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[Bondian]

From the side that likes the song, let me just say; You've been forgiven.

GoldenEye by Tina, Bono and Edge seems better with Klienmann's cool titles. On its own it's not so cool, i.m.o. In fact, for me, it drags and I now can't stomach listening to it fully on CD. On DVD, however, I actually like the song in combination of the visuals.

I think you've hit the nail on the head, old chappie. The recent songs go better with the titles than as a separate piece. What I've heard so far, this song sounds like something you'd hear on holiday in 'Butlins' or 'Hoseasons'. Just a badly made up excuse for a song. When you think of classics like 'Goldfinger' when the lyrics are still pointless, you still have a theme that sticks in your head when you leave the cinema/theater.

This may grow on me on further listenings. But even 'YKMN' took me a long time to like. But it's far away from even the worst bond theme from Barry etc.

Cheers,


John Barry.

[Royal Dalton]

Actually, there is meaning in the lyrics, you just have to think abou them a little bit. This is wha I posted a few pages back:I know the player with the slick trigger finger for Her Majesty
We establish that it's Bond. He's being likened to a pawn or a contestant in a game, which seems apt given what has gone before.

I think it's "blinger" rather than "player".

[TaoMike]

Am I the only one who really likes this, now? It's "off the chain", as Keys herself terms it!

No, you're not.

I really kind of dig it, and I'm not sure why. "Modern", "Retro", "Retro-Modern", whatever. I just like it.

Is it destined to be a "Goldfinger" or "Thunderball"? Probably not. (But, let's face it, those songs were definitely "of their time" and would not be written today.) But could it rank with "Live and Let Die", "A View to a Kill", and "Goldeneye"? Yeah, maybe so.

But, hey, if you hate it, I'm not here to convince you otherwise. Like everything else, it's subjective. Maybe you'll get lucky with the next theme...

[HildebrandRarity]

Is this link "legal"?

[danslittlefinger]

Is this link "legal"?

That's what I'm thinking..a bit early for a "leak" isnt it?

Anyway, not blown away by it so far tbh.

[BlackFire]

I think not... I just went to youtube and noticed that this was as Music Video but was removed due to copyright from Sony/BGM

Edited by BlackFire, 17 September 2008 - 02:15 AM.

[danslittlefinger]

I think not... I just went to youtube and noticed that this was as Music Video but was removed due to copyright from Sony/BGM

So that was an unofficial leak then...?? who-hooo

[deth]

this is the same one that's already been leaked...

[Marketto007]

Same file.

xxx

[JackWade]

Are we listening to the same song ? Because this sounds EXACTLY like the same songs they play on the radio. I am not going to say MTV because they don't play music anymore.

Huh? I don't think you listen to the radio.

I listen (sometimes against my will) to a lot of different FM radio at my place of employment, anything from rock, pop, R&B, and rap. This song sounds nothing like anything on the radio right now. Period.

I don't really know about MTV as every time I switch to that putrid channel I want to ram my head through the screen, but last I checked, the only music that MTV ever played was crappy Fall Out Boy-type rock and mindless gangsta rap.

Edited by JackWade, 17 September 2008 - 03:50 AM.

[Mister E]

Are we listening to the same song ? Because this sounds EXACTLY like the same songs they play on the radio. I am not going to say MTV because they don't play music anymore.

Huh? I don't think you listen to the radio.

I listen (sometimes against my will) to a lot of different FM radio at my place of employment, anything from rock, pop, R&B, and rap. This song sounds nothing like anything on the radio right now. Period.

I don't really know about MTV as every time I switch to that putrid channel I want to ram my head through the screen, but last I checked, the only music that MTV ever played was crappy Fall Out Boy-type rock and mindless gangsta rap.

I am not saying it's that bad but AWTD really dosen't make too much of a distinction of what is currently on the airwaves. It isn't that unique.

[DR76]

The theme song for TND is a step back from GE????


I thought that GE sucked big time. For me, it's the worst Bond theme song ever.

[Donovan Mayne-Nicholls]

Mediocre. While not as bad as DAD, it does suffer the syptoms of all "fake" Bond songs (those which didn't involve the score composer). It feels the need to legitimise itself by stealing from real Bond songs (I can see forthcoming editions of the James Bond greatest hits changing the credits to include Monty Norman as co-)composer). I find it laughable all the supporters hoping for the melody to be quoted by Arnold in his score because a) the score is almost ready and there's no melody there to quote. The lyrics are bloody awful. Explicit references a la Sheryl Crow.
The much maligned You Know My Name was better by any standards. The brass chords were integral to the song rather than merely cosmetic and the lyrics were literate by comparison.Even if this is a rough mix (it sounds so), it will only improve sonically but composition-wise, they'd have to start all over again.

Edited by Donovan Mayne-Nicholls, 17 September 2008 - 04:17 AM.

