie tie-ins Bond games are in a league above.

Lastly I'd argue the blame should go to Activision for pushing out another Bond game before it's ready and clearly under financing the project. I say this based on the quality of Eurocom's past work.

[Melancholy Productions]

Fantastic news for Australian fans....the release date of the game has been pushed back 2 weeks to 31st October.

Great.

Probably to match Skyfall's delayed Australian release, 2 weeks after the US.

[PPK_19]

PPK_19, I have to disagree with your first statement. Nightfire and Everything or Nothing were great Bond games. The World is Not Enough (N64) was a worthy follow up to GoldenEye, and I'd call both From Russia With Love and Agent Under Fire average (not poor). Sure there's been some duds, but compared to other movie tie-ins Bond games are in a league above.

Lastly I'd argue the blame should go to Activision for pushing out another Bond game before it's ready and clearly under financing the project. I say this based on the quality of Eurocom's past work.

If you'd read what i wrote carefully you would see that i said QOS, EON and GE were the only good Bond games. Though i completely forgot about Nightfire, that was pretty good as well.The rest are just trash.

It would be nice to see the developers/publishers take their time when making a Bond game, instead of rushing one out in time for a film's release or anniversary. Yes, perhaps money had a thing to do with Eurocom's effort too.

And yes, Activision are to blame too. I just wish it wasn't them who had the rights to making Bond games. If Ubisoft Montreal- who are making Assassin's Creed 3- had a crack at Bond i'm sure the game would be fantastic. Activision wouldn't be my chosen publishers for ANY game, let alone an anniversary game for Bond.

Edited by PPK_19, 17 October 2012 - 10:45 AM.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

Erm... I read exactly what you wrote which is why I shared how I see some of the past games stacking up. Not sure that the snide remark was necessary.

[PeteNeon]

[PeteNeon]

The challenge here for me as the writer was to knit together all of these levels into a cohesive story with an overall arc, which culminates in Skyfall. By the time you get to Skyfall, it explains why you’ve played through all these other missions on the way there.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/james-bond-scribe-bruce-feirstein-explains-how-you-modernize-50-years-of-bond/

I wonder what that will be.

[LoneWolf]

@PeteNeon - That counter review video is spot on. I agree with all of the points he made in regard to the IGN review. I'm glad someone out there agrees with me.

Edited by LoneWolf, 17 October 2012 - 02:10 PM.

[PeteNeon]

Good to know! I got my dispatch photo this morning, so it should arrive tomorrow.

[marktmurphy]

Good to know! I got my dispatch photo this morning, so it should arrive tomorrow.

What's a dispatch photo? A photo of the package?

[PeteNeon]

What's a dispatch photo? A photo of the package?

Yeah, it's quite reassuring, if a tad pointless!

[00 Brosnan]

No, please, not Nintendo. I'm not going to buy a Wii, or a 3DS or WiiU just to play a Bond game. They published ONE GAME, GoldenEye 64. Sony and Microsoft put out better FPS games (besides COD).

Activision is at fault for publishing it, but it's the developer who's really to blame. They create the game. Activision chooses the developer.

I blame Activision. They set the budget, they make all the decisions. I don't believe for a second Activision doesn't dictate to Eurocom exactly what they want. You think Eurocom just randomly chose to use the CoD engine and follow the same set-piece/QTE formula as CoD?

Glad I got a free copy after reading these not my £37.99 pre-order.

I guess the gaming industry are still in the 90s Brosnan-era of Bond, with fast action and shoot-em-up physics churning out as much as they can to either cash-in on a film release or event.

Compared to a good amount of shooters, the CoD engine is slow.

[Shaun Forever]

I'm so bored of hearing about Call of Duty.


I cannot remember a more overrated franchise of games in my lifetime?

[Golddragon71]

The game really isn't that bad. I've been having a lot of fun with it. After reading the review, I was about to download the new anticipated DLC for Borderlands 2. I started playing 007 Legends and I can't put this game down. In fact, I think it's a step up from the QOS game back in 2008. So far, I enjoy this better than Goldeneye Reloaded because of the nod to the classics. Of course it's a "reimagining," but they have kept the dialogue and story elements intact. I expected the graphics to be a bit rough based on the screenshots, however there are some very nice touches to the environments. They aren't bland and there is a lot of variety here. I just completed the Goldfinger and OHMSS missions. I loved the Goldfinger mission and The OHMSS level is very cool and a ton of fun. Both missions are pretty long. I've played a lot of FPS shooters and there is nothing to complain about here. It's not nearly as bad as the first Medal of Honor game. I read the IGN review but a lot of it seemed like unnecessary criticism. You can definitely tell the writer isn't a true Bond fan. I'll be sure to elaborate on specifics a bit more, but as a Bond fan I wanted to share my enthusiasm for this game. It hasn't let me down and I'm certain the Skyfall mission will be amazing.

@ GoldDragon71 - You need to use your wrist laser to take out the 2 or 3 cameras at the end of the hallway. One of the guards will leave to investigate and there should be one guard remaining. I snuck up on him from the side and knocked him out with a melee. I hope that helps. I'm sure you probably figured it out by now.

That's exactly my point! I don't have my watch at all or my phone they're not available to use

[seawolfnyy]

I'm so bored of hearing about Call of Duty.


I cannot remember a more overrated franchise of games in my lifetime?

I can't either. Guitar Hero maybe? Not coincidentally also by Activision. There are so many better and more innovative games out there even in the FPS market (see Killzone 2, Bioshock etc.). The problem with CoD is the 15 and 16 year olds that buy the damn thing every year either don't see or don't care that the game doesn't change and are willing to shell out about $100 for the game and DLC thereby furthering the trend of CoD and CoD clones every year.

[thecasinoroyale]

In my opinon CoD is nothing new or great - it's overrated. End.

[Shaun Forever]

Spot on, and exactly the same thing is happening with the FIFA games.


Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge football (soccer) fan, but I refuse to buy the same game every year.