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[JADSTERSDAD]

Let's just suppose...because we don't know (and never will) that Eon are not that enthusiastic about the song...as a song (as opposed to publicity/marketing, which I'm sure they're ecstatic about already!). Has it occurred to anyone that after asking a major star to write a title tune, they'd be unlikely to reject it? Would they even ask them to change it? Ask that of Mad Donna or Jack White? I don't think so. That's why the advantage is in getting the composer to write it. It can be tooled, re-tooled and even re-done. Case in point: John Barry and a little number called 'Thunderball' (which, as everyone knows, replaced Mr.Kiss Kiss Bang Bang). Hell, composers even have whole scores rejected!

This, to me, brackets this new effort with DAD and TND. Two of the worst Bond title songs. Note that Goldeneye and Licence to Kill (which were ok) were NOT written by the singers! Ergo....

(rider: Again, this is only my opinion of the song. I know some love it and they have every right to. But us nay-sayers have an equally valid point of view).

[Mister E]

Well, I listened to the full version. It still think it's mediocre. OKAY ! THE FULL VERSION ! Now I don't want to here one damn thing about "listening to some of it" or "you aren't listening to it right" or some other excuse for shooting down what I think. I heard the whole song and I am not changing my mind, end of story.

[TheHildebrandRarity]

I just heard the full version,

I think its ok, I played it to my mum and dad and they said "whata load of rubbish".

But I think it will be ok for this film though.

It does make one wonder what Ronson and Winehouse would had come up with.

[Mister Asterix]

Let's just suppose...because we don't know (and never will) that Eon are not that enthusiastic about the song...as a song (as opposed to publicity/marketing, which I'm sure they're ecstatic about already!). Has it occurred to anyone that after asking a major star to write a title tune, they'd be unlikely to reject it? Would they even ask them to change it? Ask that of Mad Donna or Jack White? I don't think so. That's why the advantage is in getting the composer to write it. It can be tooled, re-tooled and even re-done. Case in point: John Barry and a little number called 'Thunderball' (which, as everyone knows, replaced Mr.Kiss Kiss Bang Bang). Hell, composers even have whole scores rejected!

This, to me, brackets this new effort with DAD and TND. Two of the worst Bond title songs. Note that Goldeneye and Licence to Kill (which were ok) were NOT written by the singers! Ergo....

(rider: Again, this is only my opinion of the song. I know some love it and they have every right to. But us nay-sayers have an equally valid point of view).

Haven’t we had plenty of artists with bigger names than Jack White not have their song chosen. I’d venture to say that Eon asks at least two songwriters for a demo. Though perhaps with Ronson/Winehouse dropping out, this may’ve been their only choice.

[Safari Suit]

Gallagher is certainly an egomaniac, but in an amusing (and seemingly harmless) way.

[marktmurphy]

Let's just suppose...because we don't know (and never will) that Eon are not that enthusiastic about the song...as a song (as opposed to publicity/marketing, which I'm sure they're ecstatic about already!). Has it occurred to anyone that after asking a major star to write a title tune, they'd be unlikely to reject it? Would they even ask them to change it? Ask that of Mad Donna or Jack White? I don't think so. That's why the advantage is in getting the composer to write it. It can be tooled, re-tooled and even re-done. Case in point: John Barry and a little number called 'Thunderball' (which, as everyone knows, replaced Mr.Kiss Kiss Bang Bang). Hell, composers even have whole scores rejected!

This, to me, brackets this new effort with DAD and TND. Two of the worst Bond title songs. Note that Goldeneye and Licence to Kill (which were ok) were NOT written by the singers! Ergo....

So what's your basis for saying that they wanted to reject it?
Also, White wasn't the only person they asked or heard.

I just heard the full version,

I think its ok, I played it to my mum and dad and they said "whata load of rubbish".

Then it must be good! Parents aren't supposed to like new rock songs

[TheHildebrandRarity]

Oh I like it, I think it will fit the film perfectly. I can see it working fine, its very modern but has a slight retro feel to it for me, also it has some nice piano riffs and some great chords. I like it.

[chriso]

I listened to the full version too. It sounds much better than the short version.

[marktmurphy]

Actually, I just listened to it turned up nice and loud and by the end I can't help but nod along quite forcefully- that last chorus is great: lovely and big and punchy.

[Publius]

Noel Gallagher of Oasis weighs in on this debate (kind of). Warning: some rather blue language.

http://www.nme.com/news/oasis/39763

What's with all the hate for Americans?

I just heard the full version,

I think its ok, I played it to my mum and dad and they said "whata load of rubbish".

Then it must be good! Parents aren't supposed to like new rock songs

This man speaks the truth.

[marktmurphy]

Noel Gallagher of Oasis weighs in on this debate (kind of). Warning: some rather blue language.

http://www.nme.com/news/oasis/39763

What's with all the hate for Americans?

Yeah I don't get that- I actually rather like it when it there's a US artist doing the title tune; it makes it feel like the co-production it is, and it's nice to have these massive international stars signing about a bloke from our little island: makes him seem really important. I think it's a good thing.
Although, oddly, White is pretty much an honourary Brit anyway- loves the place. You don't see many other US rock stars dressing up as Pearly Kings on their album covers!

