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[rosaklebhead]

Yeah, can anyone on this thread who claims the talent choice is too "safe" explain exactly how that is so?

I mean, after listening to the Raconteurs Consolers of the Lonely LP, I kept thinking to myself, "man, wouldn't it be cool if Jack White did the next Bond song? Kind of an inspired choice but, nah, EON won't go for it -- it's NOT SAFE."

Lo and behold he's doing the new Bond song.

Alicia Keyes is easier to get a handle on because she's an r&b singer and has had her omnipresence on MTV, VH-1, the Grammy's, etcetera. As for White, again, check out a couple of tracks on Consolers of the Lonely (the lastest Raconteur album). I already suggested Whip and the Spur. Also check out You Don't Understand Me, even the Album's title song. Hell, just listen to the whole damn thing.

Honestly, one of the best rock songs in the past five or six years was The White Stripes' Black Math. Trust me on this, White is a VERY interesting choice.

[Simon]

Oh, another act of shabby and misguided betrayal of webforum usernames by those hopelessly unsuccessful billionaires.

Anonymous typing on some bit of the internet will always be right. That's the law, that is.

Grr! Why won't they listen? I can understand why they won't read - if I were them, I wouldn't read this place either - but they owe me they owe me they owe me and I HAVE MADE THEM THEY CANNOT BETRAY ME THEY WILL FEEL MY WRATH.

They're power crazed! (NB obviously this post is a joke, otherwise I would have written in the house style of "Their power crazed")

The song is about them! A man and a woman! What next - Mickey sings the male bit and Babs sings the feamle bit (or the other way arounD????!!!???!! ROTFLMAOAOAOAOAOAO)

I always look forwards to these rebuttals to the Words of Wisdom from username Bond456flyboy and the like.

There will be another trailer released shortly. Here's hoping you can get revved up for another such tirade.

[Harmsway]

Why is it uninspiring? I don't get it. Keys is unexciting, yeah, but White more than balances that out, surely?

Well, I suppose you're right.

Thing is, Jack White is better and more successful at writing songs than David Arnold.

True.

[Zorin Industries]

Why is it uninspiring? I don't get it. Keys is unexciting, yeah, but White more than balances that out, surely?

Well, I suppose you're right.

Thing is, Jack White is better and more successful at writing songs than David Arnold.

True.

Good points and a good perspective.

[Orion]

Upon hearing this news i quickly went and listened to a few songs from both Alicia Keys and Jack White, and, really, they couldn't be more differentm a duet is definitly going to be...interesting.

Edited by Orion, 30 July 2008 - 01:38 PM.

[Zorin Industries]

Oh, another act of shabby and misguided betrayal of webforum usernames by those hopelessly unsuccessful billionaires.

Anonymous typing on some bit of the internet will always be right. That's the law, that is.

Grr! Why won't they listen? I can understand why they won't read - if I were them, I wouldn't read this place either - but they owe me they owe me they owe me and I HAVE MADE THEM THEY CANNOT BETRAY ME THEY WILL FEEL MY WRATH.

They're power crazed! (NB obviously this post is a joke, otherwise I would have written in the house style of "Their power crazed")

The song is about them! A man and a woman! What next - Mickey sings the male bit and Babs sings the feamle bit (or the other way arounD????!!!???!! ROTFLMAOAOAOAOAOAO)

It's easy to mock your fellow CBner's, Jim, but you must admit that Eon could of chosen someone a bit more original than Alice Keys and David Arnold. Yawn.

Eon Productions DID choose someone a bit more original than Alicia Keys and David Arnold - his name is Jack White - who, right now, is one of the real music industries darlings and main exponents of decent work. I have non-Bond fan friends in the music industry and they are most surprised and pleasantly intrigued by White's involvement.

Once again, folk on these forums damn something before they've even thought it through or (better still) waited to see the song in its context : i.e. the main title sequence. There is no point damning the song until the titles roll. Hearing it before is no real barometer either as I had mixed reactions to YOU KNOW MY NAME until I saw it in the film which it suited most perfectly and astutely. Films are made in the real world, not from the laptop perspective of picky fans in their poster-covered bedrooms. There is always a context to creative decisions such as title song performers. And those decisions are based on a myriad of factors such as studio partnerships, contractual obligations, shared distributors, shared agents, shared interests, old allies and available recording facilities in the small window a song like this no doubt has.

