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[Kristian]

I honestly agree but wanna go one step further.


I want a main bond girl to survive and come BACK ina future bond film as an ally (and perhaps lover) of bond. She wouldn't have to be the main girl persay in the second one but it would be nice to see a Bond girl in 2 films.

Perhaps is not Camilie then Gala Brand ( i have an idea that her first film end well like moonraker she leaves and then something causes the 2 of them to reunite in a second film both times i feel they should end up under the covers .....posibly if not both at least one of the two times)



Thanks Kristen is it

I try to be smart and it's ok you didn't seem rude to me I'm thankfull you like my medocare attempt to come up with an ending based on what we know.


In all honesty I just hope Quantum ends with an amazing scene that get me (and hopefully you) pumped for bond 23 and i'd like to be able to predict the title for bond 23 I figured Bond 22 was going to be titled Quantum of solace after seeing Casino Royale. Let's see if lighting can strike twice.

Agreed, Q. I also would like a smashing ending for QOS. I actually now think the helicopter rescuing Greene is a good idea. Still not sold, however, on two things:

1. Camille dying - I only agree with this if she become so twisted with lust for revenge that she becomes consumed by it, and Bond is aghast at what could happen if he follows down that route. But the reports that I've read elsewhere state that Camille's vengeance is against Medrano - and she actually gets it. Supposedly, there is a line in the QOS game that was taken from the script wherein Camille says to Bond "I'll take care of Medrano - Greene is yours." Which makes sense given what we know about the story and Camille's history. So, if this is accurate, why is Camille supposed to die? What sense would it make to have her kill Medrano, and then have Greene kill her? It doesn't teach her a lesson - it's not like she was after Greene. It's just gratuitous. And it reeks of "Let's imitate CASINO ROYALE'S downer ending..." on Forster's part. Remember - he was the one who demanded rewrites on P&W's first draft by Paul Haggis. I think this was probably a good thing - but let's hope they are not trying to recreate CR's glory. They need to find their own.

2. Bond resigning - Again, this is repetitive and lazy. He resigned in CR - he actually sent the email to M. So what is this twaddle about resigning again? If I were M I would almost say to him:

"Dude, this goes with the territory. If I would have known what a simpering pansy you would turn out to be - threatening to quit every few months and all that -I would have never given you Double-Oh status. What did you think we were? A knitting group? There are bad people out there. You stop them, by any means necessary. Sometimes good people die in the process. Oh, well. End of story. Do you need a goddamn Powerpoint Presentation to drive the message home? All of a sudden you have a problem with all this just because you foolishly fell in love with a girl right after sitting with her fully-clothed on a shower floor? Okay, so she betrayed you. Guess what, Romeo? Betrayals happen every day - deal with it. Most people manage to do so without being anywhere near as melodramatic and wishy-washy as you. Now, make up you mind you silly Drama Queen: stay or go? And, please... while you're trying to decide, do us all a favor and grow a pair."

I mean, if IMDB review is right, and Bond actually quits because of "everything I've seen in the last few months," then I am seriously going to cringe. This to me, would even be worse than Camille dying - a James Bond who seems tough on the surface but is actually a Grade A Wimp. I thought this movie was Bond coming to terms with who he has to be - a cold, professional, killing machine. In a lot of ways, it should be similar to ELIZABETH - wherein Cate Blanchett realizes that in order to survive as the Queen of England, she needs to numb herself and be ruthless. That's what Quantum of Solace should be - Bond finding the middle ground between being numb and feeling something - and then moving on as an agent. NOT RESIGNING LIKE A POUTING SCHOOLBOY!!!!!

You're right, Q. Any ending that can get us fired up - which to me is any ending besides a resignation ending. Also, the producers have to remember that the audiences that make Bond films a hit are the masses, not the rabid Bond-philes like us here on CBN. If they end QOS with Bond resigning (yet again - yawn) it may lead some less-than-bright audience members to have NO ANTICIPATION OF THE NEXT FILM. The dorks may react like: "Well, guess that's all over. Hey, when's TRANSFORMERS 2 come out?" People have short attention spans and memories - and they're getting even shorter everyday.

