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[Arbogast777]

As someone who doesn't like the song, I don't mind at all that it's a modern sounding rock song. I loved YKMN and I think it fits the Craiq Bonds well. I just think this isn't a *good* rock song. It's all over the place with the bursts of electronics, the stopping everything at the beginning for the piano solo, etc. It feels like 3 different songs edited together.

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It feels like 3 different songs edited together.

Agreed. Maybe it is (or at least three different versions edited together). Until the final, official version is released, we won't know.

[CamExam]

Overall, to me, the song sounds very sloppy and Keys just throws off the whole song. They should of left the singing to Jack

[Quantumofsolace007]

I will say it's good. and i love it.


but i will not say how where or if i got it.

I Know NOTHING!

[Athena007]

I will say it's good. and i love it.

but i will not say how where or if i got it.

I Know NOTHING!

Jack White? We know it's you! heehee

[deth]

well now that I also have heard the full thing... I've got no big problems with it. I like YKMN more, but that's just because it seems a bit more complex and melodic... but this is fine for a Bond song. It sounds Bondish enough... and really what else matters for a Bond song? lyrics? lol...

[Vauxhall]

It's funny you should mention the complexity, because having listened to Another Way to Die through headphones, one can fully appreciate the level of detail and layering to the music. It's very impressive (perhaps with the exception of unnecessary car sounds being included...!)

[Navy007Fan]

AAAHHHHRRRRGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!! This is maddening!!!! Y'all are talking about this, and I can't find it anywhere!!!!! Guess I'll have to wait .

[The Dove]

Ugh I know how you feel, Navy007Fan..Everyone here has apparently found a secret source to link them to the full version of Another Way To Die.. Yet as tempted as I am, I will be a good boy and NOT tempt fate or risk CBN getting in trouble by asking for a link..

[Cody]

It's very impressive (perhaps with the exception of unnecessary car sounds being included...!)

That's from the Coke ad audio being spliced on at the end.

[Publius]

I do also think that Surrender beats Tomorrow Never Dies on almost every aspect. It's more catchy and stylish.

I also agree. If this was the main title song it would have been a hot contender in the franchise.

When Arnold writes something good, it's very good.

I think Surrender's greatness owes mostly to k.d. lang's powerful vocals, but admittedly it was also Arnold at his absolute best.

Haha, deja vu. I remember YKMN was loathed by loads on here at first.

Good, I'm not the only one finding it funny that YKMN seems to have a solid majority behind it now, when it was so widely defecated upon back then.

Yish... as far as I'm concerned, the only good thing about it is makes "Die Another Day" sound as good as "Goldfinger"

To be honest, I think Goldfinger is one of the worst in the series, and probably the most "overrated" (if such a thing exists). It works wonderfully as an instrumental, but Shirley Bassey's vocals here (as opposed to her excellent ones on DAF and MR) are extremely grating.

It feels like 3 different songs edited together.

Reminds me of "Live and Let Die" and Alice Cooper's "The Man with the Golden Gun."

[Donovan Mayne-Nicholls]

I thought intelligent enough not to bother self-quoting verbatim. I see now if it's not word-by-word you seem to get lost.

I think you've got lost as to what your own point is; you seem to have confused yourself.

Only the big dumb blockbusters do. You should know, after all you bothered to watch Sahara. I love cinema but I find myself hardly ever dragging my behind to the cineplex because it's all the same crap and I don't want Hollywood to spoil Bond.

So if you don't watch any films where is all this proclaimed knowledge about what they do and don't do coming from? Excuse me for turning on the film channel whilst on holiday; I should obviously be watching intelligent drama like, er, James Bond. Bad greenhouse to throw stones, this.

Everything. The Bonds are unique in that they are blatantly commercial yet they have kept a quality standard in spite of how Hollywood has tried to mess with them and that's a remnant from UA days. JB was allowed to use DAF in spite of HS hating it. According to MGW, DA's TND couldn't be used on the opening titles because MGM already had a contract with SC that granted her the spot.