As I have said for ages now...EON ARE NOT STUPID! THEY KNOW THEIR PRODUCT. This song has been penned by by Jack White. He has had involvement in cinema - including acting in good films (eg. COLD MOUNTAIN). This tune (which makes up only 2 and a half minutes of the film's running time) is Eon's final global calling card for a picture that doesn't have to "live up" to CASINO ROYALE (a benchmark set by the fans). It has to be a bloody good film full stop. This song will match that - despite the moaners who lament some very dead era of Bond film making that died in 1977.

[Mercator]

At least is not Duran Duran! Their song was so 1980's - we ken not have that again!

[Judo chop]

Excuse me, but where do I collect my prize for correctly calling that the next Bond theme would be a duet?

I’ve not read any of the miles of conversation preceding this page, so no doubt this is a repeat offender post, but my thought is “yay!”. First of all, Bond is still drawing the popular names. And that’s good.

But this is a very interesting combo, no? I think one of the two artists’ sounds is probably going to get lost in the mix, however. I don’t think there is a way to successfully create a Bond theme that incorporates both the White Stripes’ gloriously obnoxious garage rock with Keys’ bassy, jazzy timbre. One, if not both of them, is going to have to take a backseat. I’m not sure which I’d prefer, Keys’ singing over a Stripes jam, or White’s cackling over a Keys-style groove. Frankly, both possibilities have my interest piqued. Could be quite a ride.

[Loomis]

Oh, another act of shabby and misguided betrayal of webforum usernames by those hopelessly unsuccessful billionaires.

Anonymous typing on some bit of the internet will always be right. That's the law, that is.

Grr! Why won't they listen? I can understand why they won't read - if I were them, I wouldn't read this place either - but they owe me they owe me they owe me and I HAVE MADE THEM THEY CANNOT BETRAY ME THEY WILL FEEL MY WRATH.

They're power crazed! (NB obviously this post is a joke, otherwise I would have written in the house style of "Their power crazed")

The song is about them! A man and a woman! What next - Mickey sings the male bit and Babs sings the feamle bit (or the other way arounD????!!!???!! ROTFLMAOAOAOAOAOAO)

It's easy to mock your fellow CBner's, Jim, but you must admit that Eon could of chosen someone a bit more original than Alice Keys and David Arnold. Yawn.

Eon Productions DID choose someone a bit more original than Alicia Keys and David Arnold - his name is Jack White - who, right now, is one of the real music industries darlings and main exponents of decent work. I have non-Bond fan friends in the music industry and they are most surprised and pleasantly intrigued by White's involvement.

Once again, folk on these forums damn something before they've even thought it through or (better still) waited to see the song in its context : i.e. the main title sequence. There is no point damning the song until the titles roll. Hearing it before is no real barometer either as I had mixed reactions to YOU KNOW MY NAME until I saw it in the film which it suited most perfectly and astutely. Films are made in the real world, not from the laptop perspective of picky fans in their poster-covered bedrooms. There is always a context to creative decisions such as title song performers. And those decisions are based on a myriad of factors such as studio partnerships, contractual obligations, shared distributors, shared agents, shared interests, old allies and available recording facilities in the small window a song like this no doubt has.

As I have said for ages now...EON ARE NOT STUPID! THEY KNOW THEIR PRODUCT. This song has been penned by by Jack White. He has had involvement in cinema - including acting in good films (eg. COLD MOUNTAIN). This tune (which makes up only 2 and a half minutes of the film's running time) is Eon's final global calling card for a picture that doesn't have to "live up" to CASINO ROYALE (a benchmark set by the fans). It has to be a bloody good film full stop. This song will match that - despite the moaners who lament some very dead era of Bond film making that died in 1977.

I wasn't being serious with that post of mine.

[Santa]

At least is not Duran Duran! Their song was so 1980's

Funny that, given that it was made in the 80s, for an 80s film.

And ZI, speak for yourself. I don't have posters in my bedroom.

[baerrtt]

Oh, another act of shabby and misguided betrayal of webforum usernames by those hopelessly unsuccessful billionaires.

Anonymous typing on some bit of the internet will always be right. That's the law, that is.

Grr! Why won't they listen? I can understand why they won't read - if I were them, I wouldn't read this place either - but they owe me they owe me they owe me and I HAVE MADE THEM THEY CANNOT BETRAY ME THEY WILL FEEL MY WRATH.