Finally, yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you that we should get a Bond girl to reappear in subsequent Bond movies. I had hoped Camille could fit this bill. That is, before I read the IMDB review and stated worrying that she may not be long for this world. I know that they tried to bring Wai Lin (Michelle Yeoh) back for DAD and even scripted an action scene in the Hong Kong hotel for her and Bond. But Michelle turned it down, and as a result that movie's one other potential saving grace (besides Rosamund Pike, that is) was eradicated. God, I hate Jinx. Or at least the way Halle Berry (who I normally love) played her. I guess I just can't get past her hair. She looks like 10-year-old Cuban boy. But I digress...

We'll find out soon enough about QOS. And depending on how it all shakes down, Marc Forster will either have us eating out of his hands - or hell to pay.

Edited by Kristian, 12 October 2008 - 07:47 PM.

[ForMathis]

Bond resigning - Again, this is repetitive and lazy. He resigned in CR - he actually sent the email to M. So what is this twaddle about resigning again? If I were M I would almost say to him:

"Dude, this goes with the territory. If I would have known what a simpering pansy you would turn out to be - threatening to quit every few months and all that -I would have never given you Double-Oh status. What did you think we were? A knitting group? There are bad people out there. You stop them, by any means necessary. End of story. Do you need a goddamn Powerpoint Presentation to drive the message home? All of a sudden you have a problem with all this just because you foolishly fell in love with a girl right after sitting with her fully-clothed on a shower floor. Oh, and the hussy betrayed you. Guess what, Romeo? Betrayals happen every day - deal with it. Most people manage to do it without being anywhere near as melodramatic as you. Now, make up you mind you silly Drama Queen: stay or go? And, please... while you're trying to decide, please do grow a pair."

I mean, if IMDB review is right, and Bond actually quits because of "everything I've seen in the last few months," then I am seriously going to cringe. This to me, would even be worse than Camille dying - a James Bond who seems tough on the surface but is actually a Grade A Wimp. I thought this movie was Bond coming to terms with who he has to be - and I hope that is truly what it is.

You're right, Q. Any ending that can get us fired up - which to me is any ending besides a resignation ending. Also, the producers have to remember that the audiences that make Bond a hit are the masses, not the rabid Bond-philes like us here on CBN. If they end QOS with Bond resigning (yet again - yawn) it may lead some less-than-bright audience to have NO ANTICIPATION of the next film. The dorks may react like: "Well, guess that's all over. Hey, when's TRANSFORMERS 2 come out?"

We'll find out soon enough.

Agreed.

The soundtrack listing gives me hope "I never left"

[Kristian]

Bond resigning - Again, this is repetitive and lazy. He resigned in CR - he actually sent the email to M. So what is this twaddle about resigning again? If I were M I would almost say to him:

"Dude, this goes with the territory. If I would have known what a simpering pansy you would turn out to be - threatening to quit every few months and all that -I would have never given you Double-Oh status. What did you think we were? A knitting group? There are bad people out there. You stop them, by any means necessary. End of story. Do you need a goddamn Powerpoint Presentation to drive the message home? All of a sudden you have a problem with all this just because you foolishly fell in love with a girl right after sitting with her fully-clothed on a shower floor. Oh, and the hussy betrayed you. Guess what, Romeo? Betrayals happen every day - deal with it. Most people manage to do it without being anywhere near as melodramatic as you. Now, make up you mind you silly Drama Queen: stay or go? And, please... while you're trying to decide, please do grow a pair."

I mean, if IMDB review is right, and Bond actually quits because of "everything I've seen in the last few months," then I am seriously going to cringe. This to me, would even be worse than Camille dying - a James Bond who seems tough on the surface but is actually a Grade A Wimp. I thought this movie was Bond coming to terms with who he has to be - and I hope that is truly what it is.

You're right, Q. Any ending that can get us fired up - which to me is any ending besides a resignation ending. Also, the producers have to remember that the audiences that make Bond a hit are the masses, not the rabid Bond-philes like us here on CBN. If they end QOS with Bond resigning (yet again - yawn) it may lead some less-than-bright audience to have NO ANTICIPATION of the next film. The dorks may react like: "Well, guess that's all over. Hey, when's TRANSFORMERS 2 come out?"

We'll find out soon enough.

Agreed.

The soundtrack listing gives me hope "I never left"

Thank, ForMathis. Let's kiss and make up, shall we? You did make some fine points earlier. I do need to stop cussing like a sailor (but it's so fun - and sailors are, too!). Anyway, I do agree that the last track is a sign of hope.

All in all, I have high hopes for QOS. I am confident in Marc Forster, and I hope he manages to honor the unique spirit of CR, the traditional spirit of the Bond series overall, and strike his own ground.