So? Who'd written the most critically acclaimed and popular songs by 1997; David Arnold or Sheryl Crow? Why wouldn't you pick her if you were in their position? Apparently it's okay for Cubby to do it with FRWL but not Michael with TND?
Personally I find TND to be a more interesting and original song than Surrender, which is just a pastiche of Bond songs that had gone before. Nothing more, nothing less. It's the Bond series contemplating its navel.
And you're coming at this from the point of view that Another Way to Die is a failiure; which, I have to remind you, is just your point of view: not a fact.

Leave the titles in peace. Don't cheapen the picture by showcasing a lousy song at the start of it. I really didn't expect this all over again after YKMN, which I think it's the finest Bond song since AVTAK. The only reason this one got chosen over the possible others it's because the artists are American.

Well that's absolute rubbish for starters. Back that up with proof.
You want to ditch the titles altogether because you didn't like one Bond song? Grief; I'm glad you're not in charge- at least the Bond producers are willing to take a bit of a creative risk.

Who said anything about ditching the titles? I said ditch the crappy songs.
You should try rereading your own posts. They're so full of bad grammar (So if you don't watch any films where is all this proclaimed knowledge about what they do and don't do coming from?, etc.) that I'm finding increasingly difficult to make any sense of them. It was you who first quoted me and not otherwise, so if you're up for a verbal fight, do some training first.

[JimmyBond]

For the life of me I can't tell White's voice from Keys, the first time I listened to the song I was thinking "I thought this was a duet??"

Am I the only one that is having this problem?

[Publius]

For the life of me I can't tell White's voice from Keys, the first time I listened to the song I was thinking "I thought this was a duet??"

Am I the only one that is having this problem?

I can tell the difference, but I see what you mean. It's actually one of my favorite aspects of the song that the two voices aren't as clearly delineated as you'd expect from a male-female duet. It makes it less of a back-and-forth and more like the two are echoing each other's sentiments. Fitting given what we know of the Bond-Camille relationship.

[Mr Ashdown]

Wow, this is way ahead of its time. Fantastic stuff, and should suit the brusque, vicious, brooding tone of "Quantum of Solace" very well indeed. Every note of this song instantly conjours up an image of Daniel Craig with a Very Big Gun and a pissed-off look in his steely blue eyes.

[Publius]

Every note of this song instantly conjours up an image of Daniel Craig with a Very Big Gun and a pissed-off look in his steely blue eyes.

For me, I can picture a title sequence with Craig slinking around, getting the drop on various bad guys, but all the while being watched by shadowy eyes. Even if the dancing women return, I hope they keep the fighting silhouettes.

[Garth007]

I Love every bit of the song. This deffently ties You Know My Name as my fav. Bond theme ever. just to see the title sequence now...

[n8bond]

I can't believe that it actually got worse in full. Wow. At first I thought that maybe somebody with a really commanding edgy voice like a Chester Bennington or Steven Tyler could sing this but no it just is not a good song. It's like 3 separate god awful songs rolled into 1 frightfully bad symphony of evil. Seriously this is much more terrifying than Greene and Quantum will ever be.

[Publius]

I'm sure White and Keys must have realized this isn't exactly the most commercial sound or even the most traditionally "Bondian" sound they could have made. Given that they're both talented individuals, that can only mean this song was very deliberately crafted to be so bizarre, eclectic, etc. That makes me appreciate it even more.

[HildebrandRarity]

I have not heard the song but i'd like to ask those who are into this type of thing the following:

How high do you expect it to chart in the US and UK?

[Publius]

I have not heard the song but i'd like to ask those who are into this type of thing the following:

How high do you expect it to chart in the US and UK?

I'm nothing to go by, but I'd be surprised if it beat whichever of Brosnan's did best. This is far from the usual fodder MTV feeds to the masses. Of all the criticisms one can make about the song (and so far, I've seen just about every possibility), arguing that it's mainstream pop isn't one of them.

Hell, YKMN is far more digestible for the general public. As much as I loved it (and I probably still like it better than AWTD, albeit marginally), it was fairly straightforward rock. I wonder if White and Keys realized the powers that be chose them to get a guaranteed hit, and decided to make something they like instead.

[n8bond]

I have not heard the song but i'd like to ask those who are into this type of thing the following:

How high do you expect it to chart in the US and UK?

