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[BoogieBond]

Wow thanks. No sign of Camille getting her revenge

Well, Camille doesn't want her revenge on Greene. She wants it on Medrano, and that's who she goes after (and fights with) in the finale.

Thanks. I get confused It makes sense that she is using Greene to get to Medrano, hence his comments in the trailer to Bond at the party. But after killing Medrano, I would have thought she would go up the ladder. Greene is doing a deal with Medrano(Valuable resource/Rainforest for further influence in the Government), I always assumed she wanted to kill Greene also to Complete her revenge of her family(Maybe her family were in the way of the deal, so in this case, she would want to kill them both). But her gaining revenge on Medrano and getting injured, then Bond leaving Greene in the desert, and Bond and Camille saying goodbye at the end with the "Your prison is in there" line makes more sense(from what we've seen in the trailer).

Also he said he saw a 2 hour version of the film that he was told was gonna be trimmed down. Dunno if they tested certain scenes to see how the audience reacted ?

Edited by BoogieBond, 02 October 2008 - 02:39 PM.

[Harmsway]

I also believe there was another article a couple months ago quoting Forster saying that the last scene was originally shot in the snow, but Forster changed the ending to the desert.

Well, he never said anything about it being shot - he was talking about the writing process, and how Haggis scripted the grand action finale in snow, and Forster wanted it in desert because of how the desert exemplified where Bond was at emotionally.

All of that has nothing to do with the end coda in Moscow.

[Loomis]

What's the verdict then, fellas? Is this review on the square or isn't it?

[MattofSteel]

I also believe there was another article a couple months ago quoting Forster saying that the last scene was originally shot in the snow, but Forster changed the ending to the desert.

Well, he never said anything about it being shot - he was talking about the writing process, and how Haggis scripted the grand action finale in snow, and Forster wanted it in desert because of how the desert exemplified where Bond was at emotionally.

All of that has nothing to do with the end coda in Moscow.

I don't recall reading anything about the grand action finale in the snow. Have a link?

[Harmsway]

What's the verdict then, fellas? Is this review on the square or isn't it?

You won't get any consensus. My verdict: bogus. Well-informed from different sources, but bogus. And I'll stand by that until more information rolls in.

[Mr. Blofeld]

What's the verdict then, fellas? Is this review on the square or isn't it?

You won't get any consensus. My verdict: bogus. Well-informed from different sources, but bogus. And I'll stand by that until more information rolls in.

And if you're wrong...?

[Harmsway]

What's the verdict then, fellas? Is this review on the square or isn't it?

You won't get any consensus. My verdict: bogus. Well-informed from different sources, but bogus. And I'll stand by that until more information rolls in.

And if you're wrong...?

Then I'm wrong and that's that. Hardly a great sin. But as the information currently stands, it appears that this review is nothing more than a somewhat convincing fake, well-informed by spoilers and reports, but make some rather substanial errors in other sections.

[Loomis]

What's the verdict then, fellas? Is this review on the square or isn't it?

You won't get any consensus. My verdict: bogus. Well-informed from different sources, but bogus. And I'll stand by that until more information rolls in.

Fair enough.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Is there at the very least a cosensus on the end does Bond Quit at the end of Quantum of solace?

[Elvenstar]

I have slightly more hope that it's true after reading this in Cineplex article

A few weeks after filming wraps, Marc Forster screens a rough assemblage of various scenes at a nondescript Soho screening room one rainy evening. I had to sign a confidentiality agreement not to reveal any spoilers, but can say that Quantum of Solace invokes a glorious retro Bond style as the film traverses exotic locales, including Panama, Peru, Chile, Italy, Austria and, of course, MI6 home base in London. The action is intense, and the drama textured and nuanced. And there are a couple of winks to past Bond hallmarks sure to thrill the real fans. “I’m really glad I did the movie I wanted to do,” says Forster once the lights have come up. “So if it fails, it’s my responsibility".

So this screening happened for real I suppose.