They're power crazed! (NB obviously this post is a joke, otherwise I would have written in the house style of "Their power crazed")

The song is about them! A man and a woman! What next - Mickey sings the male bit and Babs sings the feamle bit (or the other way arounD????!!!???!! ROTFLMAOAOAOAOAOAO)

It's easy to mock your fellow CBner's, Jim, but you must admit that Eon could of chosen someone a bit more original than Alice Keys and David Arnold. Yawn.

Eon Productions DID choose someone a bit more original than Alicia Keys and David Arnold - his name is Jack White - who, right now, is one of the real music industries darlings and main exponents of decent work. I have non-Bond fan friends in the music industry and they are most surprised and pleasantly intrigued by White's involvement.

Once again, folk on these forums damn something before they've even thought it through or (better still) waited to see the song in its context : i.e. the main title sequence. There is no point damning the song until the titles roll. Hearing it before is no real barometer either as I had mixed reactions to YOU KNOW MY NAME until I saw it in the film which it suited most perfectly and astutely. Films are made in the real world, not from the laptop perspective of picky fans in their poster-covered bedrooms. There is always a context to creative decisions such as title song performers. And those decisions are based on a myriad of factors such as studio partnerships, contractual obligations, shared distributors, shared agents, shared interests, old allies and available recording facilities in the small window a song like this no doubt has.

As I have said for ages now...EON ARE NOT STUPID! THEY KNOW THEIR PRODUCT. This song has been penned by by Jack White. He has had involvement in cinema - including acting in good films (eg. COLD MOUNTAIN). This tune (which makes up only 2 and a half minutes of the film's running time) is Eon's final global calling card for a picture that doesn't have to "live up" to CASINO ROYALE (a benchmark set by the fans). It has to be a bloody good film full stop. This song will match that - despite the moaners who lament some very dead era of Bond film making that died in 1977.

Agreed and agreed. As I mentioned in a earlier post every dribble of armchair criticism is coming from people who think they know the product better than the actual producers. So what if you've watched the character for 40 years, bought all the videos/dvds/posters/merchandising etc? How exactly does that make your opinions fact?

Jack White is safe? Compared to Duran Duran and A-ha who everyone on the planet was familiar with back in the days they were chosen? Boring, really? Compared to middle of the road, past their prime performers (who were once genuinely great) like Gladys Knight and Tina Turner?

Some of the comments here (like the absurd CraignotBond campaign) if released to the international press would make all of us look like fools and prove further that irrespective of the actual results no creative team in film, television etc should ever bother listening to their fandom who either want things the way they were years ago or give suggestions which prove that fans without experience in media or moviemaking should never be given the keys to the things they love, cos with all due respect it will be complete crap.

[marktmurphy]

But this is a very interesting combo, no? I think one of the two artists’ sounds is probably going to get lost in the mix, however. I don’t think there is a way to successfully create a Bond theme that incorporates both the White Stripes’ gloriously obnoxious garage rock with Keys’ bassy, jazzy timbre. One, if not both of them, is going to have to take a backseat. I’m not sure which I’d prefer, Keys’ singing over a Stripes jam, or White’s cackling over a Keys-style groove. Frankly, both possibilities have my interest piqued. Could be quite a ride.

Well, there's a lot more to White than the White Stripes. The Raconteurs have a completely different sound, plus he's forever teaming up with other people- I've got a great country album he did with Loretta Lynn. Plus he even popped up with the Stones in that Scorcese film that came out a little while ago; it's hard to guess where he'll go with it.

[Zorin Industries]

Oh, another act of shabby and misguided betrayal of webforum usernames by those hopelessly unsuccessful billionaires.

Anonymous typing on some bit of the internet will always be right. That's the law, that is.

Grr! Why won't they listen? I can understand why they won't read - if I were them, I wouldn't read this place either - but they owe me they owe me they owe me and I HAVE MADE THEM THEY CANNOT BETRAY ME THEY WILL FEEL MY WRATH.

They're power crazed! (NB obviously this post is a joke, otherwise I would have written in the house style of "Their power crazed")

The song is about them! A man and a woman! What next - Mickey sings the male bit and Babs sings the feamle bit (or the other way arounD????!!!???!! ROTFLMAOAOAOAOAOAO)

It's easy to mock your fellow CBner's, Jim, but you must admit that Eon could of chosen someone a bit more original than Alice Keys and David Arnold. Yawn.