I'll put it to you this way. You would have to be an EXTREMELY BIG fan of BOTH to want to purchase this song or hear it on the radio. It is not a good song. It has about a minute in the middle where I have no idea what the hell is going on and Alicia seems to be having a seizure. It's a mess. So I guess my answer is not that high.

[Captain Tightpants]

I'm willing to bet that if this ad been written by Winehouse and Ronson and was being performed by her, a lot of people would like it.

[Qwerty]

I'm nothing to go by, but I'd be surprised if it beat whichever of Brosnan's did best.

The Brosnan title themes always seemed to get stuck around the #10 spot on at least one of the UK or US charts.

GoldenEye - UK #7 / US #102
Tomorrow Never Dies - UK #12
The World is not Enough - UK #11
Die Another Day - UK #3 / US #8

You Know My Name - UK #7 / US #79

[DaveBond21]

I'm nothing to go by, but I'd be surprised if it beat whichever of Brosnan's did best.

The Brosnan title themes always seemed to get stuck around the #10 spot on at least one of the UK or US charts.

GoldenEye - UK #7 / US #102
Tomorrow Never Dies - UK #12
The World is not Enough - UK #11
Die Another Day - UK #3 / US #8

You Know My Name - UK #7 / US #79

Note that Goldeneye reached No. 10 in the official UK chart, and remained in the top 75 for 9 weeks. It has been wrongly suggested in websites that it got to No, 7.

[sharpshooter]

Well, as far as Bond rock songs go, having listened to AWTD, Live and Let Die is still king.

[00Twelve]

Anyone notice the similarity between the opening guitar riff here and the one from YKMN? Rhythmically, it's exactly the same. Too much so to be coincidental, IMO. A tie-over of musical themes? Though it's not in the Bond theme key of C, it's the same intervals as the Bond theme guitar riff (which, in YKMN's case, was absolutely deliberate).

Thoughts?

[Righty007]

Anyone notice the similarity between the opening guitar riff here and the one from YKMN? Rhythmically, it's exactly the same. Too much so to be coincidental, IMO. A tie-over of musical themes? Though it's not in the Bond theme key of C, it's the same intervals as the Bond theme guitar riff (which, in YKMN's case, was absolutely deliberate).

Thoughts?

I noticed the same thing. I think it's a great homage to "You Know My Name" and Casino Royale.

[Bondian]

Anyone notice the similarity between the opening guitar riff here and the one from YKMN? Rhythmically, it's exactly the same. Too much so to be coincidental, IMO. A tie-over of musical themes? Though it's not in the Bond theme key of C, it's the same intervals as the Bond theme guitar riff (which, in YKMN's case, was absolutely deliberate).

Thoughts?

There's definitely a strong nod to 'Good Evening Friends'. Sorry, I mean 'YKMN'.

[SecretAgentFan]

Okay, have found a longer sample on the internet (about 3 minutes and 30 seconds) which sounds like the real thing. Don´t worry, won´t post any links.

And I must say, I like it BUT it really is a very chaotic song.

The instrumental passage during which (and White and Keyes mentioned that in an interview) Keyes mimics some fractured guitar chords is absolutely weird. Could imagine this cut from the film version.

Yet, the whole song grows on you the more you listen to it. And one wants to listen to it again and again just to get a grip on this thing. There is a melody. But it is IMO not as haunting as the melody of YKMN.

The whole thing sounds like White threw everything at it that came into his mind. Very instinctive. But with no clear idea where to end up. It seems to me that he tried to go in McCartney´s "Live and let die"-direction (with the disharmonic instrumental part) but couldn´t pull it together like McCartney did. And the horns do sound a bit as if White said: "Okay, do your Bond thing, right? You know, the rat-tat-tat stuff? C´mon, do it, guys! Now! Again!" It´s actually like a fanboy would orchestrate it. I had wished for a less cliché approach. Although I do say that White´s drumming is excellent and gives the song its huge energy.

Keyes, IMO, is the saving grace of this song, with her soulful voice helping out White´s hoarse and a bit too high voice.

In the end, it is an okay song. It aims to be a modern "Live and let die" but comes out as a mix of "A view to a kill" and "The man with the golden gun".