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[x007AceOfSpades]

I'm bummed it's not Newman's variation of it, but glad nonetheless that it's being used and that it makes it's return the right way.

[Twingolot]

It's a shame they just paste Arnold's Bond theme from CR. At least for GE, they had an original track produced for the pleasant drive in St-Petersburg. The only theme which has been copied and pasted in the past Bond films was the original James Bond theme from Dr No, in FRWL, at the end of Thunderball, in YOLT and for the climax of OHMSS. However we did hear another Barry-version of the Bond theme in those movies (especially... during the gunbarrel sequence...). I hope there will be some original work from Newman on the Bond theme in the movie. And I really hope he didn't simply copy and paste Arnold's Bond theme himself, like for Breadcrumbs.

[delfloria]

Put me in the camp of.................... Glad the complete Bond theme is back in the main body of the film regardless of where it's come from. (Never had a problem with YOLT or OHMSS using a previous version.)

[Mr_Wint]

Wait, what? The Bond theme in the film is Arnolds version?

Maybe the Producers think some stuff of Newman doesn't work in the Film, and they replace some cues like the Drive to. St. Petersburg in Goldeneye?

That would be the most plausible explanation.

[TheManwiththeWaltherPPK]

Well, hopefully, it won't stick out as much as the last minute changes to Goldeneye's score. The change from Serra's work to the Barry pastiche tank theme is rather startling. Is there really that little between the scoring of the film and release that they need to licence Arnold's work? Or was Newman not willing to make the requested changes?

[SecretAgentFan]

Wait, what? The Bond theme in the film is Arnolds version?

Maybe the Producers think some stuff of Newman doesn't work in the Film, and they replace some cues like the Drive to. St. Petersburg in Goldeneye?

Either it did not work or they additionally buffed up the score with Arnold´s Bond theme.

Both possibilities are a bit of a let down IMO. I´d rather have Newman do his take on the Bond theme (instead of being too subtle with it). Maybe Mendes did not want Newman to use the theme too much. Maybe EON put their foot down. Maybe Sony did. We don´t know.

What we do (seem to) know is this: the film works. That´s all that matters to me in the end.

[marktmurphy]

So David Arnold has confirmed EON licensed "The Name's Bond . . . James Bond" from Casino Royale to use in the film.

Well that's very weird. Not sure I like the sound of just dumping in a track designed not designed for the scene.
Smacks of the producers not being fully happy with the score.

Sort of harks back to the '62 theme just turning up in OHMSS.

[PPK_19]

Hmm this is all very interesting. The review of Skyfall in the Sabotage Times mentioned that the only thing missing from the film is a 'stand-out score...Thomas Newman’s work is fine but he’s no John Barry, or not even David Arnold'.

So perhaps Eon thought Newman's effort wasn't up to scratch?

[The Shark]

So David Arnold has confirmed EON licensed "The Name's Bond . . . James Bond" from Casino Royale to use in the film.

EON. What a bunch of .

[QOS4EVER]

Hmm this is all very interesting. The review of Skyfall in the Sabotage Times mentioned that the only thing missing from the film is a 'stand-out score...Thomas Newman’s work is fine but he’s no John Barry, or not even David Arnold'.

So perhaps Eon thought Newman's effort wasn't up to scratch?

I guess Arnold haters should be carefull of what they wish for.

[SecretAgentFan]

Well, we know for a fact that Peter Hunt was so fond of the original Bond theme that he inserted it again and again, instead of using Barry´s original music (i.e. in "You only live twice" and "On Her Majesty´s Secret Service").

Maybe Stuart Baird did the same thing - and the producers and Mendes liked it?

It does not have to mean that Newman´s score was not up to snuff.

[PPK_19]

It does not have to mean that Newman´s score was not up to snuff.

True, but in all the reviews i've read Deakins' cinematography gets mentioned every time, saying how excellent it is. But Newman's score isn't commented on and when it is, it isn't received so well.

But i'm sure there's nothing wrong with it, the bits i've heard from the soundtrack samples are good, some are even great.

Edited by PPK_19, 14 October 2012 - 12:58 PM.

[gkgyver]

This sounds absolutely mediocre.

At best.

At worst, it souns like elevator music.

Still better than Arnold on an average day.

Nope, sorry.

Arnold's music at least is entertaining. Those samples from Skyfall are just boring and get on my nerves.

[The Shark]

Arnold's music at least is entertaining.

Eh, no.

I'll leave it at that.

[PeteNeon]

Well, we know for a fact that Peter Hunt was so fond of the original Bond theme that he inserted it again and again, instead of using Barry´s original music (i.e. in "You only live twice" and "On Her Majesty´s Secret Service").

Maybe Stuart Baird did the same thing - and the producers and Mendes liked it?

It does not have to mean that Newman´s score was not up to snuff.

Yes, perhaps he used it in the temp track and they liked it so much they left it in. Still, couldn't Newman have done a new interpretation of it?

