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[RevolveR]

I have been the eternal optimist on here during just about every QOS-related debate that I've involved myself in.

That being said, I couldn't help but feel a little let down by this news. I thought the artists would be more exciting and I thought the title would be either the same as the film or way better than "Another Way to Die."

But the song could end up being stellar so that is the first and last time I will complain about it. The rest of you should follow suit.

[dee-bee-five]

I was actually going to ask if you are in the industry (Zorin is and I work for Granada Television in the UK)?

Like you, I work in TV .

[The Dove]

Exactly, lets just wait until we get to hear the song and then we can either bitch and moan if it sucks, or shower it with praise if it turns out to be a great Bond theme. I too, remain optimistic and am very interested in the combo of White & Keys.

[baerrtt]

IMO it is easy to mock the whinging of a fandom who believe they know what's better for the franchise than the production team. Opinions are fine, gloomy predictions from people who have no actual creative/business experience just looks silly.

As does slavishly accepting every decision Eon makes without criticism (those who do, by the way, not you specifically). And it would be quite wrong to assume that everyone who posts on here has no creative experience in the industry, believe me.

You are both agreeing with each other, my friends. I think...

Possibly. But we are having re-run of the debate following the teaser trailer on this thread. I expressed the opinion that it was good, but not earth-shattering and was accused of being negative. But, the truth is, I did find the teaser a little underwhelming, just as I find the news about the title song disappointing. If others are cock-a-hoop about it, fine. But why aren't others allowed to express what they feel on here anymore? Is it because, as I suspect, because there's a tiny bit of unspoken nervousness amongst fans that QoS might possibly not quite live up to the absurdly high expectations we're all placing on it and so anyone who doesn't go into paroxysms of ecstacy must be dumped on from a great height lest the conspiracy of silence about said nervousness is laid bare?

I think the defensiveness comes from the fact that in 2005-6 a bunch of fans nearly made all of fandom look moronic by expressing their opinion that Daniel Craig wouldn't be a good James Bond(and probably not being in love with the idea of the reboot) in creating an actual website damning him. An wave of negativity that carried on for months and months (even after the actual teaser trailer for CR was shown) until the actual film, a huge critical and commercial success, was unveiled. And alot of those people have been eating crow since.

CR is proof when fans judge the decisions of filmmakers before they get a look of the actual thing. From the title to the teaser trailer to Kleinman not being rehired to this announcement I personally get (and I shouldn't do I know) a very familiar sense of deja vu about it all. People deciding the quality of the product before they see it.

[marktmurphy]

My point is that pairing up Alicia Keys with Jack White is the very definition of decision-by-committee by people who think they're being edgy.

Oh for heaven's sake- you may as say that they cynically made Casino Royale because they calculated that the best way to get a popular movie is to make an actually decent and dramatic one. The foul corporate swines: exploiting our love of good quality movies just to line their pockets!

Plus we don't know how this partnership was put together- was it the suits or the artists themselves? We know a load of these songs were submissions; perhaps this one too. I get the feeling that Keys is probably a bit of an industry in herself, but she'd already said that she'd like to work with White- perhaps he was planning a Bond song, heard this and asked her? Would that be cynical too?

[dee-bee-five]

IMO it is easy to mock the whinging of a fandom who believe they know what's better for the franchise than the production team. Opinions are fine, gloomy predictions from people who have no actual creative/business experience just looks silly.

As does slavishly accepting every decision Eon makes without criticism (those who do, by the way, not you specifically). And it would be quite wrong to assume that everyone who posts on here has no creative experience in the industry, believe me.

You are both agreeing with each other, my friends. I think...

Possibly. But we are having re-run of the debate following the teaser trailer on this thread. I expressed the opinion that it was good, but not earth-shattering and was accused of being negative. But, the truth is, I did find the teaser a little underwhelming, just as I find the news about the title song disappointing. If others are cock-a-hoop about it, fine. But why aren't others allowed to express what they feel on here anymore? Is it because, as I suspect, because there's a tiny bit of unspoken nervousness amongst fans that QoS might possibly not quite live up to the absurdly high expectations we're all placing on it and so anyone who doesn't go into paroxysms of ecstacy must be dumped on from a great height lest the conspiracy of silence about said nervousness is laid bare?