[Publius]

Yeah I don't get that- I actually rather like it when it there's a US artist doing the title tune; it makes it feel like the co-production it is, and it's nice to have these massive international stars signing about a bloke from our little island: makes him seem really important. I think it's a good thing.
Although, oddly, White is pretty much an honourary Brit anyway- loves the place. You don't see many other US rock stars dressing up as Pearly Kings on their album covers!

Very good point. Having non-British singers really reinforces the centrality of Britain in Bond's universe. Not saying it isn't important in the real world, but if these films were anything to go by you'd swear Britain never went through the difficult times it did after the war and is now the major world power. Ian Fleming would be proud.

[British Chap]

So, apparently the full one is out there somewhere.

I can't seem to find it anywhere.

[Donovan Mayne-Nicholls]

I'm not changing the goalposts. My original post states clearly title song as opposed to just song.

So why aren't you mentioning 'specially designed credits' anymore if you're not changing what you're talking about?

I thought intelligent enough not to bother self-quoting verbatim. I see now if it's not word-by-word you seem to get lost.

I find it sad that it's the Brits and not the Yanks who're the first ones to defend Hollywood. They truly don't know how to market films. They use exactly the same approach for any movie, regardless of its target audience, plot, etc.

Where's your proof that it doesn't work? Because they seem to make a fair bit of cash to me.

Only the big dumb blockbusters do. You should know, after all you bothered to watch Sahara. I love cinema but I find myself hardly ever dragging my behind to the cineplex because it's all the same crap and I don't want Hollywood to spoil Bond.

If the Bonds ever got greenlit in the first place was because of United Artists, a unique company that was too good to be true. Columbia didn't give a flying one for Bond when they could've gotten it cheap and now they bounced into it, they call the shots like they'd never been wrong. MGM didn't take on the offer either. It's very easy to spend big bucks on a film that comes preceeded by 21 installments. There's no gamble in it.

What's this got to do with marketing or this song?

Everything. The Bonds are unique in that they are blatantly commercial yet they have kept a quality standard in spite of how Hollywood has tried to mess with them and that's a remnant from UA days. JB was allowed to use DAF in spite of HS hating it. According to MGW, DA's TND couldn't be used on the opening titles because MGM already had a contract with SC that granted her the spot.

You may no see my point but at least I've got one.

Which is...?

Leave the titles in peace. Don't cheapen the picture by showcasing a lousy song at the start of it. I really didn't expect this all over again after YKMN, which I think it's the finest Bond song since AVTAK. The only reason this one got chosen over the possible others it's because the artists are American.

Noel Gallagher of Oasis weighs in on this debate (kind of). Warning: some rather blue language.

http://www.nme.com/news/oasis/39763

After hearing their latest single, the first from their album (which is traditionally one of the strongest songs from an album) and struggling to remember how it goes whilst I'm listening to it I really doubt that he's got more songs than he knows what to do with.
I don't mind people being arrogant if they've got something to be immodest about...

[NVT]

So, apparently the full one is out there somewhere.

I can't seem to find it anywhere.

Come on, be like Bond, use your detective skills ....you'll find it, it took me two minutes to find it.

Anyway it sound too much like a studio jam version than a release version. Will have to wait and hear I guess in a few weeks time for the media coverage when it starts to appear on TV etc.

[Donovan Mayne-Nicholls]

Let's just suppose...because we don't know (and never will) that Eon are not that enthusiastic about the song...as a song (as opposed to publicity/marketing, which I'm sure they're ecstatic about already!). Has it occurred to anyone that after asking a major star to write a title tune, they'd be unlikely to reject it? Would they even ask them to change it? Ask that of Mad Donna or Jack White? I don't think so. That's why the advantage is in getting the composer to write it. It can be tooled, re-tooled and even re-done. Case in point: John Barry and a little number called 'Thunderball' (which, as everyone knows, replaced Mr.Kiss Kiss Bang Bang). Hell, composers even have whole scores rejected!

This, to me, brackets this new effort with DAD and TND. Two of the worst Bond title songs. Note that Goldeneye and Licence to Kill (which were ok) were NOT written by the singers! Ergo....

(rider: Again, this is only my opinion of the song. I know some love it and they have every right to. But us nay-sayers have an equally valid point of view).

MGW once said they couldn't put Arnold's song on the opening titles of TND because MGM had already signed Crow to it regardless of what came out.
It IS truly TND-bad. This is not about JW being a lousy artist at all. It's just that very few pop artists out there have the craft necessary to write a true Bond song.
And to think it could've been Duran Duran.

Edited by Donovan Mayne-Nicholls, 17 September 2008 - 07:36 PM.

[Hergersheimer]

This is gonna be good. First of all, this "full version," while it is longer, is not in any way a final version. It almost certainly does not reflect the structure(or sound/mixing quality) of the eventual end product. The owner of the leak even said he added the Coke commercial music to the end.

What I listened for, and what excites me, is that all the pieces are there. I can almost guarantee that the final version will bring all the sounds together beautifully. Not to mention the impact with the main titles going.

