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[sharpshooter]

It's like those opening orchestra hits scream "BOND MOVIE!". love it.

Indeed. Perhaps that signals Bond stepping out of the shadows and raising his PPK?

[QuantumOfRoyale]

It's like those opening orchestra hits scream "BOND MOVIE!". love it.

Indeed. Perhaps that signals Bond stepping out of the shadows and raising his PPK?

The only disappointing thing about this beginning is that you listen to that very opening cue and you think "You know, it would be so easy to put a classic gun barrel sequence right before this..."

But alas...

[MattofSteel]

It's like those opening orchestra hits scream "BOND MOVIE!". love it.

Indeed. Perhaps that signals Bond stepping out of the shadows and raising his PPK?

Safe bet, I'd say. Orchestra probably hits right when his eyes do, or when the PPK goes up. Boy, that moment's going to be bliss. [Checks calendar]. Oh, no...

[SecretAgentFan]

How many times do you have to hear something to form an opinion of it..?? Once is usually fine...twice is usually plenty....and sometimes a coule of words is fine to describe what you think about it.the fact that a composer is prolific is totally irrelevant.

Actually, I defy you or anyone else to have a well-rounded opinion of a piece of music after listening to it only once or twice. A spontaneous reaction? Sure. A preference? Of course. But to actually really judge something that is as layered as a good score - no, you have to spend time with it.

Isn´t it wonderful that on the internet one can dismiss the hard work of a prolific composer with just a few words (and probably after listening to it only once or twice)?

So ... away from the Internet ... say at a party ... if someone tells you that they just saw a movie and that "it stunk" do you criticize them for forming an opinion after only seeing the movie once? Do you share how nice it must be for them to weigh in on the hard work of a filmmaker with only a couple words?

I would criticize them for saying only "it stunk" because that is just a juvenile general statement that does not convey measured information but just a personal preference. At least say why "it stunk" for you.

But "hey, AWESOME" or "SUCKS" does not cut it for me, sorry.

[TheSilhouette]

That opening cue is just wonderful. Love it all. Thank heavens for not having to see Craig and listen to Brosnan at the same time: cognitive dissonance I tell ya, pure torture (Shark will understand this )

Oh, BTW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vX3iZBIt7qU

At 0:12 my first thought was immediately Goldfinger.

[JCRendle]

I love Breadcrumbs!

[marktmurphy]

M's theme sounds very John Barry to me. It doesn't really take off but sounds just like something he'd write.

[littlenellie]

littlenellie, on 19 October 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:
How many times do you have to hear something to form an opinion of it..?? Once is usually fine...twice is usually plenty....and sometimes a coule of words is fine to describe what you think about it.the fact that a composer is prolific is totally irrelevant.

Actually, I defy you or anyone else to have a well-rounded opinion of a piece of music after listening to it only once or twice. A spontaneous reaction? Sure. A preference? Of course. But to actually really judge something that is as layered as a good score - no, you have to spend time with it.

Speak for yourself,but for me,to hear a piece twice, with perhaps a little time in between listens is plenty for me to have a well rounded opinion of what and why I do or don't like something.I reserve the right to change my mind a year later but that doesn't invalidate my opinion at the time.and how much time exactly do you need to spend with a piece to form an opinion or judge something? A day? Two days? A week? Your whole life?

Sorry,previous post in response to secretagentfan.got my quotes thing wrong..

[SecretAgentFan]

Littlenellie, read carefully: one´s personal opinion or preference is not the same as a well-rounded opinion.

I just wish people would be a bit more careful with voicing their opinions. Instead of just putting down things that they don´t like, why don´t you try telling us exactly why you don´t like it?

[Skull Kid]

Littlenellie, read carefully: one´s personal opinion or preference is not the same as a well-rounded opinion.

I just wish people would be a bit more careful with voicing their opinions. Instead of just putting down things that they don´t like, why don´t you try telling us exactly why you don´t like it?

Maybe I should have kept out of this, but what a petty point of discussion/argument! For one its hypocritical SecretAgentFan, when you've been extolling the virtues of the score in as few thought out words as others have been critical of it. I assume by your criteria for forming a well-rounded opinion that you would not have formed one either yet- and therefore should not be able to comment on the music either in such a one sided manner. That would only be fair right? Or is it just simply that someone disagreed with your personal opinion and preference and that's not acceptable?

Plus, the person who left their thoughts that started this debate did say, however vaguely, why they did not like it. Plus, they were positive about some of the material too, so it wasn't a purely dismissive post or anything. The only person being dismissive was you, of their opinion. And i also assume you will be ignoring all top film critics reviews of Skyfall as how could they ever have a well informed opinion on one viewing....

[littlenellie]

Littlenellie, read carefully: one´s personal opinion or preference is not the same as a well-rounded opinion.


I just wish people would be a bit more careful with voicing their opinions. Instead of just putting down things that they don´t like, why don´t you try telling us exactly why you don´t like it?

"one´s personal opinion or preference is not the same as a well-rounded opinion." : this makes no sense what so ever

Edited by SecretAgentFan, 20 October 2012 - 12:04 PM.

[SecretAgentFan]

Yes, it does.

"Personal" does not mean that it is "well-rounded", taking into account more factors than one usually recognizes or even can acknowledge due to lack of information or attention.