Eon Productions DID choose someone a bit more original than Alicia Keys and David Arnold - his name is Jack White - who, right now, is one of the real music industries darlings and main exponents of decent work. I have non-Bond fan friends in the music industry and they are most surprised and pleasantly intrigued by White's involvement.

Once again, folk on these forums damn something before they've even thought it through or (better still) waited to see the song in its context : i.e. the main title sequence. There is no point damning the song until the titles roll. Hearing it before is no real barometer either as I had mixed reactions to YOU KNOW MY NAME until I saw it in the film which it suited most perfectly and astutely. Films are made in the real world, not from the laptop perspective of picky fans in their poster-covered bedrooms. There is always a context to creative decisions such as title song performers. And those decisions are based on a myriad of factors such as studio partnerships, contractual obligations, shared distributors, shared agents, shared interests, old allies and available recording facilities in the small window a song like this no doubt has.

As I have said for ages now...EON ARE NOT STUPID! THEY KNOW THEIR PRODUCT. This song has been penned by by Jack White. He has had involvement in cinema - including acting in good films (eg. COLD MOUNTAIN). This tune (which makes up only 2 and a half minutes of the film's running time) is Eon's final global calling card for a picture that doesn't have to "live up" to CASINO ROYALE (a benchmark set by the fans). It has to be a bloody good film full stop. This song will match that - despite the moaners who lament some very dead era of Bond film making that died in 1977.

Agreed and agreed. As I mentioned in a earlier post every dribble of armchair criticism is coming from people who think they know the product better than the actual producers. So what if you've watched the character for 40 years, bought all the videos/dvds/posters/merchandising etc? How exactly does that make your opinions fact?

Jack White is safe? Compared to Duran Duran and A-ha who everyone on the planet was familiar with back in the days they were chosen? Boring, really? Compared to middle of the road, past their prime performers (who were once genuinely great) like Gladys Knight and Tina Turner?

Some of the comments here (like the absurd CraignotBond campaign) if released to the international press would make all of us look like fools and prove further that irrespective of the actual results no creative team in film, television etc should ever bother listening to their fandom who either want things the way they were years ago or give suggestions which prove that fans without experience in media or moviemaking should never be given the keys to the things they love, cos with all due respect it will be complete crap.

Agreed and agreed back at you Baerrtt.

It's a bit like people who get really bothered by collecting autographs. Having a signature is always a bit of fun, but it doesn't place you any nearer the film making process. It just makes you a consumer of someone else's product - in fact a consumer of a product's by-product. Granted, it's a brilliant product that dictates all our enthusiams but since when did Bond fandom get reduced to slating everything Eon Productions do and announce as if they haven't made a 007 film break even yet.

[Mercator]

But we buy the tickets. They must read the forums. They should the listen us, no?

[Zorin Industries]

STOP PRESS!!

A bootleg copy of the most striking duet ever has been posted on YouTube....

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

[Mercator]

STOP PRESS!!

A bootleg copy of the most striking duet ever has been posted on YouTube....

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

NO! It ken not be this! When was leaked?

[Righty007]

STOP PRESS!!

A bootleg copy of the most striking duet ever has been posted on YouTube....

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

NO! It ken not be this! When was leaked?

[ImTheMoneypenny]

STOP PRESS!!

A bootleg copy of the most striking duet ever has been posted on YouTube....

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Thanks for the laugh Zorin! I think we all needed it.

[baerrtt]

Oh, another act of shabby and misguided betrayal of webforum usernames by those hopelessly unsuccessful billionaires.

Anonymous typing on some bit of the internet will always be right. That's the law, that is.

Grr! Why won't they listen? I can understand why they won't read - if I were them, I wouldn't read this place either - but they owe me they owe me they owe me and I HAVE MADE THEM THEY CANNOT BETRAY ME THEY WILL FEEL MY WRATH.

They're power crazed! (NB obviously this post is a joke, otherwise I would have written in the house style of "Their power crazed")

The song is about them! A man and a woman! What next - Mickey sings the male bit and Babs sings the feamle bit (or the other way arounD????!!!???!! ROTFLMAOAOAOAOAOAO)

It's easy to mock your fellow CBner's, Jim, but you must admit that Eon could of chosen someone a bit more original than Alice Keys and David Arnold. Yawn.

Eon Productions DID choose someone a bit more original than Alicia Keys and David Arnold - his name is Jack White - who, right now, is one of the real music industries darlings and main exponents of decent work. I have non-Bond fan friends in the music industry and they are most surprised and pleasantly intrigued by White's involvement.