Edited by Elvenstar, 02 October 2008 - 07:16 AM.

[Captain Tightpants]

I have slightly more hope that it's true after reading this in Cineplex article

A few weeks after filming wraps, Marc Forster screens a rough assemblage of various scenes at a nondescript Soho screening room one rainy evening. I had to sign a confidentiality agreement not to reveal any spoilers, but can say that Quantum of Solace invokes a glorious retro Bond style as the film traverses exotic locales, including Panama, Peru, Chile, Italy, Austria and, of course, MI6 home base in London. The action is intense, and the drama textured and nuanced. And there are a couple of winks to past Bond hallmarks sure to thrill the real fans. “I’m really glad I did the movie I wanted to do,” says Forster once the lights have come up. “So if it fails, it’s my responsibility".

So this screening happened for real I suppose.

Yeah, but this was an actual review, not someone on IMdB wanting their fifteen seconds of fame, or The Sun making crap up so they can say they were the first.

[Quantumofsolace007]

hmmmm


the imdb guy could be legit................... maybe


possibly


Less than a month till we know for sure.

[QuantumM66]

At least the IMDb guy is right about one thing...

In the official press Production Notes of QOS
it IS revealed (spoiled) that 007 does indeed
leave Greene in the desert at the end.

Obviously, the notes don't reveal if Greene will
be rescued from there.

Personally, I doubt he will. I mean, is Greene
charismatic enough a villain that we want to see
him in two or more movies?

Really. I beg to differ. No doubt whatsoever that
the diminutive French guy is a great actor and
director, but that still doesn't make him
friggin' Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

What an irony, isn't it, that the villain who aspires
to control water is dumped by Bond to the desert?

I'd love to see, however, an ambiguous ending in the
vein of OHMSS, for sure. The jury's out.

Not much time left now, thank God!

Edited by QuantumM66, 02 October 2008 - 05:16 PM.

[ForMathis]

I am to understand that this review was written before the release of the first trailer?

Spoiler

It opens with a traditional Gun-barrel sequence with Craig in full tux.

Then it cuts to Bond dragging a screaming White and throwing him into his trunk.

This leads to a car chase, think Bourne but on a much grander scale, a more fuelled more aggressive, more lavish Bourne car chase.

After the car chase there is the credit sequence “Another Way to Die”, it sees the return of the dancing girls that were absent from the CR opening titles.

After the titles is the interrogation sequence. M is trying to get answers, but White keeps taunting Bond about Vesper. How she begged them not to kill Bond, he's laughing in his face. This just makes Bond angry, even M senses it. She empties out the room; to give Bond a minute 'alone' with White, as soon as the MI6 team leave the room Bond smacks him clean in the face, very brutal!

The next action is the short Sienna chase through sewers and rooftops which only lasts a couple of minutes. This is followed by the boat chase. This is great as Slate is there to kill Camille. After Bond kills Slate, Camille thinks Bond is Slate, despite the fact he saves her life on the boat, she try’s to kill him!

Mathis is in the film a lot more then in CR. On a plane trip to Bolivia where Mathis orders the famous Vesper martini, Bond gets angry only for Mathis to explain that Bond is upset as he is missing the Quantum of Solace from Vesper. Bond thinks it's all a bit of silliness.

Bond is pulled over by the police. He is told to get out of the car. It soon becomes clear these police men work for Quantum, and Mathis is shot. After Mathis dies and Bond kills the guys who did it, he's actually *beep* pissed and very upset, he wants to look after Mathis as the pair had bonded by this point, but Camille just wants to go to the desert and tail Greene, telling Bond to 'leave the body'. It is at this point that Bond realized that the “Quantum of Solace” story from earlier a clue as to the organization, which is named QUANTUM.

This is when Bond and Camille take on Quantum. They go AWOL and Mi6 are desperate to pick up Bond because M thinks will kill anyone to get revenge for Vesper instead of arresting them so they can find the head of Quantum.