I think the defensiveness comes from the fact that in 2005-6 a bunch of fans nearly made all of fandom look moronic by expressing their opinion that Daniel Craig wouldn't be a good James Bond(and probably not being in love with the idea of the reboot) in creating an actual website damning him. An wave of negativity that carried on for months and months (even after the actual teaser trailer for CR was shown) until the actual film, a huge critical and commercial success, was unveiled. And alot of those people have been eating crow since.

CR is proof when fans judge the decisions of filmmakers before they get a look of the actual thing. From the title to the teaser trailer to Kleinman not being rehired to this announcement I personally get (and I shouldn't do I know) a very familiar sense of deja vu about it all. People deciding the quality of the product before they see it.

Yes, but that's human nature in the internet age, isn't it? And we're all guilty of it. I remain optimistic that all will be well with QoS. But I reserve the right to express reservations, if I have any, about it. That's fair, surely, provided it's honestly felt and not just being nagative for the sake of it.

[Binyamin]

People, do you realize that Alicia FREAKIN' KEYS and Jack White are doing the next title song?

We're talking about two GIANT names with true credibility, not some flavor of the month. They've both proven themselves. How many Grammys does Keys have, something like five hundred?

Seriously. This is FANTASTIC news -- after decades of mediocre actor choices and unheard of singers... Bond is first class again!

Edited by Binyamin, 01 August 2008 - 02:45 AM.

[marktmurphy]

Possibly. But we are having re-run of the debate following the teaser trailer on this thread. I expressed the opinion that it was good, but not earth-shattering and was accused of being negative. But, the truth is, I did find the teaser a little underwhelming, just as I find the news about the title song disappointing. If others are cock-a-hoop about it, fine. But why aren't others allowed to express what they feel on here anymore? Is it because, as I suspect, there's a tiny bit of unspoken nervousness amongst fans that QoS might possibly not quite live up to the absurdly high expectations we're all placing on it and so anyone who doesn't go into paroxysms of ecstacy about every scrap of news we get must be dumped on from a great height lest the conspiracy of silence about said nervousness is laid bare?

I said and felt the same thing about the trailer: I felt very uninspired by it, I don't remember being bashed for it.
Perhaps people don't like the way you express your thoughts. I notice in this post here you seem to be claiming that people don't know their own minds as well as you do; that sort of thing winds people up.

People, do you realize that Alicia KEYS and Jack White are doing the next title song?

We're talking about two GIANT names with true credibility, not some flavor of the month. They've both proven themselves. How many Grammys does Keys have, something like five hundred?

I dunno- I don't think of Keys as a credible act at all; she's just a popster to me. But White has more than enough for the both of them and rebalances it, so I come out very happy.

[ImTheMoneypenny]

The various articles written about the team up, on other web sites, are pretty thumbs up about it.

[Skudor]

People, do you realize that Alicia KEYS and Jack White are doing the next title song?

We're talking about two GIANT names with true credibility, not some flavor of the month. They've both proven themselves. How many Grammys does Keys have, something like five hundred?

Seriously. This is FANTASTIC news -- after decades of mediocre actor choices and unheard of singers... Bond is first class again!

I'll be the first one to take a dump on this song if it stinks - but for now I'm still very hopeful.

[Santa]

People, do you realize that Alicia KEYS and Jack White are doing the next title song?

We're talking about two GIANT names with true credibility, not some flavor of the month. They've both proven themselves. How many Grammys does Keys have, something like five hundred?

Seriously. This is FANTASTIC news -- after decades of mediocre actor choices and unheard of singers... Bond is first class again!

I'll be the first one to take a dump on this song if it stinks - but for now I'm still very hopeful.

No, you would piss over it, surely?

[zencat]

This is FANTASTIC news -- after decades of mediocre actor choices and unheard of singers...