Once again, folk on these forums damn something before they've even thought it through or (better still) waited to see the song in its context : i.e. the main title sequence. There is no point damning the song until the titles roll. Hearing it before is no real barometer either as I had mixed reactions to YOU KNOW MY NAME until I saw it in the film which it suited most perfectly and astutely. Films are made in the real world, not from the laptop perspective of picky fans in their poster-covered bedrooms. There is always a context to creative decisions such as title song performers. And those decisions are based on a myriad of factors such as studio partnerships, contractual obligations, shared distributors, shared agents, shared interests, old allies and available recording facilities in the small window a song like this no doubt has.

As I have said for ages now...EON ARE NOT STUPID! THEY KNOW THEIR PRODUCT. This song has been penned by by Jack White. He has had involvement in cinema - including acting in good films (eg. COLD MOUNTAIN). This tune (which makes up only 2 and a half minutes of the film's running time) is Eon's final global calling card for a picture that doesn't have to "live up" to CASINO ROYALE (a benchmark set by the fans). It has to be a bloody good film full stop. This song will match that - despite the moaners who lament some very dead era of Bond film making that died in 1977.

Agreed and agreed. As I mentioned in a earlier post every dribble of armchair criticism is coming from people who think they know the product better than the actual producers. So what if you've watched the character for 40 years, bought all the videos/dvds/posters/merchandising etc? How exactly does that make your opinions fact?

Jack White is safe? Compared to Duran Duran and A-ha who everyone on the planet was familiar with back in the days they were chosen? Boring, really? Compared to middle of the road, past their prime performers (who were once genuinely great) like Gladys Knight and Tina Turner?

Some of the comments here (like the absurd CraignotBond campaign) if released to the international press would make all of us look like fools and prove further that irrespective of the actual results no creative team in film, television etc should ever bother listening to their fandom who either want things the way they were years ago or give suggestions which prove that fans without experience in media or moviemaking should never be given the keys to the things they love, cos with all due respect it will be complete crap.

Agreed and agreed back at you Baerrtt.

It's a bit like people who get really bothered by collecting autographs. Having a signature is always a bit of fun, but it doesn't place you any nearer the film making process. It just makes you a consumer of someone else's product - in fact a consumer of a product's by-product. Granted, it's a brilliant product that dictates all our enthusiams but since when did Bond fandom get reduced to slating everything Eon Productions do and announce as if they haven't made a 007 film break even yet.

They'll use the excuses, without any irony, of the Brosnan films (a complete artistic failure in their eyes despite the huge commercial success of that era) and the Moore era(ditto) that 'they know better' and they're collective sighing at this 'bad news' are just ways of actually letting EON know that they care and don't want the franchise to go back to the 'bad old days'

A side of fandom that when you break it down musn't actually like a huge chunk of what they profess to love. A fandom who throw words like gritty and daring (in this fandom's case mentioning Fleming who was anything but at the best of times) in relation to storyline, music etc not knowing how useless those words and wants are in the context of a franchise which has never been solely for them from day ONE.

I don't love everything about every Bond film (I don't like some Bond films period) just like I don't care for all of Fleming's Bond novels for example. But with no writing experience, say, I've never or will profess to know more about the art of writing because his particular style, storylines aren't to my taste. And with no actual experience in the business I sure as hell won't profess to know more about moviemaking than a 40 year plus strong production team whether or not I liked what they've given me.

Especially when, in this case, I haven't seen/heard the bloody thing yet before I judge.

Edited by baerrtt, 30 July 2008 - 02:56 PM.

[Judo chop]

But this is a very interesting combo, no? I think one of the two artists’ sounds is probably going to get lost in the mix, however. I don’t think there is a way to successfully create a Bond theme that incorporates both the White Stripes’ gloriously obnoxious garage rock with Keys’ bassy, jazzy timbre. One, if not both of them, is going to have to take a backseat. I’m not sure which I’d prefer, Keys’ singing over a Stripes jam, or White’s cackling over a Keys-style groove. Frankly, both possibilities have my interest piqued. Could be quite a ride.

Well, there's a lot more to White than the White Stripes. The Raconteurs have a completely different sound, plus he's forever teaming up with other people- I've got a great country album he did with Loretta Lynn. Plus he even popped up with the Stones in that Scorcese film that came out a little while ago; it's hard to guess where he'll go with it.