Felix and Bond meet up at a bar when he tells Bond about Medrano and is involvement with Greene, and how he is being given a safe passage by the CIA to Austria after Camille made an attack on his life.

Medrano is the big baddie who Camille wants revenge from. With Felix's info they go to Austria where they find out that White and Greene are in cahoots. Greene and Medrano are pulling together a deal.

For Bond, Greene is the villain, and Camille, Medrano is the villain. Elvis is just Greene's lackey. They are related and the 2 have a lot of face touching and hugs. A little like Dario and Sanchez, only this time it's kind of perverted and creepy.

Bond steals a rather baggy tux off a costume rail and knocks out a Quantum bodyguard at the front door. He steals his ear piece, then looks at his body and sees his tux will likely fit better. It does.

Bond overhears the members talking Haines has built something White and Greene want to buy and over the ear-pieces they are trying to make the sale. Bond gives away his position and a chase comes after. Bond ends up on the roof with one of White's bodyguards, Bond and he scramble for the gun and at the end Bond wins, and the guy falls off....end. Bond blends in with the crowd, and the next scene is Bond going to MI6 HQ and asking permission to go after Greene.

Then the plane fight, which is too amazing for words, you feel like your there, the camera moves around in clean 360 swifts and really carries the momentum along. Elvis dies in a plane crash.

So he was the first to even suggest most of these things (no stirred/shaken line, return of classic gun-barrel, Greene being left to die is dessert, no Bond, James Bond line, Mathis dieing...)

If so than there is no doubt that he did in fact see a screening of QoS and this is a real review.

-

Hopefully that doesn't mean that the Sun review is real also. I don't like the fact that they compared it to Rambo.

[DamnCoffee]

Yet more evidence that this is Legit....

yolt mentioned a scene at the Opera where Bond is fighting on the roof with a guard, Bond throws the guard off the roof and onto a car, where another henchman gets out and shoots the guard.

Now... on Page 323 of the latest issue of GQ, there is an interview with a stuntman (Derek Lea) who worked on Quantum.

He says.... "In Quantum of Solace I get thrown off a roof by Daniel Craig, I fall 40 feet and land on the bad guy's car, only for his henchman to shoot me"

[Quantumofsolace007]

so with ending somewhat confirmed Bond leaving at the end I wonder if this impact what people feel is a suitable fleming title for Bond 23.

[DamnCoffee]

I really do think that 'The Hildebrand Rarity' would be the safest way to go. I dunno, but for some reason this sounds like a great follow up from 'Quantum of Solace'.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Yet more evidence that this is Legit....

yolt mentioned a scene at the Opera where Bond is fighting on the roof with a guard, Bond throws the guard off the roof and onto a car, where another henchman gets out and shoots the guard.

Now... on Page 323 of the latest issue of GQ, there is an interview with a stuntman (Derek Lea) who worked on Quantum.

He says.... "In Quantum of Solace I get thrown off a roof by Daniel Craig, I fall 40 feet and land on the bad guy's car, only for his henchman to shoot me"

Ye gads...

[Quantumofsolace007]

I really do think that 'The Hildebrand Rarity' would be the safest way to go. I dunno, but for some reason this sounds like a great follow up from 'Quantum of Solace'.

I'd love it honestly. The Hildebrand Rarity is my current Favourite unused fleming title (before that it was Quantum of Solace)


I'd love it. But that is just me.

[ForMathis]

My only concern is that yolt said it was perfectly paced at around 2hrs. He even went as far to say that it was one of the best Bond movies of them all along with CR, and FYEO (my personal favorite)

Since the official running time has been reported to be 106 minutes.. they have presumably cut anywhere from 10-15 minutes from the version that yolt saw/reviewed.

Hopefully this hasn't damaged the film...

Edited by ForMathis, 02 October 2008 - 08:52 PM.

[Harmsway]

So he was the first to even suggest most of these things (no stirred/shaken line, return of classic gun-barrel, Greene being left to die is dessert, no Bond, James Bond line, Mathis dieing...)