Tina Turner, Sheyrl Crow, Madonna...unheard of? But I get your point.

[Skudor]

People, do you realize that Alicia KEYS and Jack White are doing the next title song?

We're talking about two GIANT names with true credibility, not some flavor of the month. They've both proven themselves. How many Grammys does Keys have, something like five hundred?

Seriously. This is FANTASTIC news -- after decades of mediocre actor choices and unheard of singers... Bond is first class again!

I'll be the first one to take a dump on this song if it stinks - but for now I'm still very hopeful.

No, you would piss over it, surely?

Now, now. Stop taking the piss.

[Red Barchetta]

Title: Nothing original there.

Keys & White: Yawn, does nothing for me.

It'll be a minor hit, nothing elaborate.

[Johnboy007]

I'm not a fan of Alicia Keys, and I would be happier if it was just Jack White. Still, they're incredibly popular and will probably put together a dynamite song.

The only part of this news that has me down is title. It doesn't get any more cliche than that. A pretty minor gripe in the end.

I have no idea how I missed this news. I was shocked to see this was online last night, and I just found it a few minutes ago.

[Jim]

Oh, another act of shabby and misguided betrayal of webforum usernames by those hopelessly unsuccessful billionaires.

Anonymous typing on some bit of the internet will always be right. That's the law, that is.

Grr! Why won't they listen? I can understand why they won't read - if I were them, I wouldn't read this place either - but they owe me they owe me they owe me and I HAVE MADE THEM THEY CANNOT BETRAY ME THEY WILL FEEL MY WRATH.

They're power crazed! (NB obviously this post is a joke, otherwise I would have written in the house style of "Their power crazed")

The song is about them! A man and a woman! What next - Mickey sings the male bit and Babs sings the feamle bit (or the other way arounD????!!!???!! ROTFLMAOAOAOAOAOAO)

It's easy to mock your fellow CBner's, Jim

Some days it is easier than others.

[delfloria]

Sorry if I missed this earlier, but is Arnold involved in this composition so that it ties into the rest of the score? Thanks.

[Ace Roberts]

Sorry if I missed this earlier, but is Arnold involved in this composition so that it ties into the rest of the score? Thanks.

I can only speculate - but my guess is Arnold was heavily involved in selecting the song (demo) submitted and did in fact participate during the actual recording itself. I think its a given forms of the theme will be highlighted throughout the full score.

[Vauxhall]

Sorry if I missed this earlier, but is Arnold involved in this composition so that it ties into the rest of the score? Thanks.

Not to our knowledge, sadly.

[Loomis]

I was actually going to ask if you are in the industry (Zorin is and I work for Granada Television in the UK)?

Like you, I work in TV .

I'm detecting a bit of "us and them" going on: those who work in The Industry™ (and thus presumably have the right to comment) versus the plebs who don't (who post from rooms covered with 007 posters and think they own the Bond franchise, natch).

[Royal Dalton]

Lots of people work in "The Industry". From highflying studio execs, to that woman who mops out the bogs. None of them have a more valid opinion than anyone else.

[JimmyBond]

Lots of people work in "The Industry". From highflying studio execs, to that woman who mops out the bogs. None of them have a more valid opinion than anyone else.

I work in "The Industry" too. It just so happens that the industry I work in is the grocery industry

As for this news, to be honest I'm not the least bit excited (though I'm happy as pie Arnold isnt involved, TWINE isnt exactly a stellar song, YKMN is great though, but that's because Cornell had a hand in it).

[Jet Set Willy]

IMO it is easy to mock the whinging of a fandom who believe they know what's better for the franchise than the production team. Opinions are fine, gloomy predictions from people who have no actual creative/business experience just looks silly.

As does slavishly accepting every decision Eon makes without criticism (those who do, by the way, not you specifically). And it would be quite wrong to assume that everyone who posts on here has no creative experience in the industry, believe me.