We'll see. But I will tell you all right now - if Camille dies for no good reason, you will hear my scream of rage from all over the world...

[Bueno]

I honestly agree but wanna go one step further.


I want a main bond girl to survive and come BACK ina future bond film as an ally (and perhaps lover) of bond. She wouldn't have to be the main girl persay in the second one but it would be nice to see a Bond girl in 2 films.

Perhaps is not Camilie then Gala Brand ( i have an idea that her first film end well like moonraker she leaves and then something causes the 2 of them to reunite in a second film both times i feel they should end up under the covers .....posibly if not both at least one of the two times)

I love this idea. I've always wanted a Bond Girl to make an appearance as an ally.

Kristian:

I know that they tried to bring Wai Lin (Michelle Yeoh) back for DAD and even scripted an action scene in the Hong Kong hotel for her and Bond. But Michelle turned it down,

Wow! I never knew that. Michelle Yeoh is one of my favourite actresses. Would have loved to see her make an appearance, she certainly couldn't have made DAD any worse

Edited by Bueno, 12 October 2008 - 08:55 PM.

[Quantumofsolace007]

I had a musing as thought if you will.

What if Bond does quit but we're mistinerpting the reason why.

Perhaps Bond is fed up not with the loss of life as everyone assumes but with the buracracy and the fact that Quantum has members in the Cia and MI6 so he has no idea who is on his side and who isn't and untill he figures that out ti's best to be alone?

Kristian I look foward to you hating or loving (probably hationg lol) my idea


Danny

Edited by Quantumofsolace007, 12 October 2008 - 10:13 PM.

[Kristian]

I had a musing as thought if you will.

What if Bond does quit but we're mistinerpting the reason why.

Perhaps Bond is fed up not with the loss of life as everyone assumes but with the buracracy and the fact that Quantum has members in the Cia and MI6 so he has no idea who is on his side and who isn't and untill he figures that out ti's best to be alone?

Kristen I look foward to you hating or loving (probably hationg lol) my idea



Danny

Actually, Danny... I don't hate it. In fact, I understand why he would do that. But sometimes, it's when we don't do what we really want but instead do what is best for the greater good, that our character and our integrity is forged. It would be cool for Bond to consider leaving because he doesn't know who to trust. Then he realizes that would still be giving up - even if for a better reason. So he stays. To make a difference. To keep on fighting.

That's the ending I would love.

Good input, kiddo...

Edited by Kristian, 12 October 2008 - 10:19 PM.

[Quantumofsolace007]

I had a musing as thought if you will.

What if Bond does quit but we're mistinerpting the reason why.

Perhaps Bond is fed up not with the loss of life as everyone assumes but with the buracracy and the fact that Quantum has members in the Cia and MI6 so he has no idea who is on his side and who isn't and untill he figures that out ti's best to be alone?

Kristen I look foward to you hating or loving (probably hationg lol) my idea



Danny

Actually, Danny... I don't hate it. In fact, I understand why he would do that. But sometimes, it's when we don't do what we really want but instead do what is best for the greater good, that our character and our integrity is forged. It would be cool for Bond to consider leaving because he doesn't know who to trust. Then he realizes that would still be giving up - even if for a better reason. So he stays. To make a difference. To keep on fighting.

That's the ending I would love.

Good input, kiddo...

I'm 21 lol.


I know typos and poor grammer is a pet peeve and I'm sorry I have no excuse.



I'm in both camps

If bond Quits at the end and it's Dark and moody and DONE WELL

Awesome

If he stays on and says hopw he will never leave again i'm happy cause he will be pissed off and i know Quantum is in for a world of hurt in bond 23.

[Kristian]

I had a musing as thought if you will.

What if Bond does quit but we're mistinerpting the reason why.

Perhaps Bond is fed up not with the loss of life as everyone assumes but with the buracracy and the fact that Quantum has members in the Cia and MI6 so he has no idea who is on his side and who isn't and untill he figures that out ti's best to be alone?

Kristen I look foward to you hating or loving (probably hationg lol) my idea



Danny

Actually, Danny... I don't hate it. In fact, I understand why he would do that. But sometimes, it's when we don't do what we really want but instead do what is best for the greater good, that our character and our integrity is forged. It would be cool for Bond to consider leaving because he doesn't know who to trust. Then he realizes that would still be giving up - even if for a better reason. So he stays. To make a difference. To keep on fighting.