Yeah, I’ve actually heard the Loretta album. In some sense that might be a valuable insight into what we could expect to hear in the Bond theme. Obviously it’s not about to be a country piece, but in that album White plays mostly a director’s role, and wasn’t too involved with the performance of the music except to appear as a – guess what? – background/dual vocalist. The album is undoubtedly Loretta’s sound, guided or colored by White. Perhaps we’re headed for the same type of thing with Keys and, of course, Arnold. (I hope this isn’t going to be a case of too many cooks in the kitchen.)

I have only a marginal knowledge of the Stripes’ music, but based on what I’ve heard and your opinions, it sounds like this guy White is a bit of what Devin Townsend is to the ‘metal’ genre; energetic, enthusiastic, ultra-creative and fearless with his projects. I guess what that amounts to is that we can have almost no idea of what to expect from this concoction.

Good. But let the speculation commence nonetheless!

[dee-bee-five]

I'm failing to see how you can call yourselves Bond fans when you condemn every decision that gets made.

More than 40 years of watching and loving the character give me the right to call myself a Bond fan. But that doesn't forfeit my right to comment on Eon's decision. And, to my mind, this announcement is just boring. The song could well turn out to be splendid for all I know - although with Ms. Keys' involvement, my expecations aren't exactly high - and, at the end of the day, it is just a song. After all, the weedy a-ha and John Barry combination didn't exactly hurt TLD. But I just find this decision smacks of playing safe and it troubles me after the glorious triumph of Casino Royale.

What's safe about Jack White? I don't get it. He's hardly Sting or Michael bleedin' Buble.

I didn't say Jack White is safe. My point is that pairing up Alicia Keys with Jack White is the very definition of decision-by-committee by people who think they're being edgy. But to me, it still smacks of expediency, corporate or otherwise. I may be wrong, of course. Their duet might fill me with delight (and in the case of Ms. Keys, that would be a welcome first). I promise I'll say so if it does.

[Harmsway]

The album is undoubtedly Loretta’s sound, guided or colored by White. Perhaps we’re headed for the same type of thing with Keys and, of course, Arnold. (I hope this isn’t going to be a case of too many cooks in the kitchen.)

I thought Arnold wasn't going to be involved?

[Judo chop]

The album is undoubtedly Loretta’s sound, guided or colored by White. Perhaps we’re headed for the same type of thing with Keys and, of course, Arnold. (I hope this isn’t going to be a case of too many cooks in the kitchen.)

I thought Arnold wasn't going to be involved?

I plead ignorance. I only assumed...

Not true?

[Skudor]

Not mentioned so far and assumed absent.

I wonder when the song was recorded. Two weeks ago or two months ago?

[dee-bee-five]

Oh, another act of shabby and misguided betrayal of webforum usernames by those hopelessly unsuccessful billionaires.

Anonymous typing on some bit of the internet will always be right. That's the law, that is.

Grr! Why won't they listen? I can understand why they won't read - if I were them, I wouldn't read this place either - but they owe me they owe me they owe me and I HAVE MADE THEM THEY CANNOT BETRAY ME THEY WILL FEEL MY WRATH.

They're power crazed! (NB obviously this post is a joke, otherwise I would have written in the house style of "Their power crazed")

The song is about them! A man and a woman! What next - Mickey sings the male bit and Babs sings the feamle bit (or the other way arounD????!!!???!! ROTFLMAOAOAOAOAOAO)

It's easy to mock your fellow CBner's, Jim, but you must admit that Eon could of chosen someone a bit more original than Alice Keys and David Arnold. Yawn.

Eon Productions DID choose someone a bit more original than Alicia Keys and David Arnold - his name is Jack White - who, right now, is one of the real music industries darlings and main exponents of decent work. I have non-Bond fan friends in the music industry and they are most surprised and pleasantly intrigued by White's involvement.

Once again, folk on these forums damn something before they've even thought it through or (better still) waited to see the song in its context : i.e. the main title sequence. There is no point damning the song until the titles roll. Hearing it before is no real barometer either as I had mixed reactions to YOU KNOW MY NAME until I saw it in the film which it suited most perfectly and astutely. Films are made in the real world, not from the laptop perspective of picky fans in their poster-covered bedrooms. There is always a context to creative decisions such as title song performers. And those decisions are based on a myriad of factors such as studio partnerships, contractual obligations, shared distributors, shared agents, shared interests, old allies and available recording facilities in the small window a song like this no doubt has.