[Mister E]

Mediocre. While not as bad as DAD, it does suffer the syptoms of all "fake" Bond songs (those which didn't involve the score composer). It feels the need to legitimise itself by stealing from real Bond songs (I can see forthcoming editions of the James Bond greatest hits changing the credits to include Monty Norman as co-)composer). I find it laughable all the supporters hoping for the melody to be quoted by Arnold in his score because a) the score is almost ready and there's no melody there to quote. The lyrics are bloody awful. Explicit references a la Sheryl Crow.
The much maligned You Know My Name was better by any standards. The brass chords were integral to the song rather than merely cosmetic and the lyrics were literate by comparison.Even if this is a rough mix (it sounds so), it will only improve sonically but composition-wise, they'd have to start all over again.

I agree 100%.

[MajorB]

As someone who likes an actual melody, I didn't care for it at all initially. I think it actually has less of a melody than DAD. But after a few more listens, I've found it growing on me a little. Still getting used to the sound, and I would barely have any idea of the lyrics if someone hadn't transcribed them. Bu I like the energy and bounce. And assuming--based on the Coke ad--that it's going to build toward the end, I think I'll end up liking it. Same thing happened for me with YKMN. But I won't really be able to judge until the full version's released.

...'Course, once ths full version's released, it's going to take me a little while to stop expecting the Spanish DJ talking in the middle of it.....

[CamExam]

Is it just me or does Keys voice sound badly recorded. It just sounds like it was thrown together

[Donovan Mayne-Nicholls]

Mediocre. While not as bad as DAD, it does suffer the syptoms of all "fake" Bond songs (those which didn't involve the score composer). It feels the need to legitimise itself by stealing from real Bond songs (I can see forthcoming editions of the James Bond greatest hits changing the credits to include Monty Norman as co-)composer). I find it laughable all the supporters hoping for the melody to be quoted by Arnold in his score because a) the score is almost ready and there's no melody there to quote. The lyrics are bloody awful. Explicit references a la Sheryl Crow.
The much maligned You Know My Name was better by any standards. The brass chords were integral to the song rather than merely cosmetic and the lyrics were literate by comparison.Even if this is a rough mix (it sounds so), it will only improve sonically but composition-wise, they'd have to start all over again.

I agree 100%.

MGM keep thinking they're going to get another hit when the last time a Bond song charted was in '85. From MGW's comments about TND, I get the feeling Eon has as little say in this matter as in the art campaign. The latter doesn't matter as it's not included in the movie, but to treat the song as a mere marketing song shows how incredibly disrespectful they are. Eon had been doing these films for two decades before MGM even got involved and you get the feeling they still have to deal with stupid studio executives who've never paid to watch a movie in a cinema. I also get the feeling that for a brand-new partner, Sony are even pushier.

[Bondian]

So far I think it's garbage, and that was garbage too.

[JimmyBond]

I refuse to comment on it till I hear the whole song.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

Mediocre. While not as bad as DAD, it does suffer the syptoms of all "fake" Bond songs (those which didn't involve the score composer). It feels the need to legitimise itself by stealing from real Bond songs (I can see forthcoming editions of the James Bond greatest hits changing the credits to include Monty Norman as co-)composer). I find it laughable all the supporters hoping for the melody to be quoted by Arnold in his score because a) the score is almost ready and there's no melody there to quote. The lyrics are bloody awful. Explicit references a la Sheryl Crow.
The much maligned You Know My Name was better by any standards. The brass chords were integral to the song rather than merely cosmetic and the lyrics were literate by comparison.Even if this is a rough mix (it sounds so), it will only improve sonically but composition-wise, they'd have to start all over again.

A ) You do realise Arnold didn't have to listen to pirated Spanish radio to hear the song like the rest of us?

B ) Who says Arnold has to quote the main chorus? There are plenty of ideas in there that he could lift and adopt into a score just like he did with segments of YKMN.

Edited by Mr Teddy Bear, 17 September 2008 - 06:12 AM.

[Zorin Industries]

It is a lot easier to criticize than actually create something "better".

Beautifully said. Perfect words for A LOT of griping and anorak moaning round here.

[Mercator]

It is a lot easier to criticize than actually create something "better".

Beautifully said. Perfect words for A LOT of griping and anorak moaning round here.

Also, we ken not say we do not for to have liked the song? Is expression not gripping, no? Is opinion, no? Some of us do not like it - it is the View To The Kill of Bond songs. Yes, that bad. But some who have less good music sense has the likings. They think is the The Spy Loves Me of Bond songs. Yes, that good. You must have the open mind, Zorn Industries. I hope for just one time they bring Dame Bassey with a good song that people will have remembrance of. Just one time. This is fair, no?

Edited by Mercator, 17 September 2008 - 08:53 AM.

[Zorin Industries]

It is a lot easier to criticize than actually create something "better".

Beautifully said. Perfect words for A LOT of griping and anorak moaning round here.

Also, we ken not say we do not for to have liked the song? Is expression not gripping, no? Is opinion, no? Some of us do not like it - it is the View To The Kill of Bond songs. Yes, that bad. But some has the likings. They think is the The Spy Loves Me of Bond songs. Yes, that good. I hope for just one time they bring Dame Bassey with a good song that people will have remembrance of. Just one time. This is fair, no?

Course.

If it was the A VIEW TO A KILL of Bond songs... then a lot more people would like it.