That's the ending I would love.

Good input, kiddo...

I'm 21 lol.


I know typos and poor grammer is a pet peeve and I'm sorry I have no excuse.



I'm in both camps

If bond Quits at the end and it's Dark and moody and DONE WELL

Awesome

If he stays on and says hopw he will never leave again i'm happy cause he will be pissed off and i know Quantum is in for a world of hurt in bond 23.

Danny, when I wrote "good input" I meant your suggestions. They really were good. And when I wrote "kiddo" well, I call everyone that. Even my Dad.... And let's just forget about perfect ENglish shall we and tipe aniway we wont and not wurry ahbout being creeticised. See? I can do it, too. This is isn't English class after all...

Anyhow, I am just a bit worried that Forster might get too carried away with "Creating my Own Bond" palaver and make some wrong choices. But we'll see. And regarding the ending of TDK, when Batman was riding into the night and Gordon's basically jizzzing himself wih "He's a fearless protector... a silent guardian... A DARK KNIGHT!!!!" I thought that a bit mushy. I was like, "Dude, why don't you marry him?"

Your suggestions were actually better than that. Anyhow, let's see what Baldie Marc Forster and Paul Haggis cook up.

[SolidWaffle]

The soundtrack listing of "I Never Left" kinda says something along the lines of this to me:

This is an outline, not the actual lines.
M: So can I expect you back?
Bond: I never left.
Bond walks away into the cold Moscovian night. I don't even know if that's a word.

Saying "I never left", which presumably is a line, comes pretty close to completely debunking a resignation. Logic, people.

Hey, I'm a Midshipman now!

Edited by SolidWaffle, 13 October 2008 - 01:42 AM.

[ForMathis]

The soundtrack listing of "I Never Left" kinda says something along the lines of this to me:

This is an outline, not the actual lines.
M: So can I expect you back?
Bond: I never left.
Bond walks away into the cold Moscovian night. I don't even know if that's a word.

Saying "I never left", which presumably is a line, comes pretty close to completely debunking a resignation. Logic, people.

Hey, I'm a Midshipman now!

That is what I want. Something that solidifies Bond as the Bond we know completing the character arc started in Casino Royale.

If bond leaves the service at the end of QoS than he is still not 'Bond' in my opinion and the next director/crew has a lot of baggage to deal with.

_

I agree the end monologue of TDK was slightly melo-dramatic but at least it proved that the Nolan brothers GOT Batman.

[Quantumofsolace007]

I had a musing as thought if you will.

What if Bond does quit but we're mistinerpting the reason why.

Perhaps Bond is fed up not with the loss of life as everyone assumes but with the buracracy and the fact that Quantum has members in the Cia and MI6 so he has no idea who is on his side and who isn't and untill he figures that out ti's best to be alone?

Kristen I look foward to you hating or loving (probably hationg lol) my idea



Danny

Actually, Danny... I don't hate it. In fact, I understand why he would do that. But sometimes, it's when we don't do what we really want but instead do what is best for the greater good, that our character and our integrity is forged. It would be cool for Bond to consider leaving because he doesn't know who to trust. Then he realizes that would still be giving up - even if for a better reason. So he stays. To make a difference. To keep on fighting.

That's the ending I would love.

Good input, kiddo...

I'm 21 lol.


I know typos and poor grammer is a pet peeve and I'm sorry I have no excuse.



I'm in both camps

If bond Quits at the end and it's Dark and moody and DONE WELL

Awesome

If he stays on and says hopw he will never leave again i'm happy cause he will be pissed off and i know Quantum is in for a world of hurt in bond 23.

Danny, when I wrote "good input" I meant your suggestions. They really were good. And when I wrote "kiddo" well, I call everyone that. Even my Dad.... And let's just forget about perfect ENglish shall we and tipe aniway we wont and not wurry ahbout being creeticised. See? I can do it, too. This is isn't English class after all...

Anyhow, I am just a bit worried that Forster might get too carried away with "Creating my Own Bond" palaver and make some wrong choices. But we'll see. And regarding the ending of TDK, when Batman was riding into the night and Gordon's basically jizzzing himself wih "He's a fearless protector... a silent guardian... A DARK KNIGHT!!!!" I thought that a bit mushy. I was like, "Dude, why don't you marry him?"

Your suggestions were actually better than that. Anyhow, let's see what Baldie Marc Forster and Paul Haggis cook up.