My take on the score, and I've only skimmed through it, is it sounds great in the slow, "setting the scene" moments, but very bland during the action.

[QOS4EVER]

Well, we know for a fact that Peter Hunt was so fond of the original Bond theme that he inserted it again and again, instead of using Barry´s original music (i.e. in "You only live twice" and "On Her Majesty´s Secret Service").

Maybe Stuart Baird did the same thing - and the producers and Mendes liked it?

It does not have to mean that Newman´s score was not up to snuff.

Yes, perhaps he used it in the temp track and they liked it so much they left it in. Still, couldn't Newman have done a new interpretation of it?

My take on the score, and I've only skimmed through it, is it sounds great in the slow, "setting the scene" moments, but very bland during the action.

+1

like I said earlier, Newman is famous for his emotional tracks.Whats the point of having him do Bond ?
If you want emotional films there are plenty out there. Its a bad call to mix him with Bond when Bond movies are not meant to be emotional but more action oriented.

[SecretAgentFan]

It does not have to mean that Newman´s score was not up to snuff.

True, but in all the reviews i've read Deakins' cinematography gets mentioned every time, saying how excellent it is. But Newman's score isn't commented on and when it is, it isn't received so well.

But i'm sure there's nothing wrong with it, the bits i've heard from the soundtrack samples are good, some are even great.

Problem is, film scores almost never get mentioned in reviews because too many reviewers have no real interest in them.

Having said that, too many reviewers have no idea what a screenwriter does - and still criticize a script because they think that the script is the film, not taking into account the myriad factors which influence the script and its translation into the moving image.

So, cinematography - yes, that can easily be mentioned because it is what it is (and some reviewers even know what good cinematography is). Also, Deakins is a fave. He will always get great reviews.

[Royal Dalton]

This and the gunbarrel being at the end = disappointment.

I doubt either of them would have happened if Mendes had final cut on the film, though.

[The Shark]

I doubt either of them would have happened if Mendes had final cut on the film, though.

Who's to blame then?

[QOS4EVER]

This and the gunbarrel being at the end = disappointment.

I doubt either of them would have happened if Mendes had final cut on the film, though.

You cannot really say that, as far as we know it could be anyone.

[Royal Dalton]

I doubt either of them would have happened if Mendes had final cut on the film, though.

Who's to blame then?

Eon, Sony, or MGM.

[The Shark]

I doubt either of them would have happened if Mendes had final cut on the film, though.

Who's to blame then?

Eon, Sony, or MGM.

Maybe Tony Lewis might know something?

[junkanoo]

Damncoffee,

How does reporting where in the film the gunbarrel comes in NOT a SPOILER? Please keep that stuff out of here.

I'll leave it at that.

We should be so lucky.

What amusing irony. The haters finally get a film where David Arnold is not in the picture. Yet, somehow they still feel the need to dump on him ad nauseum. Now, they find that he is still in the picture. Sweet Karma, that.

[rteubler]

If they exist, alternative film opening and closing titles on the blu-ray extras please. Also if there is a new James Bond Theme not included in the final film, another extra.

[Royal Dalton]

How does reporting where in the film the gunbarrel comes in NOT a SPOILER?

When there's already a thread discussing it in the non-spoiler section.

[junkanoo]

How does reporting where in the film the gunbarrel comes in NOT a SPOILER?

When there's already a thread discussing it in the non-spoiler section.

That thread was intended as just another 'wish-list' thread, started long before any film reviews (which I've avoided). Or is this the old 'well, it's screwed up elsewhere, so why not here' logic?

[The Shark]

The haters finally get a film where David Arnold is not in the picture. Yet, somehow they still feel the need to dump on him ad nauseum.

Only because people are constantly drawing comparisons to Arnold (I'm as guilty of this as anyone). He's the man who scored the last 5 flicks, will likely be back for another (God help us), and now his arrangement of the Bond theme is being tracked into SKYFALL. While he might be something of a dead horse in these fan debates, he's as relevant as ever.

[Twingolot]

they should have used the coca zero - bond theme

[MattofSteel]

Arnold's "The Name's Bond...James Bond" cue being used verbatim in Skyfall is 100% fine with me. An expected reaction, as Shark will no doubt try to make some ensuing pun about.

That cue is, frankly, kind of a definitive rendition of the James Bond Theme - in my humble opinion. It's basically just a contemporary re-recording/re-mastering/whatever of the original Dr. No recording, and I don't honestly see one thing about it that's wrong or could be cause for complaint. That they've re-used it in Skyfall, apparently, would be equivalent to the producers re-using the Dr. No recording multiple times throughout the Connery/Lazenby films. Like, can Newman record a better version of the standalone theme if he tried? Or would it be different for difference's sake?

Fine with it. Thrilled with it, actually. Can't wait to hear it.

[MattofSteel]

What amusing irony. The haters finally get a film where David Arnold is not in the picture. Yet, somehow they still feel the need to dump on him ad nauseum. Now, they find that he is still in the picture. Sweet Karma, that.

It really is.