I know I like it. And I know the film will like it. That's enough for me. There's no point trying to convince people otherwise.

Isn't nostalgia a dangerous tool in the hands of fans...? Or should I say limiting.

[Royal Dalton]

It is a lot easier to criticize than actually create something "better".

Beautifully said. Perfect words for A LOT of griping and anorak moaning round here.

No, it's a nonsense argument.

And calling people "fanboys" and "anoraks" because they happen to have a different opinion to your own isn't very nice, either.

[The ides of Mark]

I was in shock when I heard YKMN the first time, but in the film it worked really well. Again, I'm not too possitive about this one, but who knows how it may turn out? The music reminds me a bit of 'Come with me', the Godzilla-soundtrack by Jimmy Page and P. Diddy.

[Zorin Industries]

It is a lot easier to criticize than actually create something "better".

Beautifully said. Perfect words for A LOT of griping and anorak moaning round here.

No, it's a nonsense argument.

And calling people "fanboys" and "anoraks" because they happen to have a different opinion to your own isn't very nice, either.

I stand by my thoughts (as echoed by NVT) that a great many followers of the series still do not get the films - how they work, why they work and when they work. Of course we all have favourites and they should be separate from everyone else. I don't think GOLDFINGER is the Best Bond Ever. I have a favourite, but it is not the best Bond film by a long stretch (though I could defend why it might be). A lot of fans are unable to separate the film and the canon from the film in the cultural context it arrived in or the cultural zeitgeist it is reflecting.

And all of this moaning tends to come from people who could not do any better. That doesn't mean they cannot moan at all. Of course they can. But to do so from a perspective that is damning someone else's creative efforts without an understanding of the context of their work is foolish and gets the fan world of James Bond 007 nowhere.

Getting back to the song....

DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER, GOLDFINGER, A VIEW TO A KILL, FOR YOUR EYES ONLY, LIVE AND LET DIE, THUNDERBALL ... they were all songs that were as much about the cultural era they emerged in as they were Bond song standards. What happened since 1995 was that we had 007 title tracks that were trying harder to be 'Bond Songs' rather than solid pieces of contemporary music. When Madonna, Cornell, White & Keys come along and create solid Bond songs AND contemporary sounding tracks at the same time, a lot of people panic and let nostalgia damn the tracks.

Moses did not come down from that viewing theatre on the Mount and declare all Bond songs should contain brass, guitars and Shirley Bassey. The first Bond song ever heard on film was a Jamaican calypso ditty that couldn't be less 007 if it tried.

[Safari Suit]

I mostly agree with you, but I wouldn't have said Cornell's effort was very contemprary sounding.

[marktmurphy]

I am not saying it's that bad but AWTD really dosen't make too much of a distinction of what is currently on the airwaves. It isn't that unique.

Does it have to be? It's a Raconteurs track with a campily serious twist. There's no reason for it to be something we've never heard before. Just like there's no actual problem with Casino Royale having elements of the Bourne movies in it.

I find it laughable all the supporters hoping for the melody to be quoted by Arnold in his score because the score is almost ready

I very much doubt that this is the first time the producers have heard the track.

I mostly agree with you, but I wouldn't have said Cornell's effort was very contemprary sounding.

I'd agree with that- YKMN was a Bond song (i.e. slightly out of touch) 'doing' rock: this is an actual contemporary rock song doing Bond, which is the way I prefer it.

[Zorin Industries]

I am not saying it's that bad but AWTD really dosen't make too much of a distinction of what is currently on the airwaves. It isn't that unique.

Does it have to be? It's a Raconteurs track with a campily serious twist. There's no reason for it to be something we've never heard before. Just like there's no actual problem with Casino Royale having elements of the Bourne movies in it.

I find it laughable all the supporters hoping for the melody to be quoted by Arnold in his score because the score is almost ready

I very much doubt that this is the first time the producers have heard the track.

I mostly agree with you, but I wouldn't have said Cornell's effort was very contemprary sounding.

I'd agree with that- YKMN was a Bond song (i.e. slightly out of touch) 'doing' rock: this is an actual contemporary rock song doing Bond, which is the way I prefer it.

Fair point.

QUANTUM OF SOLACE has been locked off and finished for a while now. The score was finished a while back and the titles are in place. It has been made and I would imagine everyone at Eon and Sony have heard the title track once or twice by now... (!).

[JADSTERSDAD]

Mediocre. While not as bad as DAD, it does suffer the syptoms of all "fake" Bond songs (those which didn't involve the score composer). It feels the need to legitimise itself by stealing from real Bond songs (I can see forthcoming editions of the James Bond greatest hits changing the credits to include Monty Norman as co-)composer). I find it laughable all the supporters hoping for the melody to be quoted by Arnold in his score because a) the score is almost ready and there's no melody there to quote. The lyrics are bloody awful. Explicit references a la Sheryl Crow.
The much maligned You Know My Name was better by any standards. The brass chords were integral to the song rather than merely cosmetic and the lyrics were literate by comparison.Even if this is a rough mix (it sounds so), it will only improve sonically but composition-wise, they'd have to start all over again.

Perfectly put.