Lol you can call me kiddo whenever you want and thanks you. I know u like my input




I don't want a melodramatic line and I agree the ending for the dark knight was ok not great but ok.


as for Bond

Solid u have a point but the dialogue could easily be


"we can expect you back" M

"No" Bond

"But" M

"I never left I am now i see how things work in the system and I can't live knowing full well i can't trust anyone" Bond



see I never left is still in there but bond is quiting. All we know is the subject matter for Bond and M we have no idea if bond quits or doesn't.


I do say I want bond to look angry and us to get a sense (wehter he quit or doesn't) that bond will be back and Quantum had better run.


Yes the revenge story can get "tiresome" but if u look at the large scheme of things there were plenty of Bond do this mission bond does it role credits I don't mind a rogue bond in bond 23 and having events causing him to be 007

If solely so i can hear M say "in this business there is much risk" a fleming line that deserveas to be on the big screen period.



I just feel an emotional bond or rogue bond in bond 23 is fine.


HOWEVER

if bond stays well i know Bond looks cold and angry walking away from M (one needs only to look at the B role yes that shot of bond walking away that's the last shot of the film period exciting ain't it) but i want to be excited thinking "man Quantum is gonna get it in bond 23" or "wow bond looks angry bond 23 is gonna rock"


for the "we want the bond does mission and that's it" crowd sure i want that back but either Bond 24 or Bond 25


But that is me. I do hope Kristian we can both enjoy the film the end and say "man i can't wait for bond 23 i think it should be title _______ because __________________________"

[SolidWaffle]

as for Bond

Solid u have a point but the dialogue could easily be


"we can expect you back" M

"No" Bond

"But" M

"I never left I am now i see how things work in the system and I can't live knowing full well i can't trust anyone" Bond



see I never left is still in there but bond is quiting. All we know is the subject matter for Bond and M we have no idea if bond quits or doesn't.


I do say I want bond to look angry and us to get a sense (wehter he quit or doesn't) that bond will be back and Quantum had better run.


Yes the revenge story can get "tiresome" but if u look at the large scheme of things there were plenty of Bond do this mission bond does it role credits I don't mind a rogue bond in bond 23 and having events causing him to be 007

If solely so i can hear M say "in this business there is much risk" a fleming line that deserveas to be on the big screen period.



I just feel an emotional bond or rogue bond in bond 23 is fine.


HOWEVER

if bond stays well i know Bond looks cold and angry walking away from M (one needs only to look at the B role yes that shot of bond walking away that's the last shot of the film period exciting ain't it) but i want to be excited thinking "man Quantum is gonna get it in bond 23" or "wow bond looks angry bond 23 is gonna rock"


for the "we want the bond does mission and that's it" crowd sure i want that back but either Bond 24 or Bond 25


But that is me. I do hope Kristian we can both enjoy the film the end and say "man i can't wait for bond 23 i think it should be title _______ because __________________________"

That's a valid point, but as an above poster said (I'm lazy) then the Bond 23 writers will have a lot of cleanup to do. I dunno, "I never left" seems more of a reassurance, a clever way of saying yes. A resignation is possible, but I think my way of seeing it is a bit more realistic usage of the line. I've read from sources (on the CBn page i think) that this is a two-flim arc, the Quantum story. Hopefully, that means this one will wrap the line up nicely.

Edited by SolidWaffle, 13 October 2008 - 02:47 AM.

[Quantumofsolace007]

perhaps but they could be saying "2 film story arc" to throw us off the tracks.


Sure Vesper probably won't be metioned past this point. But Quantum will be back (I hope sorry introducing an orgnization and craming them into what 1 or 2 films that's a wee bit brosnanish by all means don't get dependent on them but don't throw them out either.)



I've said this before based on what we may know (greene surviving etc) Bond 23 will certantiyl be it's own film but Quantum will be back and it will be a sort of an "indirect sequel"Again I hope we know bond does in deed desert Greene in the middle of the dessert but does Greene survive ?



another though or musing

What if Greene does indeed die but it happens like this


Greene is alon in the dessert a helicopter comes down

Greene "it took you long enough"

an unseen man shoots green

helicopter leaves

and that is it.


we are left with not knowing whoo killed Greene or why.

Edited by Quantumofsolace007, 13 October 2008 - 03:00 AM.

[Kristian]

perhaps but they could be saying "2 film story arc" to throw us off the tracks.