[littlenellie]

You seem to thnk they're mutually exclusive. I can have an opinion,it is mine.as your opinions are yours, ( unless you steal someone else's and pass them off as your own). When does my opinion stop becoming personal and start becoming well rounded? How can an opinion be anything other than personal? That's what opinions are...what you feel about something

[Matt_13]

I'd say the opening of Grand Bizarre marks the second Bond steps into the hallway. We see the moment in the production blogs and I was hoping Newman was going to do something just like this when the moment came.

[marktmurphy]

'Tennyson' is surprisingly lovely.

[SecretAgentFan]

You seem to thnk they're mutually exclusive. I can have an opinion,it is mine.as your opinions are yours, ( unless you steal someone else's and pass them off as your own). When does my opinion stop becoming personal and start becoming well rounded? How can an opinion be anything other than personal? That's what opinions are...what you feel about something

An opinion will always remain "personal" because as you say it is what you feel (or think) about something. And of course, a personal opinion can be well-rounded. But if the opinion of something as complex as music is just formed after having listened to it once or twice and the judgment is "good", "sucks", "fails" then it only underlines my assessment of this opinion not being well-rounded at all.

[QuantumOfRoyale]

'Tennyson' is surprisingly lovely.

Oh...my excitement builds! I can't wait to listen to all the full tracks!

[Vauxhall]

I'd say the opening of Grand Bizarre marks the second Bond steps into the hallway. We see the moment in the production blogs and I was hoping Newman was going to do something just like this when the moment came.

Yes, that's what I was thinking too. The following bit of the track would allow some fairly ambient sound as Bond goes about his business at the start, before things start to really get going on the streets of Istanbul.

[QOS4EVER]

You seem to thnk they're mutually exclusive. I can have an opinion,it is mine.as your opinions are yours, ( unless you steal someone else's and pass them off as your own). When does my opinion stop becoming personal and start becoming well rounded? How can an opinion be anything other than personal? That's what opinions are...what you feel about something

An opinion will always remain "personal" because as you say it is what you feel (or think) about something. And of course, a personal opinion can be well-rounded. But if the opinion of something as complex as music is just formed after having listened to it once or twice and the judgment is "good", "sucks", "fails" then it only underlines my assessment of this opinion not being well-rounded at all.

So You want him to listen to it 100 times before he has the right to say it "sucks", Just because a composer has made it ?

[Royal Dalton]

'Skyfall' sounds beautiful and haunting. Very reminiscent of parts of Vangelis' Blade Runner score, but with a Celtic edge.

[sharpshooter]

'Skyfall' sounds beautiful and haunting. Very reminiscent of parts of Vangelis' Blade Runner score, but with a Celtic edge.

Agreed. It's really does bring to mind a fog slowly parting to reveal a grand structure.

[SecretAgentFan]

You seem to thnk they're mutually exclusive. I can have an opinion,it is mine.as your opinions are yours, ( unless you steal someone else's and pass them off as your own). When does my opinion stop becoming personal and start becoming well rounded? How can an opinion be anything other than personal? That's what opinions are...what you feel about something

An opinion will always remain "personal" because as you say it is what you feel (or think) about something. And of course, a personal opinion can be well-rounded. But if the opinion of something as complex as music is just formed after having listened to it once or twice and the judgment is "good", "sucks", "fails" then it only underlines my assessment of this opinion not being well-rounded at all.

So You want him to listen to it 100 times before he has the right to say it "sucks", Just because a composer has made it ?

Wow, interesting to get that kind of anger when one only wants people to give a more measured opinion. Obviously, that is too much to ask or even too aggressive.

And to answer your question: no, I never said that nobody has the right to say it "sucks", whether that person has listened to a piece of music once or 100 times. But is "sucks" really enough for you? It isn´t for me, sorry.

I also never wanted to bloat this thread with this pointless discussion - I only reacted to someone (mostly) dissing Newman´s score by pointing out that he/she might have missed something.

[QOS4EVER]

Hey ,
I mean no offence to you in anyway! But you really can't say anything considering the fact that he has heard the whole thing and you haven't. He's merely stating what he believes of it.

[SecretAgentFan]

Yes, I know. I only wanted him to be more informative.

[MattofSteel]

You know the desire for a film is pent up when we're debating how we debate the score.

[QuantumOfRoyale]

You know the desire for a film is pent up when we're debating how we debate the score.

This.

[Royal Dalton]

Complete opening cue hits Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2CKqLX1uUL8

I love that "choo-choo" bit when it hits 3:58.

[killkenny kid]

I tell you what I am really enjoying is without having seen a minute of the movie, cues like Brave New World and Deep Water are building up this feeling of suspense in me. I'm really looking forward to this movie.

[SecretAgentFan]

You know the desire for a film is pent up when we're debating how we debate the score.

This.

Absolutely.

[littlenellie]

to a great extent...film music is only meant to be listened to once....when you see the film...if it doesn't do the job during that one listen...very few people will go back to see a film and it's music more than once if they didn't like it first time.
film is a complex art form that you seem happy to judge on initial singular viewings...so why can't anyone form an opinion on a score from one listen? if I was going to eat a complex dish in a restaurant and I didn't like it...I wouldn't go back the next day to eat it again in case I liked it second time.I just wouldnt eat it again.and I'd be happy to critique it as such...
it's fine for people to say "it sucks" as this isn't a community of professional critics..and where you might like people to be more eloquent( and many are) , I dont see any problem with letting those who would rather be blunt,be blunt....and I can have my conversations with those who feel happier to explain further.
I wouldn't want to dictate what level of competence the criticism takes on this board. Each to their own.