As I have said for ages now...EON ARE NOT STUPID! THEY KNOW THEIR PRODUCT. This song has been penned by by Jack White. He has had involvement in cinema - including acting in good films (eg. COLD MOUNTAIN). This tune (which makes up only 2 and a half minutes of the film's running time) is Eon's final global calling card for a picture that doesn't have to "live up" to CASINO ROYALE (a benchmark set by the fans). It has to be a bloody good film full stop. This song will match that - despite the moaners who lament some very dead era of Bond film making that died in 1977.

Agreed and agreed. As I mentioned in a earlier post every dribble of armchair criticism is coming from people who think they know the product better than the actual producers. So what if you've watched the character for 40 years, bought all the videos/dvds/posters/merchandising etc? How exactly does that make your opinions fact?

No-one is claiming that it does; it is surely a given that all views on here are absolutely subjective. But if you care to look up the definition of "forum" you'll see that it is "a medium for open discussion". That means we are all entitled to our opinions here and so if some of us (a minority, possibly) have the temerity to express disappointment at this news - or any other aspect of the fanchise - we should be given a fair hearing instead of being shot down in flames.

[[dark]]

Did I read somewhere that Arnold said he was beginning work on Quantum of Solace's score earlier than normal?

In which case, it would be more unlikely (though not impossible) that "Another Way To Die" will not be woven throughout Arnold's soundtrack.

[dee-bee-five]

IMO it is easy to mock the whinging of a fandom who believe they know what's better for the franchise than the production team. Opinions are fine, gloomy predictions from people who have no actual creative/business experience just looks silly.

As does slavishly accepting every decision Eon makes without criticism (those who do, by the way, not you specifically). And it would be quite wrong to assume that everyone who posts on here has no creative experience in the film or TV industry, believe me.

[Zorin Industries]

IMO it is easy to mock the whinging of a fandom who believe they know what's better for the franchise than the production team. Opinions are fine, gloomy predictions from people who have no actual creative/business experience just looks silly.

As does slavishly accepting every decision Eon makes without criticism (those who do, by the way, not you specifically). And it would be quite wrong to assume that everyone who posts on here has no creative experience in the industry, believe me.

You are both agreeing with each other, my friends. I think...

[baerrtt]

IMO it is easy to mock the whinging of a fandom who believe they know what's better for the franchise than the production team. Opinions are fine, gloomy predictions from people who have no actual creative/business experience just looks silly.

As does slavishly accepting every decision Eon makes without criticism (those who do, by the way, not you specifically). And it would be quite wrong to assume that everyone who posts on here has no creative experience in the industry, believe me.

I don't believe everyone on here likes every decision EON makes or has made. It's just that there is a predictable note of misery to these opinions (not your's but some of it gets very annoying). Knowing that the production team weren't given free rein under MGM for example has made me temper my previous criticisms of the Brosnan era. People already deciding the quality of the song before they've heard it simply because they don't like the artist and passing that off as EON 'failing' them, I'm sorry smacks of arrogance.

I was actually going to ask if you are in the industry (Zorin is and I work for Granada Television in the UK)? Don't get me wrong not because your opinion caused me to come out of my cage (I have a week off can't you tell ) but some of the stuff written on here smacks of people damning the thing before it's made.

[dee-bee-five]

IMO it is easy to mock the whinging of a fandom who believe they know what's better for the franchise than the production team. Opinions are fine, gloomy predictions from people who have no actual creative/business experience just looks silly.

As does slavishly accepting every decision Eon makes without criticism (those who do, by the way, not you specifically). And it would be quite wrong to assume that everyone who posts on here has no creative experience in the industry, believe me.

You are both agreeing with each other, my friends. I think...

Possibly. But we are having re-run of the debate following the teaser trailer on this thread. I expressed the opinion that it was good, but not earth-shattering and was accused of being negative. But, the truth is, I did find the teaser a little underwhelming, just as I find the news about the title song disappointing. If others are cock-a-hoop about it, fine. But why aren't others allowed to express what they feel on here anymore? Is it because, as I suspect, there's a tiny bit of unspoken nervousness amongst fans that QoS might possibly not quite live up to the absurdly high expectations we're all placing on it and so anyone who doesn't go into paroxysms of ecstacy about every scrap of news we get must be dumped on from a great height lest the conspiracy of silence about said nervousness is laid bare?