Sure Vesper probably won't be metioned past this point. But Quantum will be back (I hope sorry introducing an orgnization and craming them into what 1 or 2 films that's a wee bit brosnanish by all means don't get dependent on them but don't throw them out either.)



I've said this before based on what we may know (greene surviving etc) Bond 23 will certantiyl be it's own film but Quantum will be back and it will be a sort of an "indirect sequel"Again I hope we know bond does in deed desert Greene in the middle of the dessert but does Greene survive ?



another though or musing

What if Greene does indeed die but it happens like this


Greene is alon in the dessert a helicopter comes down

Greene "it took you long enough"

an unseen man shoots green

helicopter leaves

and that is it.


we are left with not knowing whoo killed Greene or why.

Hmmmm. I actually think that Greene being rescued might be interesting. But my problem with that is that it would extend carry over the VSP (Vesper Soap Opera). I realize they probably want Quantum to be another SPECTRE, but don't think I necessarily want Greene back.

I have to wonder if EON is somehow nervous about a standalone/non-revenge Bond film. They really shouldn't be. As long as they try to steer away from DAD and MOONRAKER territory, they should be fine. Also, let's have some Bond girl names that are unique but not smutty. Paris, Melina, Camille, Kara, Lupe, all good names without being laughable and distracting. At least in TWINE, they had the realism to acknowledge that Christmas gets dogged a lot for her name (Thanks Daddy and Mommy Jones...).

[Quantumofsolace007]

perhaps but they could be saying "2 film story arc" to throw us off the tracks.


Sure Vesper probably won't be metioned past this point. But Quantum will be back (I hope sorry introducing an orgnization and craming them into what 1 or 2 films that's a wee bit brosnanish by all means don't get dependent on them but don't throw them out either.)



I've said this before based on what we may know (greene surviving etc) Bond 23 will certantiyl be it's own film but Quantum will be back and it will be a sort of an "indirect sequel"Again I hope we know bond does in deed desert Greene in the middle of the dessert but does Greene survive ?



another though or musing

What if Greene does indeed die but it happens like this


Greene is alon in the dessert a helicopter comes down

Greene "it took you long enough"

an unseen man shoots green

helicopter leaves

and that is it.


we are left with not knowing whoo killed Greene or why.

Hmmmm. I actually think that Greene being rescued might be interesting. But my problem with that is that it would extend carry over the VSP (Vesper Soap Opera). I realize they probably want Quantum to be another SPECTRE, but don't think I necessarily want Greene back.

I have to wonder if EON is somehow nervous about a standalone/non-revenge Bond film. They really shouldn't be. As long as they try to steer away from DAD and MOONRAKER territory, they should be fine. Also, let's have some Bond girl names that are unique but not smutty. Paris, Melina, Camille, Kara, Lupe, all good names without being laughable and distracting. At least in TWINE, they had the realism to acknowledge that Christmas gets dogged a lot for her name (Thanks Daddy and Mommy Jones...).

I don't mind standa alone bond films but i'd prefer quantum to be back in the next one then have Bond 24 be stand alone (hopefully against the Spang brothers) with quantum possibly returning for bond 25.


I feel Janus could of easily been a multi film orgnization and possibly would of strengthend the brosnan films


I don't feel Craig's tenure needs strengthening but i don't weant Quantum to be Crammed into a film wiht me thinking but u could of done so many things with quantum.


However i agree one film moping over vesper should be enough.

[Royal Dalton]

The soundtrack listing of "I Never Left" kinda says something along the lines of this to me:

This is an outline, not the actual lines.
M: So can I expect you back?
Bond: I never left.
Bond walks away into the cold Moscovian night. I don't even know if that's a word.

Saying "I never left", which presumably is a line, comes pretty close to completely debunking a resignation.

Unless he adds: "Until now."

Your theory does sound more than possible, though. And he could still say that line as a put down to M before walking off.

[Quantumofsolace007]

The soundtrack listing of "I Never Left" kinda says something along the lines of this to me:

This is an outline, not the actual lines.
M: So can I expect you back?
Bond: I never left.
Bond walks away into the cold Moscovian night. I don't even know if that's a word.

Saying "I never left", which presumably is a line, comes pretty close to completely debunking a resignation.

Unless he adds: "Until now."

Your theory does sound more than possible, though. And he could still say that line as a put down to M before walking off.

We'll know in a few weeks

[Mr. Blofeld]

Why not:

M: "What? You're leaving again?"
BOND: "I never left."