I don't believe everyone on here likes every decision EON makes or has made. It's just that there is a predictable note of misery to these opinions (not your's but some of it gets very annoying). Knowing that the production team weren't given free rein under MGM for example has made me temper my previous criticisms of the Brosnan era. People already deciding the quality of the song before they've heard it simply because they don't like the artist and passing that off as EON 'failing' them, I'm sorry smacks of arrogance.

I was actually going to ask if you are in the industry (Zorin is and I work for Granada Television in the UK)? Don't get me wrong not because your opinion caused me to come out of my cage (I have a week off can't you tell ) but some of the stuff written on here smacks of people damning the thing before it's made.

Glad to hear there are people on here in the same profession as me. I work in the industry too, and used to work up at Granada a few years ago. Now I'm based down south.

With regards voicing an opinion on this subject, I was merely pointing out the fact that the news didn't excite me at all (especially the title) but of course I will refrain from passing judgement until I hear the damn thing.

I don't think anyone here is seriously slagging off a song that hasn't been heard yet. They are mainly voicing their opinion on whether the new song collaboration/title/idea sounds good as an initial impression.

Or are only positive views allowed on this subject...?

Edited by Jet Set Willy, 30 July 2008 - 06:37 PM.

[sark]

My point is that pairing up Alicia Keys with Jack White is the very definition of decision-by-committee by people who think they're being edgy.

Oh for heaven's sake- you may as say that they cynically made Casino Royale because they calculated that the best way to get a popular movie is to make an actually decent and dramatic one. The foul corporate swines: exploiting our love of good quality movies just to line their pockets!

Plus we don't know how this partnership was put together- was it the suits or the artists themselves? We know a load of these songs were submissions; perhaps this one too. I get the feeling that Keys is probably a bit of an industry in herself, but she'd already said that she'd like to work with White- perhaps he was planning a Bond song, heard this and asked her? Would that be cynical too?

LMFAO!

Those bastards!

[00Twelve]

Does Eon have some sort of deal with Arnold that only allows him to write every other theme tune, or something?

My friend, you must be a mind reader.

Seriously, what is that? I can't fathom any credible reason as to why the producers would ever be apathetic toward the inclusion of the title tune in the score. The Bond theme's not the film's main theme-- That's what the title tune's for! The Bond theme is, well, Bond's theme, and it's not supposed to overshadow the score. I can only hope that either this Another Way to Die (The best non-Fleming "die" phrase yet, though the word's still gravely overused with respect to titles) will be included in the score, or the Bond theme at least will be nearly as sparsely used as in CR. Too much Bond theme can really drag a film down, IMO.

The pairing sounds original, and could be pretty good, though. I'll be anxious to hear this.

[Judo chop]

Does anybody else find themselves completely exhausted by the discussion that goes like this:

Member #1: It <whatever Bond news> is a terrible idea! It’s going to suck!
Member #2: You shouldn’t think that. You don’t know that.
Member #1: WTF! Are only positive opinions allowed here?!

I feel like the chain could so easily be broken by applying just a modicum of common-sense and/or self-control at any one of the three steps, yet so often…

Sigh.

[Safari Suit]

Well the amount of 3 is directly related to the prominence of 2...

Edited by Safari Suit, 30 July 2008 - 07:28 PM.

[Jim]

Does anybody else find themselves completely exhausted by the discussion that goes like this:

Member #1: It <whatever Bond news> is a terrible idea! It’s going to suck!
Member #2: You shouldn’t think that. You don’t know that.
Member #1: WTF! Are only positive opinions allowed here?!

I feel like the chain could so easily be broken by applying just a modicum of common-sense and/or self-control at any one of the three steps, yet so often…

Sigh.

Enough sighing. Only positive opinions are allowed here.

Hm. I see what you mean.

[Tarl_Cabot]

I think the duet could be interesting...I'll keep an open mind. It's at least something new for the series. But who the *&^% is Jack White?

[Gri007]

This is interesting. Do we know if Arnold is working on the song? I would have prefered if the song was actually titled 'Quantum Of Solace'. 'Another Way To Die' just sounds like a future title for a Bond film. But as people say it could be steller which I hope it will be. Especially if Arnold is coorperated into the song workings