Put me on the record as an early supporter!

[Loomis]

So this "full version" is.... what, exactly? Some kind of fan "imagining" of what the final product might be like, edited together from various bits and pieces?

[Bond#9-GeorgeKemp]

I havn't heard it but I really like the instrumental in the coke ad, bit of a throwback and I hope the full song is a little darker to go with what is looking like a positively caliginous film!

Check out MHarkin's tv spot, lovely pairing

[iexpectu2die]

So this "full version" is.... what, exactly? Some kind of fan "imagining" of what the final product might be like, edited together from various bits and pieces?

nope - it seems like a very rough mix of the final song.

Well I'm shocked to say, after hearing this full version, I'm pretty much sold. Its a cool song, catchy and fun, and the opening is great!
Bond never stays the same for long, and right now, this song fits Bond's vibe. I'm sure the traditionalists will get their treat soon enough.
My brother listened to this, (he's a more 'passing' Bond fan) and his first comment was "This is good. Its more 'Bondian' than YKMN".
And I can definitely imagine it playing over the titles.

[Bond#9-GeorgeKemp]

Just had a listen thanks to my unknown source... And I'm a big fan! It hits you with some great brass/piano work which I love. Surprised by the vocals but not disappointed, I agree with iexpectu2die above, GREAT opening and it seems to fit for now.

Alicia runs away with the singing a bit in the middle but she's got a great voice. Can't wait to see/hear it in the movie!

[dee-bee-five]

I made no secret of being underwhelmed by the choice of title song performers. But I also promised that I would say I liked it if I did. The poor quality section I've heard is far too little to form a definitive opinion. But I have to be honest and report that I didn't find it bad at all from what I have heard. More positive than I felt after hearing YKMN for the first time, certainly.

[TheHildebrandRarity]

This song really does rock!! The more I play it the better it becomes, there are a lot of elements in this that I love, the guitar, the drums, the brass, the riffs etc... its a great song and I can see this working well for the titles.

[marktmurphy]

So this "full version" is.... what, exactly? Some kind of fan "imagining" of what the final product might be like, edited together from various bits and pieces?

Not really- it seems to be the whole song but just missing the end (after the singing has finished), and the Coke ad fits perfectly on there: it's a very good fit. There's only one edit in there. It may not be 100% correct but I'll bet it's not far off.

[marktmurphy]

I thought intelligent enough not to bother self-quoting verbatim. I see now if it's not word-by-word you seem to get lost.

I think you've got lost as to what your own point is; you seem to have confused yourself.

Only the big dumb blockbusters do. You should know, after all you bothered to watch Sahara. I love cinema but I find myself hardly ever dragging my behind to the cineplex because it's all the same crap and I don't want Hollywood to spoil Bond.

So if you don't watch any films where is all this proclaimed knowledge about what they do and don't do coming from? Excuse me for turning on the film channel whilst on holiday; I should obviously be watching intelligent drama like, er, James Bond. Bad greenhouse to throw stones, this.

Everything. The Bonds are unique in that they are blatantly commercial yet they have kept a quality standard in spite of how Hollywood has tried to mess with them and that's a remnant from UA days. JB was allowed to use DAF in spite of HS hating it. According to MGW, DA's TND couldn't be used on the opening titles because MGM already had a contract with SC that granted her the spot.

So? Who'd written the most critically acclaimed and popular songs by 1997; David Arnold or Sheryl Crow? Why wouldn't you pick her if you were in their position? Apparently it's okay for Cubby to do it with FRWL but not Michael with TND?
Personally I find TND to be a more interesting and original song than Surrender, which is just a pastiche of Bond songs that had gone before. Nothing more, nothing less. It's the Bond series contemplating its navel.
And you're coming at this from the point of view that Another Way to Die is a failiure; which, I have to remind you, is just your point of view: not a fact.

Leave the titles in peace. Don't cheapen the picture by showcasing a lousy song at the start of it. I really didn't expect this all over again after YKMN, which I think it's the finest Bond song since AVTAK. The only reason this one got chosen over the possible others it's because the artists are American.

Well that's absolute rubbish for starters. Back that up with proof.
You want to ditch the titles altogether because you didn't like one Bond song? Grief; I'm glad you're not in charge- at least the Bond producers are willing to take a bit of a creative risk.

[_Ozu_]

Where in the world is Waldo? Jack Waldo, of course...

Don't worry about the 'roughness' of the song, you know it will have changes on the movie...of course all of them will be improvements.

[blueman]

Is that the strongest chorus for a Bond tune since LALD or what???

[Satorious]

I almost needed my ears replaced after hearing Alicia grunting at about 2.48 in the track. Still not a good Bond track in my opinion. Heck, I'd even take an Arnold written track over this. Still, it's only 3 minutes worth of the film, so I'll just take in the ear-plugs and take in the MK12's visuals instead.

[Publius]

I almost needed my ears replaced after hearing Alicia grunting

I could do with a little more grunting from her, in a private jam session of course...

[Mr_Wint]

The full version makes it sound slightly better. Still, huge disappointment. Second worst Bondtheme ever, after DAD.