Works just as well, don't you think?

[ForMathis]

I'm going to be kind of upset if the movie ends the way yolt says. Having Camille die is incredibly stupid. And I absolutely hate the idea of Bond resigning again.

I liked a lot of his review, just detested the ending, and sadly everything seems to be indicating to me that the review was real.

I mean yotl knew things before anyone else did (no bond, James bond line, Greene gets left is dessert, Mathis dies)

[Quantumofsolace007]

well sorry mathis Hopefully bond 23 will have an ending you enjoy assuming this is right.


However bond might not quit again all we know for sure is the last song is "i never left"

[Vauxhall]

According to P-D, Elvis features in the final fight scene with Bond and Greene, once again throwing doubt on this interpretation.

[Invincible1958]

According to P-D, Elvis features in the final fight scene with Bond and Greene, once again throwing doubt on this interpretation.

In the new footage that was shown on swedish tv it looks like Elvis is dying in the fire at the showdown.

[Quantumofsolace007]

interesting.

[Royal Dalton]

Yeah, it looks like he gets killed by an exploding gas cylinder.

[ForMathis]

Yeah, it looks like he gets killed by an exploding gas cylinder.

Yes! lets hope that means the review was fake, or maybe it just means that someone dies in the plane scene and yolt wasn't sure who Elvis was... or something. If his review was fake I'd like to know how he knew so much.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Yeah, it looks like he gets killed by an exploding gas cylinder.

Yes! lets hope that means the review was fake, or maybe it just means that someone dies in the plane scene and yolt wasn't sure who Elvis was... or something. If his review was fake I'd like to know how he knew so much.

would u prefer bond to stay on board but say he is after quantum?


I just don't understand why bond quiting is so negative. I mean hell the CIA is in bed with quantum and mpossibly MI6 would u want to stick around I know I wouldn't. I'd figure I'd be safer cleaning up outside mi6 then being apart of it

Edited by Quantumofsolace007, 15 October 2008 - 03:01 AM.

[Kristian]

I'm going to be kind of upset if the movie ends the way yolt says. Having Camille die is incredibly stupid. And I absolutely hate the idea of Bond resigning again.

I liked a lot of his review, just detested the ending, and sadly everything seems to be indicating to me that the review was real.

I mean yotl knew things before anyone else did (no bond, James bond line, Greene gets left is dessert, Mathis dies)

Or YOLT could be a supremely calculating Machiavellian manipulator and deliberately mixed fact and fiction. He's probably watching us scramble like rats and enjoying himself...

Bastard...

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

I'm going to be kind of upset if the movie ends the way yolt says. Having Camille die is incredibly stupid. And I absolutely hate the idea of Bond resigning again.

I liked a lot of his review, just detested the ending, and sadly everything seems to be indicating to me that the review was real.

I mean yotl knew things before anyone else did (no bond, James bond line, Greene gets left is dessert, Mathis dies)

I knew about Greene and Mathis before this IMDB "review".

http://debrief.comma...p...st&p=907851

Maybe he read that? lol

And where exactly did he say the was no Bond, James Bond exactly? I don't remember that bit in any of his "review" bits I read. I was the first who brought the whole problem with Elvis's plane crash demise to Harms and others so if anything I should be the one staking my reputation that this review is utter BS.

Even in the first post with review itself things don't make sense. At one point he says that the press that Greene is the villain is off and Medrano is the main villain for most of the picture with Greene becoming the villain only at the end. We know this doesn't make sense since it's pretty clear that Greene is Bond's main target for the main part of the film after Haiti. He contradicts himself in the first post he says Camille want's to kill Greene then later, maybe he read or found out and says in another post that Medrano is the target. I could go on and on. I don't know to me it's very obvious that this review is bogus. it just doesn't jive with me, never has and now many others feel the same way.

[ForMathis]

I'm going to be kind of upset if the movie ends the way yolt says. Having Camille die is incredibly stupid. And I absolutely hate the idea of Bond resigning again.

I liked a lot of his review, just detested the ending, and sadly everything seems to be indicating to me that the review was real.

I mean yotl knew things before anyone else did (no bond, James bond line, Greene gets left is dessert, Mathis dies)

I knew about Greene and Mathis before this IMDB "review".

http://debrief.comma...p...st&p=907851

Maybe he read that? lol

And where exactly did he say the was no Bond, James Bond exactly? I don't remember that bit in any of his "review" bits I read. I was the first who brought the whole problem with Elvis's plane crash demise to Harms and others so if anything I should be the one staking my reputation that this review is utter BS.