Well, actually the gunbarrel's return was suggested before the IMDB review, as was Greene being left in the desert, and Mathis' death. So yeah.

The big things that stand in the way of the review are this:

1. YOLT got Elvis' death wrong.

2. From all appearances, Camille does not bite the dust in QUANTUM OF SOLACE.

[Quantumofsolace007]

So he was the first to even suggest most of these things (no stirred/shaken line, return of classic gun-barrel, Greene being left to die is dessert, no Bond, James Bond line, Mathis dieing...)

Well, actually the gunbarrel's return was suggested before the IMDB review, as was Greene being left in the desert, and Mathis' death. So yeah.

The big things that stand in the way of the review are this:

1. YOLT got Elvis' death wrong.

2. From all appearances, Camille does not bite the dust in QUANTUM OF SOLACE.

but he got the "no bond james bond" right


Does bond quit the service at the end harmsway any idea?

[Elvenstar]

it was one of the best Bond movies of them all along with CR, and FYEO (my personal favorite)

I happened to watch FYEO yesterday for the first time. And one thing struck me as similar to Qos (along with main Bong girl wanting revenge on the killers of her family and another rather young Bond girl). A moment when the girl drove this tiny yellow car and Bond reluctantly joins her in it reminded me of a shot of Bond and Camille in Ford Ka "Get in" "Alright".

Edited by Elvenstar, 03 October 2008 - 08:15 AM.

[Quantumofsolace007]

I think this is true?

Maybe?

[timmyv123]

That is extremely detailed not to be true however I don't deem it to be 100% accurate, I believe bits here and there may be true but the ending especially doesn't make sense to me? Bond leaving the service? Ohmss, licence to kill? Been there, done that, A bad guy surviving? Apart from you only live twice I don't recall the main villain ever surviving! except maybe jaws in tswlm but he was a henchman

[Royal Dalton]

The big things that stand in the way of the review are this:

1. YOLT got Elvis' death wrong.

2. From all appearances, Camille does not bite the dust in QUANTUM OF SOLACE.

We don't know for certain if either of those are actually wrong yet, though, do we?

[Mr. Blofeld]

The big things that stand in the way of the review are this:

1. YOLT got Elvis' death wrong.

2. From all appearances, Camille does not bite the dust in QUANTUM OF SOLACE.

We don't know for certain if either of those are actually wrong yet, though, do we?

Exactly; we have all the time in the world to figure out that...

[Harmsway]

The big things that stand in the way of the review are this:

1. YOLT got Elvis' death wrong.

2. From all appearances, Camille does not bite the dust in QUANTUM OF SOLACE.

We don't know for certain if either of those are actually wrong yet, though, do we?

We know that #1 is wrong pretty much for certain. Elvis is clearly visible in footage during the climax in the eco-hotel (complete with neck brace), which means he is alive after the plane incident.

#2, we don't know for sure, but hence "from all appearances." And there's some pretty good evidence, so YOLT has some serious 'splainin to do. The biggest thing to explain away is the train yard bit.

[Vauxhall]

That is extremely detailed not to be true however I don't deem it to be 100% accurate, I believe bits here and there may be true but the ending especially doesn't make sense to me? Bond leaving the service? Ohmss, licence to kill? Been there, done that,

Ah yes, but due to the reboot aspect, those incidents don't exist in this Bond's universe. Plus, Bond leaving the service has arguably never been done well.

A bad guy surviving? Apart from you only live twice I don't recall the main villain ever surviving! except maybe jaws in tswlm but he was a henchman

Exactly the reason I like the idea of the main villain surviving. It shakes up the formula. CASINO ROYALE had the main Bond girl dying!

[Royal Dalton]

We know that #1 is wrong pretty much for certain. Elvis is clearly visible in footage during the climax in the eco-hotel (complete with neck brace), which means he is alive after the plane incident.

Yes, but it's possible he could die in a plane crash while trying to escape during the finale.