Even in the first post with review itself things don't make sense. At one point he says that the press that Greene is the villain is off and Medrano is the main villain for most of the picture with Greene becoming the villain only at the end. We know this doesn't make sense since it's pretty clear that Greene is Bond's main target for the main part of the film after Haiti. He contradicts himself in the first post he says Camille want's to kill Greene then later, maybe he read or found out and says in another post that Medrano is the target. I could go on and on. I don't know to me it's very obvious that this review is bogus. it just doesn't jive with me, never has and now many others feel the same way.

He was the first to say that the "Bond, James Bond" and "shaken not stirred" lines were not in the film. It's in his first post:

Vesry good film, maybe not as good a 'Bond film' as CR, it has less of the tradtional gimmicks as the last movie did, there's no reference to 'shakern not stirred' not does Bond say 'that' line

One thing that sticks out to me as being not true though, is this:

How does Fields die and how does Bond find her?

Bond leaves her after Mathis dies and him and Camille go to the desert. She is at the hotel when some heavies break in. She's naked and in bed and goes to open the door covered only in her bed sheet. ike in LTK it is suggested she may be raped, but when Bond retusn with Camille, M is at the hotel and we see that Fields was drowned in oil then burnt. Her actual body is only glanced at, and imo hardly looks burnt....but if M said it, it must be true, or Sony wanted a PG-13.

It strikes me as strange for multiple reasons 1) Was the oil thing known before yolt's review? 2) Why would M say she is burnt when clearly based on photographs we've seen she wasn't? and 3) Why is M at the hotel?

[Agent Spriggan Ominae]

I'm going to be kind of upset if the movie ends the way yolt says. Having Camille die is incredibly stupid. And I absolutely hate the idea of Bond resigning again.

I liked a lot of his review, just detested the ending, and sadly everything seems to be indicating to me that the review was real.

I mean yotl knew things before anyone else did (no bond, James bond line, Greene gets left is dessert, Mathis dies)

I knew about Greene and Mathis before this IMDB "review".

http://debrief.comma...p...st&p=907851

Maybe he read that? lol

And where exactly did he say the was no Bond, James Bond exactly? I don't remember that bit in any of his "review" bits I read. I was the first who brought the whole problem with Elvis's plane crash demise to Harms and others so if anything I should be the one staking my reputation that this review is utter BS.

Even in the first post with review itself things don't make sense. At one point he says that the press that Greene is the villain is off and Medrano is the main villain for most of the picture with Greene becoming the villain only at the end. We know this doesn't make sense since it's pretty clear that Greene is Bond's main target for the main part of the film after Haiti. He contradicts himself in the first post he says Camille want's to kill Greene then later, maybe he read or found out and says in another post that Medrano is the target. I could go on and on. I don't know to me it's very obvious that this review is bogus. it just doesn't jive with me, never has and now many others feel the same way.

He was the first to say that the "Bond, James Bond" and "shaken not stirred" lines were not in the film. It's in his first post:

Vesry good film, maybe not as good a 'Bond film' as CR, it has less of the tradtional gimmicks as the last movie did, there's no reference to 'shakern not stirred' not does Bond say 'that' line

One thing that sticks out to me as being not true though, is this:

How does Fields die and how does Bond find her?

Bond leaves her after Mathis dies and him and Camille go to the desert. She is at the hotel when some heavies break in. She's naked and in bed and goes to open the door covered only in her bed sheet. ike in LTK it is suggested she may be raped, but when Bond retusn with Camille, M is at the hotel and we see that Fields was drowned in oil then burnt. Her actual body is only glanced at, and imo hardly looks burnt....but if M said it, it must be true, or Sony wanted a PG-13.

It strikes me as strange for multiple reasons 1) Was the oil thing known before yolt's review? 2) Why would M say she is burnt when clearly based on photographs we've seen she wasn't? and 3) Why is M at the hotel?

1) Yes. That had been known for a while that Fields would meet her end in a scene where she would be covered in oil. 2) This where things got kinda confusing. There was a report, I believe a post from Jim in one of the older threads on Fields here infact

http://debrief.comma...p...st&p=870893

3) They were expecting Fields to put Bond on a plane home instead she turns up dead. I'd say M would want to have a word with Bond. That more speculation though. Can't say for sure.